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* {{Narm}}:
** Dracula's chuckle in response to Lisa's comment on garlic looks just plain goofy since it's just MouthFlaps at its finest.
** Glass managing to spike the Targoviste's Archbishop through the back in spite of him ''sitting''. Even more silly is his lack of reaction regarding his injuries.
** Dracula apparently becoming the medieval equivalent of a traveling salesman at Lisa's insistence. He's also addressed casually as "Mr. Tepes", which in reality means "Impaler" in Romanian.
** When Dracula starts ranting to Alucard about Lisa's murder, it becomes difficult to take the scene seriously, what with the poorly-drawn fangs in Dracula's mouth that stick out as though someone glued toothpicks to his gums. Same applies to Alucard when [[spoiler:he's fighting Trevor]]. Seriously, they almost look like rodent teeth at times.
** Same problem naturally also plagues Carmilla in several side shots, though curiously not other vampires she talks with (e.g. Godbrand). Probably the animators have issues with characters turning to the right.
** When Dracula comes back after a year and lectures the villagers for celebrating the death of his wife. He probably is intended to sound like TranquilFury, but since this comes right after such a dumb move on their part, you can easily interpret it as him being in disbelief that they might be ''that'' suicidal.
** When blood begins raining from the sky, heralding Dracula's return, all of the citizens in the capital look at the sky in confused terror, except for one guy who stares straight ahead in wide-eyed horror. While this could easily be interpreted as him simply displaying his horror in stunned silence, his behavior almost makes him seem like the [[OnlySaneMan one person]] in the capital who understands ''exactly'' [[OhCrap what's about to happen]].
** The entire exchange on bestiality.
** When the Bishop hammies it up in front of Trevor:
--->'''Bishop:''' You Belmonts never understood the power of the w''ooooo''rd of G''oooo''d!
** The ridiculous bitch-slap one of the priests gives Trevor after finding out that he had sheltered the Speakers.
** Trevor manages to not only pacify the AngryMob but also turns it against the priests in just a few short sentences without providing any evidence. [[TheDogBitesBack Though given how selfish and cruel the priests had been shown to be to random people, it probably wouldn't be hard to convince a bunch of abused villagers of their guilt.]] This is made worse by the fact that said mob immediately kills the priest in a violent way. Earlier in the episode, that exact attitude was pointed out as why people ''didn't'' deserve Trevor's help, making it a case of ProtagonistCenteredMorality. Just ''look'' at [[https://i.imgur.com/GBStpPO.gifv Trevor's confused face]] right after he finishes tearing into the priest (metaphorically) as one of them starts running up to the priest with a dagger to literally tear him apart.
** The fact that just four goblins + Blue Fangs assault Gresit, despite the end of the third episode showing dozens of them, zipping back and forth through the air.
** The swearing in general is often considered forced and it is hard to take some scenes seriously when a character suddenly drops some f-bombs casually, especially when it doesn't fit their character. It has also been seen as unfitting for as dark the games tend to be, swearing is often kept to a minimum and even then they rarely use words worse than ''damn''.
** The Season 2 finale is deeply moving, [[spoiler: as Alucard grieves for both his parents in the empty castle]], but the use of the [[StockSoundEffects Diddy Laugh]] for the memory of young Alucard almost ruins it.
** In Season 3, when Isaac and his monsters disembark the ship, the animation makes the horde of terrible monsters look utterly slagged from the trip. They don't look like they're about to tear people apart; they look like they just really need a nap. Adding to that, while they are on the ship, the crew looks nervous at the horde of nightmarish monsters just kind of... chilling out around the ship, not even looking that menacing outside of their looks.
** While it's agreed that the entirety of Season 3 has lent itself to some [[SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome beautiful scenery and fluid animation]], the penultimate episode where [[spoiler: the Infinite Corridor leads to Hell treats us to a scenic panning across the hellscape... using CGI that wouldn't look out of place in a '''Playstation 1 title'''. It doesn't help that Hell looks fairly generic from a [[FireAndBrimstoneHell design standpoint]]. You almost expect to hear a stock demonic laugh.]]
** [[spoiler:Death's]] very liberal use of swearing can take the sails out of what is otherwise an intimidating figure.
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** Dracula makes a [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters good case]] against humanity (and it's hard not to sympathize with him), but the fact that he murders ''everyone'' makes it clear he's not willing to turn back from his wrath. After Lisa's death, he almost fatally injures his own ''son'' when the latter tries to stop him.

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** Dracula makes a [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters good case]] against humanity (and it's hard not to sympathize with him), but the fact that he murders ''everyone'' makes it clear he's not willing to turn back from his wrath. After Lisa's death, he almost fatally injures his own ''son'' when the latter tries to stop him. [[spoiler: Rectified in the final moments of the series in a [[DownplayedTrope downplayed]] version of RedemptionEarnsLife]].
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* NightmareRetardant: Death is the most terrifying, and possibly the most powerful foe the heroes have ever faced, and looks like the epic FinalBoss the series deserves...[[spoiler:until he starts cussing like a drunken Cockney fratboy -- then he just comes across as silly.]]

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* NightmareRetardant: Death is the most terrifying, and possibly the most powerful foe the heroes have ever faced, and looks like the epic FinalBoss the series deserves... [[spoiler:until he starts cussing like a drunken Cockney fratboy -- then he just comes across as silly.]]
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* While many found the line in question to be [[{{Narm}} rather odd]], Blue Fangs' line to the Bishop, "Let me kiss you," is a reference to how Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus to the Pharisees with a kiss and handed him over to be killed, which is very much what Blue Fangs wryly implies God has done to the Bishop.

