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* ValuesResonance: An odd example, crossing with HarsherInHindsight and HeartwarmingInHindsight; Waller has made it clear that Bruce Wanye wouldn't last, but there would always be another Batman thanks to Terry. This has a number of real-life parallels that hit closer to home following the deaths of Creator/AdamWest and Creator/KevinConroy, the actors of the most influential versions of the Caped Crusader on the small screen. Much like Terry, though, there have been a number of other actors who have also portrayed Batman, both in animated and live-action forms.

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* ValuesResonance: An odd example, crossing with HarsherInHindsight and HeartwarmingInHindsight; Waller has made it clear that Bruce Wanye Wayne wouldn't last, but there would always be another Batman thanks to Terry. This has a number of real-life parallels that hit closer to home following the deaths of Creator/AdamWest and Creator/KevinConroy, the actors of the most influential versions of the Caped Crusader on the small screen. Much like Terry, though, there have been a number of other actors who have also portrayed Batman, both in animated and live-action forms.

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* AssPull: A common criticism of the episode is that the reveal that Terry is Bruce's son had no build up until this very episode (besides his hair color) and [[GambitRoulette Waller's plan runs on contrived coincidences]].

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* AssPull: A common criticism of the episode is that the reveal that Terry is Bruce's son had no build up build-up until this very episode (besides his hair color) and [[GambitRoulette Waller's plan runs on contrived coincidences]].


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* ValuesResonance: An odd example, crossing with HarsherInHindsight and HeartwarmingInHindsight; Waller has made it clear that Bruce Wanye wouldn't last, but there would always be another Batman thanks to Terry. This has a number of real-life parallels that hit closer to home following the deaths of Creator/AdamWest and Creator/KevinConroy, the actors of the most influential versions of the Caped Crusader on the small screen. Much like Terry, though, there have been a number of other actors who have also portrayed Batman, both in animated and live-action forms.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Since it's never revealed what originally caused the divorce of Terry's parents in the original WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond series, a common assumption is that Warren accused Mary of infidelity due to both Terry and his younger brother Matt having black hair, and Terry having blue eyes. Traits possessed by neither the brown haired/dark eyed Warren or the red haired/dark eyed Mary, but rather by [[spoiler:their true biological father: Bruce Wayne]]. Though Amanda Waller chose not to have Terry's parents murdered in the end, she ultimately may have destroyed their marriage.

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* HarsherInHindsight: Since it's never revealed what originally caused the divorce of Terry's parents in the original WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond series, a common assumption made due to this episode is that Warren accused Mary of infidelity due to both Terry and his younger brother Matt having black hair, and Terry having blue eyes. Traits possessed by neither the brown haired/dark eyed Warren or the red haired/dark eyed Mary, but rather by [[spoiler:their true biological father: Bruce Wayne]]. Though Amanda Waller chose not to have Terry's parents murdered in the end, she ultimately may have destroyed their marriage.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Since it's never revealed what originally caused the divorce of Terry's parents in the original WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond series, a common assumption is that Warren accused Mary of infidelity due to both Terry and his younger brother Matt having black hair, and Terry having blue eyes. Traits possessed by neither the brown haired/dark eyed Warren or the red haired/dark eyed Mary, but rather by [[spoiler:their biological father, Bruce Wayne]]. Though Amanda Waller chose not to have Terry's parents murdered in the end, she ultimately may have destroyed their marriage.

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* HarsherInHindsight: Since it's never revealed what originally caused the divorce of Terry's parents in the original WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond series, a common assumption is that Warren accused Mary of infidelity due to both Terry and his younger brother Matt having black hair, and Terry having blue eyes. Traits possessed by neither the brown haired/dark eyed Warren or the red haired/dark eyed Mary, but rather by [[spoiler:their true biological father, father: Bruce Wayne]]. Though Amanda Waller chose not to have Terry's parents murdered in the end, she ultimately may have destroyed their marriage.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Since it's never revealed what originally caused the divorce of Terry's parents in the original WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond series, a common assumption is that Warren accused Mary of infidelity due to both Terry and his younger brother Matt having black hair, and Terry having blue eyes. Traits possessed by neither the brown haired/dark eyed Warren or the red haired/dark eyed Mary, but rather by [[spoiler:they're biological father, Bruce Wayne]]. Though Amanda Waller chose not to have the McGinnis' murdered in the end, she ultimately may have destroyed their marriage.

