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* EvilIsSexy: Even though the Shadowlands Taint can either make you horrifically ugly or inhumanly beautiful, most Tainted women have tended to remain on the "inhumanly beautiful" side of the spectrum. [[MostWritersAreMale Hmm...]]
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** One may be forgiven for thinking that, due to frequently going for TheThemeParkVersion of feudal samurai culture, the majority of samurai family names are [[AsLongAsItSoundsForeign faux-Japanese hackjobs.]] Well, several are, but the game gives us a good number of legit surnames as well: Shiba, Matsu, Yoritomo, Asahina, Isawa, Togashi, Ujina, etc. A few others aren't proper PEOPLE'S names, exactly, but do reference things that were actually in Japan. Hida was the name of one of the old feudal provinces on Honshu Island, and Ikoma is the name of a mountain.
** Most of the place names are technically Japanese, as well. At least, they use real Japanese words that make sense and were probably intentional... Just not in the right order. A notable example (which is both common and understandable, among novice speakers) is the usage of "no" as equal to the English word "of" rather than the possessive "'s" (it took them a while to stop naming the various oni, who were named after their summoner, as "Oni no [name]" and instead reprinting them as "[name] no Oni", except, for some reason, Kyoso no Oni, who was always named correctly).
** One may be forgiven for thinking that, due to frequently going for TheThemeParkVersion of feudal samurai culture, the majority of samurai family names are [[AsLongAsItSoundsForeign faux-Japanese hackjobs.]] Well, several are, but the game gives us a good number of legit surnames as well: Shiba, Matsu, Yoritomo, Asahina, Isawa, Togashi, Ujina, etc. A few others aren't proper PEOPLE'S names, exactly, but do reference things that were actually in Japan. Hida was the name of one of the old feudal provinces on Honshu Island, and Ikoma is the name of a mountain.
** Most of the place names are technically Japanese, as well. At least, they use real Japanese words that make sense and were probably intentional... Just not in the right order. A notable example (which is both common and understandable, among novice speakers) is the usage of "no" as equal to the English word "of" rather than the possessive "'s" (it took them a while to stop naming the various oni, who were named after their summoner, as "Oni no [name]" and instead reprinting them as "[name] no Oni", except, for some reason, Kyoso no Oni, who was always named correctly).
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** When Hida O-Ushi's uncle Tsume scornfully asked her (formerly Unicorn) husband Hida Yasamura whether he would have the resolve to cut O-Ushi down if she was slain and raised as a zombie, Yasamura replied that it would be impossible for him- because if O-Ushi was slain, he would already be dead.
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** When Hida O-Ushi's uncle Tsume scornfully asked her (formerly Unicorn) husband Hida Yasamura whether he would [[StakingTheLovedOne have the resolve to cut O-Ushi down if she was slain and raised as a zombie, zombie]], Yasamura replied that it would be impossible for him- because if O-Ushi was slain, he would already be dead.
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* CompleteMonster: [[TheCaligula Hantei XVI]], known as Otomo Okucheo before his ascension and also known as the Steel Chrysanthemum, is the most violent and tyrannical Emperor that Rokugan ever had. He was [[AmbitionIsEvil ambitious]] even as a [[EnfantTerrible young child]], when he [[CainAndAbel arranged for the murder of his brother]] to prevent him from being made Emperor. His atrocities ranged from the disastrously grand, such as creating a SecretPolice force to hunt down traitors and political dissidents; to the [[EvilIsPetty disturbingly petty]], such as torturing a woman to death for protesting his widespread use of torture, and then naming her as a minor goddess of torture. He ruined a political opponent's reputation and career, just so he could claim the man's daughter as a concubine. When that daughter refused to bear Hantei XVI a child, he had her imprisoned in her own room and [[BreedingSlave forced the matter]]. The final straw, however, was [[{{Matricide}} ordering the execution of his own mother]], because she dared to protest him killing all of his siblings so they couldn't contest his claim to the throne. This final act was enough to make his entire guard, horrified by what he had done, turn on him, assassinating him in spite of the fact that they would all need to commit seppuku afterwards. BackFromTheDead more than 500 years later, Hantei engineered the 12-year-long War of Spirits in order to try taking back the throne. After the War, as one of the conditions of the treaty, Hantei [[SadistTeacher tutors]] the son of an opponent. Planning to attack his student in order to cause the treaty to be broken and war to break out again, Hantei, while beating this student, is killed by his own fiancée, who has grown to care for this student.
