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* SequelDisplacement: An attempt at this trope that was ultimately, and notably, {{averted|trope}}. ''Black'' and ''White'' served as a "soft reboot" of the franchise and attempted to introduce a brand-new Pokédex as a new baseline of sorts. Many fans went along with this idea and believed that the next generation would consist of sequels a la ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver'' that would build upon the Unova Dex and take place in an adjacent region[[note]]a concept executed in part in ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2''[[/note]], but [[ToughActToFollow the new Pokémon's failure to overshadow their predecessors]], along with the very pronounced BrokenBase over their designs, ultimately relegated Unova to "just another region that isn't [[FirstInstallmentWins Kanto]]" in future marketing and merchandise. Despite this, it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that the creators are still fond of Generation V, as its characters and Pokémon are some of the most prominent in ''VideoGame/PokemonMasters'' and they also have a very large presence in ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'', outnumbering the returning Kanto Pokémon and having new Galarian forms and evolutions.

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* SequelDisplacement: An attempt at this trope that was ultimately, and notably, {{averted|trope}}. ''Black'' and ''White'' served as a "soft reboot" of the franchise and attempted to introduce a brand-new Pokédex as a new baseline of sorts. Many fans went along with this idea and believed that the next generation would consist of sequels a la ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver'' that would build upon the Unova Dex and take place in an adjacent region[[note]]a concept executed in part in ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2''[[/note]], but [[ToughActToFollow the new Pokémon's failure to overshadow their predecessors]], along with the very pronounced BrokenBase over their designs, ultimately relegated Unova to "just another region that isn't [[FirstInstallmentWins Kanto]]" in future marketing and merchandise. Despite this, it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that the creators are still fond of Generation V, as its characters and Pokémon are some of the most prominent in ''VideoGame/PokemonMasters'' and they also have a very large presence in ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'', outnumbering the returning Kanto Pokémon and having new Galarian forms and evolutions.evolutions, and also having Reshiram, Zekrom and other legendaries coded into the game alongside the starters and legendaries from Kanto[[note]]the most iconic generation[[/note]] and Alola[[note]]the generation immediately preceding[[/note]].


** Emboar remains one of the most disliked starters in the series, even well into Gen VII, and is often used as a punchline for Fire-type starters from later generations evolving into Fire/Fighting types. Some people argue that Emboar's typing is so blatantly lazy that it ruined the reputations of the Unova starters, or even the Unova Pokédex, as a whole. ''Webcomic/AwkwardZombie'' [[http://awkwardzombie.com/index.php?page=0&comic=032111 had a field day with that.]] Despite this, Emboar has its defenders, especially after two generations of ''not'' reusing its Fire/Fighting typing. Some people like its rugged design, and thanks to its Hidden Ability, it's generally regarded as SoOkayItsAverage in competitive play and better than many other starters.

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** Emboar remains one of the most disliked starters in the series, even well into Gen VII, and is often used as a punchline for Fire-type starters from later generations evolving into Fire/Fighting types. Some people argue that Emboar's typing is so blatantly lazy that it ruined the reputations of the Unova starters, or even the Unova Pokédex, as a whole. ''Webcomic/AwkwardZombie'' [[http://awkwardzombie.com/index.php?page=0&comic=032111 had a field day with that.]] Despite this, Emboar has its defenders, especially after two multiple generations of ''not'' reusing its Fire/Fighting typing. Some people like its rugged design, and thanks to its Hidden Ability, it's generally regarded as SoOkayItsAverage in competitive play and better than many other starters.



* PopularityPolynomial: When ''Black'' and ''White'' were first released, they were extremely popular and beloved by the fandom, but also infamously drew vocal hate from "[[FirstInstallmentWins genwunners]]" for being such a departure for the series, particularly with the Unova Dex. Game Freak [[AuthorsSavingThrow attempted to rectify this]] with ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' and its heavy emphasis on Gen I nostalgia, and ''Black'' and ''White'' quickly fell out of favor come the next generation. However, as the "honeymoon period" ended and more 3DS entries were released that retained some major flaws of ''X'' and ''Y''[[note]]namely lackluster difficulty and increasingly shallow postgames[[/note]], some people began to come around to ''Black'' and ''White'' again, if not universally so.[[note]]The games are still contested for various reasons; for example, the Unova Dex.[[/note]] Many fans are thankful that the games have some of the best plots and characterisations of the series, and the great amount of post-game content for a generation's maiden pair of games.

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* PopularityPolynomial: When ''Black'' and ''White'' were first released, they were extremely popular and beloved by the fandom, but also infamously drew vocal hate from "[[FirstInstallmentWins genwunners]]" for being such a departure for the series, particularly with the Unova Dex. Game Freak [[AuthorsSavingThrow attempted to rectify this]] with ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' and its heavy emphasis on Gen I nostalgia, and ''Black'' and ''White'' quickly fell out of favor come the next generation. However, as the "honeymoon period" ended and more 3DS entries were released that retained some major flaws of ''X'' and ''Y''[[note]]namely lackluster difficulty and increasingly shallow postgames[[/note]], some people began to come around to ''Black'' and ''White'' again, if not universally so.[[note]]The games are still contested for various reasons; for example, the Unova Dex.[[/note]] Many fans are thankful that the games have some of the best plots and characterisations of the series, and the great amount of post-game content for a generation's maiden pair of games.games, and as succeeding generations began to remove more and more features, fans began to appreciate this generation as one of the possibly final attempts to go all-out and create the "ultimate" Pokémon game for the PeripheryDemographic.



