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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Back in 1998, ''ComicBook/AvengersForever'' introduced a time-travelling Songbird, who came from the near future where she is a member of the Avengers. The writer of that story, Creator/KurtBusiek, never did a of follow-up where the present-day Songbird would join the team, and in the following years, she was never a member of any version of the Avengers... Until she joins one in this book. Since Creator/AlEwing is extremely well-versed in Marvel history, and often brings back elements from older comics, you'd think he would use this opportunity to finally show Songbird travelling back in time to take part in the earlier story? But that doesn't happen, and she [[spoiler:quits the team in the final issue of this book]], ensuring that no ''Avengers Forever'' [[CallBack call-backs]] will be seen in the sequel series ''ComicBook/USAvengers'' either.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** Back in 1998, ''ComicBook/AvengersForever'' introduced a time-travelling Songbird, who came from the near future where she is a member of the Avengers. The writer of that story, Creator/KurtBusiek, never did a of follow-up where the present-day Songbird would join the team, and in the following years, she was never a member of any version of the Avengers... Until she joins one in this book. Since Creator/AlEwing is extremely well-versed in Marvel history, and often brings back elements from older comics, you'd think he would use this opportunity to finally show Songbird travelling back in time to take part in the earlier story? But that doesn't happen, and she [[spoiler:quits the team in the final issue of this book]], ensuring that no ''Avengers Forever'' [[CallBack call-backs]] will be seen in the sequel series ''ComicBook/USAvengers'' either.
** The period when the team has been split in two is all too brief. There's only one issue featuring "Wiccan's Kooky Quartet", and ''zero'' issues featuring the rest of A.I.M. operating in secret from the Savage Land, before the two sides are reunited for the final story arc.
** Back in 1998, ''ComicBook/AvengersForever'' introduced a time-travelling Songbird, who came from the near future where she is a member of the Avengers. The writer of that story, Creator/KurtBusiek, never did a of follow-up where the present-day Songbird would join the team, and in the following years, she was never a member of any version of the Avengers... Until she joins one in this book. Since Creator/AlEwing is extremely well-versed in Marvel history, and often brings back elements from older comics, you'd think he would use this opportunity to finally show Songbird travelling back in time to take part in the earlier story? But that doesn't happen, and she [[spoiler:quits the team in the final issue of this book]], ensuring that no ''Avengers Forever'' [[CallBack call-backs]] will be seen in the sequel series ''ComicBook/USAvengers'' either.
** The period when the team has been split in two is all too brief. There's only one issue featuring "Wiccan's Kooky Quartet", and ''zero'' issues featuring the rest of A.I.M. operating in secret from the Savage Land, before the two sides are reunited for the final story arc.
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* CrazyAwesome: The American Kaiju. "YUUUUUU.....ESSSS......AYYYYYYYY!", indeed.
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* MagnificentBastard: Sunspot. Let's face it, [[spoiler:if you can get someone to play a ''triple agent'' and make it work? You're damn good.]]
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Back in 1998, ''ComicBook/AvengersForever'' introduced a time-travelling Songbird, who came from the near future where she is a member of the Avengers. The writer of that story, Creator/KurtBusiek, never did a of follow-up where the present-day Songbird would join the team, and in the following years, she was never a member of any version of the Avengers... Until she joins one in this book. Since Creator/AlEwing is extremely well-versed in Marvel history, and often brings back elements from older stories, you'd think he would use this opportunity to finally show Songbird travelling back in time to take part in the earlier story? But that doesn't happen, and she [[spoiler:quits the team in the final issue of this book]], ensuring that no ''Avengers Forever'' [[CallBack call-backs]] will be seen in the sequel series ''ComicBook/USAvengers'' either.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Back in 1998, ''ComicBook/AvengersForever'' introduced a time-travelling Songbird, who came from the near future where she is a member of the Avengers. The writer of that story, Creator/KurtBusiek, never did a of follow-up where the present-day Songbird would join the team, and in the following years, she was never a member of any version of the Avengers... Until she joins one in this book. Since Creator/AlEwing is extremely well-versed in Marvel history, and often brings back elements from older stories, comics, you'd think he would use this opportunity to finally show Songbird travelling back in time to take part in the earlier story? But that doesn't happen, and she [[spoiler:quits the team in the final issue of this book]], ensuring that no ''Avengers Forever'' [[CallBack call-backs]] will be seen in the sequel series ''ComicBook/USAvengers'' either.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Back in 1998, ''ComicBook/AvengersForever'' introduced a time-travelling Songbird, who came from the near future where she is a member of the Avengers. The writer of that story, Creator/KurtBusiek, never did a of follow-up where the present-day Songbird would join the team, and in the following years, she was never a member of any version of the Avengers... Until she joins one in this book. Since Creator/AlEwing is extremely well-versed Marvel history, and often brings back elements from older comics, you'd think he would use this opportunity to finally show Songbird travelling back in time to take part in the earlier story? But that doesn't happen, and she [[spoiler:quits the team in the final issue of this book]], ensuring that no ''Avengers Forever'' [[CallBack call-backs]] will be seen in the sequel series ''ComicBook/USAvengers'' either.