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* CompleteMonster: [[TheCaligula Hantei XVI]], known as Otomo Okucheo before his ascension and also known as the Steel Chrysanthemum, is the most violent and tyrannical Emperor that Rokugan ever had. He was [[AmbitionIsEvil ambitious]] {{ambitio|nIsEvil}}us even as a [[EnfantTerrible young child]], when he [[CainAndAbel arranged for the murder of his brother]] to prevent him from being made Emperor. His atrocities ranged from the disastrously grand, such as creating a SecretPolice force to hunt down traitors and political dissidents; to the [[EvilIsPetty disturbingly petty]], such as torturing a woman to death for protesting his widespread use of torture, and then naming her as a minor goddess of torture. He ruined a political opponent's reputation and career, just so he could claim the man's daughter as a concubine. When that daughter refused to bear Hantei XVI a child, he had her imprisoned in her own room and [[BreedingSlave forced the matter]]. The final straw, however, was [[{{Matricide}} ordering the execution of his own mother]], because she dared to protest him killing all of his siblings so they couldn't contest his claim to the throne. This final act was enough to make his entire guard, horrified by what he had done, turn on him, assassinating him in spite of the fact that they would all need to commit seppuku afterwards. BackFromTheDead more than 500 years later, Hantei engineered the 12-year-long War of Spirits in order to try taking back the throne. After the War, as one of the conditions of the treaty, Hantei [[SadistTeacher tutors]] the son of an opponent. Planning to attack his student in order to cause the treaty to be broken and war to break out again, Hantei, while beating this student, is killed by his own fiancée, who has grown to care for this student.
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* IdiotPlot: The sheer amount of stupidity required to allow Hantei XVI to come to power, and then continue to reign after it was clear that he was insane, is mind-boggling. Hell, his birth was presaged by [[PortentOfDoom horrible omens and portents]] unseen since [[BigBad Iuchiban]], and all the major families just chose to ignore it!
** The Spider's ascension to Great Clan status involved the Empress agreeing to a bargain with Daigotsu, immediately after Daigotsu broke their previous one, and all clans but the Lion just shrugging and accepting it -- including four clans who'd attempted to overthrow Emperors who'd done less than openly bargain with the Shadowlands.
** The build-up to Onyx was like this, relying heavily on the clans in general (and the Crab, Dragon, and Scorpion in particular) not paying attention to what the Spider were up to barely a generation after the Spider were responsible for multiple Emperors' deaths and a coordinated assassination campaign. This amounted to an EpicFail for the Dragon, as not only did the Iweko dynasty allow for all the circumstances for Spider's ascension to the throne, the Dragon Clan in particular had but one task: to monitor the Spider.
** The Spider's ascension to Great Clan status involved the Empress agreeing to a bargain with Daigotsu, immediately after Daigotsu broke their previous one, and all clans but the Lion just shrugging and accepting it -- including four clans who'd attempted to overthrow Emperors who'd done less than openly bargain with the Shadowlands.
