Line #21 YMMV/FiveSecondsOfSummer


1	* AwardSnub: 5SOS lost to Music/FifthHarmony in the end for the Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards despite being the overwhelming favorite to win the category. And that's to say nothing about 5SOS being snubbed in 2016 in favor of 1D, despite the fact that the latter are on hiatus and the former are still active.
2	* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: As listed below, their song '18' randomly goes into a brief segment of Music/FooFighters' 'Everlong.' It's a bit of mood whiplash, since the song was in a completely different tempo beforehand and goes back to how it was afterwards. It completely takes you out of the moment, especially if you've heard the other song beforehand.
3	* FandomEnragingMisconception:
4	** To put it simply, 5SOS fans do ''not'' like to hear the band's nickname pronounced "5 S.O.S". The correct pronunciation is "5 sauce."
5	** Don't call Calum Asian. He is half Maori and half Scottish.
6	* FandomRivalry:
7	** With Music/FifthHarmony. While the two groups were up against each other for an award, #keepcuttingashtonyouretrash started trended worldwide on Twitter.
8	** Another prominent, if rather one sided one, comes from fans of DefendPopPunk bands like The Wonder Years, The Story So Far, Knuckle Puck, Trophy Eyes and Trash Boat. These fans detest [=5SOS=] for "ruining pop punk" by bucking the "slice of shitty life" style of the aforementioned bands for what they see as an unoriginal throwback to the late-2000s "neon pop-punk" sound, ala Music/ForeverTheSickestKids. 5SOS's pre-"Youngblood" material could be more accurately described as a late 90s-mid 2000s pop punk throwback; at the time, the group incorporated musical and visual aspects of that era that "Defend Pop Punk" acts largely eschewed. The band only only really started majorly incorporating synths, a defining aspect of "neon pop punk", when they pivoted away from pop punk to electronic pop rock with Youngblood.
9	* FanMyopia:
10	** Part of the backlash against 5SOS from some PopPunk fans comes from this. When you have 5SOS fans that are less familiar with rock and pop punk confusing their cover of Music/GreenDay's 'American Idiot' as an original song, there's bound to be some rustled jimmies. There's also a sizable amount of these pop punk fans angry about 5SOS fans calling the band things like "the next blink-182". These comments are either made by a very small amount of misguided 5SOS fans, entirely made up, or obvious troll fodder, but that doesn't stop that segment of pop punk fans from getting very, very angry about it.
11	** There's additional backlash from pop punk fans who recognized some of their earlier material as sounding eerily similar to other ones from years before, which will get outright denials or actual backed up defenses based on 5SOS fan familiarity on said songs. Either they're not going to be as easy to defend (like other examples in the SuspiciouslySimilarSong section) or they actually can be explained by other means ("She's Kind Of Hot" sounds like My Chemical Romance's Teenagers...on purpose. [[https://web.archive.org/web/20151021003032/https://www.fuse.tv/2015/10/5-seconds-of-summer-sounds-good-feels-good-track-by-track#2This is due to Benji Madden's suggestion]] of a TwelveBarBlues riff, a incredibly common pop music cord progression that also features on Teenagers. The ubiquity was not enough to keep people from claiming that 5SOS "admitted to ripping off My Chem", which is likely why the admission of influence was removed from the Fuse article it was first mentioned in.)
12	** One main argument as to why 5 Seconds of Summer deserved the success they got with their earlier material is because of the fact that they dropped out of school to tour with One Direction not knowing what was going to happen next and not knowing if they were going to fail or succeed. The counter-counterpoint to that was that 5SOS' pop rock style wasn't that far removed from 1D and that combined with their looks would already make them more commercially viable from the get go, even without the 1D bump.[[note]]For comparison, it took Music/GreenDay three albums and a few [=EPs=] over a four-year period (plus, Billie Joe and Mike quit after Armstrong turned 18, several months shy of graduating, making 5SOS's story less unique) to reach their initial big success in the 90s, and another ten to match their previous success after years of waning interest by the public. Music/AllTimeLow started producing music while in high school and started touring and producing more right out of high school. At [[=5SOS=]]' pop punk peak in 2015, Music/{{Waterparks}} only just got signed to an indie label after under half a decade's worth of work building their audience and self-releasing [=EPs=]. 5 Seconds of Summer would likely be in a similar position to these bands were it not for the ColbertBump from One Direction. (It should be noted that 5SOS is friends with both Music/AllTimeLow and Music/{{Waterparks}}. Alex Gaskarth of ATL helped them write some of their songs, and Awsten Knight of Waterparks joined them on stage for a 2018 show in Houston.)[[/note]]
13	* FriendlyFandoms:
14	** With Music/OneDirection, especially outside Australia where most 5SOS fans are Directioners who haven't abandoned 1D despite their newfound love for 5SOS. Some level of beef still occurs, though most fans don't get into it.
