History YMMV / PokemonDiamondAndPearl

* BaseBreaker: Barry is either {{Adorkable}} and a worthy rival or annoying and not as {{Badass}} as [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Blue]] and [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Silver]].

** In some areas of the internet, especially in Japan, many people have joked that Flint is actually [[McDonalds Ronald McDonald]].

** In some areas of the internet, especially in Japan, many people have joked that Flint is actually Ronald McDonald.

** Most of the brand new Pokemon in this generation had good movepools, but mediocre to bad stats, with exceptions like the starters, [[GameBreaker Garchomp]], [[EnsembleDarkhorse Lucario]] and [[MagikarpPower Staraptor]] (among a few others) notwithstanding. It seems that [[PokemonGoldAndSilver even-numbered]] Generations of Pokemon tend to have Pokemon with this problem, while [[PokemonRedAndBlue odd]]-[[PokemonRubyAndSapphire numbered]] [[PokemonBlackAndWhite Generations]] have Pokemon with strong stats but shallow movepools.
** Electivire might be one of the biggest example of this and HypeBacklash. Good Super Effective coverage, and pretty decent stats combined with its decent synergy with Gyarados. Sadly, the fact that its starting speed are pretty low for a sweeper of its kind(to clarify, Electivire is not a set up sweeper. A set up sweeper such as Gyarados and Lucario has a set up moves that gave them insane power and a way to bypass their low speed), and Motor Drive doesnt always guaranteed to activate, and the fact that its movepools doesnt include high powered STAB physical move means it wont do much damage without insane amount of efforts. Even during generation 5, Electivire is still a commonly bashed pokemon.

** Kind of a BaseBreaker. On one hand, some good flying pokemon are hindered by this, most notable being Yanmega(who is BL) and Moltres(nearly BL). On the other hand, the fact that Flying types includes dangerous and threatening sweepers such as Gyarados, Salamence, and Dragonite(Gyarados being the "standard" when it comes to "which pokemon is popular/a real huge threat in the metagame", Salamence being considered a really dangerous sweeper that can also be used as a nasty wallbreaker that eventualy get banned, and Dragonite being pretty threatening and does some nasty shit after Salamence Ban) means the existence of Stealth Rock really helped when dealing against said group of Flying types.

** Unfortunately they didn't learn and in {{Pokemon Heartgold and Soulsilver}} you have to play a flip card game which has too much {{Random Number God}} for people to actually get stuff quickly and you can't just buy coins anymore. At least its an actual game, right?

* [[JustHereForGodzilla Just Here For The Legendaries]]: The Legendaries of this generation, particularly the Dragon Trio and [[EvilIsCool Dark]][[DarkIsNotEvil rai]], are well-loved by the fanbase. However, most of the new non-Legendary Pokemon suffered from over-complicated designs and poor stats.

* AndTheFandomRejoiced: aside from what makes the games divisive (although not even nearly as much as ''PokemonRubyAndSapphire'' four years before), most of their flaws are foiled by the introduction of online play, an element first implemented with the Sinnoh-based games. Although online battles weren't implemented in the desired "versus anyone" way until ''PokemonBlackAndWhite'' (aside from ''[[PokemonStadium Battle Revolution]]''), the addition of online trades made up for it.

* GeniusBonus: Empoleon is the same height as Napoleon Bonaparte (Care to guess what Empoleon's name was based off of?).
** In Japan, Empoleon is known as "Emperte", so the theme is the same, except just using Bonaparte's ''last'' name instead.
* HypeBacklash : Electivire, in the metagame. So much.

* AndTheFandomRejoiced: aside from what makes the games divisive (although not even nearly as much as ''PokemonRubyAndSapphire'' four years before), most of their flaws are foiled by the introduction of online play, an element first implemented with the Sinnoh-based games. Although online battles weren't implemented in the desired "versus anyone" way until ''PokemonBlackAndWhite'', the addition of online trades made up for it.

* CrowningMomentOfFunny: "Ensure the bed is unoccupied before getting into it." And you can find a Pokédoll in one of the beds.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Cyrus and Cynthia's battle themes. Also the Game corner music and the Battle Arcade music. And, as usual, the Legendary Pokémon battle themes, but ''especially'' Giratina's Platinum music.