** The build-up to Onyx was like this, relying heavily on the clans in general (and the Crab, Dragon, and Scorpion in particular) not paying attention to what the Spider were up to barely a generation after the Spider were responsible for multiple Emperors' deaths and a coordinated assassination campaign. This amounted to an EpicFail for the Dragon, as not only did the Iweko dynasty allow for all the circumstances for Spider's ascension to the throne, the Dragon Clan in particular had but one task: to monitor the Spider.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Any person who attempts to use ''[[BloodMagic maho]]'' or [[DealWithTheDevil entreat with the creatures of the Shadowlands]] is either ignorant of the cost of such practices, dumb enough to believe [[KarmaHoudini that they will be the first people to get around those costs]], or [[KnightTemplar crazy/dedicated enough not to care.]]
** People who made deals with the Spider Clan always came out on the losing end. Always.
** Iweko I and Iweko II both handled the Spider so poorly that they basically sold out the empire to the Spider Clan.
** Iuchiban, one of the setting's [[BigBad Big Bads]], had twice suffered crushing defeats when the clans discovered his plans early. Upon his third rise to power, he decided the best route to power was to announce his return by making the [[RainOfSomethingUnusual sky rain soul-corrupting blood]] over the entire empire.
** People who made deals with the Spider Clan always came out on the losing end. Always.
** Iweko I and Iweko II both handled the Spider so poorly that they basically sold out the empire to the Spider Clan.
** Iuchiban, one of the setting's [[BigBad Big Bads]], had twice suffered crushing defeats when the clans discovered his plans early. Upon his third rise to power, he decided the best route to power was to announce his return by making the [[RainOfSomethingUnusual sky rain soul-corrupting blood]] over the entire empire.
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** People who made deals with the Spider Clan always came out on the losing end. Always.
** Iweko I and Iweko II both handled the Spider so poorly that they basically sold out the empire to the Spider Clan.
** Iuchiban, one of the setting's [[BigBad Big Bads]], had twice suffered crushing defeats when the clans discovered his plans early. Upon his third rise to power, he decided the best route to power was to announce his return by making the [[RainOfSomethingUnusual sky rain soul-corrupting blood]] over the entire empire.
* AudienceAlienatingEra:
** It's pretty uncommon to find someone who liked the Destroyer War, as the Spider were the only clan that came off as even slightly competent. Subsequent developments (the Spider becoming a legitimate Great Clan, Daigotsu taking over Jigoku and joining forces with Fu Leng to save the Empire, Taint only affecting the willing) have been similarly poorly-received.
** The third edition of the RPG had pretty terrible proof reading, including an appendix in ''Emerald Empire'' with [=NPCs=] with Honor stats sometimes twice as high as the rules allowed and a revision of a rather important rule in the ''Revised'' core rulebook that made the Defense skill unintelligable.
** The Ivory Edition era was so poorly received that AEG's staff were begging people to stay. It didn't work, and AEG sold the game.
** It's pretty uncommon to find someone who liked the Destroyer War, as the Spider were the only clan that came off as even slightly competent. Subsequent developments (the Spider becoming a legitimate Great Clan, Daigotsu taking over Jigoku and joining forces with Fu Leng to save the Empire, Taint only affecting the willing) have been similarly poorly-received.
** The third edition of the RPG had pretty terrible proof reading, including an appendix in ''Emerald Empire'' with [=NPCs=] with Honor stats sometimes twice as high as the rules allowed and a revision of a rather important rule in the ''Revised'' core rulebook that made the Defense skill unintelligable.
** The Ivory Edition era was so poorly received that AEG's staff were begging people to stay. It didn't work, and AEG sold the game.
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* DorkAge: What many people consider The Hidden Emperor Arc to be.
** Some people throw Diamond and Lotus Editions onto that pile.
*** It's pretty uncommon to find someone who liked the Destroyer War, as the Spider were the only clan that came off as even slightly competent. Subsequent developments (the Spider becoming a legitimate Great Clan, Daigotsu taking over Jigoku and joining forces with Fu Leng to save the Empire, Taint only affecting the willing) have been similarly poorly-received.
** And the third edition of the RPG had pretty terrible proof reading, including an appendix in ''Emerald Empire'' with [=NPCs=] with Honor stats sometimes twice as high as the rules allowed and a revision of a rather important rule in the ''Revised'' core rulebook that made the Defense skill unintelligable.