** These games, along with their immediate predecessors ''[=HeartGold=]'' and ''[=SoulSilver=]'', were largely responsible for rekindling interest in the ''Pokémon'' franchise at the time, and were potentially considered the best games in the series overall. Several years later, they've largely fallen by the wayside ([[PopularityPolynomial though admittedly not quite so badly]]); the Unova Pokémon are no longer as loved and hyped as they once were and didn't get a playable character in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' to ensure their longevity, while later main games and ''VideoGame/PokemonGo'' were able to WinBackTheCrowd on an even larger scale. The sequels ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' are still very popular with the core fandom, with their inclusion of older Pokémon and more expansive post-game being major advantages over their predecessors, but one would be hard-pressed to find fans as fond of the original ''Black'' and ''White'' now as they were in 2010-2011. Of note is the fact that, unlike with most other games from Generations IV and V (even their own sequels)[[note]]except for ''Pokémon Diamond'' and ''Pokémon Pearl''[[/note]], ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' have not become more expensive and sought-after on the secondary market.
** A major driving force behind ''Black'' and ''White'' hype was that they strived to be [[DarkerAndEdgier "darker" and more "mature" games]] that were more inclusive of the PeripheryDemographic, during a time where ''Pokémon'' was largely seen as a "kiddy" franchise that was embarrassing for adults and teenagers to like. Since then, the franchise has become far more inclusive of teen and adult fans in the content of the games and other media[[note]]and arguably more effectively as well, given how successful ''VideoGame/PokemonGo'' was with that demographic[[/note]], as well as marketing, thus making this aspect of ''BW'' no longer seem groundbreaking.

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** These games, along with their immediate predecessors ''[=HeartGold=]'' and ''[=SoulSilver=]'', were largely responsible for rekindling interest in the ''Pokémon'' franchise at the time, and were potentially considered the best games in the series overall. Several years later, they've largely fallen by the wayside ([[PopularityPolynomial though admittedly not quite so badly]]); the Unova Pokémon are no longer as loved and hyped as they once were and didn't get a playable character in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' to ensure their longevity, while later main games and ''VideoGame/PokemonGo'' were able to WinBackTheCrowd on an even larger scale. The sequels ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' are still very popular with the core fandom, with their inclusion of older Pokémon and more expansive post-game being major advantages over their predecessors, but aside from dedicated hardcore Pokémon communities, one would be hard-pressed to find fans as fond of the original ''Black'' and ''White'' now as they were in 2010-2011. Of note is the fact that, unlike with most other games from Generations IV and V (even their own sequels)[[note]]except for ''Pokémon Diamond'' and ''Pokémon Pearl''[[/note]], ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' have not become more expensive and sought-after on the secondary market.2010-2011.
** A major driving force behind ''Black'' and ''White'' hype was that they strived to be [[DarkerAndEdgier "darker" and more "mature" games]] that were more inclusive of the PeripheryDemographic, during a time where ''Pokémon'' was largely seen as a "kiddy" franchise that was embarrassing for adults and teenagers to like. Since then, the franchise has become far more inclusive of teen and adult fans in the content of the games and other media[[note]]and arguably more effectively as well, given how successful ''VideoGame/PokemonGo'' was with that demographic[[/note]], as well as marketing, thus making this aspect of ''BW'' no longer seem groundbreaking.



** The girl trainer (canonically, Hilda) is estimated by most fans to be around 14-15, and has a cute and tomboyish but overall modest design. However, the very fact that she was part of the first pair of "older" player characters in the series, along with her TomboyishPonytail and [[WhoWearsShortShorts short shorts]], has caused a lot of fans to sexualize her in fan art, often emphasizing and increasing the size of her chest and/or butt to make her look 2-3 years older. This is ''despite'' the fact that she's widely accepted to be underage, and is still very young and small compared to the series' adult characters.

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** The girl trainer (canonically, Hilda) is estimated by most fans established to be around 14-15, 14 years old, and has a cute and tomboyish but overall modest design. However, the very fact that she was part of the first pair of "older" player characters in the series, along with her TomboyishPonytail and [[WhoWearsShortShorts short shorts]], has caused a lot of fans to sexualize her in fan art, often emphasizing and increasing the size of her chest and/or butt to make her look 2-3 years older. This is ''despite'' the fact that she's widely accepted to be underage, and is still very young and small compared to the series' adult characters.characters; to be fair, she ''is'' a mute BlankSlate that represents the player. She is also commonly depicted as a tall girl in fanart, while ''VideoGame/PokemonMasters'' shows her to be almost comically shorter than her successor Rosa.



