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** That one major contributor (Zak Smith) is a known abuser, one (in)famous adventure featured lots of racism, sexual violence, and sexual assault (Blood in the Chocolate, so infamous that TabletopGame/{{Lancer}} refused to participate in the Ennie awards over it winning an award), and the creator's aforementioned violence towards women (one based on his ex) makes [=LofTP=] a divisive work, typical of arguments around the OSR: on one hand, the adventures are often mindbending subversions of typical RPG cliches, but on the other, the edginess and constant things that out right kill you in the aforementioned adventures drive away a lot of people.

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** That one major contributor (Zak Smith) is a known abuser, that one (in)famous adventure featured lots of racism, sexual violence, and sexual assault (Blood (''Blood in the Chocolate, Chocolate'', so infamous that TabletopGame/{{Lancer}} even before the author disowned it, the creators of ''TabletopGame/{{Lancer}}'' refused to participate in the Ennie awards over it ''[=BitC=]'' winning an award), and the creator's Raggi's aforementioned portrayals of violence towards women (one based on his ex) makes all make [=LofTP=] a divisive work, typical of arguments around the OSR: on one hand, the adventures are often mindbending subversions of typical RPG cliches, but on the other, the edginess and constant things that out right kill you in the aforementioned adventures drive away a lot of people.
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** That one major contributor (Zak Smith) is a known abuser, one (in)famous adventure featured lots of racism, sexual violence, and sexual assault (Blood in the Chocolate, so infamous that TabletopGame/{{Lancer}} refused to participate in the Ennie awards over it winning an award), and the creator's aforementioned violence towards women (one based on his ex) makes [=LofTP=] a divisive work, typical of arguments around the OSR: on one hand, the adventures are often mindbending subversions of typical RPG cliches, but on the other, the edginess and constant things that out right kill you in the aforementioned adventures drive away lot of people.

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** That one major contributor (Zak Smith) is a known abuser, one (in)famous adventure featured lots of racism, sexual violence, and sexual assault (Blood in the Chocolate, so infamous that TabletopGame/{{Lancer}} refused to participate in the Ennie awards over it winning an award), and the creator's aforementioned violence towards women (one based on his ex) makes [=LofTP=] a divisive work, typical of arguments around the OSR: on one hand, the adventures are often mindbending subversions of typical RPG cliches, but on the other, the edginess and constant things that out right kill you in the aforementioned adventures drive away a lot of people.
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** That one major contributor (Zak Smith) is a known abuser, one (in)famous adventure featured lots of racism, sexual violence, and sexual assault (Blood in the Chocolate, so infamous that TabletopGame/{{Lancer}} refused to participate in the Ennie awards over it winning an award), and the creator's aforementioned violence towards women (one based on his ex) makes [=LofTP=] a divisive work, typical of arguments around the OSR: on one hand, the adventures are often mindbending subversions of typical RPG cliches, but on the other, the edginess and constant things that out right kill you in the aforementioned adventures drive away lot of people.
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** The game's bend towards violence and depravity is noted to be effective for horror, but the sheer ''depth'' of said depravity is often called into question as being truly necessary. There's also some debate about whether or not the depiction of violence against women is keeping within the game's dark tone and an aversion of MenAreTheExpendableGender, or if it carries some UnfortunateImplications of its own (especially considering the titular Flame Princess, who has lots of artwork of her being butchered or gravely wounded in some way, has been mentioned as being based off of the author's ''ex-girlfriend'').

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** The game's bend towards violence and depravity is noted to be effective for horror, but the sheer ''depth'' of said depravity is often called into question as being truly necessary. There's also some debate about whether or not the depiction of violence against women is keeping within the game's dark tone and an aversion of MenAreTheExpendableGender, or if it carries some UnfortunateImplications unsettling subtext of its own (especially considering the titular Flame Princess, who has lots of artwork of her being butchered or gravely wounded in some way, has been mentioned as being based off of the author's ''ex-girlfriend'').
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* ParanoiaFuel:
** Changelings not only mimic people perfectly down to memories and personality, but also produce a confusion effect when they transform that makes it impossible to tell which of the two identical people is the original. If a player character gets copied, even the ''player'' doesn't know whether they're currently playing their original character or the copy.
** The chapter on the dErO in ''Veins of the Earth'' is ''full'' of this stuff - descriptions of various mind control techniques that you may or may not have already been exposed to, {{Suspiciously Specific Denial}}s about what the dErO may be up to, suspicion machines, conspiracy pills...

