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Seeing how we have Magnet Man's song telling how he loved Roll and Flash Man's song has his major [[FoeYay FoeYay]] with Rock, it'd make sense if another Robot Master would have an attraction to Blues. Only question is who would be the one the Megas to choose to pair up with Blues...

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Seeing how we have Magnet Man's song telling how he loved Roll and Flash Man's song has his major [[FoeYay FoeYay]] tension with Rock, it'd make sense if another Robot Master would have an attraction to Blues. Only question is who would be the one the Megas to choose to pair up with Blues...
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Just to see two Megaman bands working together.

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[[WMG: History Repeating's songs have a different order when compiling both albums]]
The post-Robot Master songs are a mix of recurring music tracks in the game without an order, or that are being played well before what their order would suggest (History Repeating Blue has the Wily Castle Stages before 4 of the Robot Masters have been done). Besides the titular "History Repeating" songs and perhaps "Continue", I would posit that the other songs must come after "I'm Not the Breakman" properly elaborates on Proto Man's identity to Light and Rock.

Wily's apology in "Gamma Unchained" is prompted by seeing what has become of Proto Man, referencing that he hears The Red Song "again" after it first played as the intro to INtB on his reactivation and confronting Light; "Wanna Be the One (to Watch You Die)" is Light's response to that apology after Rock and Blues fight, much more emotionally charged and broken since the bitter reunion is still fresh (including Proto Man's direct call out of him as a "liar" for abandoning him); "Fly on a Dog" has Rock refer to Proto Man as his brother, something he couldn't really know before the latter discards the Breakman persona, rattled from the reveal and consigned to the idea he's a disposable killing machine like Proto Man sees himself as. This is also why "Make Your Choice" and "I Refuse to Believe" finally break Mega Man out of his spiral; besides his own pain, giving into those thoughts would consign his brother to the same, whether or not they destroy each other, and however much Rock suffers, he'd never turn away or abandon another who needs his help.
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As we know from History Repeating: Red, Proto Man was originally going to be the One, but was destroyed before he could really become a hero. There's nothing saying that he never had a chance, however. He was originally set to stop Wily's 6 Robot Masters during his first uprising. He went after Guts Man first, then Cut Man, as many players do. After defeating them, he went to Elec Man, who damaged Blues beyond repair. The "circuits afire" Proto Man refers to In I'm Not the Breakmam are his circuits overheating from excessive amounts of electricity, and this also mirrors how infamously hard Elec Man was in the original game. It was at this point that Dr. Light used parts from Proto Man to create Mega Man. All of Megatainment takes place after Mega Man's activation, hence why Guts Man and Cut Man are absent.

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As we know from History Repeating: Red, Proto Man was originally going to be the One, but was destroyed before he could really become a hero. There's nothing saying that he never had a chance, however. He was originally set to stop Wily's 6 Robot Masters during his first uprising. He went after Guts Man first, then Cut Man, as many players do. After defeating them, he went to Elec Man, who damaged Blues beyond repair. The "circuits afire" Proto Man refers to In I'm Not the Breakmam are his circuits overheating from excessive amounts of electricity, and this also mirrors how infamously hard Elec Man was in the original game. It was at this point that Dr. Light used parts from Proto Man to create Mega Man. All of Megatainment takes place after Mega Man's activation, hence why Guts Man and Cut Man are absent.absent.

[[WMG: They will later do a crossover with Music/TheProtomen]]
Just to see two Megaman bands working together.
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[[WMG: "History Repeating: Red" frames its Robot Master songs around the Easter Egg of being weak to their own weapons]]
Most if not all 4 of the robot masters in HR Red are framed with more personal conflicts and what could be seen as a sense of self-destructiveness: Hard Man is a champion fighter challenged to a match; Gemini Man has two personalities despairing at his chances of survival and even considers separating them in himself; Needle Man laments his design to the point of actively seeking an end to his own life; and Shadow Man deals with a fear of his own shadowy nature and purpose to kill, alluding to it having killed his old self or tearing himself apart. Magnet Man could be placed under a similar theme of "drawing [his] death to [him]," but where those are simply in the nature of his design, the Red group's nature are all directly responsible for how they die, rather than it being a factor with consequences that could not be averted. Hard Man agrees to a match despite his retirement and chooses to go out fighting rather than throw in the towel; The Gemineye persona leads Gemini Man into the trap and shoot out where he dies while looking for clues to avoid his fate; Needle Man's self-loathing leads him to welcome Mega Man's arrival to destroy him, presumably without resistance as the only way he can fight who he is; Shadow Man describes his ninja abilities as coming from "training," which can be interpreted as alluding to a long a deliberate preparation or modification that gave him the Shadow abilities that consume him, as well as how his good half is lost to his own powers' darkness. WMG though this theory is, the facts of their actions and flaws (Pride, Fear, Self-loathing, Corruption) are largely agreed to be present in the lyrics, whatever meaning a person takes from them. Self-destructive ideas and being destroyed by a part of themselves relates the idea that their own weapons can destroy them near as well as a weakness Mega Man could bring from another.
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* The album though, ends with [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Mega Man and Proto Man reconciling]], Proto telling Mega the others did what [[HeroicSacrifice they felt they had to do]], ending with [[{{Foreshadowing}} Proto Man promising he'll never work for Wily again]].

