History YMMV / FiveSecondsOfSummer

** With Music/FallOutBoy. Many FOB fans detract 5SOS for being a punk-pop "boy band" and their 1D affiliation. It hasn't been nearly as bad from the other side, though. This mostly one-sided rivalry gets even more stupid since Fall Out Boy ''likes'' 5SOS, even going as far to get into contact with John Feldy when they heard something Luke said in an interview taken out of context. Pete also [[http://insincerelypete.com/post/92800550669/i-felt-like-i-wasnt-going-to-address-it-but-i-see called out Fall Out Boy fans]] who were getting on the cases of new fans who got into FOB due to 5SOS.

* ItsTheSameNowItSucks[=/=]TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: As mentioned down below, a big part of the criticism aimed at their earlier material was that it sounds far too much like their influences (All Time Low, Fall Out Boy, Green Day, etc) without doing a lot to differentiate themselves from those groups, especially when some songs sound way too similar. While their throwback sound was a novelty on pop radio in the 2010s and to an audience that is largely ignorant to the influences, others with more familiarity with the kind of music they were making would reasonably call foul. These complaints are largely inapplicable due to their genre shift towards more electronic pop rock as of Youngblood.

** Another prominent, if rather one sided one, comes from fans of DefendPopPunk bands like The Wonder Years, The Story So Far, Knuckle Puck, Trophy Eyes and Trash Boat. These fans detest [=5SOS=] for "ruining pop punk" by bucking the "slice of shitty life" style of the aforementioned bands for what they see as an unoriginal throwback to the late-2000s "neon pop-punk" sound, ala Forever The Sickest Kids. 5SOS's pre-"Youngblood" material could be more accurately described as a late 90s-mid 2000s pop punk throwback; at the time, the group incorporated musical and visual aspects of that era that "Defend Pop Punk" acts largely eschewed. The band only only really started majorly incorporating synths, a defining aspect of "neon pop punk", when they pivoted away from pop punk to electronic pop rock with Youngblood.

* OlderThanTheyThink: Wait, people aren't sure if 5SOS is a pop punk band or a boy band? Are we talking about [[Music/McFly Mc]][[Music/{{Busted}} Busted]]? Furthermore, Music/FallOutBoy and Music/Blink182, two of 5SOS' talked about influences, also had "boy band" and "not punk enough" thrown at them back in the day, despite both bands having a stronger punk pedigree than 5SOS. Admittedly, 5SOS' production style (including multiple songwriters outside of the band and multiple vocalists in said band) and marketing of their first two releases under Capital Records errs closer to that of a boy band. Even after they shifted into pop rock, [=5SOS=] was notable for being the first album they wrote and produced mostly by themselves. However, Fall Out Boy and blink-182 were also inadvertently marketed in ways appealing to teenage girls by third parties back at the height of their popularity and both bands, to varying extents and far more recently for blink-182, have embraced pop production and conventions. Like [=5SOS=], Fall Out Boy aren't above bringing in outside co-writers.

** One main argument as to why 5 Seconds of Summer deserved the success they got with their earlier material is because of the fact that they dropped out of school to tour with One Direction not knowing what was going to happen next and not knowing if they were going to fail or succeed. The counter-counterpoint to that was that 5SOS' pop rock style wasn't that far removed from 1D and that combined with their looks would already make them more commercially viable from the get go, even without the 1D bump.[[note]]For comparison, it took Music/GreenDay three albums and a few [=EPs=] over a four-year period (plus, Billie Joe and Mike quit after Armstrong turned 18, several months shy of graduating, making 5SOS's story less unique) to reach their initial big success in the 90s, and another ten to match their previous success after years of waning interest by the public. Music/AllTimeLow started producing music while in high school and started touring and producing more right out of high school. At [[=5SOS=]]' pop punk peak, Music/{{Waterparks}} were still building up their audience and success after over half a decade's work including three [=EPs=] and three albums. 5 Seconds of Summer would likely be in a similar position to these bands were it not for the ColbertBump from One Direction. (It should be noted that 5SOS is friends with both Music/AllTimeLow and Music/{{Waterparks}}. Alex Gaskarth of ATL helped them write some of their songs, and Awsten Knight of Waterparks joined them on stage for a 2018 show in Houston.)[[/note]]

* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Prior to 5SOS, an Australian Pop Punk/Pop Rock band having international success was virtually unheard of. To those that consider them a boy band, they're seen as the only foreign one besides One Direction (and outside of the k-pop realm) to have made it big in America.

* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: Examples include [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdLdqeNl5nQ "Social Casualty”]] having an ''extremely'' similar instrumental to Music/{{Fall Out Boy}}'s [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhG-vLZrb-g 'Sugar, We're Goin' Down']] mixed with Music/AllTimeLow's '[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzHuXUdyQrs&index=9&list=PL0Cv84OTeDd5h29bYRYxKl2fTIe6hoHQy&t=0s Me Without You]]' and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T6o0iMfTbY '18']] [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment randomly]] randomly using part of the instrumental to Music/{{Foo Fighters}}' '[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBG7P-K-r1Y Everlong]]' at 1:54. [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0Cv84OTeDd5h29bYRYxKl2fTIe6hoHQy This playlist]] has even more examples.
** In general, prior to 2018, their sound was best described as a mix between All Time Low, blink-182, old Fall Out Boy, [=McFly=], and Busted due to how much influence (to the point of ripping off, as pointed out above) they took from them in their music writing. After their third album, they're now taking more influence from pop artists of the late 2010s and 1980s synth pop due to the genre shift.
** This even got so bad that their lawyers advised them to give writer credits to the band members of Music/DuranDuran on the song 'Hey Everybody!' due to it it having the exact same rhythm as 'Hungry Like the Wolf.'
* SignatureSong: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2BYmmTI04I "She Looks So Perfect"]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RJSbO8UZVY "Youngblood"]], the latter of which racked up a billion streams on Spotify.

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Surprisingly defied with Youngblood. The band's fandom being dominated by pop fans and lack of cred the group had with pop punk fandom equaled a more positive reaction to the shift to overt pop. This is in spite of bands they were inspired by, like Fall Out Boy post-From Under The Cork Tree, often being heavily criticized for making the same move.

* FandomRivalry: With Music/FallOutBoy. Many FOB fans detract 5SOS for being a punk-pop "boy band" and their 1D affiliation. It hasn't been nearly as bad from the other side, though. This mostly one-sided rivalry gets even more stupid since Fall Out Boy ''likes'' 5SOS, even going as far to get into contact with John Feldy when they heard something Luke said in an interview taken out of context. Pete also [[http://insincerelypete.com/post/92800550669/i-felt-like-i-wasnt-going-to-address-it-but-i-see called out Fall Out Boy fans]] who were getting on the cases of new fans who got into FOB due to 5SOS.
** Another rivalry within the fandom is with Music/FifthHarmony. While the two groups were up against each other for an award, #keepcuttingashtonyouretrash started trended worldwide on Twitter.

* FanMyopia: Part of the backlash against 5SOS from some PopPunk fans comes from this. When you have 5SOS fans that are less familiar with rock and pop punk confusing their cover of Music/GreenDay's 'American Idiot' as an original song, there's bound to be some rustled jimmies. There's also a sizable amount of these pop punk fans angry about 5SOS fans calling the band things like "the next blink-182". These comments are either made by a very small amount of misguided 5SOS fans, entirely made up, or obvious troll fodder, but that doesn't stop that segment of pop punk fans from getting very, very angry about it.
** There's also additional backlash from pop punk fans who recognized some of their earlier material as sounding eerily similar to other ones from years before, which will get outright denials or actual backed up defenses based on 5SOS fan familiarity on said songs. Either they're not going to be as easy to defend (like other examples in the SuspiciouslySimilarSong section) or they actually can be explained by other means ("She's Kind Of Hot" sounds like My Chemical Romance's Teenagers...on purpose. [[https://web.archive.org/web/20151021003032/https://www.fuse.tv/2015/10/5-seconds-of-summer-sounds-good-feels-good-track-by-track#2This is due to Benji Madden's suggestion]] of a TwelveBarBlues riff, a incredibly common pop music cord progression that also features on Teenagers. The ubiquity was not enough to keep people from claiming that 5SOS "admitted to ripping off My Chem", which is likely why the admission of influence was removed from the Fuse article it was first mentioned in.)