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%%* NightmareFuel: Much of the artwork that accompanies the Grindhouse Edition box set is High Octane Nightmare Fuel, especially one zombie's wandering hands.
%%** Or the "Birth" picture. Or the Medusa. One of those three gets everyone I've ever handed the book to put it down for a bit.
%%** The artwork in general, and those three pics in particular, was disturbing enough to catch the attention of Website/SomethingAwful, leading to quite the bit of controversy.

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%%* * NightmareFuel: Much of the artwork that accompanies the Grindhouse Edition box set is High Octane Nightmare Fuel, Fuel. One especially one zombie's wandering hands.
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notable image features a large monster forcing its way out of a very swollen woman's womb, while another monster eats the "Birth" picture. Or the Medusa. One of those three gets everyone I've ever handed the book to put it down for a bit.
%%** The artwork in general,
woman's breast, and those three pics in particular, was disturbing enough to catch the attention of Website/SomethingAwful, leading to quite the bit of controversy.five nude women impale a man with a sword. Website/SomethingAwful takes a closer look at that, along with several other such {{Gorn}}-filled images [[https://www.somethingawful.com/dungeons-and-dragons/lamentations-flame-princess/1/ here]].


* OvershadowedByControversy: [[https://www.geeknative.com/74343/ennies-controversy-kiel-chenier-blood-in-the-chocolate-author-disowns-the-adventure/ In July 2020]], amidst all of the political upheaval of the Black Lives Matter movement, the author of the ''Blood in the Chocolate'' adventure disowned it, labeling it as loaded with political and racial insensitivity that the author just didn't knew was so awful at the time of writing and even going so far as swearing the adventure would never see a reprint once the rights came back to them in 2021.
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* RatedMForMoney: The game's creator admits that style isn't the only reason he chooses shocking art and subjects. This is also a factor in him re-printing ''Carcosa'', an already-controversial setting, owing to the various vile acts required to perform sorcerous rituals.

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* RatedMForMoney: The game's creator admits that style isn't the only reason he chooses shocking art and subjects. This is also a factor in him re-printing ''Carcosa'', an already-controversial setting, setting owing to the various vile acts required to perform sorcerous rituals.
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Elaborated on the Carcosa namedrop as requested in an earlier edit reason, and reworded the sentence to tie it into the overall example.


* RatedMForMoney: The game's creator admits that style isn't the only reason he chooses shocking art and subjects. He also re-printed one of the most controversial books in RPG history, Carcosa.

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* RatedMForMoney: The game's creator admits that style isn't the only reason he chooses shocking art and subjects. He This is also re-printed one of a factor in him re-printing ''Carcosa'', an already-controversial setting, owing to the most controversial books in RPG history, Carcosa.various vile acts required to perform sorcerous rituals.
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** The game's bend towards violence and depravity is noted to be effective for horror, but the sheer ''depth'' of said depravity is often called into question as being truly necessary. There's also some debate about whether or not the depiction of violence against women is keeping within the game's dark tone and an aversion of MenAreTheExpendableGender, or if it carries some UnfortunateImplications of it's own (especially considering the titular Flame Princess, who has lots of artwork of her being butchered or gravely wounded in some way, has been mentioned as being based off of the authors ''ex-girlfriend'').

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** The game's bend towards violence and depravity is noted to be effective for horror, but the sheer ''depth'' of said depravity is often called into question as being truly necessary. There's also some debate about whether or not the depiction of violence against women is keeping within the game's dark tone and an aversion of MenAreTheExpendableGender, or if it carries some UnfortunateImplications of it's its own (especially considering the titular Flame Princess, who has lots of artwork of her being butchered or gravely wounded in some way, has been mentioned as being based off of the authors author's ''ex-girlfriend'').
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* OvershadowedByControversy: [[https://www.geeknative.com/74343/ennies-controversy-kiel-chenier-blood-in-the-chocolate-author-disowns-the-adventure/ In July 2020]], amidst all of the political upheaval of the Black Lives Matter movement, the author of the ''Blood in the Chocolate'' adventure disowned it, labeling it as loaded with political and racial insensitivity that the author just didn't knew was so awful at the time of writing and even going so far as swearing the adventure would never see a reprint once the rights came back to them in 2021. This is one of various events that called to attention a degree of racial tone-deafness in the tabletop roleplaying movement that affects even classics like ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''' ''TabletopGame/{{Ravenloft}}'' setting.