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* The album though, ends with [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments Mega Man and Proto Man reconciling]], Proto telling Mega the others did what [[HeroicSacrifice they felt they had to do]], ending with [[{{Foreshadowing}} Proto Man promising he'll never work for Wily again]].



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* Would Tomahawk Man's be in English or some native language?
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In the game's setting, humanoid robots are in the process of conquering the world (or at least [[AfterTheEnd recolonising it]]), as he planned, and the robots and humans are at peace (because the two are now indistinguishable, which [[TakeAThirdOption technically fulfills]] Gamma's peacemaking logic).

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In the game's setting, humanoid robots are in the process of conquering the world (or at least [[AfterTheEnd recolonising it]]), as he planned, and the robots and humans are at peace (because the two are now indistinguishable, which [[TakeAThirdOption technically fulfills]] Gamma's peacemaking logic).logic).

[[WMG: Guts Man and Cut Man don’t have songs because Proto Man killed them.]]
As we know from History Repeating: Red, Proto Man was originally going to be the One, but was destroyed before he could really become a hero. There's nothing saying that he never had a chance, however. He was originally set to stop Wily's 6 Robot Masters during his first uprising. He went after Guts Man first, then Cut Man, as many players do. After defeating them, he went to Elec Man, who damaged Blues beyond repair. The "circuits afire" Proto Man refers to In I'm Not the Breakmam are his circuits overheating from excessive amounts of electricity, and this also mirrors how infamously hard Elec Man was in the original game. It was at this point that Dr. Light used parts from Proto Man to create Mega Man. All of Megatainment takes place after Mega Man's activation, hence why Guts Man and Cut Man are absent.
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[[WMG: The Robot Masters from VideoGame/MegaMan1 and MegaManPoweredUp will get songs]]

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Note: This theory builds off the theory that Protoman is the Mega from Megatainment, it is one that I believe is solid and makes this one make a little more sense. Now to start: The song of course is completely a completely separate song from Part 1, despite the fact that their right next to each other in the actual album. This could be be explained by the tonal shift, but I think that just shows more that its a shift in perspective. Part 1 is more slow and depressing, more the way Megaman feels at the time, while Repeating 2 is more fast paced, and dare say it, angry. And who is said to be filled with rage at this current interval? Protoman! The brief part of Protoman coming in (if one thinks Mega is singing) doesn't have a separate singer/voice, despite the fact that they usually are at least different enough to distinguish which is singing, which quite frankly could jut be a mistake , and I won't take it as evidence, nut I thought it was worth pointing out. To pick apart some lyrics though, that helps this theory a little more. "I stand before a line in the sand/The fight lies ahead/My fate in my hands/Today the end begins" To me, at least, the line in the sand is his quest to destroy all that light stands for. The fight lying ahead is his fight with his brother, which is a surprise to Mega, in the games at least. And note he says my fate in my hands. Megaman is currently wondering if he even has a fate, but Proto's, Porot's is "Broken" and under his own control. This will be added more to later.

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Note: This theory builds off the theory that Protoman is the Mega from Megatainment, it is one that I believe is solid and makes this one make a little more sense. Now to start: The song of course is completely a completely separate song from Part 1, despite the fact that their right next to each other in the actual album. This could be be explained by the tonal shift, but I think that just shows more that its a shift in perspective. Part 1 is more slow and depressing, more the way Megaman feels at the time, while Repeating 2 is more fast paced, and dare say it, angry. And who is said to be filled with rage at this current interval? Protoman! The brief part of Protoman coming in (if one thinks Mega is singing) doesn't have a separate singer/voice, despite the fact that they usually are at least different enough to distinguish which is singing, which quite frankly could jut be a mistake , and I won't take it as evidence, nut I thought it was worth pointing out. To pick apart some lyrics though, that helps this theory a little more. "I stand before a line in the sand/The fight lies ahead/My fate in my hands/Today the end begins" To me, at least, the line in the sand is his quest to destroy all that light stands for. The fight lying ahead is his fight with his brother, which is a surprise to Mega, in the games at least. And note he says my fate in my hands. Megaman is currently wondering if he even has a fate, but Proto's, Porot's is "Broken" and under his own control. This will be added more to later.later.