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Back in 1998, ''ComicBook/AvengersForever'' introduced a time-travelling Songbird, who came from the near future where she is a member of the Avengers. The writer of that story, Creator/KurtBusiek, never did a of follow-up where the present-day Songbird would join the team, and in the following years, she was never a member of any version of the Avengers... Until she joins one in this book. Since Creator/AlEwing is extremely well-versed in Marvel history, and often brings back elements from older comics, stories, you'd think he would use this opportunity to finally show Songbird travelling back in time to take part in the earlier story? But that doesn't happen, and she [[spoiler:quits the team in the final issue of this book]], ensuring that no ''Avengers Forever'' [[CallBack call-backs]] will be seen in the sequel series ''ComicBook/USAvengers'' either.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Back in 1998, ''ComicBook/AvengersForever'' introduced a time-travelling Songbird, who came from the near future where she is a member of the Avengers. The writer of that story, Creator/KurtBusiek, never did a of follow-up where the present-day Songbird would join the team, and in the following years, she was never a member of any version of the Avengers, until she joins one in this book. Since Creator/AlEwing is extremely well-versed Marvel history, and often brings back elements from older comics, you'd think he would use this opportunity to finally show Songbird travelling back in time to take part in the earlier story... But that doesn't happen, and she [[spoiler:quits the team in the final issue of this book]], ensuring that no ''Avengers Forever'' [[CallBack call-backs]] will be seen in the sequel series ''ComicBook/USAvengers'' either.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Back in 1998, ''ComicBook/AvengersForever'' introduced a time-travelling Songbird, who came from the near future where she is a member of the Avengers. The writer of that story, Creator/KurtBusiek, never did a of follow-up where the present-day Songbird would join the team, and in the following years, she was never a member of any version of the Avengers, until Avengers... Until she joins one in this book. Since Creator/AlEwing is extremely well-versed Marvel history, and often brings back elements from older comics, you'd think he would use this opportunity to finally show Songbird travelling back in time to take part in the earlier story... story? But that doesn't happen, and she [[spoiler:quits the team in the final issue of this book]], ensuring that no ''Avengers Forever'' [[CallBack call-backs]] will be seen in the sequel series ''ComicBook/USAvengers'' either.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Back in 1998, ''ComicBook/AvengersForever'' introduced a time-travelling Songbird, who came from the near future where she is a member of the Avengers. The writer of that story, Creator/KurtBusiek, never did a of follow-up where the present-day Songbird would join the team, and in the following years, she was never a member of any version of the Avengers, until she joins one in this book. Since Creator/AlEwing is extremely well-versed Marvel history, and often brings back elements from older comics, you'd think he would use this opportunity to finally show Songbird travelling back in time to take part in the earlier story... But that doesn't happen, and she [[spoiler:quits the team in the final issue of the book]], ensuring that no ''Avengers Forever'' [[CallBack call-backs]] will be seen in the sequel series ComicBook/USAvengers either.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Back in 1998, ''ComicBook/AvengersForever'' introduced a time-travelling Songbird, who came from the near future where she is a member of the Avengers. The writer of that story, Creator/KurtBusiek, never did a of follow-up where the present-day Songbird would join the team, and in the following years, she was never a member of any version of the Avengers, until she joins one in this book. Since Creator/AlEwing is extremely well-versed Marvel history, and often brings back elements from older comics, you'd think he would use this opportunity to finally show Songbird travelling back in time to take part in the earlier story... But that doesn't happen, and she [[spoiler:quits the team in the final issue of the this book]], ensuring that no ''Avengers Forever'' [[CallBack call-backs]] will be seen in the sequel series ComicBook/USAvengers ''ComicBook/USAvengers'' either.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Back in 1998, ''ComicBook/AvengersForever'' introduced a time-travelling Songbird, who came from the near future where she is a member of the Avengers. The writer of that story, Creator/KurtBusiek, never did a of follow-up where the present-day Songbird would join the team, and in the following years, she was never a member of any version of the Avengers, until she joins one in this book. Since Creator/AlEwing is extremely well-versed Marvel history, and often brings back elements from older comics, you'd think he would use this opportunity to finally show Songbird travelling back in time to take part in the earlier story... But that doesn't happen, and she [[spoiler:quits the team in the final issue of the book]], ensuring that no ''Avengers Forever'' [[CallBack call-backs]] will be seen in the sequel series ComicBook/USAvengers either.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: There seems to be little to no middle ground on the book; either you hate the artwork or you don't mind it/actually like it, and you either love the story or you find it weak. See above.