** The Ivory Edition era was so poorly received that AEG's staff were begging people to stay. It didn't work, and AEG sold the game.
** Some people throw Diamond and Lotus Editions onto that pile.
*** It's pretty uncommon to find someone who liked the Destroyer War, as the Spider were the only clan that came off as even slightly competent. Subsequent developments (the Spider becoming a legitimate Great Clan, Daigotsu taking over Jigoku and joining forces with Fu Leng to save the Empire, Taint only affecting the willing) have been similarly poorly-received.
** And the third edition of the RPG had pretty terrible proof reading, including an appendix in ''Emerald Empire'' with [=NPCs=] with Honor stats sometimes twice as high as the rules allowed and a revision of a rather important rule in the ''Revised'' core rulebook that made the Defense skill unintelligable.
** The Ivory Edition era was so poorly received that AEG's staff were begging people to stay. It didn't work, and AEG sold the game.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In the immediate aftermath to the Destroyer War, the Empress elevated the Spider to Great Clan status and the storyline jumped forward 20 years. Given how unpopular the Spider Clan's ascension was, both in story and among players, many in the playerbase think a civil war storyline fought over the Spider might have ultimately been a better idea.
* TooCoolToLive: Many. See also AnyoneCanDie, TearJerker, HeroicSacrifice and DroppedABridgeOnHim. Tends to happen in ''actual play'', natch.
* TooCoolToLive: Many. See also AnyoneCanDie, TearJerker, HeroicSacrifice and DroppedABridgeOnHim. Tends to happen in ''actual play'', natch.
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** The build-up to Onyx was like this, relying heavily on the clans in general (and the Crab, Dragon, and Scorpion in particular) not paying attention to what the Spider were up to barely a generation after the Spider were responsible for multiple Emperors' deaths and a coordinated assassination campaign.
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** The build-up to Onyx was like this, relying heavily on the clans in general (and the Crab, Dragon, and Scorpion in particular) not paying attention to what the Spider were up to barely a generation after the Spider were responsible for multiple Emperors' deaths and a coordinated assassination campaign. This amounted to an EpicFail for the Dragon, as not only did the Iweko dynasty allow for all the circumstances for Spider's ascension to the throne, the Dragon Clan in particular had but one task: to monitor the Spider.
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* IdiotBall: Not the Spider themselves, but the other clans tended to act like idiots around them. No matter how blatant the Spider behavior, nobody seemed to notice or take precaution.
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* PromotedFanboy: Almost everybody currently in charge of designing the game or writing its material started out as a player of the CCG or RPG (or both).
** In-story, Toku went from being a peasant, to being a friend in the retinue of a disgraced ronin leader, to being a favored ally after said ronin leader became Emperor, to leading a minor clan. After his death, he was promoted even further to become the Fortune of Virtue. His daughter married into the Scorpion Clan, where she is now leader. Some players consider that if the Scorpion had selected her as a candidate for Emperor, they may have won the Race for the Throne by consciously invoking this trope.
** In-story, Toku went from being a peasant, to being a friend in the retinue of a disgraced ronin leader, to being a favored ally after said ronin leader became Emperor, to leading a minor clan. After his death, he was promoted even further to become the Fortune of Virtue. His daughter married into the Scorpion Clan, where she is now leader. Some players consider that if the Scorpion had selected her as a candidate for Emperor, they may have won the Race for the Throne by consciously invoking this trope.
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** Shoju Bayushi's wife, Kachiko, once asked, revealed to him that she'd been [[YourCheatingHeart having an affair with Hoturi Doji]], and that Shoju [[WhosYourDaddy wasn't their son's father]]. After a tense moment, the boy was brought in, with Kachiko expecting Shoju to kill him. Instead, the maimed Scorpion picked the child up, declared him his heir, and said that, as the child of the woman he loved, he would care for the boy like his own.