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* HarsherInHindsight: Since it's never revealed what originally caused the divorce of Terry's parents in the original WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond series, a common assumption is that Warren accused Mary of infidelity due to both Terry and his younger brother Matt having black hair, and Terry having blue eyes. Traits possessed by neither the brown haired/dark eyed Warren or the red haired/dark eyed Mary, but rather by [[spoiler:they're [[spoiler:their biological father, Bruce Wayne]]. Though Amanda Waller chose not to have the McGinnis' Terry's parents murdered in the end, she ultimately may have destroyed their marriage.
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*HarsherInHindsight: Since it's never revealed what originally caused the divorce of Terry's parents in the original WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond series, a common assumption is that Warren accused Mary of infidelity due to both Terry and his younger brother Matt having black hair, and Terry having blue eyes. Traits possessed by neither the brown haired/dark eyed Warren or the red haired/dark eyed Mary, but rather by [[spoiler:they're biological father, Bruce Wayne]]. Though Amanda Waller chose not to have the McGinnis' murdered in the end, she ultimately may have destroyed their marriage.
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** Apparently Terry was already planning to get together with Dana, which seems a little odd if he'd already broken things off with her. Also, Dana doesn't seem surprised at all that he's calling her. Except for the 3 AM part anyway.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Perhaps those DeliberatelyMonochrome sequences are ''not'' fantasies, and they actually happened. And Terry's actions at the end (planning to propose to Dana, tending to Bruce) is his way of making it up to them?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Perhaps those DeliberatelyMonochrome sequences are ''not'' fantasies, and they actually happened. And Terry's actions at the end (planning to propose to Dana, tending to Bruce) is his way of making it up to them?

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* AssPull: A common criticism of the episode is that the reveal that Terry is Bruce's son had no build up until this very episode (besides his hair color) and [[GambitRoulette Waller's plan runs on contrived coincidences]].



* ShockingSwerve: A common criticism of the episode is that the reveal that Terry is Bruce's son had no build up until this very episode (besides his hair color) and [[GambitRoulette Waller's plan runs on contrived coincidences]].
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* SignatureScene: Bruce Wayne's meeting Ace is easily the best known part of the episode.

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* SignatureScene: Bruce Wayne's meeting Ace is easily the best known part of the episode. In fact, this scene has become so iconic that it's widely considered to be for Batman what [[ComicBook/AllStarSuperman Superman comforting a suicidal teenager]] is for the Man of Steel: all his best qualities and all he stands for distilled into a single moment.

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* SignatureScene: Bruce Wayne's meeting Ace is easily the most well known part of the episode.

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* SignatureScene: Bruce Wayne's meeting Ace is easily the most well best known part of the episode.episode.
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* ShockingSwerve: A common criticism of the episode is that the reveal that Terry is Bruce's son had no build up until this very episode (besides his hair color) and [[GambitRoulette Waller's plan runs on contrived coincidences]].

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* ShockingSwerve: A common criticism of the episode is that the reveal that Terry is Bruce's son had no build up until this very episode (besides his hair color) and [[GambitRoulette Waller's plan runs on contrived coincidences]].coincidences]].
* SignatureScene: Bruce Wayne's meeting Ace is easily the most well known part of the episode.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Perhaps those DeliberatelyMonochrome sequences are ''not'' fantasies, and they actually happened. And Terry's actions at the end (planning to propose to Dana, tending to Bruce) is his way of making it up to them?
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* BrokenBase: Good lord, the arguments this episode spawned in the fandom are truly something else. Even ignoring the small hardcore splinter sect who declared ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' FanonDiscontinuity, this episode's reveal elicited a massive amount of argument as to whether or not it "ruined the story", with heavy accusations of BrokenAesop.
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Not really the trope, since it's just not something present. It's not something hinted at but left hanging, it's just not there.


* ShockingSwerve: A common criticism of the episode is that the reveal that Terry is Bruce's son had no build up until this very episode (besides his hair color) and [[GambitRoulette Waller's plan runs on contrived coincidences]].
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Since [[WesternAnimation/TheZetaProject Zeta's]] fate was left unresolved by the end of his series, it would have been a nice touch to see him as a member in the scene with the future Justice League to show that he was able to prove his innocence to the government and [[EarnYourHappyEnding earned his happy ending]] with Roe. [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse Too bad he's not seen or mentioned at all in this]].