[[WMG: One of the songs in [[VideoGame/MegaManZX ZX]] will be an IToldYouSo from Dr Wily]]
In the game's setting, humanoid robots are in the process of conquering the world (or at least [[AfterTheEnd recolonising it]]), as he planned, and the robots and humans are at peace (because the two are now indistinguishable, which [[TakeAThirdOption technically fulfills]] Gamma's peacemaking logic).
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** You mean "Fly on a Dog" ''wasn't'' his HeroicBSOD?
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** [[MoodWhiplash Until you listen to]] To Watch You Die and Fly On A Dog, which essentially involves him changing his mind because [[DespairEventHorizon he learns that Proto Man is working for Dr Wily]] and telling Mega Man to shut up and kill Dr Wily
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** Even as these villainous goals [[{{Irony}} end up coming to fruition]] and end up arguably being non-villainous. By [[VideoGame/MegaManZX ZX]], humanoid robots are conquering the world (or at least [[AfterTheEnd recolonising it]]), as Wily dreamed would happen, and the robots are at peace with humans because they are now indistinguishable from each other, which is [[TakeAThirdOption recognisably a derivative]] of Gamma's peace plan.

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[[WMG: If they ever got to MegaMan6...]]

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Note: This theory builds off the theory that Protoman is the Mega from Megatainment, it is one that I believe is solid and makes this one make a little more sense. Now to start: The song of course is completely a completely separate song from Part 1, despite the fact that their right next to each other in the actual album. This could be be explained by the tonal shift, but I think that just shows more that its a shift in perspective. Part 1 is more slow and depressing, more the way Megaman feels at the time, while Repeating 2 is more fast paced, and dare say it, angry. And who is said to be filled with rage at this current interval? Protoman! The brief part of Protoman coming in (if one thinks Mega is singing) doesn't have a separate singer/voice, despite the fact that they usually are at least different enough to distinguish which is singing, which quite frankly could jut be a mistake , and I won't take it as evidence, nut I thought it was worth pointing out. To pick apart some lyrics though, that helps this theory a little more. "I stand before a line in the sand/The fight lies ahead/My fate in my hands/Today the end begins" To me, at least, the line in the sand is his quest to destroy all that light stands for. The fight lying ahead is his fight with his brother, which is a surprise to Mega, in the games at least. And note he says my fate in my hands. Megaman is currently wondering if he even has a fate, but Proto's, Porot's is "Broken" and under his own control. This will be added more to later.

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Note: This theory builds off the theory that Protoman is the Mega from Megatainment, it is one that I believe is solid and makes this one make a little more sense. Now to start: The song of course is completely a completely separate song from Part 1, despite the fact that their right next to each other in the actual album. This could be be explained by the tonal shift, but I think that just shows more that its a shift in perspective. Part 1 is more slow and depressing, more the way Megaman feels at the time, while Repeating 2 is more fast paced, and dare say it, angry. And who is said to be filled with rage at this current interval? Protoman! The brief part of Protoman coming in (if one thinks Mega is singing) doesn't have a separate singer/voice, despite the fact that they usually are at least different enough to distinguish which is singing, which quite frankly could jut be a mistake , and I won't take it as evidence, nut I thought it was worth pointing out. To pick apart some lyrics though, that helps this theory a little more. "I stand before a line in the sand/The fight lies ahead/My fate in my hands/Today the end begins" To me, at least, the line in the sand is his quest to destroy all that light stands for. The fight lying ahead is his fight with his brother, which is a surprise to Mega, in the games at least. And note he says my fate in my hands. Megaman is currently wondering if he even has a fate, but Proto's, Porot's is "Broken" and under his own control. This will be added more to later.