* {{Hotter and Sexier}}: its implied the humans in {{Pokemon}} might be mons themselves and there was some degree of romance between humans and Pokemon in the past. The Canalave City Library has a book that says humans and Pokemon used to live under the same roof. Considering people and Pokemon still do live under the same roof it has some implications

* ThatOneBoss: Cyrus. Lucian (though not in Platinum).
** [[ThatOneBoss That One Miniboss]]: the unavoidable double battle near Veilstone City. They don't look like anything interesting from faraway -- just a Cool Trainer duo -- and people approach them like regular trainers, with switch-grinding and everything. And are murdered. Brutally. Good luck, especially if it's a Nuzlocke.
** Champion Cynthia's Garchomp is a ''far'' straighter example of ThatOneBoss, as well as Cyrus's Weavile.
** Fantina, especially in Platinum where she's the third Gym Leader-- fully-evolved Mismagius included.
* TheComputerIsACheatingBastard: Commander Mars's impossible-at-that-level Purugly comes to mind. Also, is it just me or does Roark's Cranidos only ever use Pursuit if you're switching something out that turn?

** JerkassWoobie: Volkner.
** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Definitely Cyrus.

* ScrappyMechanic: Stealth Rock. Holy shit. While entry hazards are essential to prevent the game from turning into a switchfest, there were two mistakes in Stealth Rock: making it a TM which everyone and their mother can learn (thankfully fixed in BW), and making it Rock-type. Rock type is pretty much the best offensive type in the game. Unlike Spikes or Toxic Spikes, nothing is immune to it, so the only way to get rid of it is the still rare, still weak, and still useless against Ghosts Rapid Spin. More than that, Flying types with their famous immunity to Spikes are weak to SR, meaning each time they enter the battlefield, they are hit for a quarter their health, along with anything Fire, Ice, or Bug. Any combination of two of those four types are hit for ''half''. It defined the metagame so much, Pokemon analyses often go "Yadda yadda, good stats, diverse movepool, lots of resistances, all-around a solid Pokemon - no, wait. It's weak to Stealth Rock. Nope, don't bother with this useless piece of shit."

** ''Not'' helped ''at all'' by the fact that it became available at the Celadon Department Store in [=HGSS=], so it became ''extremely'' easy to dish out onto all of those Pokémon that can learn it. That fix in Black and White wasn't necessarily limiting who could learn it, but rather ''removing it as a TM''.

** Moreso in "Platinum" than in "Diamond" or "Pearl", where he makes the ''stupid'' mistake of letting you free the Lake Trio, who then proceed to destroy his plans as a result. In "Platinum", he's [[CrazyPrepared prepared for this]], making ''two'' Red Chains instead of one so that he can bind both Dialga ''and'' Palkia, whose combined power blocks out the Lake Trio when they try to save the day.

** Most of the brand new Pokemon in this generation had good movepools, but mediocre to bad stats, with exceptions like the starters, [[GameBreaker Garchomp]], [[EnsembleDarkhorse Lucario]] and [[MagikarpPower Staraptor]] (among a few others) notwithstanding. It seems that [[PokemonGoldAndSilver even-numbered]] Generations of Pokemon tend to have Pokemon with this problem, while [[PokemonRedAndBlue odd]]-[[PokemonRubyAndSappgire numbered]] [[PokemonBlackAndWhite Generations]] have Pokemon with strong stats but shallow movepools.

** [[ThatOneBoss That One Miniboss]]: the unavoidable double battle near Veilstone City. They don't look like anything interesting from faraway -- just a Cool Trainer duo -- and people approach them like regular trainers, with switchgrinding and everything. And are murdered. Brutally. Good luck, especially if it's a Nuzlocke.

* BreatherBoss: Candice, Volkner and Aaron.

* CompleteMonster: Cyrus certainly meets some of the qualifications (horrific actions, lack of remorse) but whether or not he meets them all is debatable. For [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation some]] [[YourMileageMayVary fans]], he's just plain iredeemable.

* [[JustHereForGodzilla Just Here For The Legendaries]]

* CrowningMomentOfFunny: "Ensure the bed is unoccupied before getting into it."

* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Cyrus and Cynthia's battle themes. Also the Game corner music and the Battle Arcade music.

* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: In Platinum when Giratina screeches and launches itself at the screen. Especially scary if you read a lot of Pokemon creepypasta, in which loud screeches and the screen being covered in darkness is a common theme.

* LesYay: Candice and Maylene, especially in Platinum. According to some people, Female PC/Cynthia. And Mars/Jupiter has a hint of Hate Ship to it.
** The HoYay counterpart is present too in Volkner/Flint and Male!PC/Rival.

* JerkassWoobie: Volkner.