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[[WMG:In Dark Of The Moon, Megatron will be killed by either Starscream or Shockwave]]

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[[WMG: Earth and Cybertron have a bigger connection than the obvious]]
Think about it. The Allspark was thrown into space, and drifts for thousands of years, and what planet does it land on? The planet where there just happens to be a Cybertronian Sun-exploder. Where a massive robot civil war was fought and, in fact, probably started. Where the corpses of most of the original Cybertronians form a tomb for another Cybertronian MacGuffin. This cannot be coincidence.
[[WMG: [[spoiler: Alice]]really is..]]
When [[spoiler: Alice revealed her self to be a Decepticon pretender]], we didn't get any other information on who she really is, here are my guesses:
* Shes Frenzy's sister, who is seeking revenge on Sam because she thinks he killed her brother, [[spoiler: instead of him killing himself.]]
* She is a Decepticon prostitute on Cybertron, hence the flirty girl attitude.
The official movie adaptation comic says that [[spoiler:Alice]] was created from a Decepticon scanning an [[spoiler:''AliceInWonderland'' animatronic figure.]]
* She's really meant to be [[spoiler: a ShoutOut to {{Terminator}}, in response to ''Salvation'' having Transformer-like robots (the motorcycles, giant robots).]]

[[WMG:Soundwave Is Decepticon Mission Control]]
Soundwave's alt mode in Revenge of the Fallen is a satellite, which isn't particularly threatening. Yet, what other form would be better for coordinating a worldwide Decepticon invasion? It's also in character for Soundwave, he who let his cassettes do the fighting, if he shows up with dozens of Decepticon protoforms and starts slinging them at the proper targets - A city, the desert, a ''carrier group'' - while he stays in orbit and runs the show.
* This would be pretty close to G1 canon too. If Starscream was Megatron's right hand, Soundwave was his left, and Soundwave's job was always reconaissance and being frakkin scary enough that the other Decepticons wouldn't risk crossing him (seriously, dude was scary. Scary ''awesome''.). It'll be really cool if they give us a taste of a bitter power struggle between Starscream and Soundwave.
-->Starscream: I am the leader of the Decepticons now!
-->Soundwave: '''NEGATIVE.'''

* A further note - according to an anonymous tipster on tformers.com, Soundwave is acting as Teletraan-1 to the Decepticons - he's been in orbit for quite some time before the sequel begins, and has been scanning altmodes for the incoming invasion force, so the 'Cons arrive on Earth combat ready.

* We shouldn't leave out possible KillSat capabilities.
** Dude, didn't you see the trailer?! It's pretty much confirmed Soundwave is a KillSat; slinging and detroying US marines from orbit...
*** Oh man, that's an understatement. Soundwave is absolutely terrifying, given what role he actually plays.
*** Where's InspectorGadget wend you need him?

* This one is confirmed.

* Also, if his toy is any indication, he is also a threat on his own; he a triple changer, and his third form is a jet. Soundwave can fight.

[[WMG:The Fallen Will Be On Fire]]
Because ya gotta do it.
* Or at least have energy pulsating through him like it was fire. He is supposed to be one of those "supernatural" Transformers with abilities that isn't quite explained through technology.

[[WMG: The 2007 Movie's Sequel will tie into the Animated Movie's storyline.]]
Think for a second. There has to be a sequel to this, and you can't have Transformers movies without both Megatron and Unicron. The solution? Try taking the first movie, add in a few Unicron references, then paste everything in the G1 movie starting at the point where Unicron finds near-death Megatron. Voila, instant plothole filling.
* Jossed.

[[WMG: The climax of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' will be a three, maybe four-way battle]]
We'd have the Autobots vs. the Fallen vs. [[spoiler: Megatron]] and the Decepticons loyal to him vs. [[spoiler: Starscream]] and the 'Cons loyal to him. Keep in mind this is only if [[spoiler: [[TheStarscream traditional roles]]]] are kept.
* Jossed: [[spoiler:Autobots & humans vs. the Fallen & his Decepticons (including Megs & Scream). No Decepticon infighting yet.]]

