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She has blonde hair and blue eyes, which are recessive traits, so both parents would have to carry the genes. It's possible that Mr. Everdeen carried those genes but it's improbable given the implication that people with those traits rarely marry with people from the Seam.
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She has blonde hair and blue eyes, which are recessive traits, so both parents would have to carry the genes. It's possible that Mr. Everdeen carried those genes but it's improbable given the implication that people with those traits rarely marry with people from the Seam.Seam.
[[WMG: Plutarch rigged the 74th hunger games and the reaping of Prim to start the rebellion]]
Plutarch likely had to be with the revolution before the 75th hunger games, given everything necessary to fit into place. Being in the capital and a gamemaker, he likely had access to things like video footage of everyone. He knew that a girl volunteering to take the place of her young sister would win over viewers, and it worked out better than he could have even imagined. Katniss is pretty predictable, so her volunteering was basically guaranteed to happen if Prim's name was drawn. Especially from a district where people just don't volunteer, and where there's only ever been ONE winner. Then he made promises to a number of tributes to NOT kill Katniss, and their families would be taken care of. Not all of them were in on it, but a few were. Namely Foxface, Clove, and Glimmer. Then he spent his time as a game maker making sure Katniss won. When she didn't team up with the careers, he pushed her toward Rue knowing that when Rue died, Katniss would honor her. (And Rue would eventually have to die anyway.) He also may have led others to their death in the name of the games. What he didn't count on, and what worked out better than he could've imagined, is that Seneca Crane would agree to the two winners per district thing. Once the capitol went back on their word, and Katniss chose the third option, it solidified her position as the mockingjay and symbol of the rebellion. Of course, he also didn't count on Coin preferring Peeta or Peeta not getting out of the 75th Hunger Games.
[[WMG: Plutarch rigged the 74th hunger games and the reaping of Prim to start the rebellion]]
Plutarch likely had to be with the revolution before the 75th hunger games, given everything necessary to fit into place. Being in the capital and a gamemaker, he likely had access to things like video footage of everyone. He knew that a girl volunteering to take the place of her young sister would win over viewers, and it worked out better than he could have even imagined. Katniss is pretty predictable, so her volunteering was basically guaranteed to happen if Prim's name was drawn. Especially from a district where people just don't volunteer, and where there's only ever been ONE winner. Then he made promises to a number of tributes to NOT kill Katniss, and their families would be taken care of. Not all of them were in on it, but a few were. Namely Foxface, Clove, and Glimmer. Then he spent his time as a game maker making sure Katniss won. When she didn't team up with the careers, he pushed her toward Rue knowing that when Rue died, Katniss would honor her. (And Rue would eventually have to die anyway.) He also may have led others to their death in the name of the games. What he didn't count on, and what worked out better than he could've imagined, is that Seneca Crane would agree to the two winners per district thing. Once the capitol went back on their word, and Katniss chose the third option, it solidified her position as the mockingjay and symbol of the rebellion. Of course, he also didn't count on Coin preferring Peeta or Peeta not getting out of the 75th Hunger Games.
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[[WMG: Katniss chose her WeaponOfChoice ''because'' of her name.]]
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[[WMG: Katniss chose her WeaponOfChoice Weapon ''because'' of her name.]]
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* To say nothing of their sister, [[{{IncrediblyLamePun}} Wo]], and cousin [[{{IncrediblyLamePun}} Hu]].
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ClimateChange is one reason for natural disasters to occur which, along with wars, caused the world to go to shit. TheArk is somewhere out there when the sea level rose. Just like Panem, TheArk is a ShiningCity but heavily besieged by warring [[LaResistance rebels]] and security forces. The Resistance also hoped to make contact with civilization on the mainlands. They eventually found Panem and decided to take refuge in it rather than continue fighting on TheArk. Unfortunately for them, the Districts are just as bland as the Guest Slums, the Capitol treats them like crap and some of their younger members gets chosen to fight in a RealityTV deathmatch. And all of that pissed them off, again. Naturally, they contributed to the rebellion. Revolution begins again (with a nice touch of LeParkour)!
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[[WMG: Possible Quarter Quell Twists / "[[{{InsistentTerminology}} Gimmicks]]"]]
It's established that there's multiple gimmicks prepared for future Quarter Quells, but aside from the three, the rest is up to speculation.