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Related to the above, Megaman's been headed on to this for a while. Gotta Run/Be The One has The Megas' half represent Megaman's rational side, optimistic and courageous about the future. The {{Brentalfloss}} half, on the other hand, represents his instinctive and crazier side. The two both refer to themselves as Megaman, yet the Brentalfloss voice refers directly to the Megas voice, implying the two are SplitPersonalities. Then, following the painful realizations at the end of Megaman 2, the Brentalfloss side took over in 3 in full to deal with it. If taken as canon, Megaman 3 With Lyrics really does sound like Megaman is just plain insane at that point, only able to survive by embracing the insanity.

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Related to the above, Megaman's been headed on to this for a while. Gotta Run/Be The One has The Megas' half represent Megaman's rational side, optimistic and courageous about the future. The {{Brentalfloss}} Music/{{Brentalfloss}} half, on the other hand, represents his instinctive and crazier side. The two both refer to themselves as Megaman, yet the Brentalfloss voice refers directly to the Megas voice, implying the two are SplitPersonalities. Then, following the painful realizations at the end of Megaman 2, the Brentalfloss side took over in 3 in full to deal with it. If taken as canon, Megaman 3 With Lyrics really does sound like Megaman is just plain insane at that point, only able to survive by embracing the insanity.
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[[WMG: The singer in "History Repeating: Part 2" is Protoman...]]
Note: This theory builds off the theory that Protoman is the Mega from Megatainment, it is one that I believe is solid and makes this one make a little more sense. Now to start: The song of course is completely a completely separate song from Part 1, despite the fact that their right next to each other in the actual album. This could be be explained by the tonal shift, but I think that just shows more that its a shift in perspective. Part 1 is more slow and depressing, more the way Megaman feels at the time, while Repeating 2 is more fast paced, and dare say it, angry. And who is said to be filled with rage at this current interval? Protoman! The brief part of Protoman coming in (if one thinks Mega is singing) doesn't have a separate singer/voice, despite the fact that they usually are at least different enough to distinguish which is singing, which quite frankly could jut be a mistake , and I won't take it as evidence, nut I thought it was worth pointing out. To pick apart some lyrics though, that helps this theory a little more. "I stand before a line in the sand/The fight lies ahead/My fate in my hands/Today the end begins" To me, at least, the line in the sand is his quest to destroy all that light stands for. The fight lying ahead is his fight with his brother, which is a surprise to Mega, in the games at least. And note he says my fate in my hands. Megaman is currently wondering if he even has a fate, but Proto's, Porot's is "Broken" and under his own control. This will be added more to later.

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**Alternatively, Guts Man's could include a bit of him fighting for his honor. It would be in the same vein as "Programmed to Fight". Cut Man could talk about how he misses his brother. Oil Man could act like a reckless oil tycoon, just taking what he wants with little regard to the consequences. He ignores it when people try to talk to him. He doesn't think about what he's doing until just before he is defeated. And Time Man could be lamenting about how even though his powers will make him the longest survivor, he can't rewind time to prevent all the death. Appropriate titles would be "No Guts, No Glory", "Cutting Ties", [[MoralEventHorizon "My Morality is Slipping"]], and [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong "Turn Back the Clock"]].




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* Possibly confirmed with "Continue".



[[WMG: What the rest of the MM3 casts’ songs are about.]]

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[[WMG: If they ever got to Megaman 6...]]

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[[WMG: If they ever got to Megaman 6...]]
If they finally decided to cover Megaman 6, they will do the songs in the language and cultural style the robot masters hailed from. For example, Yamato Man's song will be sung in japanese, Wind Man's song will be sung in mandarin, etc. Maybe they'll also make english versions of the songs.

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[[WMG: Protoman was the one who killed the 4 robot masters in history repeating red]]
The Four robot masters in red seemed to either not be doing anything wrong or desperately trying to get rid of their homicidal tendencies. Megaman may be jaded at this point but not enough to kill robots who were either looking for help or minding their own business. Hardman was deliberately challenged and forced out of retirement, Needleman was arguing with somebody about what he was and the geminimen were actively hunted showing that whoever attacked them had been more malicious then megaman is usually shown. Protoman on the other hand is "blinded by rage" at this point and would probably want to kill and/or torment wily's (and light's) creations.

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[[WMG: Protoman was the one who killed the 4 robot masters in history repeating red]]
History Repeating: Red]]
The Four four robot masters in red Red seemed to either not be doing anything wrong or desperately trying to get rid of their homicidal tendencies. Megaman may be jaded at this point but not enough to kill robots who were either looking for help or minding their own business. Hardman was deliberately challenged and forced out of retirement, Needleman was arguing with somebody about what he was and the geminimen were actively hunted showing that whoever attacked them had been more malicious then megaman is usually shown. Protoman on the other hand is "blinded by rage" at this point and would probably want to kill and/or torment wily's (and light's) creations.