[[WMG: Springer will show up in BigDamnHeroes moment]]
Springer has both a Legends class, and more damningly, a Robot Heroes toy. So if a green Osprey shows up, get ready.
* Botcon Jossed, apparently - Springer ''was'' going to be in the movie, and was designed (hence the toys), but was dropped for reasons of whatever.

[[WMG: Dispensor will appear in the climax of Revenge of the Fallen in a BigDamnHeroes moment]]
He's too popular and awesome not to! It doesn't matter that he was killed off in a prequel comic either; according to the Axiom Nexus classification system, comics are in a separate (though related) continuity stream from live action movies.
* [[spoiler:Sadly, Jossed]].

[[WMG:The Decepticons from "The Veiled Threat" and the Decepticons from "Alliance" are the same guys with different names]]
Think about it. Comics!Incinerator and Novel!Ruination turn into the same thing, and Ruination survives the novel to die in the comics. [=Comics!Gunbarrel/Novel!Payload=] and [=Comics!Reverb/Novel!Blademaster=] have the same altmodes thing going on as [=Incinerator/Ruination=], as well as [[NeverFoundTheBody ambiguous fates]] to match up with the fact that Reverb and Gunbarrel aren't shown dying.

Still working on Swindle and Deadend (they died in the comics before the novel starts). Maybe Swindle is Fracture and Deadend is one of the other Dead Ends from the ROTF toyline?

[[WMG: The whole "13 original transformers" thing from the comics still applies; they are still multiversal nexuses]]
* Until now, only six of the thirteen have been identified. Prima the First, who died vuons ago; Vector Prime, who guards and repairs [[strike: continuity]] reality from outside the time streams; [[CombiningMecha Nexus Maximus]], who [[IncrediblyLamePun came to pieces]] some time ago, Logos Prime, aka Soundblaster from the Unicron trilogy, whom I don't know much about; Fallen, 'nuff said; and Maccadam the Bartender, who is not confirmed to be one of the Originals but come on, dead Optimuses hang out in a multiversal singularity in one of his private rooms.
* Until now, the other seven Original Primes have not been revealed.
* Aparently, the reason we haven't seen any of them is that back In The Beginning, when the Primes scattered throughout the multiverse, eight of them stayed in the Tyrann time stream cluster- aka the movie continuity family. Likely, the seven besides Fallen stayed behind to keep an eye on him, and he turned before they were ready.
* The drain a sun thing seemed suspicious...

[[WMG: The whole "drain a sun" thing was an elaborate setup by the other seven Primes to test Fallen]]
Goes along with the above theory. They suspected that he'd defected to Unicron, but didn't know for sure, so they set up a test with a very Unicronian modus operandi- mass destruction for energy- to see if he would destroy even something with life, in which case he'd be confirmed as defecting (its also possible that they were simply gauging how much he enjoyed destroying stuff). He caught them off guard, as they didn't expect him to stab them in the back.
* Alternatively, they ''did'' expect it, and faked their death, jumping to a nearby continuity stream and leaving a message for Sam on the local Matrix, then picking up new bodies from whatever makes new transformers where they jumped.
** Since none of them are named, it is possible that, if they survived, they went on to be known by other names (such as The Last Autobot and Liege Maximo, who got too many ideas watching Fallen).

[[WMG: The Fallen survived]]
Unicron saved his spark. He put it into a new, even more [[IncendiaryExponent fiery]] body, and sent it into the Primax time stream cluster/ continuity cluster- aka, G1 stuff, where he was eventually trapped in a sub-dimension by a black hole.
* Confirmed ''and'' jossed by WordOfGod. He survived due to taking advantage of differences in time flow between dimensions- if he periodically spends time in reverse-time universes, he can somehow survive fatal events on a regular basis.

[[WMG: Daniel will either appear or be hinted at in the third movie]]
* You know Sam and Mikaela were getting it on in the end, and you also know that there is no chance Sam had a condom on him. Nine months and a shotgun wedding later, young Daniel is born!
* Alternatively, Sam and Mikaela will marry in the third movie, and Daniel's conception will be hinted at then.