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** Shoju Bayushi's wife, Kachiko, once asked, revealed to him that she'd been [[YourCheatingHeart having an affair with Hoturi Doji]], Doji, and that Shoju [[WhosYourDaddy wasn't their son's father]]. After a tense moment, the boy was brought in, with Kachiko expecting Shoju to kill him. Instead, the maimed Scorpion picked the child up, declared him his heir, and said that, as the child of the woman he loved, he would care for the boy like his own.
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* MagnificentBastard: The Scorpion Clan specializes in this trope, but there are plenty to be found among the other clans, as well.
** Including at least one Scorpion-trained Emperor (Toturi III), and an Emerald Champion, Shosuro Jimen.
** ''[[http://l5r.wikia.com/wiki/Tale_of_the_Scorpion_and_the_Frog "I can swim."]]''
** Including at least one Scorpion-trained Emperor (Toturi III), and an Emerald Champion, Shosuro Jimen.
** ''[[http://l5r.wikia.com/wiki/Tale_of_the_Scorpion_and_the_Frog "I can swim."]]''
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** Including at least one Scorpion-trained Emperor (Toturi III), and an Emerald Champion, Shosuro Jimen.
** ''[[http://l5r.wikia.com/wiki/Tale_of_the_Scorpion_and_the_Frog "I can swim."]]''
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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: "A Good Little Wife" - the story of how [[BoisterousBruiser Hida O-ushi]] found her husband.
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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: [[https://lowfierce.com/kazenoshiro/4/wife.htm "A Good Little Wife" Wife"]] - the story of how [[BoisterousBruiser Hida O-ushi]] found her husband.
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* ScrewedByTheLawyers: During the game's tenure at Wizards, the IOC sent legal notice to Wizards that the logo for the game (five interlocking gold rings in a pentagon shape) was a violation of the IOC's treaty-protected copyright of their logo ([[AsYouKnow five interlocking rings of different colors in a "W" shape]]) on the grounds that the treaty claims ''any'' design with five interlocking rings, regardless of orientation or color. Wizards changed the card backs (which prominently featured the logo) to a new design that instead incorporated five independent gold discs. This had the unintended effect of essentially banning any cards produced before the change (for the simple fact that they'd be easy to spot in a hand) unless the player invested in opaque-backed card sleeves.
* TearJerker: Hoturi dying in Kachiko's arms after defeating Fu Leng in the Second Day of Thunder. While she forgives him for killing her son (and though he did not know at the time his son too) during the Scorpion clan Coup and they reaffirm their love for each other.
* TearJerker: Hoturi dying in Kachiko's arms after defeating Fu Leng in the Second Day of Thunder. While she forgives him for killing her son (and though he did not know at the time his son too) during the Scorpion clan Coup and they reaffirm their love for each other.
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* ScrewedByTheLawyers: During the game's tenure at Wizards, the IOC sent legal notice to Wizards that the logo for the game (five interlocking gold rings in a pentagon shape) was a violation of the IOC's treaty-protected copyright of their logo ([[AsYouKnow five interlocking rings of different colors in a "W" shape]]) on the grounds that the treaty claims ''any'' design with five interlocking rings, regardless of orientation or color. Wizards changed the card backs (which prominently featured the logo) to a new design that instead incorporated five independent gold discs. This had the unintended effect of essentially banning any cards produced before the change (for the simple fact that they'd be easy to spot in a hand) unless the player invested in opaque-backed card sleeves.
* TearJerker:TearJerker:
** Hoturi dying in Kachiko's arms after defeating Fu Leng in the Second Day of Thunder. While she forgives him for killing her son (and though he did not know at the time his son too) during the Scorpion clan Coup and they reaffirm their love for each other.
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** Hoturi dying in Kachiko's arms after defeating Fu Leng in the Second Day of Thunder. While she forgives him for killing her son (and though he did not know at the time his son too) during the Scorpion clan Coup and they reaffirm their love for each other.