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* ** While many found the line in question to be [[{{Narm}} rather odd]], Blue Fangs' line to the Bishop, "Let me kiss you," is a reference to how Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus to the Pharisees with a kiss and handed him over to be killed, which is very much what Blue Fangs wryly implies God has done to the Bishop.
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* While many found the line in question to be [[{{Narm}} rather odd]], Blue Fangs' line to the Bishop, "Let me kiss you," is a reference to how Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus to the Pharisees with a kiss and handed him over to be killed, which is very much what Blue Fangs wryly implies God has done to the Bishop.
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** Season 2 gave us Carmilla who makes her [[SexyWalk voluptuous entrance]] in a [[LadyInRed skin-tight red dress]]. Being voiced by Jamie Murray also helps a lot.

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** Season 2 gave us Carmilla who makes her [[SexyWalk [[SupermodelStrut voluptuous entrance]] in a [[LadyInRed skin-tight red dress]]. Being voiced by Jamie Murray Creator/JamieMurray also helps a lot.

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* GeniusBonus: Striga's day armor, has a glass visor protecting her face that appears to be made out of gold. Astronaut's visors have gold in them to filter out ultraviolet light so they don't get burned. Which could work well for a vampire trying to protect themselves from daylight.

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** "Godbrand" seems an odd name for a vampire. But an actual Old Norse name is "Asbrand" (pronounced "AUS-brand"). "As" means roughly "of the gods/God," "Brand" relates to a sword, making the name mean "sword of the gods/God." They just translated the first part of the name and not the second, possibly because "Godsword" would sound even sillier.
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Striga's day armor, has a glass visor protecting her face that appears to be made out of gold. Astronaut's visors have gold in them to filter out ultraviolet light so they don't get burned. Which could work well for a vampire trying to protect themselves from daylight.
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** [[The Magic Dagger Trevor uses to kill Death. Outside of some small scenes here and there of him finding the pieces, there is no build up or explanation about it prior to it's use, and then a fast-paced explanation is given in the last episode about what it is comes off very clumsilsy and forced. It basically ends up coming off like a DeusExMachina to give Trevor an out on how to actually fight Death.]]

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** [[The Magic Dagger Trevor uses to kill Death. Outside of some small scenes here and there of him finding the pieces, there is no build up or explanation about it prior to it's use, and then a fast-paced explanation is given in the last episode about what it is comes off very clumsilsy and forced. It basically ends up coming off like a DeusExMachina to give Trevor an out on how to actually fight Death.]]
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* CriticalResearchFailure: Depicting the main church of Wallachia as Catholic. Romania is actually mostly Eastern Orthodox and had virtually zero Catholic representation in the time period the series is set.
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* SpiritualAdaptation: A lot of fans of ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'' would consider this to be a better adaptation of its themes and tone than the [[Anime/Berserk2016 official anime released in 2016]]. A comparison that grew in Season 4 with the showing of Striga's 'day armor,' which bears a certain resemblance to the Berserker Armor from the series.

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* SpiritualAdaptation: SpiritualSuccessor: A lot of fans of ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'' would consider this to be a better adaptation of its themes and tone than the [[Anime/Berserk2016 official anime released in 2016]]. A comparison that grew in Season 4 with the showing of Striga's 'day armor,' which bears a certain resemblance to the Berserker Armor from the series.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow:
** One minor complaint about Season 1 is the lack of recognizable music from the games, given ''Castlevania'' has several tracks that are deemed iconic. In the penultimate episode of Season 2, our heroes storm Dracula's castle with an orchestral remix of the popular track ''Bloody Tears''.
** Season 1 was criticized for either focusing on human {{mooks}} or generic demons without any recognizable foes from the series outside of the Cyclops. Season 2 ditches the humans entirely and gives a more diverse visual to the demons, whose appearance is pulled straight from enemies in the games like Slogra and Gaibon. They also focus more on the villains' point-of-view since Dracula only appeared in the first episode of Season 1 and adds a colorful rogues gallery with his generals.
** Isaac's depiction in ''Curse of Darkness'' was an ''extremely'' problematic example of a gay character. Not only was he a maniac eager to aid in the slaughter of mankind,[[note]]His entire motivation was to resurrect Dracula so he can return to doing so, and the game's inciting incident is quite ironically him framing Hector's wife for witchcraft and getting her burnt at the stake while Hector is away as retaliation for Hector betraying Dracula[[/note]] a rare example of a scantily clad male character but done so more for FanDisservice reasons, a borderline CombatSadomasochist, and the way the game made his sexuality explicit was by having him kiss Trevor on the cheek as he stabbed him. This version of Isaac's sexuality is handled much more subtly and not in any way linked to his siding against mankind, he has a much more sympathetic backstory, lacks the original character's [[FashionVictimVillain abominable costume]], and his motivation for siding with Dracula is much more sympathetic than "I'm an AxCrazy psychopath." His RaceLift also adds solid diversity to the cast, helped by Adetokumboh M'Cormack's ''excellent'' and soulful performance.
** Carmilla in Season 2 talks big and has impressive ambitions, but she's TooCleverByHalf and her one scheme backfires and wipes out most of her forces. Season 3 reveals that she works and rules alongside her three sisters, who acknowledge that her schemes are wild and baseless, but are capable of constructing a base around her dream.
** Hector in Season 2 falls for Carmilla's plans, but learns by Season 3. He knows that Lenore is only nice to him to get him on her side, and attacks the moment she's in range. [[spoiler:It takes her the whole season for her to gaslight and break him]].
** After Season 2's AutomatonHorses never reacted to ''any'' level of violence near them (not even their owners getting butchered or eaten alive by huge night monsters or brigands right on top of them), Season 3 opens with Sypha and Trevor's horses getting spooked during their fight with night creatures.
** Season 4 undoes almost ''all'' of the bleakness of Season 3.
*** Still haunted by their experiences, Trevor and Sypha resolve to stop "reacting" to problems and actively start taking their own initiative, frequently even ignoring their current "benefactor's" request to do things their way. And their efforts prove to be correct.
*** For that matter, as early as the first episode, Trevor and Sypha manage to save several groups of hostages from being used as brutal sacrifices for Dracula's resurrection without a single one dying, in contrast with Season 3, which ended with [[EverybodysDeadDave everyone in Lindenfeld dying]]. Indeed, until the last few episodes, the body count of bystanders is fairly low by this series' standards.
*** Despite having his heart broken [[spoiler:in Season 3, Alucard resolves to help the town of Danasti against the Night Creatures, in the process gaining a new LoveInterest and a new FamilyOfChoice.]]
*** Isaac takes time to think about everything he's learned and been through, and resolves that destroying evil and making the world a better place is better than simply destroying everything wholesale. He even places his thirst for vengeance against Hector aside and reconciles with him, using his power and army to instead defeat Carmilla.
*** Season 4 undoes the AdaptationalWimp treatment given to Hector in full force, with him [[spoiler: out-scheming the entire Styrian Council, playing Lenore into his hands effortlessly, making amends with Isaac, and generally proving to be a genuinely brilliant plotter when he's not held back by his own FatalFlaw.]] He gets a happy ending in ''Episode 6'', and no more time is spent on showcasing his suffering, completely averting the TrappedByMountainLions criticisms he received. Even his relationship with [[spoiler: Lenore]] is improved; [[spoiler: he is still her prisoner and schemes against her, but the two genuinely care about and protect each other. And even when Lenore takes her own life, she does it on her own terms and with Hector's blessing.]]
*** Whereas Season 3 ended with everyone except Isaac, Carmilla's "sisters", and St. Germain suffering an unambiguous DownerEnding, Season 4, and thus the series, ends with [[spoiler: almost everyone ending with an unambiguously happy ending. The only "protagonist" characters to die are Carmilla, Lenore, and St. Germain, all of whom get some measure of control of the terms of their deaths. Lenore dies entirely on her own terms and while being loved, and Carmilla and St. Germain only didn't get what they wanted becaue they already ''had'' it, but lost it to MotiveDecay.]] The only characters who don't get on-screen closure are Isaac's minions [=FlysEyes=] and Abel.