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So Cool Its Awesome is a fanspeak term that doesn't get wicks.
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* SoCoolItsAwesome: Avengers Island. An artificial IslandBase for the World's Mightiest Heroes, where they have an entire, dedicated support staff, multiple [[CoolPlane Cool Planes]], and the means to let said World's Mightiest actually deal with threats across the world rather than just New York.
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* TheWoobie: Duggan. You'd think dying would be the worst thing that's happened to him? Nope. [[spoiler:He gets brainwashed, set on innocents, and then it turns out Fury had been ''lying'' about his being DeadAllAlong.]]
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* OlderThanTheyThink: This isn't the first time the Avengers have had an island base. There was the Hydrobase, which they used back in the '80s.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: This isn't the first time the Avengers have had an island base. There This island was actually the retrofitted Hydrobase, which they used back in the '80s.'80s.
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:John Garrett hacking Duggan's LMD body, overriding his mind so he'll agree with Garrett's plan to attack A.I.M.]]
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* MagnificentBastard: Sunspot. Let's face it, [[spoiler:if you can get someone to play a ''triple agent'' and make it work? You're damn good.]]
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** As this [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/6138985.html?thread=172335209#cmt172335209 points out]], "Todd Ziller" may be a riff on the "Marine Todd" copypasta and may in fact be the same person.
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* CrazyAwesome: The American Kaiju. "YUUUUUU.....ESSSS......AYYYYYYYY!", indeed.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: This isn't the first time the Avengers have had an island base. There was the Hydrobase, which they used back in the '80s.
* SoCoolItsAwesome: Avengers Island. An artificial IslandBase for the World's Mightiest Heroes, where they have an entire, dedicated support staff, multiple [[CoolPlane Cool Planes]], and the means to let said World's Mightiest actually deal with threats across the world rather than just New York. Its amazing the idea of giving them an Island Base hadn't been done before.\n
* SoCoolItsAwesome: Avengers Island. An artificial IslandBase for the World's Mightiest Heroes, where they have an entire, dedicated support staff, multiple [[CoolPlane Cool Planes]], and the means to let said World's Mightiest actually deal with threats across the world rather than just New York.
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* SoCoolItsAwesome: Avengers Island. An artificial IslandBase for the World's Mightiest Heroes, where they have an entire, dedicated support staff, multiple [[CoolPlane Cool Planes]], and the means to let said World's Mightiest actually deal with threats across the world rather than just New York. Its amazing the idea of giving them an Island Base hadn't been done before.
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* BrokenBase: Gerardo Sandoval's art for being very 90s. Some people think it fits the pretty much {{Genre Throwback}}y feel of the book at least, others think it's just plain bad.
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** Gerardo Sandoval's art for being very 90s. Some people think it fits the pretty much {{Genre Throwback}}y feel of the book at least, others think it's just plainbad.bad.
** The writing has gotten some flak for its focus on being fun sci-fi with occasional dips into seriousness. For some, its an awesome reinvention of the Avengers that embraces the fun comics can have without sacrificing depth and character development, while others feel its ''too'' fun that it makes any serious development in the book feel weak.
** Teddy's handling, as an extension of his handling in general from previous work[[note]]a number of Young Avengers readers have complained for a while now how Teddy is often relegated to being just Billy's love interest rather than getting his own plot and focus[[/note]]. For some, fleshing out his connection and importance to the Skrull and Kree gives him some needed character focus, while others feel that they wasted established mythology to create new ideas and are cynical over how the plot essentially leads to more focus on Billy.
