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[[WMG: Rose played TheBeard to her husband.]]
It was a marriage of convenience, and there was never any love between them. Hence why she embraces Jack at the end.

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[[WMG: Rose played TheBeard to didn't actually love her husband.]]
It was a marriage {{marriage of convenience, convenience}}, and there was never any love between them. Hence why she embraces Jack at the end.
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[[WMG: Jack never existed]]

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[[WMG: Jack [[DelusionConclusion never existed]]existed]]]]
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Rose wasn't happy about the arranged marriage. So when she had time she wandered the ship. "Jack" is a mental fiction, a way for her to escape being married to a horrid man. She met several men and may or may not have had the adventures she had during the film - her narration is how she ''chooses'' to remember that night. She was trying to escape Cal any way possible. When the ship sank, either she was alone on the doorframe or someone else who couldn't climb up or fit on the door perished and she again chose to remember the sacrifice of "Jack". When she passed she had a DyingDream about "Jack".

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Rose wasn't happy about the arranged marriage. So when she had time she wandered the ship. "Jack" is a mental fiction, a way for her to escape being married to a horrid man. She met several men and may or may not have had the adventures she had during the film - her narration is how she ''chooses'' to remember that night. She was trying to escape Cal any way possible. When the ship sank, either she was alone on the doorframe door or someone else who couldn't climb up or fit on the door perished and she again chose to remember the sacrifice of "Jack". When she passed she had a DyingDream about "Jack".
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[[WMG: Jack never existed]]
Rose wasn't happy about the arranged marriage. So when she had time she wandered the ship. "Jack" is a mental fiction, a way for her to escape being married to a horrid man. She met several men and may or may not have had the adventures she had during the film - her narration is how she ''chooses'' to remember that night. She was trying to escape Cal any way possible. When the ship sank, either she was alone on the doorframe or someone else who couldn't climb up or fit on the door perished and she again chose to remember the sacrifice of "Jack". When she passed she had a DyingDream about "Jack".

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** And [[WesternAnimation/InsideJob2021 Inside Job]] just decided that Jack's actor is an immortal vampire.

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[[WMG: Rose is [[UsualSuspects Keiser Soze]]]]

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[[WMG:Fabrizio's mom did find out what happened to him.]]
On White Star ships, Third Class menus included free postcards on the back. The idea was that they would write to their friends and family back home and praise White Star, so that the line would get new business when they decided to come to America. Fabrizio takes one of these postcards during dinner on the first night and writes a note to his mom says that he's sailing to America on the Titanic, that she'll live with him in the big house he'll buy once he's a millionaire, and all that. He drops it off with a steward, and it ends up being one of the last pieces of mail to leave the ship in Ireland. His mom ends up receiving the card a few days after the sinking, and makes inquiries into the survivor list. As she doesn't see his name on any list, she realizes that he didn't make it.
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** Better than killing well over a billion humans, uncounted numbers of animals, plants, and other living things, and destroying everything in existence. And Jack is [[NamesTheSame Jack]] [[Series/DoctorWho Harkness]] with MagicPlasticSurgery. Someone stopped the original cause of the Titanic crashing, so Jack had to distract the lookouts somehow. He doesn't drown ([[DeathIsCheap permanently]]) and Rose is now unkillable ([[{{Nerf}} but]] [[AgeWithoutYouth aging]]).

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** Better than killing well over a billion humans, uncounted numbers of animals, plants, and other living things, and destroying everything in existence. And Jack is [[NamesTheSame Jack]] [[Series/DoctorWho Jack Harkness]] with MagicPlasticSurgery. Someone stopped the original cause of the Titanic crashing, so Jack had to distract the lookouts somehow. He doesn't drown ([[DeathIsCheap permanently]]) and Rose is now unkillable ([[{{Nerf}} but]] [[AgeWithoutYouth aging]]).
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** And [[WesternAnimation/InsideJob]] Inside Job just decided that Jack's actor is an immortal vampire.