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* AssPull:
** [[spoiler:Taka and Sumi's seduction and betrayal of Alucard.]] Not only did many find it [[NoYay disturbing]], many felt it came out of nowhere and only served as an excuse to undo a lot of Alucard's character progession. [[spoiler:Worse yet, we have multiple scenes of the two conversing privately, and if one isn't reading heavily into their conversations, they only show a mild distrust of him, and certainly not a desire to kill him.]]
** [[spoiler:Dracula and Lisa suddenly being alive and well in the end comes completely out of nowhere and makes no sense. While Season 4's happier tone was well received, this was considered pushing it the point of absurdity and trying too hard to make up for Season 3's excessive darkness.]]

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AssPull: [[spoiler:Taka and Sumi's seduction and betrayal of Alucard.]] Not only did many find it [[NoYay disturbing]], many felt it came out of nowhere and only served as an excuse to undo a lot of Alucard's character progession. [[spoiler:Worse yet, we have multiple scenes of the two conversing privately, and if one isn't reading heavily into their conversations, they only show a mild distrust of him, and certainly not a desire to kill him.]]
** [[spoiler:Dracula and Lisa suddenly being alive and well in the end comes completely out of nowhere and makes no sense. While Season 4's happier tone was well received, this was considered pushing it the point of absurdity and trying too hard to make up for Season 3's excessive darkness.
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* AssPull: [[spoiler: Taka and Sumi's seduction and betrayal of Alucard.]] Not only did many find it [[NoYay disturbing]], many felt it came out of nowhere and only served as an excuse to undo a lot of Alucard's character progession. [[spoiler: Worse yet, we have multiple scenes of the two conversing privately, and if one isn't reading heavily into their conversations, they only show a mild distrust of him, and certainly not a desire to kill him.]]

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and Sumi's seduction and betrayal of Alucard.]] Not only did many find it [[NoYay disturbing]], many felt it came out of nowhere and only served as an excuse to undo a lot of Alucard's character progession. [[spoiler: Worse [[spoiler:Worse yet, we have multiple scenes of the two conversing privately, and if one isn't reading heavily into their conversations, they only show a mild distrust of him, and certainly not a desire to kill him.]]
** [[spoiler:Dracula and Lisa suddenly being alive and well in the end comes completely out of nowhere and makes no sense. While Season 4's happier tone was well received, this was considered pushing it the point of absurdity and trying too hard to make up for Season 3's excessive darkness.
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** It's telling that fans utterly rejoiced at seeing none other than [[spoiler: ''Death'']] in the show's final season, looking absolutely awesome and manipulating people to his own ends right under their noses, not to mention being voiced by Creator/MalcolmMcDowell.
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** It's telling that fans utterly rejoiced at seeing none other than [[spoiler: ''Death'']] [[spoiler:''Death'']] in the show's final season, looking absolutely awesome and manipulating people to his own ends right under their noses, not to mention being voiced by Creator/MalcolmMcDowell.
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* {{Glurge}}: [[spoiler: Dracula and Lisa suddenly being alive and well in the end comes completely out of nowhere and makes no sense. While Season 4's happier tone was well received, this was considered pushing it the point of absurdity and trying too hard to make up for Season 3's excessive darkness.]]
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** [[WellIntentionedExtremist Hector]] is a [[MakerOfMonsters Devil Forgemaster]] who came into Dracula's service due to his desire to cull humanity's worst elements. Though initially easily deceived by Carmilla in a plot that leads to Dracula's death and enslaved by Carmilla's sister Lenore, Hector abandons his naive nature and begins plotting against the [[Characters/Castlevania2017AntagonistsStyrianCouncil Styrian Council]]. Hector proceeds in planning the bulk of Dracula's resurrection, stalling the Styrians' plans, and preparing traps and escape routes in the event of emergency, even noticing that something's off about a well-disguised Death. Upon the arrival of Dracula's vengeful ally Isaac, Hector traps Lenore in a magical cage and freely offers his life to Isaac before making peace with him when he realizes Isaac is not here to kill him. Hector then improvises his escape route into a path straight for Carmilla's death to save the world from her and cuts off his own finger to aid Isaac along that path, all while keeping a calm demeanor. After a lifetime of torment and abuse, Hector [[EarnYourHappyEnding creates his own happiness]], vowing to write a book to keep others from making his mistakes.