[[WMG: The Mountain Dew machine that appears in Revenge Of The Fallen is Dispensor]]
When he was badly injured by Rachet in the comics (something he no doubt survived), he retreated to bide his time and fight smarter, not harder. He was hanging around promising places in his alternate mode, trying to gather intel and figure out which side he should go with and what to do to avoid being almost killed again.

[[WMG: The next movie will end just like the original 1985 movie did]]
Unicron attacks, incumbent Prime unleashes the Matrix on him, causing Stan Busch to play and Big U to go boom.
* Where there's Fallen there's Unicron, the guy who made him Fall.
* The Matrix is now in Optimus' hands, and fully charged with the knowledge from the Allspark
** And the original Matrix of Leadership in G1 was stated not to be a mighty artifact due to power, but ''due to accumulated knowledge''.
** This particular Matrix is already established to be related to large-scale weaponry
* A corrolary is that the events of both movies so far were a massive XanatosGambit on the part of Primus and/or the twelve faithful Original Primes to create the fully loaded Matrix of Leadership, so that they have a weapon against Unicron.
** Or a more straightforward plot by Unicron to destroy the Matrix before it could be used... the failure of which will lead to more direct intervention by Unicron in the next movie.

[[WMG: Michael Bay accidentally displaced the name of Rampage and Bonecrusher]]
* Think about it:
** In G1, Bonecrusher is a Constructicon.
** G1 and {{Beast Wars}} Rampage HATES everything.
* Now you see why Bonecrusher hates everything; he didn't even properly named!

[[WMG: Frenzy was originally an Autobot.]]
His eyes are blue, whereas all the other Decepticons we see have red eyes. Revenge of the Fallen reveals that Transformers can choose to switch sides. It seems likely that Frenzy was born an Autobot but - being a homicidal little creep - defected to the Decepticons the first chance he got. Frenzy is arguably the most loyal of the Decepticons, which makes perfect sense if he consciously chose to become one.
* However, it could go deeper than that: The Revenge of the Fallen prequel comics had Megatron with ''white'' eyes, at least until [[spoiler: The Fallen (in artifact form) converted Megatron, the latter's optics becoming red]]. Since the other Decepticons have red optics, and it can be assumed that they 'received' theirs from coming under Megatron's influence, what about Frenzy prevented that color-change? Was he 'born' too late, after the war had gotten underway? Then why do newly-created Decepticons born from the Allspark have red optics?
** OR he's a neutral. It's just that he works for the decepticons more often.
*** OR he's actually one of Soundwave's "cassettes" (Like his G1 namesake) and has blue optics so he could go unnoticed among large groups of Autobots and act as a spy. Obviously this function isn't as useful with the galaxy-wide population of Transformers reduced to the point where they all seem to recognize each other on sight.

[[WMG: Jetfire will be back in the 3rd film.]]
The Autobots & humans now possess the Matrix, which, [[spoiler:as demonstrated on Optimus, can bring deceased Transformers back to life]]. Furthermore, [[spoiler:when Jetfire ripped his Spark out of his own chest, it looks like it remained intact. The Autobots could concievably(sp?) grab his Spark, keep it on "life-support", and pull out another SR-71 out of human storage, or just find him a new altmode, and then use the Matrix's power - and Ratchet's skills - to change the vehicle into a new body for him and then implant his Spark in it]]. Plus, Jetfire was so [[BadassGrandpa awesome]] that there's no way he won't gain a respectable fan following, which would be incentive to bring him back for Film 3. (Then again, this might all just be wishful thinking on this Jetfire fan's part)
* One of the more unsettling theories this editor's heard suggest that Jetfire will be [[spoiler: rebuilt into Prime's trailer, as a God-Ginrai/Armada Prime homage of unimaginable creepitude.]]
* Despite being a humongous Jetfire fan [[{{Crowley}} herself]], she has to admit that resurrection would be hard considering that unlike [[spoiler:Optimus or Megatron]], Jetfire doesn't even leave a corpse. That, and the spark might have been dying anyway thanks to Scorponok...
** in the Super Bowl trailer for the third movie [[spoiler:Optimus appears to have the Jetfire wings at one point so this may be possible in some way]]

[[WMG: The Primes were created by the 40K Necrons.]]
Seeing the Fallen it makes sense: Egyptian feel, skeletal appearance, drains stars for energy, sounds like they were originally created by the Necrons. In this case though, they may have rebelled-with the Fallen being the only one still loyal to his creators.
* So, does this make Primus a rogue C'Tan?
* The Fallen DOES seem to prefer teleportation to walking or flying anywhere in his last battle.