* SequelDisplacement: An attempt at this trope that was ultimately, and notably, {{averted|trope}}. ''Black'' and ''White'' served as a "soft reboot" of the franchise and attempted to introduce a brand-new Pokédex as a new baseline of sorts. Many fans went along with this idea and believed that the next generation would consist of sequels a la ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver'' that would build upon the Unova Dex and take place in an adjacent region[[note]]a concept executed in part in ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2''[[/note]], but [[ToughActToFollow the new Pokémon's failure to overshadow their predecessors]], along with the very pronounced BrokenBase over their designs, ultimately relegated Unova to "just another region that isn't [[FirstInstallmentWins Kanto]]" in future marketing and merchandise.

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* SequelDisplacement: An attempt at this trope that was ultimately, and notably, {{averted|trope}}. ''Black'' and ''White'' served as a "soft reboot" of the franchise and attempted to introduce a brand-new Pokédex as a new baseline of sorts. Many fans went along with this idea and believed that the next generation would consist of sequels a la ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver'' that would build upon the Unova Dex and take place in an adjacent region[[note]]a concept executed in part in ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2''[[/note]], but [[ToughActToFollow the new Pokémon's failure to overshadow their predecessors]], along with the very pronounced BrokenBase over their designs, ultimately relegated Unova to "just another region that isn't [[FirstInstallmentWins Kanto]]" in future marketing and merchandise. Despite this, it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that the creators are still fond of Generation V, as its characters and Pokémon are some of the most prominent in ''VideoGame/PokemonMasters'' and they also have a very large presence in ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'', outnumbering the returning Kanto Pokémon and having new Galarian forms and evolutions.



** This is generally seen as the reason why the game's brand-new Pokédex of new 150+ Pokémon didn't catch on with as many people as hoped. Some fans suspect that ''Black'' and ''White'' were an attempt at SequelDisplacement a la ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', and tried to be the biggest, best and freshest games at the time in order to become a new gold standard for the franchise - a sentiment echoed by Junichi Masuda's belief that the games were his "masterpiece". However, the ''Pokémon'' franchise had had its heyday with the "Pokémania" of ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'', and many first-generation creatures such as Pikachu and Charizard were not just popular video game monsters, but icons of pop culture. The Unova dex had an uphill battle ahead of it by attempting to displace the Pokémon that everyone knew and loved, and while the decision was praised by dedicated fans, it was lambasted by others and gave the games as a whole an unnecessarily "alien" feel that undermined their appeal. This was not helped by the fact that many of the individual Pokémon species also suffered from this trope compared to their older counterparts. Game Freak, to their credit, [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 got the memo.]] Despite this, it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that the creators are still fond of Generation V, as its characters and Pokémon are some of the most prominent in ''VideoGame/PokemonMasters'' and they also have a very large presence in ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'', outnumbering the returning Kanto Pokémon and having new Galarian forms and evolutions.

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** This is generally seen as the reason why the game's brand-new Pokédex of new 150+ Pokémon didn't catch on with as many people as hoped. Some fans suspect that ''Black'' and ''White'' were an attempt at SequelDisplacement a la ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', and tried to be the biggest, best and freshest games at the time in order to become a new gold standard for the franchise - a sentiment echoed by Junichi Masuda's belief that the games were his "masterpiece". However, the ''Pokémon'' franchise had had its heyday with the "Pokémania" of ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'', and many first-generation creatures such as Pikachu and Charizard were not just popular video game monsters, but icons of pop culture. The Unova dex had an uphill battle ahead of it by attempting to displace the Pokémon that everyone knew and loved, and while the decision was praised by dedicated fans, it was lambasted by others and gave the games as a whole an unnecessarily "alien" feel that undermined their appeal. This was not helped by the fact that many of the individual Pokémon species also suffered from this trope compared to their older counterparts. Game Freak, to their credit, [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 got the memo.]] Despite this, it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that the creators are still fond of Generation V, as its characters and Pokémon are some of the most prominent in ''VideoGame/PokemonMasters'' and they also have a very large presence in ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'', outnumbering the returning Kanto Pokémon and having new Galarian forms and evolutions.


** This also applies to [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Hydreigon]] as a species.
** N ([[AntiVillain kinda]]).
** Zekrom, too, but in [[DarkIsNotEvil appearance only]].
** Despite its later weakness to Fairies, Hydreigon is a well-liked pseudo-legendary for its cool design, Dark/Dragon typing, and vicious temperament, and being a perfect choice for Ghetsis' signature Pokémon. Many fans were miffed when it didn't get a Mega Evolution in Gen VI, largely due to its aforementioned weakness to Fairy-types and being [[CantCatchUp unable to catch up to]] Salamence and Garchomp.