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** [[WellIntentionedExtremist Hector]] is a [[MakerOfMonsters Devil Forgemaster]] who came into Dracula's service due to his desire to cull humanity's worst elements. Though initially easily deceived by Carmilla in a plot that leads to Dracula's death and enslaved by Carmilla's sister Lenore, Hector abandons his naive nature and begins plotting against the [[Characters/Castlevania2017AntagonistsStyrianCouncil [[Characters/Castlevania2017StyrianCouncil Styrian Council]]. Hector proceeds in planning the bulk of Dracula's resurrection, stalling the Styrians' plans, and preparing traps and escape routes in the event of emergency, even noticing that something's off about a well-disguised Death. Upon the arrival of Dracula's vengeful ally Isaac, Hector traps Lenore in a magical cage and freely offers his life to Isaac before making peace with him when he realizes Isaac is not here to kill him. Hector then improvises his escape route into a path straight for Carmilla's death to save the world from her and cuts off his own finger to aid Isaac along that path, all while keeping a calm demeanor. After a lifetime of torment and abuse, Hector [[EarnYourHappyEnding creates his own happiness]], vowing to write a book to keep others from making his mistakes.
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* MemeticMutation:
** Although the video game series' famous "wall chicken" only appeared briefly as an easter egg, the fandom has generally agreed that Trevor Belmont is ''exactly'' the kind of person who would eat InexplicablyPreservedDungeonMeat that he found inside a wall, while Sypha looks on in disgust. Often with the quote "Just like mother used to make!"
** "Floating Vampire Jesus".[[labelnote:Explanation]]Sypha has been searching for the Sleeping Soldier, a messiah-like figure from local legend to help face Dracula. When she and Trevor discover the Sleeping Soldier to be Alucard, Trevor sarcastically calls him "[her] floating vampire Jesus". The phrase has quickly become Alucard's FanNickname.[[/labelnote]]
** "Please. This isn't a(n) [website/pointless argument/anything on the internet] Have some class."[[labelnote:Explanation]]After Trevor knees Alucard in the crotch in the midst of their duel, and results in a NoSell from Alucard, Alucard chides Trevor with "Please. This isn't a barfight. Have some class." People quickly started using it as a way of dismissing low blows (e.g. name-calling, your mom jokes, etc.) in internet flame wars.[[/labelnote]]
** "See? God hates me." [[labelnote:Explanation]]Sypha's argument about her religious beliefs has become a joking shorthand on the internet, usually referenced by the victims of [[FelonyMisdemeanor incredibly minor inconveniences.]][[/labelnote]]
** "Lies? In your house of God?" [[labelnote:Explanation]]In the Season 1 finale, Blue Fangs says this to the Bishop of Gresit when the latter spews excuses as to why he killed Lisa. The same phrase can be used for someone who is obviously lying, especially when they're acting high and mighty. It's also used to create hilarious [[https://ifunny.co/picture/lies-in-your-house-of-god-it-s-more-likely-PPSZlAHy4 fake ads like this one here.]][[/labelnote]]
** Dracula's angry reaction to learning of Lisa's death, particularly the line "you will tell me why this thing has happened to my wife", is often brought up by fans of female characters who suffer some sort of tragedy or mistreatment.
** "[[GoMadFromTheIsolation ...oh my God. I'm losing my mind.]]" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Alucard's realization in Season 3 that his sanity is being taxed by living in self-imposed exile. Especially poignant after the Coronavirus pandemic forced many people to self-isolate to stem the virus's spread.[[/labelnote]]
** What the ''fuck'' is toilet paper? [[labelnote:Explanation]]The Judge's response to Saint Germaine's casual mention that he's someone who's seen toilet paper before, a novelty for the time period. Especially poignant after the Coronavirus pandemic caused people to hoard toilet paper.[[/labelnote]]
** "The definition of insanity"[[labelnote:Explanation]]Isaac references this meme centuries before [[VideoGame/FarCry3 video games]] and [[WebVideo/UrinatingTree sports commentators]] would routinely use it, while the general human population sends him down the MaddenIntoMisanthropy route[[/labelnote]]
** Hector is a Good Boy [[labelnote:Explanation]]The third season ends with Hector becoming the slave and "pet" of Lenore's. The fact that she treated Hector like a dog throughout the season and peppered "Good Boy" with any compliment she gave him, combined with his MemeticLoser status made for this becoming a saying to mock him.[[/labelnote]]
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* SoOkayItsAverage: The overall consensus of Season 3. It has some especially good animation and shout-outs to the games, but has a lot of filler episodes resulting in the story not advancing as much as previous seasons. It has also faced heavy criticism for being needlessly dark and pessimistic.