[[WMG: {{Transformers}}: Revenge of the Fallen is a XanatosGambit by Michael Bay to destroy the Transformers franchise]]
Most Transformers fans (and even some non-fans) hated this movie. Way too much unneeded dirty humor and profanity. Racism. Just too much, Michael; copious amounts of fighting and explosions do not automatically equal a good movie. Michael Bay set this plan up to make Transformers look stupid and unappealing, turning people away. Transformers 3 will be the final leg of his plan.
* The comment about "Most" Transformers fans hating the movie is EXTREMELY subjective. Many I know liked it (as a cheesey action summer blockbuster type, not serious cinema), and the ones I know of who did NOT happen to be a lot more vocal than most. And if it's turning people away, why did it make more money than the original?
* [[TakeThat The constant bashing of the Transformers film series is a Xanatos Gambit by]] [[NostalgiaFilter GEEWUNNERS]] [[TakeThat to reduce mainstream entertainment to dull, repetitive, plotless toy commercial cartoons.]]

[[WMG: The Twins are just using {{Obfuscating Stupidity}}.]]
Could two uneducated hicks really take on Devastator and survive the experience? They just act stupid to throw everybody off.

[[WMG: AlanDeanFoster (the author of the novels) screwed up his scale chart for the Decepticons]]
In Ghosts of Yesterday, Bonecrusher is described in the prose as fucking enormous (my words). Barricade is implied to be huge as well, as he fights both Ratchet and Bumblebee at once. Blackout, on the other hand, is not indicated to be particularly large. Roughly, compared to the scales in the movie proper, movie!Blackout should be about the same size as novel!Bonecrusher, movie!Bonecrusher should be about the same size as novel!Barricade, and movie!Barricade should be about the same size as novel!Blackout. Somehow, this has not been rectified in Veiled Threat, where Barricade is indicated to be the size of Optimus Prime. Is this one of those cases where a guy makes a mistake, refuses to admit it, and makes himself look silly in the process of acting like he's always been right?

[[WMG: Prime DOESN'T have a creepy face fetish.]]
The original Primes all seem to have Egyptian-style faces like the Fallen. After betraying his brothers, the Fallen was no longer worthy to wear this symbol of the Primes, hence "Give me your face!" His other face attacks are actually humane - they send the victim into stasis lock without permanently destroying its spark.

[[WMG: The Twins died at the hands of Devastator.]]
Owing to the massive controversy surrounding these two characters, it's highly unlikely that they'll be back for the third film. So the writers will probably just say that Devastator got them off screen.

[[WMG: The Twins will have different voices in the third film.]]
Somebody will point out early on how offensive they are, & it'll become a running gag that everytime we see them they're trying out new voices, with different riddiculous accents. Good way to throw in {{Shout Out}}s to all the other silly accents that have been used over the years ([[TransformersCybertron Mudflap]], [[TransformersAnimated Blitzwing]], etc.), complete with the original voice actors in cameo roles.
* This troper's personal vision involves the Twins ''finally'' honking off Ironhide to the the point he tells them to knock it off... with his guns.

[[WMG: The Twins are victims of the war, having spent their entire childhood during it.]]
...which is why they're so socially inept and utterly ''stupid''. They're clearly ''very'' young- the Cybertronian equivalent of thirteen at best. Likely, they were sparked just before the Allspark was jettisonned. As a result, they grew up as ChildSoldiers, with no formal education or genuine childhood experiences, resulting in the emotionally stunted illiterate buffoons we see in the movie.
** This is, as far as this Troper can ascertain, the AllThereInTheMAnual canonical reason for their behavior.