* FriendlyFandoms: With Music/OneDirection, especially outside Australia where most 5SOS fans are Directioners who haven't abandoned 1D despite their newfound love for 5SOS. Some level of beef still occurs, though most fans don't get into it.

* OlderThanTheyThink: Wait, people aren't sure if 5SOS is a pop punk band or a boy band? Are we talking about [[Music/McFly Mc]][[Music/{{Busted}} Busted]]?
** Music/FallOutBoy and Music/Blink182, two of 5SOS' talked about influences, also had "boy band" and "not punk enough" thrown at them back in the day, despite both bands having a stronger punk pedigree than 5SOS. Admittedly, 5SOS' production style (including multiple songwriters outside of the band and multiple vocalists in said band) and marketing of their first two releases under Capital Records errs closer to that of a boy band. Even after they shifted into pop rock, [=5SOS=] was notable for being the first album they wrote and produced mostly by themselves. However, Fall Out Boy and blink-182 were also inadvertently marketed in ways appealing to teenage girls by third parties back at the height of their popularity and both bands, to varying extents and far more recently for blink-182, have embraced pop production and conventions. Like [=5SOS=], Fall Out Boy aren't above bringing in outside co-writers.

* PrecisionFStrike:
** In the band's Single [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFz1gCZSmdE "She's Kinda Hot"]], fans were shocked when they heard Luke curse.
--> ''My girlfriend's bitching 'cause I always sleep in''
** In [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhSXsTSNDyo "Want You Back"]], fans were similarly surprised to hear Luke say the word "fucking".
--> ''Is it tears or just the fucking rain?''

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Surprisingly defied with Youngblood. The band's fandom being dominated by pop fans and lack of cred the group had with pop punk fandom equaled a more positive reaction to the shift to overt pop. This is in spite of bands they were inspired by, like Fall Out Boy post-From Under The Cork Tree, often being heavily criticized for making the same move.

** Another prominent, if rather one sided one, comes from fans of DefendPopPunk bands like The Wonder Years, The Story So Far, Knuckle Puck, Trophy Eyes and Trash Boat who detest the band for an "ruining pop punk" by bucking the "slice of shitty life" style of the aforementioned bands for what they see as an unoriginal throwback to the late-2000s "neon pop-punk" sound. 5SOS's pre-"Youngblood" material could be more accurately described as a late 90s-mid 2000s pop punk throwback; at the time, the group incorporated musical and visual aspects of that era that "Defend Pop Punk" acts largely eschew and only really started majorly incorporating synths, a defining aspect of "neon pop punk", when they pivoted away from pop punk to electronic pop rock with Youngblood.

** There's also additional backlash from pop punk fans who recognized some of their earlier material as sounding eerily similar to other ones from years before, which will get outright denials or actual backed up defenses based on 5SOS fan familiarity on said songs. Either they're not going to be as easy to defend (like other examples in the SuspiciouslySimilarSong section) or they actually can be explained by other means ("She's Kind Of Hot" sounds like My Chemical Romance's Teenagers...on purpose. [[https://web.archive.org/web/20151021003032/https://www.fuse.tv/2015/10/5-seconds-of-summer-sounds-good-feels-good-track-by-track#2This is due to Benji Maddens's suggestion]] of a TwelveBarBlues riff, a incredibly common pop music cord progression that also features on Teenagers. The ubiquity was not enough to keep people from claiming that 5SOS "admitted to ripping off My Chem", which is likely why the admission of influence was removed from the Fuse article it was first mentioned in.)

