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* MemeticMutation: "APATHY IS DEATH."[[labelnote:Explanation]]One memorable moment in the Secret tomb on Korriban involves being forced to choose between Kreia or your companions, with the knowledge that she's a Dark Jedi. Trying to shrug off the illusion has ''everyone'' echo this line and turn hostile.[[/labelnote]]

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"APATHY IS DEATH."[[labelnote:Explanation]]One memorable moment in the Secret tomb on Korriban involves being forced to choose between Kreia or your companions, with the knowledge that she's a Dark Jedi. Trying to shrug off the illusion has ''everyone'' echo this line and turn hostile.[[/labelnote]]
** Influence Lost: Kreia [[labelnote:Explanation]]Kreia is rather infamous for her tendency to criticize the player for their choices. Quite a few players were irritated with her approach and believe that she is determined on bashing the Exile no matter what they do. That reputation might not be entirely deserved, as there ''are'' ways to gain influence with Kreia -- sometimes all you need to do is say that you will consider her opinion -- but that doesn't stop the fanbase from creating memes regarding her unreasonable standards.
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** Taking everything Kreia said about Revan as fact. Certainly, Revan was more complicated than the Jedi portray in the first (and second) games, but you have to keep in mind that you're getting this story from someone who lied to you on your first meeting, ruthlessly manipulates your party members through emotional blackmail and MindRape, is extremely biased when it comes to Revan given that he was one of her best and most favourite pupils, and [[spoiler:calls herself the Lord of Betrayal with pride]]. While the evidence certainly supports Revan going for something more complex than standard WorldDomination (it is a fact that Revan's conquest was rather ''surgical'', keeping the infrastructure of the Republic intact), it's still wise to view her interpretation of Revan's fall with a critical eye.

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** Taking everything Kreia said about Revan as fact. Certainly, Revan was more complicated than the Jedi portray in the first (and second) games, but you have to keep in mind that you're getting this story from someone who lied to you on your first meeting, ruthlessly manipulates your party members through emotional blackmail and MindRape, is extremely biased when it comes to Revan given that he was one of her best and most favourite pupils, and [[spoiler:calls herself the Lord of Betrayal with pride]]. While the evidence certainly supports Revan going for something more complex than standard WorldDomination [[TakeOverTheWorld world domination]] (it is a fact that Revan's conquest was rather ''surgical'', keeping the infrastructure of the Republic intact), it's still wise to view her interpretation of Revan's fall with a critical eye.


** Likewise, it's possible to get to maximum influence with both Kreia and Atton by exploting holes in the conversation system (asking Kreia about Visas' homeworld with a high Intelligence, and having Atton during a scripted event on Nar Shaddaa) to max them out in minutes.

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** Likewise, it's possible to get to maximum influence with both Kreia and Atton by exploting exploiting holes in the conversation system (asking Kreia about Visas' homeworld with a high Intelligence, and having Atton during a scripted event on Nar Shaddaa) to max them out in minutes.



** On Korriban, checking the corpses, with or without picking up their loot, causes the stealthed Hssiss to spawn and attack you. This only happens once per corpse, but one particular corpse is missing this limitation. In a game where you normally have a finite amount of experience available, fighting the Hssiss indefinitely lets you grind to your heart's content.



* MemeticMutation: "APATHY IS DEATH."

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* MemeticMutation: "APATHY IS DEATH.""[[labelnote:Explanation]]One memorable moment in the Secret tomb on Korriban involves being forced to choose between Kreia or your companions, with the knowledge that she's a Dark Jedi. Trying to shrug off the illusion has ''everyone'' echo this line and turn hostile.[[/labelnote]]



** The first fight with Hanharr on the Light Side path of Nar Shadaa. You control Mira, who is specialized for ranged combat, while Hanharr himself is a melee powerhouse. Expect to perform a lot of hit-and-run. It's even worse if you plan to initiate her as a Jedi, since you'll be intentionally fighting him while underlevelled.

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** The first fight with Hanharr on the Light Side path of Nar Shadaa. You control Mira, who is specialized for ranged combat, while Hanharr himself is a melee powerhouse. Expect to perform a lot of hit-and-run. It's even worse if you plan to initiate [[spoiler:initiate her as a Jedi, Jedi]], since you'll be intentionally fighting him while underlevelled.



** The second mission to Dxun/Onderon plays out in a similar vein as the above, although slightly less annoying. ''Slightly''.

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** The second mission to Dxun/Onderon plays out in a similar vein as the above, although slightly less annoying. ''Slightly''. You will have to command a separate team as they raid Dxun, but you at least have some ability to pick and choose who goes.