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** This also applies to [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Hydreigon]] as a species.
** N ([[AntiVillain kinda]]).
** Zekrom, too, but in [[DarkIsNotEvil appearance only]].
** Despite its later weakness to Fairies, Hydreigon is a well-liked pseudo-legendary for its cool design, Dark/Dragon typing, and vicious temperament, and being a perfect choice for Ghetsis' signature Pokémon. Many fans were miffed when it didn't get a Mega Evolution in Gen VI, largely due to its aforementioned weakness to Fairy-types and being [[CantCatchUp unable to catch up to]] Salamence and Garchomp. Then ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'' threw it a bone by allowing it to learn Nasty Plot, and by getting rid of many of the Fairies that weren't weak to its Flash Cannon.



** Emboar is often considered a lackluster replacement for the Fire-type starters that came before it (Charizard, Typhlosion, Blaziken, and Infernape), mostly due to its uninspired Fire/Fighting typing, poor competitive worth, and overly brutish design. The next Fire-type starters, Delphox and Incineroar, were also divisive, but went over much better for having sleeker designs and ''not'' being Fire/Fighting (although Incineroar got some flak for having the look and feel of a Fire/Fighting type, particularly Emboar itself).

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** Emboar is often considered a lackluster replacement for the Fire-type starters that came before it (Charizard, Typhlosion, Blaziken, and Infernape), mostly due to its uninspired Fire/Fighting typing, poor competitive worth, and overly brutish design. The next Fire-type starters, Delphox Delphox, Incineroar and Incineroar, Cinderace, were also divisive, but went over much better for having sleeker designs (particularly Cinderace) and ''not'' being Fire/Fighting (although Incineroar got some flak for having the look and feel of a Fire/Fighting type, particularly Emboar itself).



* SelfFanservice: The girl trainer (canonically, Hilda) is estimated by most fans to be around 14-15, and has a cute and tomboyish but overall modest design. However, the very fact that she was part of the first pair of "older" player characters in the series, along with her TomboyishPonytail and [[WhoWearsShortShorts short shorts]], has caused a lot of fans to sexualize her in fan art, often emphasizing and increasing the size of her chest and/or butt to make her look 2-3 years older. This is ''despite'' the fact that she's widely accepted to be underage, and is still very young and small compared to the series' adult characters.

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The girl trainer (canonically, Hilda) is estimated by most fans to be around 14-15, and has a cute and tomboyish but overall modest design. However, the very fact that she was part of the first pair of "older" player characters in the series, along with her TomboyishPonytail and [[WhoWearsShortShorts short shorts]], has caused a lot of fans to sexualize her in fan art, often emphasizing and increasing the size of her chest and/or butt to make her look 2-3 years older. This is ''despite'' the fact that she's widely accepted to be underage, and is still very young and small compared to the series' adult characters.



** Gothitelle joins Gardevoir as one of the "waifu Pokémon" and is sexualized by fans. However, as per usual, the franchise makes an over-the-top and disturbing effort to establish it as an inhuman creature; in this case, its "dress" is its actual body and the anime shows it to have tiny, stubby legs and feet underneath.



** This is generally seen as the reason why the game's brand-new Pokédex of new 150+ Pokémon didn't catch on with as many people as hoped. Some fans suspect that ''Black'' and ''White'' were an attempt at SequelDisplacement a la ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', and tried to be the biggest, best and freshest games at the time in order to become a new gold standard for the franchise - a sentiment echoed by Junichi Masuda's belief that the games were his "masterpiece". However, the ''Pokémon'' franchise had had its heyday with the "Pokémania" of ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'', and many first-generation creatures such as Pikachu and Charizard were not just popular video game monsters, but icons of pop culture. The Unova dex had an uphill battle ahead of it by attempting to displace the Pokémon that everyone knew and loved, and while the decision was praised by dedicated fans, it was lambasted by others and gave the games as a whole an unnecessarily "alien" feel that undermined their appeal. This was not helped by the fact that many of the individual Pokémon species also suffered from this trope compared to their older counterparts. Game Freak, to their credit, [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 got the memo.]]

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** This is generally seen as the reason why the game's brand-new Pokédex of new 150+ Pokémon didn't catch on with as many people as hoped. Some fans suspect that ''Black'' and ''White'' were an attempt at SequelDisplacement a la ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', and tried to be the biggest, best and freshest games at the time in order to become a new gold standard for the franchise - a sentiment echoed by Junichi Masuda's belief that the games were his "masterpiece". However, the ''Pokémon'' franchise had had its heyday with the "Pokémania" of ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'', and many first-generation creatures such as Pikachu and Charizard were not just popular video game monsters, but icons of pop culture. The Unova dex had an uphill battle ahead of it by attempting to displace the Pokémon that everyone knew and loved, and while the decision was praised by dedicated fans, it was lambasted by others and gave the games as a whole an unnecessarily "alien" feel that undermined their appeal. This was not helped by the fact that many of the individual Pokémon species also suffered from this trope compared to their older counterparts. Game Freak, to their credit, [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 got the memo.]]]] Despite this, it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that the creators are still fond of Generation V, as its characters and Pokémon are some of the most prominent in ''VideoGame/PokemonMasters'' and they also have a very large presence in ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'', outnumbering the returning Kanto Pokémon and having new Galarian forms and evolutions.