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[[WMG: In Melody from the Past...]]
When Break Man/Proto Man says "'If I was standing where you are I think I would've done what father wants, but now I know what I'd become...", he's not referring to how Mega Man fights to protect the human race. He's referring to how Dr. Light wanted Mega Man to kill Wily to end the cycle. Mega Man chose to spare Wily... but if Proto Man had been in that position, he would've killed Wily.
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[[WMG: There is no canon.]]
Rather than all being parts of a single, continuing narrative, each song is a self-contained vignette describing an event in an alternate reality, or how the singer perceived the event in the games proper, or simply an alternate stylistic interpretation of events. This makes sense of the seemingly disparate nature of how the conflicts between Mega Man and the Robot Masters play out. Some robot masters reference having a "level", which would imply that they exist in something akin to how the original games portray the conflict, but others act differently. Quick Man's song talks like he's the sheriff of a frontier town, Hard Man is treated like an aging prize fighter and Mega Man's fight with him seems to be an uncharacteristic fistfight, Gemini Man gives the impression that at the very least he -thinks- he's in a city and Mega Man is tracking him down, etc. It's very hard to reconcile all of these to be taking place in the same world.
However, that doesn't mean the songs have no connection. They all take place as parts of stories that are structurally identical - that is, the rough story of the Mega Man games. There are constants. Characters that persist between songs, even if they are not the exact same character, have gone through comparable things. Wily always wages war on Light, Mega Man always fights the Robot Masters and wins, Proto Man always gets reprogrammed by Wily and so on. By providing so many different instances and takes on the same basic story, the songs of The Megas demonstrate how enduring and resonant the themes of that story are - Security and peace vs ambition and war, brother turned against brother, why people fight, soldiers questioning their actions, etcetera.
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[[WMG: Dr Light is central to Dr Wily's morality]]
It may be an instance of MoralityPet, MoralityChain, or ProtagonistCentredMorality (in canon and in the albums, he was a close friend of Dr Light before he become the villain), but he really does not want to see him come to harm and is fighting him and Megaman strictly over [[VisionaryVillain his vision for the future]]. When he resurrects Protoman, it causes him [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone immense anguish]] to [[CameBackWrong discover that he now utterly hates Dr Light]].
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*This doesn't quite add up. If Wily was killed by Gamma, Mega Man wouldn't be questioning whether he should kill Wily in I Refuse (to Believe), because he'd already be dead.
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[[WMG: The person Needle Man is speaking to near the end of "The Haystack Principle" is Protoman]]
Protoman, having already given up on himself, saw that Needle Man was also trying to resist his programming and came to discourage the idea. In the end, Needle Man proved Protoman wrong by allowing himself to be killed by Mega Man.
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* It would certainly add to the DeconReconSwitch, going from depicting the villain as a sympathetic figure [[VisionaryVillain with plans for the future of mankind]] to calling him out on being a mass-kidnapping, [[MindRape mass-brainwashing]], mass-murdering, [[Hypocrite hypocritical]] PsychopathicManchild [[GreenEyedMonster driven by envy]] [[SmallNameBigEgo and delusions of grandeur]].

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* It would certainly add to the DeconReconSwitch, going from depicting the villain as a sympathetic figure [[VisionaryVillain with plans for the future of mankind]] to calling him out on being a mass-kidnapping, [[MindRape mass-brainwashing]], mass-murdering, [[Hypocrite [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocritical]] PsychopathicManchild [[GreenEyedMonster driven by envy]] [[SmallNameBigEgo and delusions of grandeur]].
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* It would certainly add to the DeconReconSwitch, going from depicting the villain as a sympathetic figure [[VisionaryVillain with plans for the future of mankind]] to calling him out on being a mass-kidnapping, [[MindRape mass-brainwashing]], mass-murdering, [[Hypocrite hypocritical]] PsychopathicManchild [[GreenEyedMonster driven by envy]] [[SmallNameBigEgo and delusions of grandeur]].
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[[WMG: "Continue" is sung by Roll.]]
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[[WMG: The next album is going to be another acoustic album encompassing all of Mega Man 3.]]
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[[WMG: Cutman and Gutsman will sing a song about [[VillainousFriendship]] ]]

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[[WMG: Cutman and Gutsman will sing a song about [[VillainousFriendship]] ]]
They are often depicted as hanging out with each other.

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