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* SoOkayItsAverage: The overall consensus of Season 3.3 to those who are more merciful to it. It has some especially good animation and shout-outs to the games, but has a lot of filler episodes resulting in the story not advancing as much as previous seasons. It has also faced heavy criticism for being needlessly dark and pessimistic. It especially compares poorly to the following Season 4 which had much tighter writing and a more idealistic tone.



* VideoGameMoviesSuck: Not a movie, and there have been decent animated series adaptations of video games in the past (mostly {{Anime}}), but Adi Shankar flat out declared his intention to "end the streak of bad video game adaptations" with this series. He seems to have succeeded with the first season, which got fairly good reviews, to the point where Rotten Tomatoes themselves congratulated the series for being the first ever Video Game adaptation to have a Fresh rating on their site [[note]] 79% fresh [[/note]]. Praise came for the character of Trevor Belmont being delightful as a snarky asshole, for making Dracula sympathetic, and the action scenes being very intense, with high praise going to the demons descending and Trevor versus Alucard in Episode 4. The second season managed to climb up to 100 percent thanks to it's vastly expanded cast, new and interesting characters, more great action sequences, and a heaping helping of game-faithful elements. Season 3 would become the most divisive season, but still received positive reviews, and Season 4 is widely regarded as an improvement and excellent closer.

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* VideoGameMoviesSuck: Not a movie, and there have been decent animated series adaptations of video games in the past (mostly {{Anime}}), but Adi Shankar flat out declared his intention to "end the streak of bad video game adaptations" with this series. He seems to have Adi Shankee has mostly succeeded with the his goal too. The first season, which got fairly good reviews, to the point where Rotten Tomatoes themselves congratulated the series for being the first ever Video Game adaptation to have a Fresh rating on their site [[note]] 79% fresh [[/note]]. Praise came for the character of Trevor Belmont being delightful as a snarky asshole, for making Dracula sympathetic, and the action scenes being very intense, with high praise going to the demons descending and Trevor versus Alucard in Episode 4. The second season managed to climb up to 100 percent thanks to it's vastly expanded cast, new and interesting characters, more great action sequences, and a heaping helping of game-faithful elements. Season 3 would become the most divisive season, but still received unfortunately be a straighter example, receiving positive reviews, ratings from critics but being mostly maligned by fans for its [[TrappedByMountainLions poorer writing]] and [[TooBleakStoppedCaring excessive darkness.]] Season 4 on the other hand is widely regarded as an a vast improvement and an excellent closer. closer to the show.

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* DiagnosedByTheAudience:
** While not officially stated, Season 2 shows that Dracula is suffering from signs of depression: MoodSwinger nature (aloofness to despondency to anger), not "feeding" on any blood, not planning ahead, shoving people away (except for a notable few), and suicidal thoughts (which have been noted by both Godbrand and Alucard). In fact, one reason why people may suffer from depression is the loss of a loved one (with Dracula losing [[LivingEmotionalCrutch Lisa]]).
** Season 2 shows that Trevor may be experiencing untreated depression -- He uses alcohol to forget his trauma, is noted to be self-destructive by Alucard, tends to avoid talking about his troubled past (even when he's not in danger), and said troubled past left him somewhat emotionally stunted.
** Similarly to Trevor, Alucard is heavily implied to have depression. The death of his mother and the mission to kill his father has left him deeply upset, with Sypha describing him outright as, “an icy well of sadness”. After Dracula’s death, he expresses an intent to go back to sleep under Gresit for an unspecified amount of time [[note]] a desire to sleep forever is widely accepted as a symptom of depression and suicidality[[/note]], and breaks down in tears once he’s left alone.
** Despite Hector's overall brilliance and the horror-show that was his upbringing, his worldview is oddly naive, and he has significant difficulty relating to other people or interacting with members of the court. On top of that, he's very easy to manipulate, as noted by both Carmilla and Dracula. At least one theory pegs him as autistic.

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* DiagnosedByTheAudience:
** While not officially stated, Season 2 shows that Dracula is suffering from signs of depression: MoodSwinger nature (aloofness to despondency to anger), not "feeding" on any blood, not planning ahead, shoving people away (except for a notable few), and suicidal thoughts (which have been noted by both Godbrand and Alucard). In fact, one reason why people may suffer from depression is the loss of a loved one (with Dracula losing [[LivingEmotionalCrutch Lisa]]).
** Season 2 shows that Trevor may be experiencing untreated depression -- He uses alcohol to forget his trauma, is noted to be self-destructive by Alucard, tends to avoid talking about his troubled past (even when he's not in danger), and said troubled past left him somewhat emotionally stunted.
** Similarly to Trevor, Alucard is heavily implied to have depression. The death of his mother and the mission to kill his father has left him deeply upset, with Sypha describing him outright as, “an icy well of sadness”. After Dracula’s death, he expresses an intent to go back to sleep under Gresit for an unspecified amount of time [[note]] a desire to sleep forever is widely accepted as a symptom of depression and suicidality[[/note]], and breaks down in tears once he’s left alone.
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DiagnosedByTheAudience: Despite Hector's overall brilliance and the horror-show that was his upbringing, his worldview is oddly naive, and he has significant difficulty relating to other people or interacting with members of the court. On top of that, he's very easy to manipulate, as noted by both Carmilla and Dracula. At least one theory pegs him as autistic.

