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* DamselScrappy: Rachel and Mona (though Rachel is also this by virtue of being a loud, bratty JerkAss). Elaine at first, but she [[TookALevelInBadass got over it]]. Subverted with Mazikeen.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The new comic series undoes a ''lot'' from the old one, [[spoiler:including turning the BittersweetEnding into a StatusQuoIsGod sort of middle.]] This has drawn quite a few complaints.
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* HoYay: [[spoiler:Jayesh/Karl and Lucifer/Izanami, both of which are canon]].
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* TooDumbToLive: Sherri and, to a (slightly) lesser extent, Ewan from Volume 2, both of whom are not only stupid enough to climb the large, mysterious building, but also ''break into'' it (with Sherri fully believing she's "invited" due to simply having a sixth sense). The building, of course, turns out to belong to Lucifer, and it works out for them about as well as one might expect.
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* TheWoobie: ''Everyone.'' As for Lucifer, he'san IronWoobie / a JerkassWoobie, given that he spends his entire existance striving for things he can ultimately never have.
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* AlasPoorScrappy: [[spoiler: Ibriel]] and [[spoiler: Cal.]] [[spoiler: Twice.]] And [[spoiler: Mahu]], [[spoiler: Zonaquel]] and [[spoiler: Remiel]]
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The final scene of the comic is subject to much interpretation. [[spoiler: Lucifer leaves the universe to be off by himself for all eternity after a conversation with the Old God about enlightenment. The thing is, Lucifer explictly rejects the comparison and abandons his seeming loved ones. Some have seen this as a metaphor for Lucifer growing up and being mature. Others see it as showing Lucifer is so pathologically immature he can't stand to be around ''anyone'' now since contact with other people makes you dependent on them. I.e. he actually got WORSE rather than better.]]
* DamselScrappy: Rachel, Mona. Elaine at first, but she [[TookALevelInBadass got over it]]. Subverted with Mazikeen.
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The final scene of the comic is subject to much interpretation. [[spoiler: Lucifer leaves the universe to be off by himself for all eternity after a conversation with the Old God about enlightenment. The thing is, Lucifer explictly rejects the comparison and abandons his seeming loved ones. Some have seen this as a metaphor for Lucifer growing up and being mature. Others see it as showing Lucifer is so pathologically immature he can't stand to be around ''anyone'' now since contact with other people makes you dependent on them. I.e. he actually got WORSE rather than better.]]
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* AlasPoorScrappy: [[spoiler: Ibriel]] and [[spoiler: Cal.]] [[spoiler: Twice.Cal, the latter of which happens twice.]] And [[spoiler: Mahu]], [[spoiler: Zonaquel]] and [[spoiler: Remiel]]
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The final scene of the comic is subject to much interpretation. [[spoiler: Lucifer leaves the universe to be off by himself for all eternity after a conversation with the Old God about enlightenment. The thing is, Lucifer explictly rejects the comparison and abandons his seeming loved ones. Some have seen this as a metaphor for Lucifer growing up and being mature. Others see it as showing Lucifer is so pathologically immature he can't stand to be around ''anyone'' now since contact with other people makes you dependent on them. I.e. he actually gotWORSE ''worse'' rather than better.]]
* DamselScrappy:Rachel, Mona.Rachel and Mona (though Rachel is also this by virtue of being a loud, bratty JerkAss). Elaine at first, but she [[TookALevelInBadass got over it]]. Subverted with Mazikeen.
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The final scene of the comic is subject to much interpretation. [[spoiler: Lucifer leaves the universe to be off by himself for all eternity after a conversation with the Old God about enlightenment. The thing is, Lucifer explictly rejects the comparison and abandons his seeming loved ones. Some have seen this as a metaphor for Lucifer growing up and being mature. Others see it as showing Lucifer is so pathologically immature he can't stand to be around ''anyone'' now since contact with other people makes you dependent on them. I.e. he actually got
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* HoYay: [[spoiler:Jayesh [[spoiler:Jayesh/Karl and Karl]]. See also BiTheWay, above. And that's just in canon.Lucifer/Izanami, both of which are canon]].
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** To some extent Lucifer is''Everyone.'' As for Lucifer, he's an IronWoobie / JerkassWoobie, given as that he spends his entire existance striving for things he probably can ultimately never have.
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* JumpingTheShark: ''The Mansions of the Silence.''
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* CompleteMonster: The Basanos.
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* FoeYay: [[spoiler:Rudd]] and [[spoiler:Lys]], after the break-up, though they may be more of an ongoing [[TheMasochismTango Masochism Tango]]. Also [[spoiler:Lucifer and Izanami, literally, at the end.]]
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** Don't forget Elaine and Mona. Perhaps Elaine's greatest tragedy (and that's saying something) is that [[spoiler:while she matures mentally after her death, the woman she would otherwise probably have found lifelong love with retains the mentality of a twelve-year-old]].12-year-old]].