[[WMG: The "drain the sun" thing was a plan to recreate the Allspark]]

[[WMG: The Shanghai clash had NEST resources being misdirected]]
The original plan was to intercept Sideways using Arcee and the Twins, while Ironhide, Sideswipe and NEST's human forces dealt with Demolishor and Optimus was left in reserve. However, since Skids and Mudflap screwed up, Sideswipe had to be diverted to assist Arcee, leaving Ironhide and the humans understaffed against a robot who probably qualifies for PersonOfMassDestruction status by sheer dint of size alone. Once they failed to contain him, the reserve gets brought in.

Sideways might even have been supposed to be captured alive. (But hey, [[HeroicSociopath Sideswipe]].)

[[WMG: Optimus Prime is a [[DwarfFortress dorf]].]]
From YouFailGeographyForever:
->I know Optimus Prime's pretty awesome, but punching an opponent so hard he flies five hundred miles or so?
Now [[http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Morul who else do we know of]] who can [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/OrcStrikeAnnot.png do that]] [[PunchedAcrossTheRoom sort of thing?]]

[[WMG: Revenge of the Fallen has set things in place for the coming of Unicron.]]
In four points:
* Point one - Sam Witwicky is studying astronomy. What better way for the hero to find out about the coming world eater? Imagine if he were to discover a new star and name it for, (say, his mom, only to find out what it is. "OH GOD! JUDY IS GOING TO EAT US ALL!"
* Point two - the Decepticons have a base further out in the solar system. This gives Unicron something to eat and will serve to show just what a serious threat he is.
* Point three - the Fallen, as a character, is often associated with Unicron. They don't seem to have done much with that, but they could surely retcon something in.
* Point four - we have the Matrix of Leadership now. All the better to kill him with!

[[WMG: Sam Witwicky IS Unicron]]
* Humanity has made contact with an alien race that is sharing all non-weapon discovers with them. Sam studying astronomy. Since he is unlikely to discover anything new he must be looking for something (his body probably).
* Jetfire said that Sam must have a noble heritage. If Sam was an autobot Jetfire would have told him so, or at least given him more hints.
* Revenge of the Fallen had a subplot where he couldn't tell his smoking hot girlfriend that he loved her. Meagan Fox won't be returning for transformers 3. Making that plot line either completely pointless, or a demonstration of Unicron failing to keep up his masquerade.
* The deceptions haven't killed him dispute him being very easy to kill.

[[WMG: Transform3rs will take at least partially on Cybertron and an consist of an EnemyMine.]]
Recent interviews state that [[spoiler: Shockwave]] will be the villian of the third movie. Traditionally, [[spoiler:Shockwave]] stayed behind on Cybertron while the other Decepticons ventured forth for whatever they needed to do in that particular continuity. The third movie will involve Optimus and Megatron and thier respective bands teaming up to battle [[spoiler: Shockwave]], who has gone round the bend due to prolonged isolation and has... oh, moved Cybertron close to Earth, is Cyberforming Earth, something big and explosiony.

[[WMG: After Transformers 3 milks Unicron for all he's worth, Michael Bay will move on to milking the BeastWars.]]

There's no way he's going to abandon the cash cow franchise after the third movie is finished, and the beast era would be the next place to take the film franchise. Since the beast era lacks PunyEarthlings that get in the way of the bot-carnage, Michael Bay can take his explosion lust to new levels. Maximals and Predacons? Boom! Alien Stonehenge? Kaboom! Mountains of raw energon? Kaboom boom!! [[ChewToy Waspinator]]? Kaboom every three minutes. [[ThatsNoMoon Vok Superweapon]]? EarthShatteringKaboom!!! [[TheMessiah Optimus Primal]]? [[ForegoneConclusion Kaboom]]-[[DeathIsCheap Revive]]-[[JustForFun Kaboom again]]. Of course, this will [[RuinedForever ruin Beast Wars forever]], but what '''Hasn't''' been RuinedForever by this point?
** You don't seem to get MichaelBay...did you see the bit on the main page about how he ''didn't'' want to do a movie series to sell toys, and that he was talked into DoingItForTheArt? Hardly the sorta guy who's going to "milk it for all it's worth."
*** Blame ExecutiveMeddling on someone other than Michael Bay then.