* ItsTheSameNowItSucks[=/=]TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: As mentioned down below, a big part of the criticism aimed at their earlier material was that it sounds far too much like their influences (All Time Low, Fall Out Boy, Green Day, etc) without doing a lot to differentiate themselves from those groups, especially when some songs sound way too similar. While their throwback sound would be a novelty on pop radio and to an audience that is largely ignorant to the influences, others with more familarity with the kind of music they were making would reasonably call foul. These complaints are largely inapplicable due to their genre shift towards more electronic pop rock as of Youngblood.

** Music/FallOutBoy and Music/Blink182, two of 5SOS' talked about influences, also had "boy band" and "not punk enough" thrown at them back in the day, despite both bands having a stronger punk pedigree than 5SOS. Admittedly, 5SOS' production style (including multiple songwriters outside of the band and multiple vocalists in said band) and marketing of their first two releases under Capital Records errs closer to that of a boy band. However, Fall Out Boy and blink-182 were also inadvertently marketed in ways appealing to teenage girls by third parties back at the height of their popularity and both bands, to varying extents and far more recently for blink-182, have embraced pop production and conventions.

** One main argument as to why 5 Seconds of Summer deserved the success they got with their earlier material is because of the fact that they dropped out of school to tour with One Direction not knowing what was going to happen next and not knowing if they were going to fail or succeed. The counter-counterpoint to that was that 5SOS' pop rock style wasn't that far removed from 1D and that combined with their looks would already make them more commercially viable from the get go, even without the 1D bump.[[note]]For comparison, it took Music/GreenDay three albums and a few [=EPs=] over a four-year period (plus, Billie Joe and Mike quit after Armstrong turned 18, several months shy of graduating, making 5SOS's story less unique) to reach their initial big success in the 90s, and another ten to match their previous success after years of waning interest by the public. Music/AllTimeLow started producing music while in high school and started touring and producing more right out of high school. Music/{{Waterparks}} are still building up their audience and success after over half a decade's work including three [=EPs=] and three albums. 5 Seconds of Summer would likely be in a similar position to these bands were it not for the ColbertBump from One Direction. (It should be noted that 5SOS is friends with both Music/AllTimeLow and Music/{{Waterparks}}. Alex Gaskarth of ATL helped them write some of their songs, and Awsten Knight of Waterparks joined them on stage for a 2018 show in Houston.)[[/note]]

* SignatureSong: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2BYmmTI04I "She Looks So Perfect"]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RJSbO8UZVY "Youngblood"]]

** One main argument as to why 5 Seconds of Summer deserved the success they got with their earlier material is because of the fact that they dropped out of school to tour with One Direction not knowing what was going to happen next and not knowing if they were going to fail or succeed. The counter-counterpoint to that was that 5SOS' pop rock style wasn't that far removed from 1D and that combined with their looks would already make them more commercially viable from the get go, even without the 1D bump.[[note]]For comparison, it took Music/GreenDay three albums and a few EPs over a four-year period (plus, Billie Joe and Mike quit after Armstrong turned 18, several months shy of graduating, making 5SOS's story less unique) to reach their initial big success in the 90s, and another ten to match their previous success after years of waning interest by the public. Music/AllTimeLow started producing music while in high school and started touring and producing more right out of high school. Music/{{Waterparks}} are still building up their audience and success after over half a decade's work including three EPs and two albums. 5 Seconds of Summer would likely be in a similar position to these bands were it not for the ColbertBump from One Direction. (It should be noted that 5SOS is friends with both Music/AllTimeLow and Music/{{Waterparks}}. Alex Gaskarth of ATL helped them write some of their songs.)[[/note]]

* OnlyHereForGodzilla: Many 5SOS fans weren't pleased about 5SOS opening for Music/TheChainsmokers on their World War Joy tour, but still chose to support the band by going to the shows. At least one show on the tour had a substantial amount of people [[https://dammitbands.tumblr.com/post/187993534727/here-is-actual-video-footage-i-took-of-thousands walking out of the arena]] moments after 5SOS finished playing.