* Alder is one of the more controversial Champions; his fans appreciate his depth and backstory as well as half his team (particularly his ace Volcarona) displaying the power of Bugs, while his detractors deride him for [[spoiler:losing to N and being a lackluster PostFinalBoss after the much bigger challenge defeating Ghetsis.]]

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* ** Alder is one of the more controversial Champions; his fans appreciate his depth and backstory as well as half his team (particularly his ace Volcarona) displaying the power of Bugs, while his detractors deride him for [[spoiler:losing to N and being a lackluster PostFinalBoss after the much bigger challenge defeating Ghetsis.]]


* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Are Reshiram and Zekrom [[YinYangClash two separate entities that have come to despise each other]] because [[ThisIsMySide they are polar opposites never to meet]], or do they [[PuttingTheBandBackTogether long to turn back into the original dragon they were before and be together]]? The latter seems a fairly popular interpretation on Pixiv.
** [[spoiler:Was Team Plasma sans Ghetsis truly a StupidGood group of {{well intentioned extremist}}s who thought they were doing the right thing à la N, or were some in on Ghetsis's true intentions and merely playing up the facade in order to gain brownie points from the guy when he finished his conquering? The Sages at the very least seem aware, since they slip up occasionally and refer to Ghetsis as their leader (followed by him correcting them that he's one of the Sages and supposedly no more powerful than the rest of them). However, some of the Sages also imply that they did at the very least support treating Pokemon with respect rather than as tools, with Bronius in his last conversation with you before being taken away by Looker even denouncing those who use Pokémon selfishly. Then there's the fact that the Shadow Triad is loyal to Ghetsis even after he reveals the truth... The two grunts who kick the Munna early on hint that they were aware that Ghetsis was lying, though some of the random grunts in their dialogue do also imply supporting N's ideals.]]
*** ''[=B2W2=]'' confirms that [[TakeAThirdOption it's a mix of both]], with [[spoiler:Rood leading a group of Plasmas who either believed in N's goals from the start or had [[HeelFaceTurn come around later]], while there's a separate group openly following Ghetsis]]. It's still somewhat ambiguous when ''only'' taking the initial games into account, however.
** N is often interpreted as a tragic, sympathetic [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who's shipped with the player characters or a mouth-breathing StalkerWithACrush...who is [[MemeticMolester shipped]] with the player characters.
** Even gym leaders get this. Are Cilan, Chili, and Cress just innocent novice gym leaders or [[EpilepticTrees are they hiding something?]] Is Elesa really TheStoic or is she a poser due to being a Volkner fangirl? And while Skyla acts like a NiceGirl, [[NoOSHACompliance the way she has you reach her in the gym]] implies she may actually be a BitchInSheepsClothing or at the very least [[ThePrankster a cruel prankster.]]
** Ghetsis may be a TakeThat towards the more competitive StopHavingFunGuys; he merely sees Pokémon as tools, and as for his poor treatment of N and other people in general, keep in mind that [[FridgeHorror there]] ''[[FridgeHorror are]]'' [[FridgeHorror some people who prioritize their own virtual pet monsters over their friends and family in a similar way]], though maybe not as much. At most, the sequel shows him as being the living, breathing antithesis to the games' message he's the guy who simply will ''not'' listen to or tolerate the ideas of others since [[ItsAllAboutMe he only thinks of himself]], and he cannot be reasoned with, given his RedemptionRejection. Which could be {{Anvilicious}} or a case of SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped about how there are some people who are just intolerant assholes.
** Victini's cry has lead many players (and Website/YouTube commenters) to believe that it's laughing at them. For good reason, too; being a Legendary, Victini is one of the hardest Fire-types to catch.



* AuthorsSavingThrow: After four generations of people being really hesistant to use Technical Machines due to being expensive, tedious to grind for in the case of those available as prizes at game corners or battle facilities, or being one of the ''many'' that are only available once in a save file, Game Freak finally relented and gave them infinite use like Hidden Machines.

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After four generations of people being really hesistant to use Technical Machines due to being expensive, tedious to grind for in the case of those available as prizes at game corners or battle facilities, or being one of the ''many'' that are only available once in a save file, Game Freak finally relented and gave them infinite use like Hidden Machines.



* {{Fanon}}:
** Many Japanese fan artists interpret Hilbert and Hilda as siblings, sometimes even twins. In-game, the character you don't choose treats the one you do like a new friend, but that hasn't stopped fans.
** Many fans tend to [[CharacterExaggeration exaggerate just how evil]] Ghetsis can be; ''yes'', he's certifiably insane and did abuse and manipulate his adopted son for purely selfish reasons, but ''no'', he's never been seen feeding anyone to his Hydreigon with sadistic glee or the like. In a semi-case of AscendedFanon, the ''Manga/PokemonAdventures'' version of him does come close to the fanon one in some regards, as he actually ''does'' use his Pokémon to inflict grievous harm on people on many occasions.
** Speaking of Hydreigon, it's popular to depict it as TheRival to Tyranitar due to it being a fellow Dark-type pseudo-legendary with a slight resemblance to King Ghidorah, since Tyranitar is a Franchise/{{Godzilla}} homage.