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** And [[WesternAnimation/InsideJob]] [[WesternAnimation/InsideJob2021 Inside Job Job]] just decided that Jack's actor is an immortal vampire.
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** And [[WesternAnimation/InsideJob]] just decided that Jack's actor is an immortal vampire.

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** And [[WesternAnimation/InsideJob]] Inside Job just decided that Jack's actor is an immortal vampire.
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* A nice thought, and probably even likely, but even if so, it wouldn't have lasted long since he killed himself in 1929. And since this was presumably due to his losing everything in the stock market crash, there wouldn't even have been any estate left behind to keep supporting her after his suicide. Unless the rest of his family kept doing so in his stead (and didn't lose everything).
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*** That could of course be Cal's punishment(he certainly doesn't look happy). Plus the "crew members" likely wouldn't have to do anything they found drudging in Titanic-heaven, only good stuff. More likely they'd all move on to where they wanted to go, or BE the upper class, or partiers, or whathaveyou....

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*** That could of course be Cal's punishment(he punishment (he certainly doesn't look happy). Plus the "crew members" likely wouldn't have to do anything they found drudging in Titanic-heaven, only good stuff. More likely they'd all move on to where they wanted to go, or BE the upper class, or partiers, or whathaveyou....
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* After Jack pulls Rose back over the rail and bystanders get the wrong idea, we cut to a point after Cal has been paged, arrived on the scene, gotten briefed on the situation and is already well into the process of biting Jack's head off, who is being handcuffed by the master at arms who has also been summoned and made his way to the stern; Rose chooses this moment to come forward in his defense. Which means that there was a space of what must have at least twenty minutes or so during which she sat ten feet away wrapped in a cozy blanket with people fawning over her and offering her beverages, letting Jack go down for attempted rape rather than be embarrassed by her first-world-problems suicide attempt. She eventually does the right thing, and better late than never, but she certainly took her sweet time deciding whether or not to intervene.

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[[WMG: Rose is [[UsualSuspects Keiser Soze]]]]
She had stolen the diamond from someone, knew its name but nothing else, and wanted to find out more about it. So she made up a story from random things found on the Keldysh, and at the end dropped the diamond back in the ocean for a shell company doing salvage to find at some point.

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[[WMG: Cal supported Ruth into her old age]]
Cal, in his final scenes, felt tremendous loss over Rose, on top of guilt for having shot at her. So out of remorse and atonement, he decided to help his would-be mother-in-law.

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As first class survivors aboard Carpathia, they would be reunited immediately and, still being "family", it would only be natural, in 1912, that the "man of the house" Caledon Hockley took care of everything related to the sinking, from claiming damages to looking for his missing fiancée. A 19th century woman like Ruth would understand that. She could not know, however, that Cal's reason to do this was two-fold: he needed to find Rose himself before her mother found her, to make sure that Rose didn't tell her the things that he had done to her during the sinking such as, ''trying to kill her with a gun.''

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As first class first-class survivors aboard Carpathia, they would be reunited immediately and, still being "family", it would only be natural, in 1912, that the "man of the house" Caledon Hockley took care of everything related to the sinking, from claiming damages to looking for his missing fiancée. A 19th century An Edwardian woman like Ruth would understand that. She could not know, however, that Cal's reason to do this was two-fold: he needed to find Rose himself before her mother found her, to make sure that Rose didn't tell her the things that he had done to her during the sinking such as, as ''trying to kill her with a gun.''



Alot of people seem to think that Lovejoy (Cal's Bodyguard) died when the Titanic split in two. However, after the Ship breaks in Two, you can still see him holding on. There's the assumption that he survived because (if Rose is reliable)the man was a cop and has likely been through deadly situations before, so he may have survived the water and been rescued by the Carpathia.

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Alot A lot of people seem to think that Lovejoy (Cal's Bodyguard) died when the Titanic split in two. However, after the Ship breaks in Two, you can still see him holding on. There's the assumption that he survived because (if Rose is reliable)the man was a cop and has likely been through deadly situations before, so he may have survived the water and been rescued by the Carpathia.