* ThatOneSidequest: Winning against the Handmaidens at sparing, without exploiting the AIBreaker. You must fight them one-on-one without any armor, weapons and no Force powers. The final match is against all five with any weapons and Force powers, but still without any armor. Good luck if you started the game as [[JackOfAllStats a Sentinel]]. Their saving throws are pretty good and their fists are deadly.

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* ThatOneSidequest: Winning against the Handmaidens at sparing, sparring, without exploiting the AIBreaker. You must fight them one-on-one without any armor, weapons and no Force powers. The final match is against all five with any weapons and Force powers, but still without any armor. You also get only one attempt at this, not counting any SaveScumming. Good luck if you started the game as [[JackOfAllStats a Sentinel]]. Their saving throws are pretty good and their fists are deadly.


** The Handmaiden. She has five older sisters who constantly belittle her by saying she is the Last, least-skilled among them, which given their emphasis on combat ability probably means they beat her up a lot.[[note]]When you first approach a Sister for training, she mentions that they haven't had another "target" in some time.[[/note]] They even verbally abuse her to strangers, and she's not happy when you tell her they've expressed this opinion. Plus she's a bastard child and a living mark of her late father's dishonor; she has no memory of her Jedi mother and gloms onto Atris instead, a fact that Atris is quick to manipulate. And then Atris lies to the sisters that the Handmaiden ran away with the Exile, which [[spoiler:leads to all five of them trying to kill her. And then ''Atris'' tries to kill her]]. Handmaiden deals with most of this pretty stoically.

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** The Handmaiden. She has five older sisters who constantly belittle her by saying she is the Last, least-skilled among them, which given their emphasis on combat ability probably means they beat her up a lot.[[note]]When you first approach a Sister for training, she mentions that they haven't had another "target" in some time.[[/note]] They even verbally abuse her to strangers, and she's not happy when you tell her they've expressed this opinion. Plus she's a bastard child and a living mark of her late father's dishonor; she has no memory of her Jedi mother [[note]] Worse, there are several hints that said mother might be ''Kreia.'' Yikes! [[/note]] and gloms onto Atris instead, a fact that Atris is quick to manipulate. And then Atris lies to the sisters that the Handmaiden ran away with the Exile, which [[spoiler:leads to all five of them trying to kill her. And then ''Atris'' tries to kill her]]. Handmaiden deals with most of this pretty stoically.


** The game as a whole. It is often considered to be either a horribly incomplete mess, or a sufficiently awesome sequel; perhaps better than its predecessor. Some of the people who criticize the game even say that it could have been better than ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' if Obsidian was actually [[ExecutiveMeddling given enough time to finish the game]]. Or allowed to patch it like they wanted after its release.

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** The game as a whole. It is often considered to be either a horribly incomplete mess, or a sufficiently awesome sequel; perhaps better {{even better| sequel}} than its predecessor. Some of the people who criticize the game even say that it could have been better than ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' if Obsidian was actually [[ExecutiveMeddling given enough time to finish the game]]. Or allowed to patch it like they wanted after its release.


** Kreia, being a ConsummateLiar and UnreliableExpositor, is subject to a lot of this. Her stated goal is [[spoiler:to kill the Force, believing it to be a cruel god that has caused unending pain and suffering to bend the Galaxy to its ineffable "will", and she wants to free the Galaxy from it]]. However, some believe that [[spoiler:what she's really trying to do is have the Exile rebuild the Jedi Order free of its past corruption and mistakes or just make them a worthy companion for Revan against the real Sith]].

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** Kreia, being a ConsummateLiar and UnreliableExpositor, is subject to a lot of this. Her stated goal is [[spoiler:to kill the Force, believing it to be a cruel god that has caused unending pain and suffering to bend the Galaxy to its ineffable "will", and she wants to free the Galaxy from it]]. However, some believe that [[spoiler:what she's really trying to do is have the Exile rebuild the Jedi Order free of its past corruption and mistakes or just make them a worthy companion for Revan against the real Sith]]. It doesn't help that she claims both at different times (more explicitly in restored content); it's entirely possible [[XanatosGambit she'd be happy either way.]]


* FriendlyFandoms: This video game shares its nature as an InternalDeconstruction of ''Franchise/StarWars'' with ''Film/TheLastJedi''. It's been noted that fans of the intentionally controversial latter film are also often fans of ''[=KOTOR2=]''.

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** The masked Mandalore who sounds and acts exactly like Canderous Ordo? Yeah, it's Canderous Ordo.


* FriendlyFandoms: This video game shares its nature as an InternalDeconstruction of ''Franchise/StarWars'' with ''Film/TheLastJedi''. It's been noted that fans of the intentionally controversial latter film are also often fans of ''[=KOTOR2=]''.