* FranchiseOriginalSin: One of the most infamous criticisms of ''Black'' and ''White'' is that it only provides access to Unova Pokémon until the post-game. This is much like how ''Pokémon [=FireRed=]'' and ''Pokémon [=LeafGreen=]'' only allowed access to Kanto Pokémon; however, those games went even further in their Dex restriction by not allowing new Pokémon to be traded or evolved into the game until a point very late into the post-game. While still regarded as a poor decision that was ditched in later remakes, it isn't criticized as heavily as the Unova Dex because of the prevalence of FirstInstallmentWins sentiments in the ''Pokémon'' fandom and the iconic popularity of many of the Kanto Pokémon a concept that many Unova fans, coincidentally, get testy about. Because Gens III and V have both aged, Nintendo WFC has become defunct and it's become increasingly difficult to find people to trade with, it's essentially just as practically difficult to get old Pokémon into ''BW'' as it is to get new ones into ''[=FRLG=]'', causing the Unova Dex restriction to become more infamous in the end.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: One [[FranchiseOriginalSin/{{Pokemon}} Shares a page with the rest of the most infamous criticisms of ''Black'' and ''White'' is that it only provides access to Unova Pokémon until the post-game. This is much like how ''Pokémon [=FireRed=]'' and ''Pokémon [=LeafGreen=]'' only allowed access to Kanto Pokémon; however, those games went even further in their Dex restriction by not allowing new Pokémon to be traded or evolved into the game until a point very late into the post-game. While still regarded as a poor decision that was ditched in later remakes, it isn't criticized as heavily as the Unova Dex because of the prevalence of FirstInstallmentWins sentiments in the ''Pokémon'' fandom and the iconic popularity of many of the Kanto Pokémon a concept that many Unova fans, coincidentally, get testy about. Because Gens III and V have both aged, Nintendo WFC has become defunct and it's become increasingly difficult to find people to trade with, it's essentially just as practically difficult to get old Pokémon into ''BW'' as it is to get new ones into ''[=FRLG=]'', causing the Unova Dex restriction to become more infamous in the end.franchise.]]

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* FanNickname: Sawk and Throh are sometimes called "Bert" and "Ernie" due to their resemblance to the ''Series/SesameStreet'' characters.


** There's also [[VideoGame PokemonDiamondAndPearl Cynthia]] hanging out with ''every'' important female Pokémon League official at her villa, and Iris being Bianca's "bodyguard".

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** There's also [[VideoGame PokemonDiamondAndPearl [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Cynthia]] hanging out with ''every'' important female Pokémon League official at her villa, and Iris being Bianca's "bodyguard".



** Competitive players (like Website/{{Smogon}}) were ''not'' pleased with Rotom-A losing their Ghost typing (as it can no longer prevent Rapid Spin from working).

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** Competitive players (like Website/{{Smogon}}) were ''not'' pleased with Rotom-A Rotom's appliance forms losing their Ghost typing (as it typing, as they can no longer prevent block Rapid Spin from working).Spin. (Though ironically, Rotom ended up getting ''more'' use, as it synergizes well with rain teams.)



** Zoroark is also often confused to be a female due to its long ponytail, despite the species having a rare chance of being female.

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** Zoroark is also often confused to be a female due to its long ponytail, despite the species having a rare chance of being female.


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** Dream World players who go daily online to do activities there will, I repeat, WILL remember the damned happy-go-lucky themes. They're screwed if they don't mute the music in time.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsUn6sEGtA The rival battle theme.]]

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* Alder is one of the more controversial Champions; his fans appreciate his depth and backstory as well as half his team (particularly his ace Volcarona) displaying the power of Bugs, while his detractors deride him for [[spoiler:losing to N and being a lackluster PostFinalBoss after the much bigger challenge defeating Ghetsis.]]


* DracoInLeatherPants: While N is certainly sympathetic and a well-written AntiVillain who was a pawn of Ghetsis' plans, many fans treat him as if he's completely innocent, when he was blind to the reality of the world around him and potentially endangered Unova by summoning his dragon. This is likely why the manga made him a bit more of a [[{{Jerkass}} cruel-spirited]] JerkassWoobie.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: While N is certainly sympathetic and a well-written AntiVillain who was a pawn of Ghetsis' plans, many fans treat him as if he's completely innocent, when he was willfully blind to the reality of the world around him and potentially endangered Unova by summoning his dragon. This is likely why the manga made him a bit more of a [[{{Jerkass}} cruel-spirited]] JerkassWoobie.