** Gerardo Sandoval's art for being very 90s. Some people think it fits the pretty much {{Genre Throwback}}y feel of the book at least, others think it's just plain
** The writing has gotten some flak for its focus on being fun sci-fi with occasional dips into seriousness. For some, its an awesome reinvention of the Avengers that embraces the fun comics can have without sacrificing depth and character development, while others feel its ''too'' fun that it makes any serious development in the book feel weak.
** Teddy's handling, as an extension of his handling in general from previous work[[note]]a number of Young Avengers readers have complained for a while now how Teddy is often relegated to being just Billy's love interest rather than getting his own plot and focus[[/note]]. For some, fleshing out his connection and importance to the Skrull and Kree gives him some needed character focus, while others feel that they wasted established mythology to create new ideas and are cynical over how the plot essentially leads to more focus on Billy.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: This is either the worst disgrace of a comicbook ever committed to print or the coolest thing ever. With almost no opinion in-between. (Goes back to the point of being an old school and gleefully ridiculous comic.) This largely depends on how the reader feels about the artwork.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: This is There seems to be little to no middle ground on the book; either you hate the worst disgrace of a comicbook ever committed to print artwork or you don't mind it/actually like it, and you either love the coolest thing ever. With almost no opinion in-between. (Goes back to the point of being an old school and gleefully ridiculous comic.) This largely depends on how the reader feels about the artwork.story or you find it weak. See above.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: This is either the worst disgrace of a comicbook ever committed to print or the coolest thing ever. With almost no opinion in-between. (Goes back to the point of being an old school and gleefully ridiculous comic.) This largely depends on if you can get past the artwork; if you're able to ignore it (or even like it) and enjoy the story? Awesome! If the art is too much for you that you can't focus on the plot? Terrible!
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* LoveItOrHateIt: This is either the worst disgrace of a comicbook ever committed to print or the coolest thing ever. With almost no opinion in-between. (Goes back to the point of being an old school and gleefully ridiculous comic.) This largely depends on if you can get past how the artwork; if you're able to ignore it (or even like it) and enjoy reader feels about the story? Awesome! If the art is too much for you that you can't focus on the plot? Terrible!artwork.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: This is either the worst disgrace of a comicbook ever committed to print or the coolest thing ever. With almost no opinion in-between. (Goes back to the point of being an old school and gleefully ridiculous comic.)) This largely depends on if you can get past the artwork; if you're able to ignore it (or even like it) and enjoy the story? Awesome! If the art is too much for you that you can't focus on the plot? Terrible!
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** Worse in the flash-forward in the next issue, when we see Moridun's tentacles bursting out of his face.
-->'''[[spoiler:Demiurge]]/Moridun:''' I laid my eggs in the soul of [[spoiler:your beloved "Billy"]] years ago. Then I ''ate'' him from the inside out.
-->'''[[spoiler:Demiurge]]/Moridun:''' I laid my eggs in the soul of [[spoiler:your beloved "Billy"]] years ago. Then I ''ate'' him from the inside out.
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* NightmareFuel: The series generally plays its more nightmarish elements like BodyHorror for BlackComedy or possibly intentional NarmCharm... then comes issue #4 and try not be terrified by Moridun infecting [[spoiler:Wiccan]].
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* HilariousInHindsight: Sunspot's characterisation as Supreme Leader of A.I.M. is essentially just [[VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}} Handsome Jack]] if he was actually heroic.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: This is either the worst disgrace for of a comicbook ever committed to print or the coolest things thing ever. With almost no opinion in-between. (Goes back to the point of being an old school and gleefully ridiculous comic.)
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* BaseBreaker: Gerardo Sandoval's art for being very 90s. Some people think it fits the pretty much {{Genre Throwback}}y feel of the book at least, others think it's just plain bad.
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* BaseBreaker: BrokenBase: Gerardo Sandoval's art for being very 90s. Some people think it fits the pretty much {{Genre Throwback}}y feel of the book at least, others think it's just plain bad.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: This is either the worst disgrace for a comicbook ever committed to print or the coolest things ever. With almost no opinion in-between. (Goes back to the point of being an old school and gleefully ridiculous comic.)
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