** There's a sidequest on Nar Shadda that gives [=T3-M4=] a special energy shield with unlimited uses. It has no cooldown, either, so you can reactivate the shield the moment it goes down, making T3 NighInvulnerable to energy weapons as long as you're paying attention. The three [=HK-50s=] that confront you later in the level use ''only'' energy weapons. [[CurbStompBattle You can imagine the result.]]

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** There's a sidequest on Nar Shadda Shaddaa that gives [=T3-M4=] a special energy shield with unlimited uses. It has no cooldown, either, so you can reactivate the shield the moment it goes down, making T3 NighInvulnerable to energy weapons as long as you're paying attention. The three [=HK-50s=] that confront you later in the level use ''only'' energy weapons. [[CurbStompBattle You can imagine the result.]]


* RootingForTheEmpire: Again, it's still a hot topic of debate as to if Kreia may have been right. If she miscalculated, it could have destroyed most (possibly all) life in the galaxy, and the survivors ending up like the Vong. If she was right, however, then defeating her doomed the galaxy to being manipulated by TheForce, which is little more than a cruel, sadistic entity feeling on warfare and death by PlayingBothSides. And as we see in later stories set in both canons, the galaxy is still on fire with a death toll in the trillions while TheForce ([[Film/TheLastJedi and the arms dealers]]) are still merrily PlayingBothSides.

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* RootingForTheEmpire: Again, it's still a hot topic of debate as to if Kreia may have been right. If she miscalculated, it could have destroyed most (possibly all) life in the galaxy, and the survivors ending up like the Vong. If she was right, however, then defeating her doomed the galaxy to being manipulated by TheForce, which is little more than a cruel, sadistic entity feeling feeding on warfare and death by PlayingBothSides. And as we see in later stories set in both canons, the galaxy is still on fire with a death toll in the trillions while TheForce ([[Film/TheLastJedi and the arms dealers]]) are still merrily PlayingBothSides.


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* JerkassWoobie:
** Hanharr.
** Kreia is a nihilistic jerk, but she didn't deserve the beating and implied rape that Darth Sion gave her.

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** Hanharr.
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JerkassWoobie: Kreia is a nihilistic jerk, but she didn't deserve the beating and implied rape that Darth Sion gave her.


* HypeBacklash: A factor into it not having the same impact as its predecessor. A sequel to an acclaimed Creator/BioWare title would've gotten fans talking, but the ChristmasRushed nature of the game and the deconstructive nature undoubtedly turned some people off.


** Bao-dur is arguably the least effective companion to make a Jedi, due to his inability to wear robes, or the few armors that don't restrict force powers. His focus towards tech based skills also makes him a less viable Guardian Handmaiden.

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** Bao-dur is arguably the least effective companion to make a Jedi, due to his inability to wear robes, or the few armors that don't restrict force powers. His focus towards tech based skills also makes skills, lower hit points, and the fact that using a lightsaber prevents him from using his barrier breaking ability, make him a less viable Guardian Handmaiden.than Handmaiden overall.



* VindicatedByHistory: Despite favorable sales and reviews, the game was infamously divisive among fans for being a gigantic DeconstructorFleet, which challenged just about every part of Star Wars and even [[GenreDeconstruction role-playing games as a genre]]. It didn't help that it was incredibly rushed in order to meet a holiday release date, with numerous bugs and about ''a third of the game'' cut out in order to meet the release. Years later, fans would come to love the game for its unique perspective and narrative which challenged the perceived nature of the Force, and the ever fighting Jedi and Sith. Its reputation is further helped by ''The Sith Lords Restoration Mod'', which restores basically all of the game's missing content.

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* VindicatedByHistory: Despite favorable sales and reviews, the game was infamously divisive among fans for being a gigantic DeconstructorFleet, which challenged just about every part of Star Wars and even [[GenreDeconstruction role-playing games as a genre]]. It didn't help that it was incredibly rushed in order to meet a holiday release date, with numerous bugs and about ''a third of the game'' cut out in order to meet the release. Years later, fans would come to love the game for its unique perspective and narrative which challenged the perceived nature of the Force, and the ever fighting Jedi and Sith. Its reputation is further helped by ''The Sith Lords Restoration Mod'', which restores basically all of the game's missing content. The game has since been picked up by Steam, with full mod support, bringing it to the attention of many new players.


** Bao-dur is less viable as a Jedi than other characters. His inability to wear robes, or the few armors that don't restrict force powers hurt his abilities as a force user, while his focus towards tech skills makes him a less effective Guardian than Handmaiden.

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** Bao-dur is less viable as arguably the least effective companion to make a Jedi than other characters. His Jedi, due to his inability to wear robes, or the few armors that don't restrict force powers hurt his abilities as a force user, while his powers. His focus towards tech based skills also makes him a less effective viable Guardian than Handmaiden. Handmaiden.

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