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* ShockingSwerve: A common criticism of the episode is that the reveal that Terry is Bruce's son had no build up until this very episode (besides his hair color) and [[GambitRoulette Waller's plan runs on contrived coincidences]].
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Since [[WesternAnimation/TheZetaProject Zeta's]] fate was left unresolved by the end of his series, it would have been a nice touch to see him as a member in the scene with the future Justice League to show that he was able to prove his innocence to the government and [[EarnYourHappyEnding earned his happy ending]] with Roe. [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse Too bad he's not seen or mentioned at all in this]].
coincidences]].
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* BrokenBase: Good lord, the arguments this episode spawned in the fandom are truly something else. Even ignoring the small hardcore splinter sect who declared ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' FanonDiscontinuity, this episode's Reveal elicited a massive amount of argument as to whether or not it "ruined the story", with heavy accusations of BrokenAesop.

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* BrokenBase: Good lord, the arguments this episode spawned in the fandom are truly something else. Even ignoring the small hardcore splinter sect who declared ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' FanonDiscontinuity, this episode's Reveal reveal elicited a massive amount of argument as to whether or not it "ruined the story", with heavy accusations of BrokenAesop.

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* BaseBreaker: Good lord, the arguments this episode spawned in the fandom are truly something else. Even ignoring the small hardcore splinter sect who declared ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' FanonDiscontinuity, this episode's Reveal elicited a massive amount of argument as to whether or not it "ruined the story", with heavy accusations of BrokenAesop.

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* BaseBreaker: BrokenBase: Good lord, the arguments this episode spawned in the fandom are truly something else. Even ignoring the small hardcore splinter sect who declared ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' FanonDiscontinuity, this episode's Reveal elicited a massive amount of argument as to whether or not it "ruined the story", with heavy accusations of BrokenAesop.BrokenAesop.
* ShockingSwerve: A common criticism of the episode is that the reveal that Terry is Bruce's son had no build up until this very episode (besides his hair color) and [[GambitRoulette Waller's plan runs on contrived coincidences]].
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* BaseBreaker: Good lord, the arguments this episode spawned in the fandom are truly something else. Even ignoring the small hardcore splinter sect who declared ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' FanonDiscontinuity, this episode's Reveal elicited a massive amount of argument as to whether or not it "ruined the story", with heavy accusations of BrokenAesop.
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TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Since [[WesternAnimation/TheZetaProject Zeta's]] fate was left unresolved by the end of his series, it would have been a nice touch to see him as a member in the scene with the future Justice League to show that he was able to prove his innocence to the government and [[EarnYourHappyEnding earned his happy ending]] with Roe. [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse Too bad he's not seen or mentioned at all in this]].

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Since [[WesternAnimation/TheZetaProject Zeta's]] fate was left unresolved by the end of his series, it would have been a nice touch to see him as a member in the scene with the future Justice League to show that he was able to prove his innocence to the government and [[EarnYourHappyEnding earned his happy ending]] with Roe. [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse Too bad he's not seen or mentioned at all in this]].
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TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Since [[WesternAnimation/TheZetaProject Zeta's]] fate was left unresolved by the end of his series, it would have been a nice touch to see him as a member in the scene with the future Justice League to show that he was able to prove his innocence to the government and [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn his happy ending]] with Roe. [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse Too bad he's not seen or mentioned at all in this]].

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TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Since [[WesternAnimation/TheZetaProject Zeta's]] fate was left unresolved by the end of his series, it would have been a nice touch to see him as a member in the scene with the future Justice League to show that he was able to prove his innocence to the government and [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn earned his happy ending]] with Roe. [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse Too bad he's not seen or mentioned at all in this]].
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TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Since [[WesternAnimation/TheZetaProject Zeta's]] fate was left unresolved by the end of his series, it would have been a nice touch to see him as a member in the scene with the future Justice League to show that he was able to prove his innocence to the government and [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn his happy ending]] with Roe. [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse Too bad he's not seen or mentioned at all in this]].

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