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* OvershadowedByControversy: [[https://www.geeknative.com/74343/ennies-controversy-kiel-chenier-blood-in-the-chocolate-author-disowns-the-adventure/ In July 2020]], amidst all of the political upheaval of the Black Lives Matter movement, the author of the ''Blood in the Chocolate'' adventure disowned it, labeling it as loaded with political and racial insensitivity that the author just didn't knew was so awful at the time of writing and even going so far as swearing the adventure would never see a reprint once the rights came back to them in 2021. This is one of various events that called to attention a degree of racial tone-deafness in the tabletop roleplaying movement that affects even classics like ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''' ''TabletopGame/{{Ravenloft}}'' setting.
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This isn't a YMMV trope, and I'm not really sure it's the right trope either. Killer Game Master on the main page seems to fit it better.


* RatedMForMoney: The game's creator admits that style isn't the only reason he chooses shocking art and subjects. He also re-printed one of the most controversial books in RPG history, Carcosa.
* VanityProject: Much of the game's NintendoHard factor seems to come from a desire to punish players who don't take it as SeriousBusiness and/or a life's work.

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* RatedMForMoney: The game's creator admits that style isn't the only reason he chooses shocking art and subjects. He also re-printed one of the most controversial books in RPG history, Carcosa.
* VanityProject: Much of the game's NintendoHard factor seems to come from a desire to punish players who don't take it as SeriousBusiness and/or a life's work.
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* BrokenBase: The game encourages some extremely suspect GM practices that constitute being a KillerGameMaster, and many of the modules have explicit no-win scenarios. This has led to the game's difficulty becoming the subject of debate among tabletop players, especially since the setting and mechanics tend to GrimDark campaigns. Is the game's willingness to enable the Killer Game Master style interesting and a fun throwback to older pen and paper systems where such a thing was commonplace, or is it an outdated and frustrating style of play that was left behind for a reason? The main crux seems to be whether you believe the game is a ''TabletopGame/CallOfCthulhu'' style horror trek or a legitimate fantasy adventure, since the game has a pretty serious identity crisis about what it actually ''is.''
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* OvershadowedByControversy: [[https://www.geeknative.com/74343/ennies-controversy-kiel-chenier-blood-in-the-chocolate-author-disowns-the-adventure/ In July 2020]], amidst all of the political upheaval of the Black Lives Matter movement, the author of the ''Blood in the Chocolate'' adventure disowned it, labeling it as loaded with political and racial insensitivity that the author just didn't knew was so awful at the time of writing and even going so far as swearing the adventure would never see a reprint once the rights came back to them in 2021. This is one of various events that called to attention a degree of racial tone-deafness in the tabletop roleplaying movement that affects even classics like ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''' ''TabletopGame/{{Ravenloft}}'' setting.
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* RatedMForMoney: The game's creator admits that style isn't the only reason he chooses shocking art and subjects. He also re-printed one of the most controversial books in RPG history, Carcosa.

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* RatedMForMoney: The game's creator admits that style isn't the only reason he chooses shocking art and subjects. He also re-printed one of the most controversial books in RPG history, Carcosa.Carcosa.
* VanityProject: Much of the game's NintendoHard factor seems to come from a desire to punish players who don't take it as SeriousBusiness and/or a life's work.

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* CompleteMonster:
** The Pale Lady is a ruthless [[TheFairFolk Fay]] who has [[WouldHurtAChild children]] kidnapped to use as slave labor until death or she finds no use for them, with the boys [[CripplingCastration turned into eunuchs]] to better serve. Many of the firstborn children taken by the Pale Lady are sacrificed so she may obtain her powers, her supply of rabbit-men soldiers propagated by her [[SerialRapist raping human men]] she finds appealing before using the offspring as disposable CannonFodder.
** ''Blood in the Chocolate'': [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Lucia de Castillo]] enslaves a tribe of pygmies for their Cocoa tree with the belief she is a god so that she may create a [[ICantBelieveItsNotHeroin delicious, addictive chocolate]] to control the trade across Europe. Allowing her pygmies to torture and sacrifice many people, Lucia uses others for her [[PlayingWithSyringes sick experiments]], including [[WouldHurtAChild children]], who she infects with plagues and with her candy so that deadly and agonizing side effects can be observed. Others are kept as {{sex slave}}s during the experiments so that Lucia can use their bodies for her own pleasure.

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Not YMMV, Commenting out examples with no explanation, removing first person, and does anybody know why Carcosa was controversial? This entry doesn't say.