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If it gets foreshadowing, then by definition, it's not an Ass Pull


* AssPull:
** [[spoiler: Taka and Sumi's seduction and betrayal of Alucard.]] Not only did many find it [[NoYay disturbing]], many felt it came out of nowhere and only served as an excuse to undo a lot of Alucard's character progession. [[spoiler: Worse yet, we have multiple scenes of the two conversing privately, and if one isn't reading heavily into their conversations, they only show a mild distrust of him, and certainly not a desire to kill him.]]
** While it doesn't completely lack foreshadowing, many found the posthumous reveal that [[spoiler: the Judge was a serial killer of children]] to be unnecessary. It serves only to shock the audience and further darken the season, while not advancing the plot in any way.

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AssPull: [[spoiler: Taka and Sumi's seduction and betrayal of Alucard.]] Not only did many find it [[NoYay disturbing]], many felt it came out of nowhere and only served as an excuse to undo a lot of Alucard's character progession. [[spoiler: Worse yet, we have multiple scenes of the two conversing privately, and if one isn't reading heavily into their conversations, they only show a mild distrust of him, and certainly not a desire to kill him.]]
** While it doesn't completely lack foreshadowing, many found the posthumous reveal that [[spoiler: the Judge was a serial killer of children]] to be unnecessary. It serves only to shock the audience and further darken the season, while not advancing the plot in any way.
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** This series has been criticized for introducing [[CorruptChurch supposed anti-Christian themes]] in a setting that's supposedly free from it.[[note]]Not helped by Creator/WarrenEllis' own history with anti-church sentiments, or the fact that Sypha has been retconned from being a Christian mystic to a group stated to be ''hated'' by God (granted, by an incredibly corrupt clergyman).[[/note]] In actuality, [[LightIsNotGood holy]]-[[HolyIsNotSafe themed]] antagonists have always been a staple of ''Castlevania'', albeit mostly as fallen angels and other divine beings working for Dracula, for unknown reasons.

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** This series has been criticized for introducing [[CorruptChurch supposed anti-Christian themes]] in a setting that's supposedly free from it.[[note]]Not helped by Creator/WarrenEllis' own history with anti-church sentiments, or the fact that Sypha has been retconned from being a Christian mystic to being from a group stated to be ''hated'' by God (granted, by an incredibly corrupt clergyman).God.[[/note]] In actuality, [[LightIsNotGood holy]]-[[HolyIsNotSafe themed]] antagonists have always been a staple of ''Castlevania'', the ''Castlevania'' games, albeit mostly as fallen angels and other divine beings working for Dracula, who serve Dracula for unknown reasons.



** Similarly the sex scene between [[spoiler: Hector and Lenore also quickly veers into it. While initially on a consensual basis, it ends with Lenore taking advantage of Hector now in a vulnerable state to slip a slave ring on his hand and "bound" him to her. The kicker is this scene plays out concurrently with the aforementioned threesome. And while Alucard ultimately kills Sumi and Taka, Hector is still Lenore's slave by season's end and she throws out there that he is very much going to get used for sex as well.]]
** Alucard mentioning that his pee is coming out as scabs and wax in the first episode of Season 4.

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** Similarly the sex scene between [[spoiler: Hector and Lenore also quickly veers into it. While initially on a consensual basis, it ends with Lenore taking advantage of Hector now in a vulnerable state to slip a slave ring on his hand and "bound" "bind" him to her. The kicker is this scene plays out concurrently with the aforementioned threesome. And while Alucard ultimately kills Sumi and Taka, Hector is still Lenore's slave by season's end and she throws out there states that he is very much going to get used for sex as well.]]
** Alucard mentioning that his pee is coming out as scabs and wax in the first episode of Season 4. We don't see it, but the image it brings to mind is by no means pleasant to think about.
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** Hector always had an uphill battle to be liked by fans, considering his nature as an AdaptationalWimp as opposed to his counterpart from the games, but he reached this territory by Season 3, as his arc was very similar to that of Season 2 in that he spent it being toyed with and manipulated. Hector's fans like him due to him being an absolute JerkassWoobie, whose suffering is constant and whose motives are sympathetic, and have expressed hope that he'll [[TookALevelInBadass become more competent]], feeling his arc is likely a slow-burn into his eventual development into the badass of the games. His critics feel that his plotline is a [[TrappedByMountainLions pointless]] time-waster, don't like how helpless he always is and how easily manipulated he tends to be, [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass especially compared to his game counterpart and fellow Forgemaster Isaac]], and many outright dismiss his plotline and [[MemeticLoser mock the character]].
** Lenore. Some viewers see her as a ManipulativeBitch and offer her no sympathy, believing that she deserved her fate. Others ship her with Hector, and believe she was worthy of a redemption arc.

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** This show's version of Hector always had an uphill battle to be liked by fans, considering he is [[AdaptationalWimp nowhere near fighter]] his nature as an AdaptationalWimp as opposed to his game counterpart from the games, is, but he reached this territory by what truly made him divisive was his Season 3, as his 3 arc where he was very similar to that of being manipulated and toyed with, just like in Season 2 in that he spent it being toyed with and manipulated.2. Hector's fans like him due to him being an absolute JerkassWoobie, whose suffering is constant and whose motives are sympathetic, and have expressed hope that he'll [[TookALevelInBadass become more competent]], feeling his arc is likely a slow-burn into his eventual development into the badass of the games. His critics feel that his plotline is a [[TrappedByMountainLions pointless]] time-waster, don't like how helpless he always is and how easily manipulated he tends to be, [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass especially compared to his game counterpart and fellow Forgemaster Isaac]], and many outright dismiss his plotline and [[MemeticLoser mock the character]].
** Lenore. Some viewers see her Lenore as a ManipulativeBitch and offer her no sympathy, believing that she deserved her fate. Others ship her with Hector, and believe she was worthy of a redemption arc.