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Surprisingly defied with Youngblood. The band's fandom being dominated by pop fans and lack of cred the group had with pop punk fandom equaled a more positive reaction to the shift to overt pop that bands they were inspired by like Fall Out Boy post-From Under The Cork Tree were criticized for.

* GrowingTheBeard: Youngblood was seen by critics and fans as a natural transition of their sound as a response to the current pop scene with more mature lyrics. The album was also the first not to feature the production involvement of John Feldy andthe Madden Brothers, who played a major role in their early major label career.

** Music/FallOutBoy and Music/Blink182, two of 5SOS' talked about influences, also had "boy band" and "not punk enough" thrown at them back in the day, despite both bands having a stronger punk pedigree than 5SOS. Admittedly, 5SOS' production style (including multiple songwriters outside of the band and multiple vocalists in said band) and marketing of their first two releases under Capital Records errs closer to that of a boy band. However, Fall Out Boy and blink-182 were also inadverantly marketed in ways appealing to teenage girls back at the height of their popularity and both bands, to varying extents and far more recently for blink-182, have embraced pop production and conventions.
* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: Examples include [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdLdqeNl5nQ "Social Casualty”]] having an ''extremely'' similar instrumental to Music/{{Fall Out Boy}}'s [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhG-vLZrb-g 'Sugar, We're Goin' Down']] mixed with Music/AllTimeLow's '[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzHuXUdyQrs&index=9&list=PL0Cv84OTeDd5h29bYRYxKl2fTIe6hoHQy&t=0s Me Without You]]' and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T6o0iMfTbY '18']] [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment randomly]] randomly using part of the instrumental to Music/{{Foo Fighters}}' '[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBG7P-K-r1Y Everlong]]' at 1:54. [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0Cv84OTeDd5h29bYRYxKl2fTIe6hoHQy This playlist]] has even more examples.
** In general, prior to 2018, their sound was best described as a mix between All Time Low, Blink-182, old Fall Out Boy, [=McFly=], and Busted due to how much influence (to the point of ripping off, as pointed out above) they took from them in their music writing. After their third album, they're now taking more influence from pop artists of the late 2010s and 1980s synth pop due to the genre shift.
** This even got so bad that their lawyers advised them to give writer credits to the band members of Music/DuranDuran on the song 'Hey Everybody!' due to it it having the exact same rhythm as 'Hungry Like the Wolf.'
* SignatureSong: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2BYmmTI04I "She Looks So Perfect"]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RJSbO8UZVY "Youngblood"]]

--> ''Is it tears or just the fucking rain?''

** There's also additional backlash from pop punk fans who recognized some of their earlier material as sounding eerily similar to other ones from years before, which will get outright denials or actual backed up defenses based on 5SOS fan familiarity on said songs. Either they're not going to be as easy to defend (like other examples in the SuspiciouslySimilarSong) or they actually can be explained by other means ("She's Kind Of Hot" sounds like My Chemical Romance's Teenagers...on purpose. [[https://web.archive.org/web/20151021003032/https://www.fuse.tv/2015/10/5-seconds-of-summer-sounds-good-feels-good-track-by-track#2This is due to Benji Maddens's suggestion]] of a TwelveBarBlues riff, a incredibly common pop music cord progression that also features on Teenagers. The ubiquity was not enough to keep people from claiming that 5SOS "admitted to ripping off My Chem", which is likely why the admission of influence was removed from the Fuse article it was first mentioned in.)