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*** Kachiko inspires many of these. During the coup, Hoturi proudly kills Bayushi Dairu, the heir to the Scorpion leadership. It isn't until years later, as Hoturi's pondering Kachiko's sudden and passionate hatred for him after years of saying little to one another, that Hoturi realized the truth: Dairu wasn't Shoju's son, but Hoturi's.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In the immediate aftermath to the Destroyer War, the Empress elevated the Spider to Great Clan status and the storyline jumped forward 20 years. Given how unpopular the Spider Clan's ascension was, both in story and among players, many in the playerbase think a civil war storyline fought over the Spider might have ultimately been a better idea.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: The Spider Clan's official clan status proved to be this. Within the clan, Kanpeki's return to embracing the taint as the cost of his wife was either Kanpeki finally becoming as cool as he should have been all along, or removed everything interesting about him in the first place.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: The Spider Clan's official clan status proved to be this. Within the clan, Kanpeki's return to embracing the taint as the cost of his wife was either Kanpeki finally becoming as cool as he should have been all along, or removed removing everything interesting about him in the first place.
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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: "A Good Little Wife" - the story of how [[BoisterousBruiser Hida O-ushi]] found her husband.
* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments:
** When Hida O-Ushi's uncle Tsume scornfully asked her (formerly Unicorn) husband Hida Yasamura whether he would have the resolve to cut O-Ushi down if she was slain and raised as a zombie, Yasamura replied that it would be impossible for him- because if O-Ushi was slain, he would already be dead.
** Of all people, [[MemeticBadass Hida Kisada]] had two: one, when realizing his [[WellDoneSonGuy son Hida Sukune]], whom he had sacrificed to Fu Leng, had returned as a sacred spirit AND forgiven Kisada. Later, after Kisada's own resurrection, he found a previously unknown heir, a Dragon with less concern with battle than with law, and showed the boy favor anyway -- proving that even Kisada can change.
** The InterspeciesRomance between Daini and Mara is a subtle one, but it's really quite sweet -- and very significant, when one remembers that these two had to overcome serious obstacles, including very alien appearances in each other's eyes, completely different racial psychologies, and his own culture's traditions of arranged marriages, stoicism and opposing of romantic love. Yet, despite it all, they managed to fall in genuine love and marry because of that love. "Legacy of the Naga" even has a throwaway line about how Daini is perfectly comfortable allowing Mara to assume her true, tail-slithering form as opposed to needing her to be in her bipedal form, and even enjoys her coiling embrace.
** Shoju Bayushi's wife, Kachiko, once asked, revealed to him that she'd been [[YourCheatingHeart having an affair with Hoturi Doji]], and that Shoju [[WhosYourDaddy wasn't their son's father]]. After a tense moment, the boy was brought in, with Kachiko expecting Shoju to kill him. Instead, the maimed Scorpion picked the child up, declared him his heir, and said that, as the child of the woman he loved, he would care for the boy like his own.
** The legendary Kaiu engineers of the Crab Clan spend most of their time building and maintaining the armor, weapons and siege engines that the Crab rely on for survival, and that's when they're not working on [[TheGreatWall the Great Kaiu Wall]] that separates Rokugan from the Shadowlands. When they have spare time or need a break from the ceaseless grind of war, however, they [[FriendToAllChildren make toys for children.]] People may not like the Crab Clan, but ''no one'' turns down a gift of a Kaiu toy.
* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments:
** When Hida O-Ushi's uncle Tsume scornfully asked her (formerly Unicorn) husband Hida Yasamura whether he would have the resolve to cut O-Ushi down if she was slain and raised as a zombie, Yasamura replied that it would be impossible for him- because if O-Ushi was slain, he would already be dead.