Lovejoy managed to survive the sinking and stayed out of Cal or Ruth's radar while on the Carpathia. But he didn't forget about Cal leaving him for dead on Titanic after he failed to reclaim the Heart of the Ocean as well as his attempted murders of Jack and Rose. He swore revenge on Cal and as a former police officer, he knew a lot about criminal minds and how to perfectly get away with murder and pass it off as a suicide. In the fall of 1929, he managed to sneak into the Hockley estate and subdue Cal, he then shot him in the mouth with the same 1911 pistol Cal attempted to kill Jack and Rose with. He then forced Cal's hands into grabbing the gun so his finger prints would appear on it (Lovejoy wore gloves to hide his). He didn't foresee the 1929 Market Crash but lucky for him, it happened a couple of days after the murder and Cal's body wasn't discovered until after the crash when his family returned from holiday. Everyone assumed the obvious and Spicer Lovejoy got away with the murder scot-free. Rose herself wasn't even sure when she ads "or so I've read."

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Lovejoy managed to survive the sinking and stayed out of Cal or Ruth's radar while on the Carpathia. But he didn't forget about Cal leaving him for dead on Titanic after he failed to reclaim the Heart of the Ocean as well as his attempted murders of Jack and Rose. He swore revenge on Cal and as a former police officer, he knew a lot about criminal minds and how to perfectly get away with murder and pass it off as a suicide. In the fall of 1929, he managed to sneak into the Hockley estate and subdue Cal, he then shot him in the mouth with the same 1911 pistol Cal attempted to kill Jack and Rose with. He then forced Cal's hands into grabbing the gun so his finger prints fingerprints would appear on it (Lovejoy wore gloves to hide his). He didn't foresee the 1929 Market Crash but lucky for him, it happened a couple of days after the murder and Cal's body wasn't discovered until after the crash when his family returned from holiday. Everyone assumed the obvious and Spicer Lovejoy got away with the murder scot-free. Rose herself wasn't even sure when she ads adds "or so I've read."



Jack looks way too young for the character's implied age, is the only man on the boat who manages to keep completely clean-shaven, and even in the sex scene the framing is arranged to prevent a view of his chest. Leo is also made up to look even more androgynous than he normally did in the 90s. On Rose's side she has an established interest in women (at least enough to have topless paintings as decoration), obviously had no emotional attachment to her eventual husband or children (not one picture in her scrapbook), plus her request for Jack to show her how to do things like ride a horse "like a man" could be taken as acknowledgment that it was something Jack had to relearn. See [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-much-better-movie-hiding-in-titanic/ This Cracked Article]] for more apparent evidence.

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Jack looks way too young for the character's implied age, is the only man on the boat who manages to keep completely clean-shaven, and even in the sex scene scene, the framing is arranged to prevent a view of his chest. Leo is also made up to look even more androgynous than he normally did in the 90s. On Rose's side she has an established interest in women (at least enough to have topless paintings as decoration), obviously had no emotional attachment to her eventual husband or children (not one picture in her scrapbook), plus her request for Jack to show her how to do things like ride a horse "like a man" could be taken as acknowledgment that it was something Jack had to relearn. See [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-much-better-movie-hiding-in-titanic/ This Cracked Article]] for more apparent evidence.
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[[WMG: Jack was a virgin before Rose]]
Jack is obviously a romantic free spirit who goes wherever the wind takes him. It’s possible that, being such a romantic, he wanted to wait until he met someone he truly loved but never stuck around long enough to form such an attachment. Or, on a more practical note, he may have been trying to avoid STIs or being tied down by an unwanted pregnancy, and simply didn’t have sufficient access to/knowledge of prophylactics to have sex safely. Either way, for someone with so much experience sketching naked women, he does seem quite flustered while sketching Rose. And he was adamant that he never had an affair with his friend, the “one-legged prostitute.” Also, compare the looks on their faces after they have sex. He seems to be in awe of what they’ve just done, and Rose…uhh…doesn’t. Not to virgin-shame anybody, but...well, no one is good at something the first time they do it.