* ContractualGenreBlindness: One of the main flaws of the published modules.
** As an example, in ''Death Frost Doom'', the players are required to spend a day climbing a mountain, ignore the warnings of the old man, and then pass through a massive graveyard which can drive the players mad just by staying there in order to get to the abandoned Cult stronghold.
* NightmareFuel: Much of the artwork that accompanies the Grindhouse Edition box set is High Octane Nightmare Fuel, especially one zombie's wandering hands.
** Or the "Birth" picture. Or the Medusa. One of those three gets everyone I've ever handed the book to put it down for a bit.
** The artwork in general, and those three pics in particular, was disturbing enough to catch the attention of Website/SomethingAwful, leading to quite the bit of controversy.
* RatedMForMoney: The game's creator admits that style isn't the only reason he chooses shocking art and subjects. See NightmareFuel, above; he also re-printed one of the most controversial books in RPG history, Carcosa.

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* ContractualGenreBlindness: One of the main flaws of the published modules.
** As an example, in ''Death Frost Doom'', the players are required to spend a day climbing a mountain, ignore the warnings of the old man, and then pass through a massive graveyard which can drive the players mad just by staying there in order to get to the abandoned Cult stronghold.
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%%* NightmareFuel: Much of the artwork that accompanies the Grindhouse Edition box set is High Octane Nightmare Fuel, especially one zombie's wandering hands.
** %%** Or the "Birth" picture. Or the Medusa. One of those three gets everyone I've ever handed the book to put it down for a bit.
** %%** The artwork in general, and those three pics in particular, was disturbing enough to catch the attention of Website/SomethingAwful, leading to quite the bit of controversy.
* RatedMForMoney: The game's creator admits that style isn't the only reason he chooses shocking art and subjects. See NightmareFuel, above; he He also re-printed one of the most controversial books in RPG history, Carcosa.
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* ContractualGenreBlindess: One of the main flaws of the published modules.

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* ContractualGenreBlindess: One of the main flaws of the published modules.
** As an example, in ''Death Frost Doom'', the players are required to spend a day climbing a mountain, ignore the warnings of the old man, and then pass through a massive graveyard which can drive the players mad just by staying there in order to get to the abandoned Cult stronghold.
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** The artwork in general, and those three pics in particular, was disturbing enough to catch the attention of SomethingAwful, leading to quite the bit of controversy.

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** The artwork in general, and those three pics in particular, was disturbing enough to catch the attention of SomethingAwful, Website/SomethingAwful, leading to quite the bit of controversy.
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Should have been in Trivia


* DevelopmentHell: ''Insect Shrine of Goblin Hill'' languished unpublished for roughly half a decade before being published as a part of ''Better Than Any Man''.
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* DevelopmentHell: ''Insect Shrine of Goblin Hill'' languished unpublished for roughly half a decade before being published as a part of ''Better Than Any Man''.
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** The artwork in general, particularly the three pics in particular, was disturbing enough to catch the attention of SomethingAwful.

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** The artwork in general, particularly the and those three pics in particular, was disturbing enough to catch the attention of SomethingAwful.SomethingAwful, leading to quite the bit of controversy.

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* RatedMForMoney: The game's creator admits that style isn't the only reason he chooses shocking art and subjects.. See Nightmare Fuel, above; he also re-printed one of the most controversial books in RPG history, Carcosa.

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** The artwork in general, particularly the three pics in particular, was disturbing enough to catch the attention of SomethingAwful.
* RatedMForMoney: The game's creator admits that style isn't the only reason he chooses shocking art and subjects.. subjects. See Nightmare Fuel, NightmareFuel, above; he also re-printed one of the most controversial books in RPG history, Carcosa.
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* Nightmare Fuel: Much of the artwork that accompanies the Grindhouse Edition box set is High Octane Nightmare Fuel, especially one zombie's wandering hands.

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* Nightmare Fuel: NightmareFuel: Much of the artwork that accompanies the Grindhouse Edition box set is High Octane Nightmare Fuel, especially one zombie's wandering hands.



* RatedMForMoney: The game's creator admits that style isn't the only reason he chooses shocking art and subjects.. See Nightmare Fuel, above; he also re-printed one of the most controversial books in RPG history, Caracosa.

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* RatedMForMoney: The game's creator admits that style isn't the only reason he chooses shocking art and subjects.. See Nightmare Fuel, above; he also re-printed one of the most controversial books in RPG history, Caracosa.Carcosa.
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Moved Nightmare fuel from main page, added comment and Rated M for Money

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* Nightmare Fuel: Much of the artwork that accompanies the Grindhouse Edition box set is High Octane Nightmare Fuel, especially one zombie's wandering hands.
** Or the "Birth" picture. Or the Medusa. One of those three gets everyone I've ever handed the book to put it down for a bit.
* RatedMForMoney: The game's creator admits that style isn't the only reason he chooses shocking art and subjects.. See Nightmare Fuel, above; he also re-printed one of the most controversial books in RPG history, Caracosa.

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