** When Season 3 released, the fandom collectively assumed that Taka and Sumi were siblings. Their similar looks, personalities, and LikeBrotherAndSister dynamic almost certainly had a lot to do with it, but even after [[WordOfGod the director stated on Twitter]] that the two are ''not'' related, the misconception continued. Not helping is that [[spoiler:despite their threesome sex scene with Alucard, the long discourse on bestiality that closed the series premiere means what barely counts as BrotherSisterIncest is hardly beyond the pale for this show.]]

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** When Season 3 released, the fandom collectively assumed that Taka and Sumi were siblings. Their similar looks, personalities, and LikeBrotherAndSister [[LikeBrotherAndSister sibling-like]] dynamic almost certainly had a lot to do with it, but even after [[WordOfGod the director stated on Twitter]] that the two are ''not'' related, the misconception continued. Not helping is that [[spoiler:despite their threesome sex scene with Alucard, the long discourse on bestiality that closed the series premiere means what barely counts as BrotherSisterIncest is hardly beyond the pale for this show.]]



*** Likewise, by series end, Striga and Morana are almost played off as outright tragic heroes, victims of Carmilla's ambition and manipulation, who just want to leave to live and love each other in peace once they recognize that humans aren't animals and have a right to fight for their lives. Their fans are, of course, overlooking that Striga was straight up cutting dudes and horses in half a few episodes earlier, [[spoiler:or that they casually abandoned Lenore after just assuming she was dead without bothering to check on her well-being.]]

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*** Likewise, by series end, Striga and Morana are almost played off as outright tragic heroes, victims of Carmilla's ambition and manipulation, who just want to leave to live and love each other in peace once they recognize that humans aren't animals and have a right to fight for their lives. Their fans are, of course, overlooking that Striga was straight up cutting dudes and horses in half killing humans a few episodes earlier, [[spoiler:or that they casually abandoned Lenore after just assuming she was dead without bothering to check on her well-being.]]
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: When it was announced that ''Franchise/{{Castlevania}}'' would be adapted into an animated series, many fans were skeptical. Even discounting the [[VideoGameMoviesSuck already-dismal track record of game-to-movie adaptations]], the skepticism rose when it was announced that Creator/FrederatorStudios would be producing it, since the company is better known for comedies aimed towards children. Furthermore, Creator/{{Konami}} had just entered an AudienceAlienatingEra resulting from their exit from the console game business and their firing of Creator/HideoKojima, leaving people rather unenthused about Konami-related products in general. When the series premiered, it got rave reviews, and ensured that four seasons of the show would be produced, with all four receiving high marks. [[https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/castlevania The entire series has a 94% positive score on Rotten Tomatoes]], with Seasons 2 and 4 in particular earning a 100% positive rating.

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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: When it was announced that ''Franchise/{{Castlevania}}'' would be adapted into an animated series, many fans were skeptical. Even discounting the [[VideoGameMoviesSuck already-dismal track record of game-to-movie video game adaptations]], the skepticism rose when it was announced that Creator/FrederatorStudios would be producing it, since the company is better known for comedies aimed towards children. Furthermore, Creator/{{Konami}} had just entered an AudienceAlienatingEra resulting from their exit from the console game business and their firing of Creator/HideoKojima, leaving people rather unenthused about Konami-related products in general. When the series premiered, it got rave reviews, and ensured that four seasons of the show would be produced, with all four receiving high marks. [[https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/castlevania The entire series has a 94% positive score on Rotten Tomatoes]], with Seasons 2 and 4 in particular earning a 100% positive rating.
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** A few of the comments Trevor makes to the priests in Season 1 imply that they might not be priests, just soldiers, and thugs in robes. Trevor emphasizes that the knife one draws on him is a "thief's knife" and when he puts a call forth for the good priest his remarks imply that the others weren't properly ordained (that priest having the power to bless and consecrate water whereas the others could not). On the other hand, a number of the priests were seen serving the church before the country went to hell and it's clear that being ordained doesn't necessarily give them the power to ward off the demons, but rather their morality (the Bishop's ability to fend off demons being withdrawn from him by God because he was an evil man). They could still just be official priests and Trevor's comments were simply him trying to get under their skin or just could indicate that he doesn't think of them as "true" priests.

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** A few of the comments Trevor makes to the priests in Season 1 imply that they might not be priests, just soldiers, soldiers and thugs in robes. Trevor emphasizes that the knife one draws on him is a "thief's knife" and when he puts a call forth for the good priest his remarks imply that the others weren't properly ordained (that priest having the power to bless and consecrate water whereas the others could not). On the other hand, a number of the priests were seen serving the church before the country went to hell and it's clear that being ordained doesn't necessarily give them the power to ward off the demons, but rather their morality (the Bishop's ability to fend off demons being withdrawn from him by God because he was an evil man). They could still just be official priests and Trevor's comments were simply him trying to get under their skin or just could just indicate that he doesn't think of them as "true" priests.
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: While the show in general flirted with this from the beginning, due to the gruesome deaths, and the general CrapsackWorld the characters all live in, there was always hope and the feeling that things would get better, as Trevor, Sypha, and Alucard began to take down Dracula. However, Season 3 seemed to dial up the grim nature of the show UpToEleven, with every character at best fitting into a BlackAndGrayMorality spectrum, or otherwise pulling a DiabolusExMachina at the end, not to mention the fact that no one except Isaac received a happy ending to the season in any capacity (and this is at a point where Isaac, while still portrayed sympathetically, is being set up as one of the show's villains). Season 4, however, fixed this with a constant question of whether or not people, vampires, and night creatures can be better than their base instincts, and it gives nearly every sympathetic character a happy ending that [[EarnYourHappyEnding they worked oh so hard to get]].