** Another prominent, if rather one sided one, comes from fans of DefendPopPunk bands like The Wonder Years, The Story So Far, Knuckle Puck, Trophy Eyes and Trash Boat who detest the band for "ruining pop punk" by bucking the "slice of shitty life" style of the aforementioned bands for a unoriginal throwback to the late-2000s "neon pop-punk" sound. Even more so that they ended up becoming popular because of it.

** Another prominent, if rather one sided one, comes from fans of DefendPopPunk bands like The Wonder Years, The Story So Far, Knuckle Puck, Trophy Eyes and Trash Boat who detest the band for "ruining pop punk" by bucking the "slice of shitty life" style of the aforementioned bands for a rather unoriginal throwback to the late-2000s "neon pop-punk" sound.
* FanMyopia: Part of the backlash against 5SOS from some PopPunk fans comes from this. When you have 5SOS fans that are less familiar with rock and pop punk confusing their cover of Music/GreenDay's 'American Idiot' as an original song, there's bound to be some rustled jimmies. There's also a sizable amount of these Pop Punk fans angry about 5SOS fans calling the band things like "the next blink-182". These comments are either made by a very small amount of misguided 5SOS fans, entirely made up, or obvious troll fodder, but that doesn't stop that segment of Pop Punk fans from getting very, very angry about it. Then there are the Pop Punk fans who recognize their songs as sounding eerily similar to other ones from years before, angering the 5SOS fans who clearly don't hear what they're talking about, or will outright deny the claims.
** One main argument as to why 5 Seconds of Summer deserves the success they've gotten is because of the fact that they dropped out of school to tour with One Direction not knowing what was going to happen next and not knowing if they were going to fail or succeed. However, this was not quite the risky career move that some like to say it is, given that 5 Seconds of Summer are almost the same ages as One Direction, they're four good looking males, and they play the same kinds of music, just with a light PopPunk edge to their sound. They were almost guaranteed a built-in audience waiting to spend their money on their future albums and merch, especially considering the dedication to and loyalty for that teenage girls typically display for the things they like.
*** For comparison, it took Music/GreenDay 3 albums and a few EPs over a 4-year period (plus, Billie Joe and Mike quit after Armstrong turned 18, several months shy of graduating, making 5SOS's story less unique) to reach their initial big success in the 90s, and another 10 to match their previous success after years of waning interest by the public. Music/AllTimeLow started producing music while in high school and started touring and producing more right out of high school and Music/{{Waterparks}} are still building up their audience and success after over half a decade's work including three EPs and two albums. 5 Seconds of Summer would likely be in a similar position to these bands were it not for the ColbertBump from One Direction. (It should be noted that 5SOS is friends with both Music/AllTimeLow and Music/{{Waterparks}}, and in fact Alex Gaskarth of ATL helped them write some of their songs.)

* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Prior to 5SOS, an Australian Pop Punk/Pop Rock band having international success was virtually unheard of. To those that consider them a boy band, they're seen as the only foreign one besides One Direction to have made it big in America.
* ItsTheSameNowItSucks[=/=]TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: As mentioned down below, a big part of the criticism aimed at them rests in the fact that they, largely, try way too hard to emulate the sounds of their influences (All Time Low, Fall Out Boy, Green Day, etc) without doing a lot, or anything at all, to differentiate themselves from them and it's led to many calling them out on the sound-alike songs they've recorded and wishing they'd actually try to make something original for once, as when they actually try to do so, they show great promise.
** Of those mentioned above, there's at least a valid reason for similarities with Music/AllTimeLow; 5SOS have written with the band's lead singer Alex Gaskarth on multiple tracks. However, that should only account for those specific songs, and not the others they ''didn't'' write with Alex that still sound like discount All Time Low.
* OlderThanTheyThink: Wait, people aren't sure if 5SOS is a Pop Punk band or a boy band? Are we talking about [[Music/McFly Mc]][[Music/{{Busted}} Busted]]?
** Music/FallOutBoy and Music/Blink182, two of 5SOS' talked about influences, also had "boy band" and "not punk enough" thrown at them back in the day, despite both bands having a stronger punk pedigree than 5SOS. The difference is, though, that they're more like Busted than those bands, who weren't exactly Punk to begin with and produced songs more akin to Boy Band Pop than Pop Punk, and subsequently called one by most people, so the accusation is justified.