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* TearJerker: So many, but about half the death scenes, even when the characters get better, not helped by the large number of [[TheWoobie woobies]]; also the relationships between [[spoiler: Jayesh and Karl]], [[spoiler: Rudd and Lys]], and [[spoiler: Elaine and her foster parents]], and the fates of a number of characters you wouldn't expect to miss, or even actively [[AlasPoorVillain loathe]]. Let's not even get started on the break-ups.
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* TearJerker: So many, but about About half the death scenes, even when the characters get better, not helped by the large number of [[TheWoobie woobies]]; also the relationships between [[spoiler: Jayesh and Karl]], [[spoiler: Rudd and Lys]], and [[spoiler: Elaine and her foster parents]], and the fates of a number of characters you wouldn't expect to miss, or even actively [[AlasPoorVillain loathe]]. Let's not even get started on the break-ups.
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* TearJerker: So many, but about half the death scenes, even when the characters get better, not helped by the large number of [[TheWoobie woobies]]; also the relationships between [[spoiler: Jayesh and Karl]], [[spoiler: Rudd and Lys]], and [[spoiler: Elaine and her foster parents]], and the fates of a number of characters you wouldn't expect to miss (see AlasPoorScrappy, above), or even actively [[AlasPoorVillain loathe]]. Let's not even get started on the break-ups.
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* TearJerker: So many, but about half the death scenes, even when the characters get better, not helped by the large number of [[TheWoobie woobies]]; also the relationships between [[spoiler: Jayesh and Karl]], [[spoiler: Rudd and Lys]], and [[spoiler: Elaine and her foster parents]], and the fates of a number of characters you wouldn't expect to miss (see AlasPoorScrappy, above), miss, or even actively [[AlasPoorVillain loathe]]. Let's not even get started on the break-ups.
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* AlasPoorVillain: Quite a few, including, at one point, [[spoiler: Lucifer himself]]. But see also [[spoiler:Cestis]], [[spoiler:Lilith]] and [[spoiler:Lys]].
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* FoeYay: [[spoiler:Rudd]] and [[spoiler:Lys]], after the break-up, though they may be more of an ongoing [[TheMasochismTango Masochism Tango]]. Also [[spoiler:Lucifer and Izanami, literally, at the end.]]
** And then there's [[spoiler:Cestis and Mazikeen]]. Most likely to count as HighOctaneNightmareFuel, though.
* HoYay: [[spoiler:Jayesh and Karl]]. See also BiTheWay, above. And that's just in canon.
** Don't forget Elaine and Mona. Perhaps Elaine's greatest tragedy (and that's saying something) is that [[spoiler:while she matures mentally after her death, the woman she would otherwise probably have found lifelong love with retains the mentality of a twelve-year-old]].
*** Except that by the end of the series, Elaine has obtained [[spoiler:the power of God]] which meant she could probably resolve that situation to whatever would fit their mutual satisfaction.
** And then there's [[spoiler:Cestis and Mazikeen]]. Most likely to count as HighOctaneNightmareFuel, though.
* HoYay: [[spoiler:Jayesh and Karl]]. See also BiTheWay, above. And that's just in canon.
** Don't forget Elaine and Mona. Perhaps Elaine's greatest tragedy (and that's saying something) is that [[spoiler:while she matures mentally after her death, the woman she would otherwise probably have found lifelong love with retains the mentality of a twelve-year-old]].
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* TearJerker: So many, but about half the death scenes, even when the characters [[IGotBetter get better]], not helped by the large number of [[TheWoobie woobies]]; also the relationships between [[spoiler: Jayesh and Karl]], [[spoiler: Rudd and Lys]], and [[spoiler: Elaine and her foster parents]], and the fates of a number of characters you wouldn't expect to miss (see AlasPoorScrappy, above), or even actively [[AlasPoorVillain loathe]]. Let's not even get started on the break-ups.
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* TearJerker: So many, but about half the death scenes, even when the characters [[IGotBetter get better]], better, not helped by the large number of [[TheWoobie woobies]]; also the relationships between [[spoiler: Jayesh and Karl]], [[spoiler: Rudd and Lys]], and [[spoiler: Elaine and her foster parents]], and the fates of a number of characters you wouldn't expect to miss (see AlasPoorScrappy, above), or even actively [[AlasPoorVillain loathe]]. Let's not even get started on the break-ups.
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* DamselScrappy: Rachel, Mona. Elaine at first, but she [[TookALevelInBadass got over it]]. Subverted hard with Mazikeen.
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* ScrappyMechanic: If you're the sort of person who tries to decipher it, Mazikeen's slurred semi-legible speech quickly becomes very irritating.
* ScrappyMechanic: If you're the sort of person who tries to decipher it, Mazikeen's slurred semi-legible speech quickly becomes very irritating.
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* MagnificentBastard: Lucifer himself, fittingly enough. [[spoiler: and God.]] Almost everything ends up being part of a careful plot by one or the other and when it's not, they spin up a plan B that usually ends up working better.