** Of all people, [[MemeticBadass Hida Kisada]] had two: one, when realizing his [[WellDoneSonGuy son Hida Sukune]], whom he had sacrificed to Fu Leng, had returned as a sacred spirit AND forgiven Kisada. Later, after Kisada's own resurrection, he found a previously unknown heir, a Dragon with less concern with battle than with law, and showed the boy favor anyway -- proving that even Kisada can change.
** The InterspeciesRomance between Daini and Mara is a subtle one, but it's really quite sweet -- and very significant, when one remembers that these two had to overcome serious obstacles, including very alien appearances in each other's eyes, completely different racial psychologies, and his own culture's traditions of arranged marriages, stoicism and opposing of romantic love. Yet, despite it all, they managed to fall in genuine love and marry because of that love. "Legacy of the Naga" even has a throwaway line about how Daini is perfectly comfortable allowing Mara to assume her true, tail-slithering form as opposed to needing her to be in her bipedal form, and even enjoys her coiling embrace.
** Shoju Bayushi's wife, Kachiko, once asked, revealed to him that she'd been [[YourCheatingHeart having an affair with Hoturi Doji]], and that Shoju [[WhosYourDaddy wasn't their son's father]]. After a tense moment, the boy was brought in, with Kachiko expecting Shoju to kill him. Instead, the maimed Scorpion picked the child up, declared him his heir, and said that, as the child of the woman he loved, he would care for the boy like his own.
** The legendary Kaiu engineers of the Crab Clan spend most of their time building and maintaining the armor, weapons and siege engines that the Crab rely on for survival, and that's when they're not working on [[TheGreatWall the Great Kaiu Wall]] that separates Rokugan from the Shadowlands. When they have spare time or need a break from the ceaseless grind of war, however, they [[FriendToAllChildren make toys for children.]] People may not like the Crab Clan, but ''no one'' turns down a gift of a Kaiu toy.
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*** It's pretty uncommon to find someone who liked the Destroyer War, as the Spider were the only clan that came off as even slightly competent. Subsequent developments (the Spider becoming a legitimate Great Clan, Daigotsu taking over Jigoku and joining forces with Fu Leng to save the Empire, taint Taint only affecting the willing) have been similarly poorly-received.
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** The Destroyer War, Daigotsu taking over Jigoku and making the taint voluntary, and forcing Iweko to make Spider a Great Clan is being treated as discontinuity as well.
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** The Destroyer War, Daigotsu taking over Jigoku and making the taint Taint voluntary, and forcing Iweko to make Spider a Great Clan is being treated as discontinuity as well.
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: "A Good Little Wife" - the story of how [[BoisterousBruiser Hida O-ushi]] found her husband.
* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments:
** When Hida O-Ushi's uncle Tsume scornfully asked her (formerly Unicorn) husband Hida Yasamura whether he would have the resolve to cut O-Ushi down if she was slain and raised as a zombie, Yasamura replied that it would be impossible for him- because if O-Ushi was slain, he would already be dead.
** Of all people, [[MemeticBadass Hida Kisada]] had two: one, when realizing his [[WellDoneSonGuy son Hida Sukune]], whom he had sacrificed to Fu Leng, had returned as a sacred spirit AND forgiven Kisada. Later, after Kisada's own resurrection, he found a previously unknown heir, a Dragon with less concern with battle than with law, and showed the boy favor anyway -- proving that even Kisada can change.
** The InterspeciesRomance between Daini and Mara is a subtle one, but it's really quite sweet -- and very significant, when one remembers that these two had to overcome serious obstacles, including very alien appearances in each other's eyes, completely different racial psychologies, and his own culture's traditions of arranged marriages, stoicism and opposing of romantic love. Yet, despite it all, they managed to fall in genuine love and marry because of that love. "Legacy of the Naga" even has a throwaway line about how Daini is perfectly comfortable allowing Mara to assume her true, tail-slithering form as opposed to needing her to be in her bipedal form, and even enjoys her coiling embrace.