** Many fans tend to [[CharacterExaggeration exaggerate just how evil]] Ghetsis can be; ''yes'', he's certifiably insane and did abuse and manipulate his adopted son for purely selfish reasons, but ''no'', he's never been seen feeding anyone to his Hydreigon with sadistic glee or the like. In a semi-case of AscendedFanon, the ''Manga/PokemonAdventures'' version of him does come close to the fanon one in some regards.

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** Many fans tend to [[CharacterExaggeration exaggerate just how evil]] Ghetsis can be; ''yes'', he's certifiably insane and did abuse and manipulate his adopted son for purely selfish reasons, but ''no'', he's never been seen feeding anyone to his Hydreigon with sadistic glee or the like. In a semi-case of AscendedFanon, the ''Manga/PokemonAdventures'' version of him does come close to the fanon one in some regards.regards, as he actually ''does'' use his Pokémon to inflict grievous harm on people on many occasions.

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** The abundant number of new Fire types can be seen as an apology for the previous generations ''Pokémon Diamond & Pearl'' notoriously introducing and including few Fire types in their initial release.


* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The decision to only have Unova Pokémon available during the main story was infamous at the time for offending [[NostalgiaFilter old-school Pokémon fans]] and turning the games and the Unova Pokémon in to a source of SnarkBait for said fans on various websites. Such a decision has also hurt these games' popularity in the long run among the core fanbase, which is one reason why ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' enjoy a better reputation with said fanbase. Many people who otherwise enjoyed ''Black'' and ''White'' admit that the Unova Dex was a poor decision in hindsight, and one that couldn't be sustained as new generations would be introduced. It's very common to find fans who skipped over Gen V for that reason, particularly outside of online communities.



* ContestedSequel: The games have fallen into this over time, if not to the same polarizing extent as the 3DS entries. It all boils down to what one thinks about the relative importance and quality of the Pokédex, story, characters, region, and mechanics; the most common debate is whether the "unfamiliar" feel of the game and its Pokémon undermine it despite the memorable characters, story, and region. Notably, the games are among the ''least'' popular games in the series with more casual fans and gamers due to the AudienceAlienatingPremise of lacking older Pokémon, even if they aren't lambasted by that sector like they were when they first came out. Competitively, it is ''widely'' disliked, as the "Weather Wars" meta made for a very narrow playstyle that required almost every team to have Politoed, Ninetales, Tyranitar, or Hippowdon and a bunch of Pokemon that could make use of the weather they created, and the omnipresence of Dragons made the meta even more bland and formulaic, even after [[GameBreaker Garchomp]] was KickedUpstairs. Furthermore, basically all competitive players will agree that the games added nothing of value to the series from a mechanical standpoint, and the Pokemon introduced were almost all [[TierInducedScrappy Tier Induced Scrappies]]; it was rare for a Pokemon from this generation to not either be completely worthless or obnoxious, and some of the most infamous high-tier Scrappies in the history of the series (namely Excadrill and Landorus Therian) were introduced here.

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* ContestedSequel: The games have fallen into this over time, if not to the same polarizing extent as the 3DS entries. It all boils down to what one thinks about the relative importance and quality of the Pokédex, story, characters, region, and mechanics; the most common debate is whether the "unfamiliar" feel of the game and its Pokémon undermine it despite the memorable characters, story, and region. Notably, the games are among the ''least'' popular games in the series with more casual fans and gamers due to the AudienceAlienatingPremise of lacking older Pokémon, even if they aren't lambasted by that sector like they were when they first came out. Competitively, it is ''widely'' disliked, as the "Weather Wars" meta made for a very narrow playstyle that required almost every team to have Politoed, Ninetales, Tyranitar, or Hippowdon and a bunch of Pokemon that could make use of the weather they created, and the omnipresence of Dragons made the meta even more bland and formulaic, even after [[GameBreaker Garchomp]] was KickedUpstairs. Furthermore, basically all competitive players will agree that the games added nothing of value to the series from a mechanical standpoint, and the Pokemon introduced were almost all [[TierInducedScrappy Tier Induced Scrappies]]; it was rare for a Pokemon from this generation to not either be completely worthless or obnoxious, and some of the most infamous high-tier Scrappies in the history of the series (namely Excadrill and Landorus Therian) were introduced here.



* PopularityPolynomial: When ''Black'' and ''White'' were first released, they were extremely popular and beloved by the fandom, but also infamously drew vocal hate from "[[FirstInstallmentWins genwunners]]" for being such a departure for the series, particularly with the Unova Dex. Game Freak [[AuthorsSavingThrow attempted to rectify this]] with ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' and its heavy emphasis on Gen I nostalgia, and ''Black'' and ''White'' quickly fell out of favor come the next generation. However, as the "honeymoon period" ended and more 3DS entries were released that retained some major flaws of ''X'' and ''Y''[[note]]namely lackluster difficulty and increasingly shallow postgames[[/note]], some people began to come around to ''Black'' and ''White'' again, if not universally so.[[note]]The games are still contested for various reasons; for example, the Unova Dex is still regarded by some as an AudienceAlienatingPremise, and one that possibly undermines the whole game.[[/note]] Many fans are thankful that the games have some of the best plots and characterisations of the series, and the great amount of post-game content for a generation's maiden pair of games.