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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: While the show in general flirted with this from the beginning, due to the gruesome deaths, and the general CrapsackWorld the characters all live in, there was always hope and the feeling that things would get better, as Trevor, Sypha, and Alucard began to take down Dracula. However, Season 3 seemed to dial up the grim nature of the show UpToEleven, up to eleven, with every character at best fitting into a BlackAndGrayMorality spectrum, or otherwise pulling a DiabolusExMachina at the end, not to mention the fact that no one except Isaac received a happy ending to the season in any capacity (and this is at a point where Isaac, while still portrayed sympathetically, is being set up as one of the show's villains). Season 4, however, fixed this with a constant question of whether or not people, vampires, and night creatures can be better than their base instincts, and it gives nearly every sympathetic character a happy ending that [[EarnYourHappyEnding they worked oh so hard to get]].
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** Despite Hector's overall brilliance and the horror-show that was his upbringing, his worldview is oddly naive, and he has significant difficulty relating to other people or interacting with members of the court. On top of that, he's very easy to manipulate, as noted by both Carmilla and Dracula. At least one theory pegs him as autistic.
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** Similarly to Trevor, Alucard is heavily implied to have depression. The death of his mother and the mission to kill his father has left him deeply upset, with Sypha describing him outright as, “an icy well of sadness”. After Dracula’s death, he expresses an intent to go back to sleep under Gresit for an unspecified amount of time [[note]] a desire to sleep forever is widely accepted as a symptom of depression and suicidality[[/note]], and breaks down in tears once he’s left alone.
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** The nameless priest in Episode 4, who's a genuinely LawfulGood man of the cloth who, despite being terrified, was an essential support unit in Trevor's plan to retake Wallachia.

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** The nameless priest in Episode 4, who's a genuinely LawfulGood good man of the cloth who, despite being terrified, was an essential support unit in Trevor's plan to retake Wallachia.
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** Saint Germain has gone through quite a lot in his quest for the Infinite Corridor. What were those adventures like?
** Season 4 reveals that some of the antagonists have met each other before. [[spoiler: This includes Hector knowing Saint Germain and warning him not to trust Varney, and Isaac also knows Varney separately]]. How did the characters first meet, and what led to those encounters?
** [[spoiler:Dracula and Lisa being revived and seeking to travel the world]] has been touched on by quite a few fanfic writers, usually in relation to how others [[spoiler:(mostly their son Alucard)]] react to that bit of information. How does that information turn out, as well as said reactions?
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* FanficFuel: This series provides lots of ideas for fanfic writers to pull on and explore, with one or two having already been tackled in some depth.
** Up to the time of Lisa's death, Dracula was away on a trip as part of his honoring her wish for him to "live as a man, travel as a man." [[spoiler:The series finale even indicates that the town he wants to retire to with Lisa was one he came across during said travels]]. What were his adventures like, and where did he go?
** Dracula's personal past and his antagonistic history with the Belmont family are only briefly alluded to at times. Assuming those plot points are not the same as in the games, how did Dracula become a vampire and start his feud with the Belmonts?
** Among Dracula's vampiric generals, the only ones who we get any kind of background on are Carmilla, Godbrand, and Cho (the last one being recounted by Sumi and Taka in Season 3). What sort of rulership do the others have in their respective home territories, and how did they establish themselves?
** Speaking of Carmilla, how did she and the Styrian Sisters meet?
** Trevor is an ExperiencedProtagonist at the time we meet him during the series premiere. We know he had to endure his family name being slandered and his relatives being massacred/excommunicated, which explains a lot of his bitterness toward the Church. What sort of adventures did he have in between that traumatic past and the present day? And on a related note, we get snippets of his recounting of various adventures with Sypha in between the end of Season 2 and the start of Season 3 (including [[NoodleIncident the flying devil-goat creatures whose turds were on fire]]), and we get glimpses of other adventures they have in Season 4--what sparked all of those?
** The climax of Season 3 has the protagonists see [[spoiler:Dracula and Lisa]] in Hell together, and that experience is briefly referred to later in Season 4. How did that experience go?
** During his travels in Season 3, Isaac meets characters such as the blind trader, the ship captain, and the mad former devil-forger, none of whom are fazed by him and his hordes of night-creatures. What were their respective life experiences like, so much so that they've basically SeenItAll by the respective times they all meet Isaac?
** Greta of Danesti is basically the HeroOfAnotherStory prior to her meeting Alucard. All we know about her is that she once had a boyfriend and a girlfriend at the same time and that the boyfriend's wife tried to kill her with a pitchfork, and--more importantly--she's been protecting the people of Danesti for quite some time, only calling on Alucard to come and help because their defenses have gotten more compromised by that point. What kind of adventures did she have up to that time?

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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Season 2 shows that Trevor may be experiencing untreated depression -- He uses alcohol to forget his trauma, is noted to be self-destructive by Alucard, tends to avoid talking about his troubled past (even when he's not in danger), and said troubled past left him somewhat emotionally stunted.

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Season 2 shows that Dracula is suffering from signs of depression: MoodSwinger nature (aloofness to despondency to anger), not "feeding" on any blood, not planning ahead, shoving people away (except for a notable few), and suicidal thoughts (which have been noted by both Godbrand and Alucard). In fact, one reason why people may suffer from depression is the loss of a loved one (with Dracula losing [[LivingEmotionalCrutch Lisa]]).
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2 shows that Trevor may be experiencing untreated depression -- He uses alcohol to forget his trauma, is noted to be self-destructive by Alucard, tends to avoid talking about his troubled past (even when he's not in danger), and said troubled past left him somewhat emotionally stunted.

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