** In general, prior to 2018, their sound was best described as a mix between All Time Low, Blink-182, old Fall Out Boy, [=McFly=], and Busted due to how much influence (to the point of ripping off, as pointed out above) they took from them in their music writing. After their third album, they're now taking more influence from Pop artists of the late 2010s and 1980s Synth Pop due to their shifting genres for it.
** This even got so bad that their lawyers advised them to give writer credits to the band members of Music/DuranDuran on the song 'Hey Everybody!' due to it it having the exact same rhythm as 'Hungry Like the Wolf.' Why this was has never been explained, but it might be due to how many songs they recorded in 2014 and 2015 causing them to not take as much care about making sure these songs sounded more original.
* SignatureSong: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2BYmmTI04I "She Looks So Perfect"]]

* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: Examples include [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdLdqeNl5nQ "Social Casualty”]] having an ''extremely'' similar instrumental to Music/{{Fall Out Boy}}'s [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhG-vLZrb-g 'Sugar, We're Goin' Down']] mixed with Music/AllTimeLow's '[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzHuXUdyQrs&index=9&list=PL0Cv84OTeDd5h29bYRYxKl2fTIe6hoHQy&t=0s Me Without You]]' and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T6o0iMfTbY '18']] [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment randomly]] randonly using part of the instrumental to Music/{{Foo Fighters}}' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBG7P-K-r1Y "Everlong"]] at 1:54. [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0Cv84OTeDd5h29bYRYxKl2fTIe6hoHQy This playlist]] has even more examples.

--> ''Is it tears or just the fucking rain?''
* YokoOhNo: Arzaylea Rodriguez, Luke's ex-girlfriend from 2015 to 2017, is widely disliked by the fanbase. This is due to her throwing ''a lot'' of slanderous allegations towards the band after her break-up with Luke and [[ToxicFriendInfluence being generally toxic]]. Even now, the fans heavily dislike her because she ''still'' holds a grudge against the band (Hemmings in general) and is still incredibly spiteful towards them. Then there was the serious (yet unproven) allegations that she made money out of her next boyfriend, rapper Lil Peep's death.

* FollowTheLeader: It's hard to see [[Music/{{McFly}} Mc]][[Music/{{Busted}} Busted]] touring with One Direction as a attempt to capture some of the buzz that 5SOS got when they toured with 1D before.

** Of those mentioned above, there's at least a valid reason for similarities with Music/AllTimeLow; 5SOS have written with the band's lead singer Alex Gaskarth on multiple tracks. However, that should only account for those specific songs, and not the others they ''didn't'' write with Alext hat still sound like discount All Time Low.

** Of those mentioned above, there's at least a valid reason for similarities with Music/AllTimeLow; 5SOS have written with the band's lead singer Alex Gaskarth on multiple tracks.

** In general, prior to 2018, their sound was best described as a mix between All Time Low, Blink-182, old Fall Out Boy, [=McFly=], and Busted due to how much influence (to the point of ripping off, as pointed out above) they took from them in their music writing. After their third album, they're now taking more influence from Pop artists of the late 2010s due to their shifting genres for it.

--> ''Is it tears or just the fucking rain?''

* FandomBerserkButton: To put it simply, 5SOS fans do ''not'' like to hear the band's nickname pronounced "5 S.O.S". The correct pronunciation is "5 sauce."
** Also, don't call Calum Asian. He is half Maori and half Scottish.