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** Rose's <i>great</i>-granddaughter meets a boy during a vacation in Louisiana...

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** Rose's <i>great</i>-granddaughter GREAT-granddaughter meets a boy during a vacation in Louisiana...
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Let's say that Rose was perfectly happy being rich and whatnot. As a little joke, she pretended to have feelings for a third-class passenger. She never loved Jack, but he was head-over-heels in love with her. When she realized that he legitimately planned to marry her, she had two choices: tell him the truth or kill him. She picked the latter. Luckily (Luckily?), the ship hit an iceberg, so she didn't have to go through with her original plan of poisoning him. She got two of Cal's buddies to frame him for a crime he didn't commit, to keep him below-decks. But, just so Jack wouldn't suspect a thing, she went back to "save" him. Throughout that scene, she was never in any real danger. In a deleted scene, two passengers offer her and Jack blankets and whiskey. Rose got a dose of chloral hydrate (a sedative), and dropped it in his drink. Not enough to kill him, not enough to even send him fully off to sleep, just enough to depress his energy. The shock of the cold water delayed the reaction for a bit, but luckily, it kicked in just in time. That's the reason why he didn't get on the door after the first time trying: he was just too tired. Therefore, he died. And nobody did an autopsy on the body and confirmed that he had been drugged. Even if they did, Rose would probably pay the doctors to keep their mouths shut. Besides, you can't perform an autopsy on someone who's at the bottom of the sea. Rose lives, gets off in New York without ever being suspected of the crime, and weaves a story where she's the hero. And that, my friends, is what I call the perfect crime.

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Let's say that Rose was perfectly happy being rich and whatnot. As a little joke, she pretended to have feelings for a third-class passenger. She never loved Jack, but he was head-over-heels in love with her. When she realized that he legitimately planned to marry her, she had two choices: tell him the truth or kill him. She picked the latter. Luckily (Luckily?), the ship hit an iceberg, so she didn't have to go through with her original plan of poisoning him. She got two of Cal's buddies to frame him for a crime he didn't commit, to keep him below-decks. But, just so Jack wouldn't suspect a thing, she went back to "save" him. Throughout that scene, she was never in any real danger. In a deleted scene, two passengers offer her and Jack blankets and whiskey. Rose got a dose of chloral hydrate (a sedative), and dropped it in his drink. Not enough to kill him, not enough to even send him fully off to sleep, just enough to depress his energy. The shock of the cold water delayed the reaction for a bit, but luckily, it kicked in just in time. That's the reason why he didn't get on the door after the first time trying: he was just too tired. Therefore, he died. And nobody did an autopsy on the body and confirmed that he had been drugged. Even if they did, Rose would probably pay the doctors to keep their mouths shut. Besides, you can't perform an autopsy on someone who's at the bottom of the sea. Rose lives, gets off in New York without ever being suspected of the crime, and weaves a story where she's the hero. And that, my dear friends, is what I call is called the perfect crime.



* As much as I hate to admit it, this makes a lot of sense.

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* As much as I hate to admit it, this makes a lot of sense.



Or because he slowed down his biological processes [[Film/TheManFromEarth using trick he had learned while studying with Tibetan Monks.]] Counting this in addiction with the guesses above that he was a time-traveler, when he slipped into the water, he traveled to another time because he set his time-machine to send him back when he completely submerged and unconscious.

OR, he survived and kept and the Heart of the Ocean to make enough money to build his own fortune for ten years, and finding another woman who also has a flower for a name, to become [[spoiler:[[Film/TheGreatGatsby2013 Jay Gatsby]], who has a notable fear of swimming pools]].

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* Or because he slowed down his biological processes [[Film/TheManFromEarth using trick he had learned while studying with Tibetan Monks.]] Counting this in addiction with the guesses above that he was a time-traveler, when he slipped into the water, he traveled to another time because he set his time-machine to send him back when he completely submerged and unconscious.