15	** Same goes with British pop rock act Music/TheVamps.
16	** Ironically given the above entries, there's a fairly large number of Music/FallOutBoy fans who also like them.
17	** Aside from some fans who see Waterparks as less "poppy" comparatively to [=5SOS=], there's additional friendly fandom overlap with Music/{{Waterparks}}, especially as frontman Awsten Knight is a huge fan of the band.
18	* FollowTheLeader: It's hard to see [[Music/{{McFly}} Mc]][[Music/{{Busted}} Busted]] touring with One Direction as an attempt to capture some of the buzz that 5SOS got when they toured with 1D before.
19	* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Prior to 5SOS, an Australian Pop Punk/Pop Rock band having international success was virtually unheard of. To those that consider them a boy band, they're seen as the only foreign one besides One Direction (and outside of the K-pop realm) to have made it big in America.
20	* GrowingTheBeard: Youngblood was seen by critics and fans as a natural transition of their sound as a response to the current pop scene with more mature lyrics. The album was also the first not to feature the production involvement of John Feldy and the Madden Brothers, who played a major role in their early major label career.
21	* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: A big part of the criticism aimed at their earlier material was that it sounds far too much like their influences (All Time Low, Fall Out Boy, Green Day, etc) without doing a lot to differentiate themselves from those groups, especially when some songs sound way too similar. While their throwback sound was a novelty on pop radio in the 2010s and to an audience that is largely ignorant to the influences, others with more familiarity with the kind of music they were making would reasonably call foul. These complaints are largely inapplicable due to their genre shift towards more electronic pop rock as of Youngblood.
22	* JustHereForGodzilla: Many 5SOS fans weren't pleased about 5SOS opening for Music/TheChainsmokers on their World War Joy tour, but still chose to support the band by going to the shows. At least one show on the tour had a substantial amount of people [[https://dammitbands.tumblr.com/post/187993534727/here-is-actual-video-footage-i-took-of-thousands walking out of the arena]] moments after 5SOS finished playing.
23	* OlderThanTheyThink: Wait, people aren't sure if 5SOS is a pop punk band or a boy band? Are we talking about [[Music/McFly Mc]][[Music/{{Busted}} Busted]]? Furthermore, Music/FallOutBoy and Music/Blink182, two of 5SOS' talked about influences, also had "boy band" and "not punk enough" thrown at them back in the day, despite both bands having a stronger punk pedigree than 5SOS. Admittedly, 5SOS' production style (including multiple songwriters outside of the band and multiple vocalists in said band) and marketing of their first two releases under Capital Records errs closer to that of a boy band. Even after they shifted into pop rock, [=5SOS5=] was notable for being the first album they wrote and produced mostly by themselves. However, Fall Out Boy and blink-182 were also inadvertently marketed in ways appealing to teenage girls by third parties back at the height of their popularity and both bands, to varying extents and far more recently for blink-182, have embraced pop production and conventions. Like [=5SOS=], Fall Out Boy aren't above bringing in outside co-writers.
24	* SpiritualSuccessor:
25	** With 1D previously owning a large stake in the group and going on hiatus in 2016, many who consider 5SOS a boy band thought them to be the only currently active and internationally popular Western boy band left standing.
26	** It could be argued that 5SOS' initial success with radio friendly 90s-2000s inspired pop punk in the 2010s helped set the stage for Music/MachineGunKelly to properly bring it back to the mainstream in the 2020s. Like [=5SOS=],[=MGK=] is another artist with connections to the alt "scene" but was never truly a part of it who gained massive criticism for derivatives and taking "shortcuts" to popularity. Both acts also courted a loyal fanbase through their early use of social media.
27	* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: Examples include "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdLdqeNl5nQ Social Casualty]]" having an extremely similar instrumental to Music/FallOutBoy's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhG-vLZrb-g Sugar, We're Goin' Down]]" mixed with Music/AllTimeLow's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzHuXUdyQrs Me Without You]]" and "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T6o0iMfTbY 18]]" randomly using part of the instrumental to Music/FooFighters' "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBG7P-K-r1Y Everlong]]" at 1:54. This even got so bad that their lawyers advised them to give writer credits to the band members of Music/DuranDuran on the song "Hey Everybody!" due to it it having the exact same rhythm as "Hungry Like the Wolf."
28	* SignatureSong: "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2BYmmTI04I She Looks So Perfect]]" and "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RJSbO8UZVY Youngblood]]", the latter of which racked up a billion streams on Spotify.

Context YMMV / FiveSecondsOfSummer