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* PopularityPolynomial: When ''Black'' and ''White'' were first released, they were extremely popular and beloved by the fandom, but also infamously drew vocal hate from "[[FirstInstallmentWins genwunners]]" for being such a departure for the series, particularly with the Unova Dex. Game Freak [[AuthorsSavingThrow attempted to rectify this]] with ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' and its heavy emphasis on Gen I nostalgia, and ''Black'' and ''White'' quickly fell out of favor come the next generation. However, as the "honeymoon period" ended and more 3DS entries were released that retained some major flaws of ''X'' and ''Y''[[note]]namely lackluster difficulty and increasingly shallow postgames[[/note]], some people began to come around to ''Black'' and ''White'' again, if not universally so.[[note]]The games are still contested for various reasons; for example, the Unova Dex is still regarded by some as an AudienceAlienatingPremise, and one that possibly undermines the whole game.Dex.[[/note]] Many fans are thankful that the games have some of the best plots and characterisations of the series, and the great amount of post-game content for a generation's maiden pair of games.


** This is generally seen as the reason why the game's brand-new Pokédex of new 150+ Pokémon didn't catch on with as many people as hoped. Some fans suspect that ''Black'' and ''White'' were an attempt at SequelDisplacement a la ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', and tried to be the biggest, best and freshest games at the time in order to become a new gold standard for the franchise - a sentiment echoed by Junichi Masuda's belief that the games were his "masterpiece". However, the ''Pokémon'' franchise had had its heyday with the "Pokémania" of ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'', and many first-generation creatures such as Pikachu and Charizard were not just popular video game monsters, but icons of pop culture. The Unova dex had an uphill battle ahead of it by attempting to displace the Pokémon that everyone knew and loved, and while the decision was praised by dedicated fans, it was lambasted by others and gave the games as a whole an unnecessarily "alien" feel that undermined their appeal. This was not helped by the fact that many of the individual Pokémon species also suffered from this trope compared to their older counterparts. Game Freak, to their credit, [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 were quick to get the memo.]]

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** This is generally seen as the reason why the game's brand-new Pokédex of new 150+ Pokémon didn't catch on with as many people as hoped. Some fans suspect that ''Black'' and ''White'' were an attempt at SequelDisplacement a la ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', and tried to be the biggest, best and freshest games at the time in order to become a new gold standard for the franchise - a sentiment echoed by Junichi Masuda's belief that the games were his "masterpiece". However, the ''Pokémon'' franchise had had its heyday with the "Pokémania" of ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'', and many first-generation creatures such as Pikachu and Charizard were not just popular video game monsters, but icons of pop culture. The Unova dex had an uphill battle ahead of it by attempting to displace the Pokémon that everyone knew and loved, and while the decision was praised by dedicated fans, it was lambasted by others and gave the games as a whole an unnecessarily "alien" feel that undermined their appeal. This was not helped by the fact that many of the individual Pokémon species also suffered from this trope compared to their older counterparts. Game Freak, to their credit, [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 were quick to get got the memo.]]


** This is generally seen as the reason why the game's brand-new Pokédex of new 150+ Pokémon didn't catch on with as many people as hoped. Some fans suspect that ''Black'' and ''White'' were an attempt at SequelDisplacement a la ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', and tried to be the biggest, best and freshest games at the time in order to become a new gold standard for the franchise - a sentiment echoed by Junichi Masuda's belief that the games were his "masterpiece". However, the ''Pokémon'' franchise had had its heyday with the "Pokémania" of ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'', and many first-generation creatures such as Pikachu and Charizard were not just popular video game monsters, but icons of pop culture. The Unova dex had an uphill battle ahead of it by attempting to displace the Pokémon that everyone knew and loved, and while the decision was praised by dedicated fans, it was lambasted by others and gave the games as a whole an unnecessarily "alien" feel that undermined their appeal. This was not helped by the fact that many of the individual Pokémon species also suffered from this trope compared to their older counterparts.

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** This is generally seen as the reason why the game's brand-new Pokédex of new 150+ Pokémon didn't catch on with as many people as hoped. Some fans suspect that ''Black'' and ''White'' were an attempt at SequelDisplacement a la ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', and tried to be the biggest, best and freshest games at the time in order to become a new gold standard for the franchise - a sentiment echoed by Junichi Masuda's belief that the games were his "masterpiece". However, the ''Pokémon'' franchise had had its heyday with the "Pokémania" of ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'', and many first-generation creatures such as Pikachu and Charizard were not just popular video game monsters, but icons of pop culture. The Unova dex had an uphill battle ahead of it by attempting to displace the Pokémon that everyone knew and loved, and while the decision was praised by dedicated fans, it was lambasted by others and gave the games as a whole an unnecessarily "alien" feel that undermined their appeal. This was not helped by the fact that many of the individual Pokémon species also suffered from this trope compared to their older counterparts. Game Freak, to their credit, [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 were quick to get the memo.]]

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