[[WMG: Sam will gain the nickname Spike in the third movie]]
[[ShadowOfTheColossus By climbing up a giant Decepticon and stabbing it in multiple weakspots with a spike until it dies]]

[[WMG: Earth's moon is actually Unicron in disguise]]
We know that the title of the third movie is "The Dark of the Moon", and it wouldn't be the first time he's taken a nap while disguised as the natural satellite of his next target. Presumably, the title refers to something on the Dark Side of the Moon that can wake him up again or reveals who it is- maybe his gaping maw?
* That may explain why we only ever see one side of the moon from Earth: Unicron doesn't want to be found...yet.
* I foresee [[MythologyGag mythology gags]] to the [[BeastWars Planet Buster]], which was also disguised as a moon of Earth.

[[WMG: If the rumors that Skids & Mudflap now have more black in their colors is true]]
They will, at some point, start singing "Back in Black" by AC/DC.

[[WMG: Grimlock will be a major character in the third movie]]
Consider Alice from ROTF, also known as the Deceptislut. According to the tie-in comic, that form was scanned from an animatronic [[AliceInWonder Alice]] from a new (fictional) Disneyland attraction. So there is a precedent that Movieverse Transformers can take on Altmodes that at least LOOK Organic. Remember that Steven Speilberg is involved in this movie.

After crashing on Earth, Grimlock will scan the animatronic T-Rex used in Jurassic Park.

And it will be [[MemeticMutation AWESOME.]]

[[WMG: In the third movie, Optimus Prime will make a FaceHeelTurn]]
After [[spoiler:Fallen's demise and Megatron's BadassDecay]], he is the most powerful transformer, save for Unicron, which is quite tempting. Also, wearing Decepticon spare parts on his shoulders must have left some kind of imprint.

Let's think; he's alien, he's manipulative, he's supernatural, he's extremely powerful and ancient, he works from the shadows, and he's a multiversal singularity. Not to mention his ties to Egypt and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking his]] [[SeparatedAtBirth more-than-passing resemblance]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking to the Crawling Chaos's "Black Man" avatar.....]]

[[WMG:Starscream was one of the F-22s strafing Megatron in the first movie.]]
Why ''else'' would a single attack from them bring Megatron to his knees? Also, count the responding F-22s: unless this troper is mistaken three of them are seen flying towards the city, but ''four'' of them strafe Megatron.

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[[WMG: HerbieTheLoveBug was a Decepticon]]

[[WMG: Herbie TheLoveBug was a Decepticon]]

[[WMG: HerbyTheLoveBug was a Decepticon]]

* [[{{TakeThat}} The constant bashing of the Transformers film series is a Xanatos Gambit by GEEWUNNERS to reduce mainstream entertainment to dull, repetitive, plotless toy commercial cartoons.]]

* This does have a slight bit of credence to it. Michael Bay has said that ''Megatron'' will not feature in the film, yet designs for [[spoiler:tank-form]] Megs have been around the internet for months, and he was featured on a recent Hasbro display. Bay is either a terrible liar, or he's playing ExactWords with us.
** Not ''liar'', ''misinformant''. But regardless, Megatron will undoubtedly [[spoiler: return in [=RotF=]]]; the pictures of [[spoiler: his new tank form]] are everywhere--even on a silhouette of an upcoming keychain[[spoiler:, which has it marked as "New Character"]], possibly indicating that he will indeed [[spoiler: become Galvatron, though it would be a bit jarring since he still looks so similar in robot mode to how he looked in the first movie]]. Even the teasers show Sam [[spoiler: being pinned down by the hand of a robot whose foot is visible in the background; consensus is that both belong to Megatron, not Starscream as the editing in the Super Bowl spot implies]].
** I thought I said that. * shrug*