** Shoju Bayushi's wife, Kachiko, once asked, revealed to him that she'd been [[YourCheatingHeart having an affair with Hoturi Doji]], and that Shoju [[WhosYourDaddy wasn't their son's father]]. After a tense moment, the boy was brought in, with Kachiko expecting Shoju to kill him. Instead, the maimed Scorpion picked the child up, declared him his heir, and said that, as the child of the woman he loved, he would care for the boy like his own.
** The legendary Kaiu engineers of the Crab Clan spend most of their time building and maintaining the armor, weapons and siege engines that the Crab rely on for survival, and that's when they're not working on [[TheGreatWall the Great Kaiu Wall]] that separates Rokugan from the Shadowlands. When they have spare time or need a break from the ceaseless grind of war, however, they [[FriendToAllChildren make toys for children.]] People may not like the Crab Clan, but ''no one'' turns down a gift of a Kaiu toy.
* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments:
** When Hida O-Ushi's uncle Tsume scornfully asked her (formerly Unicorn) husband Hida Yasamura whether he would have the resolve to cut O-Ushi down if she was slain and raised as a zombie, Yasamura replied that it would be impossible for him- because if O-Ushi was slain, he would already be dead.
** Of all people, [[MemeticBadass Hida Kisada]] had two: one, when realizing his [[WellDoneSonGuy son Hida Sukune]], whom he had sacrificed to Fu Leng, had returned as a sacred spirit AND forgiven Kisada. Later, after Kisada's own resurrection, he found a previously unknown heir, a Dragon with less concern with battle than with law, and showed the boy favor anyway -- proving that even Kisada can change.
** The InterspeciesRomance between Daini and Mara is a subtle one, but it's really quite sweet -- and very significant, when one remembers that these two had to overcome serious obstacles, including very alien appearances in each other's eyes, completely different racial psychologies, and his own culture's traditions of arranged marriages, stoicism and opposing of romantic love. Yet, despite it all, they managed to fall in genuine love and marry because of that love. "Legacy of the Naga" even has a throwaway line about how Daini is perfectly comfortable allowing Mara to assume her true, tail-slithering form as opposed to needing her to be in her bipedal form, and even enjoys her coiling embrace.
** Shoju Bayushi's wife, Kachiko, once asked, revealed to him that she'd been [[YourCheatingHeart having an affair with Hoturi Doji]], and that Shoju [[WhosYourDaddy wasn't their son's father]]. After a tense moment, the boy was brought in, with Kachiko expecting Shoju to kill him. Instead, the maimed Scorpion picked the child up, declared him his heir, and said that, as the child of the woman he loved, he would care for the boy like his own.
** The legendary Kaiu engineers of the Crab Clan spend most of their time building and maintaining the armor, weapons and siege engines that the Crab rely on for survival, and that's when they're not working on [[TheGreatWall the Great Kaiu Wall]] that separates Rokugan from the Shadowlands. When they have spare time or need a break from the ceaseless grind of war, however, they [[FriendToAllChildren make toys for children.]] People may not like the Crab Clan, but ''no one'' turns down a gift of a Kaiu toy.
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** In story, Toku went from being a peasant, to being a friend in the retinue of a disgraced ronin leader, to being a favored ally after said ronin leader became Emperor, to leading a minor clan. After his death, he was promoted even further to become the Fortune of Virtue. His daughter married into the Scorpion Clan, where she is now leader. Some players consider that if the Scorpion had selected her as a candidate for Emperor, they may have won the Race for the Throne by consciously invoking this trope.
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** In story, In-story, Toku went from being a peasant, to being a friend in the retinue of a disgraced ronin leader, to being a favored ally after said ronin leader became Emperor, to leading a minor clan. After his death, he was promoted even further to become the Fortune of Virtue. His daughter married into the Scorpion Clan, where she is now leader. Some players consider that if the Scorpion had selected her as a candidate for Emperor, they may have won the Race for the Throne by consciously invoking this trope.