* OR, he survived and kept and the Heart of the Ocean to make enough money to build his own fortune for ten years, and finding another woman who also has a flower for a name, to become [[spoiler:[[Film/TheGreatGatsby2013 Jay Gatsby]], who has a notable fear of swimming pools]].



This troper is basing her theory off of the fact that Rose and Jack directly cause the sinking of the Titanic by distracting the iceberg lookouts. There is a moment in the movie where Rose is at afternoon tea and she looks at a little girl folding a napkin daintily, and right afterwards she seeks out Jack, and they have their famous kiss on the bow of the ship. What the movie DOESN'T show is that when Rose looks at the little girl folding the napkin, she is actually resigned to a life with Cal. She never speaks to Jack again, loses track of him, the ship doesn't sink, and lives her life as a very wealthy but unhappy woman. Because many important and wealthy investors in steam technology survived the maiden voyage of the Titanic, steam technology booms and eventually, many decades later, some kind of time rewinding technology is discovered. When she is much, much older, Rose realizes her mistake in letting Jack go (heh), and so she uses this technology to rewind time back to the pivotal moment where she watches the girl fold a napkin and chooses Cal (though she retains her memories of her future life so that she can choose correctly this time). This time, she finds Jack and tells him she's changed her mind. Unfortunately, her giddy and blissful romance with Jack doesn't last long, because after they make love, they distract the iceberg lookouts, thus causing the sinking of the Titanic. Jack doesn't survive, of course, but neither do the investors in steam technology, so the time-rewinding technology never develops, and she is forced to live another 80+ years without him, making the movie doubly tragic.

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This troper is basing her theory off of the The fact that Rose and Jack directly cause the sinking of the Titanic by distracting the iceberg lookouts. There is a moment in the movie where Rose is at afternoon tea and she looks at a little girl folding a napkin daintily, and right afterwards she seeks out Jack, and they have their famous kiss on the bow of the ship. What the movie DOESN'T show is that when Rose looks at the little girl folding the napkin, she is actually resigned to a life with Cal. She never speaks to Jack again, loses track of him, the ship doesn't sink, and lives her life as a very wealthy but unhappy woman. Because many important and wealthy investors in steam technology survived the maiden voyage of the Titanic, steam technology booms and eventually, many decades later, some kind of time rewinding technology is discovered. When she is much, much older, Rose realizes her mistake in letting Jack go (heh), and so she uses this technology to rewind time back to the pivotal moment where she watches the girl fold a napkin and chooses Cal (though she retains her memories of her future life so that she can choose correctly this time). This time, she finds Jack and tells him she's changed her mind. Unfortunately, her giddy and blissful romance with Jack doesn't last long, because after they make love, they distract the iceberg lookouts, thus causing the sinking of the Titanic. Jack doesn't survive, of course, but neither do the investors in steam technology, so the time-rewinding technology never develops, and she is forced to live another 80+ years without him, making the movie doubly tragic.



Alot of people seem to think that Lovejoy (Cal's Bodyguard) died when the Titanic split in two. However, after the Ship breaks in Two, you can still see him holding on. I always assume that he survived because(if rose is reliable)the man was a cop and has likely been through deadly situations before, so he may have survived the water and been rescued by the Carpathia.

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Alot of people seem to think that Lovejoy (Cal's Bodyguard) died when the Titanic split in two. However, after the Ship breaks in Two, you can still see him holding on. I always assume There's the assumption that he survived because(if rose because (if Rose is reliable)the man was a cop and has likely been through deadly situations before, so he may have survived the water and been rescued by the Carpathia.
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[[WMG: Jack wasn’t dead, only unconscious.]]
Pretty self explanatory. When Rose saw the lifeboat and turned back to Jack he couldn’t answer her because he was unconscious but not yet dead. This provides a bit of nightmare fuel since in this scenario if Rose had only known to check Jack’s pulse, she wouldn’t have let him drop into the ocean where he definitely died and they would both have survived. It was Rose’s ignorance that meant he didn’t. Thanks, Rose. So much for never letting go.

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