* A Quarter Quell where its gimmick is that Tributes get eliminated instead of killed.
** It may be weird, but from what I'm thinking, the angle of it would be "We, the Capitol, have felt that, time around, it will be ''us'' who will be at your mercy. We shall show mercy this time around and spare your Tributes, though only after they're eliminated in this year's Hunger Games."
* A Capitol games as Coin proposed in Mockingjay. It's unlikely, but it could happen.
* A Quarter Quell that selects tributes from ages 5-12.
** Even sicker, a 4-and-under only one.
* A Quarter Quell that selects only siblings as pairs from each district.
* A Quarter Quell that selects two tributes, but one must kill the other before they enter the arena.
* A Quarter Quell that selects two tributes randomly, without regard to gender.
* A Quarter Quell that selects four tributes per district, with two tributes being over the age to go into the reaping.
* A Quarter Quell that selects three tributes per district with no regard to gender.
* A Quarter Quell that puts the tributes up against fully armed Peacekeepers, with no weapons, no food, no water.
* A Quarter Quell with no winner. Everyone dies.
* A Quarter Quell with only the parents or siblings/children of past Victors.
* A Quarter Quell where each set of tributes will be parents who have at least one child.
* A Quarter Quell where one parent gets reaped as a tribute, and one is their child.
* A Quarter Quell where parents themselves have to vote, rather than all the townspeople as it was in the First Quarter Quell.
* A Quarter Quell with a tiny Arena, little shelter, and no supplies except what the (vengeful) Arena itself has, weapons included.
* A Quarter Quell with no cornucopia.
* A Quarter Quell with no weapons. Everyone is forced to fight to the death with their bare hands.
* A Quarter Quell tournament style! Each tribute will be randomly matched against another in a one-on-one fight, the winners move on to round two and so on, until there are three left and then the final three compete the regular way.
* A Quarter Quell that selects tributes from ANY age.
* A Quarter Quell where ''only'' over-eighteens are reaped.
* A Quarter Quell that only accepts volunteers (the Capital will find a way to ensure that people volunteer).
* A Quarter Quell where each tribute gets to choose their weapon.
* A Quarter Quell where the tributes from each district act as {{Tag Team}}s, with only one tribute per district being allowed in the Arena at a time. The last team standing wins.
* A Quarter Quell where a game occurs in ''every district'' (so a District 1, 2, 3, 4-specific Hunger Games) rather than one overall.
* A Quarter Quell where only males or only females participate.
** Or, possibly, where both happen, but boys can only find other boys, and the same with girls.
* A Quarter Quell that takes place in total darkness.
* A Quarter Quell with no mentors, no training, and no sponsors.
* A Quarter Quell where the Capitol is explicitly allowed to vote for who they want to see die next.
* A Quarter Quell where the ''districts'' are allowed to vote for who they want to die next.
* A Quarter Quell where a Hunger Games takes place within every single age group - so each district has to give up twelve kids, one of every age from 12-18, then they fight to the death.
* A Quarter Quell where the tributes are chosen via assessment - the cleverest (or slowest, or literally ''anything'' the Capitol chooses) gets chosen to go into the Arena.
* A Quarter Quell where the first reaping is to decide which district will be chosen. They are then the only district who has to pick tributes.
* A Quarter Quell where previous victors have to choose who is reaped.
* A Quarter Quell where being a Career is not only normal for Districts 1-4, but for everyone. Everyone gets to train for a year or a certain amount of time, then gets put in the arena.
* A Quarter Quell where alliances are not allowed.
* A Quarter Quell where only one person gets reaped...because that tribute has to choose someone else from their district to be the other tribute.
* A Quarter Quell that doesn't take place in an arena, but in the Districts themselves.
* A Quarter Quell where both tributes from a given district are declared joint Victors if they outlast everyone else. Essentially the same result as the 74th Games, but without the rule changes.
* A Quarter Quell where [[{{Calvinball}} the victory conditions change at the drop of a hat]].
* [[FinalExamBoss Every single previous]][[AllYourPowersCombined Quarter Quell condition at once]].
* An entire District’s population is forced to fight to the death.
* Challengers from another country are brought in.
It's established that there's multiple gimmicks prepared for future Quarter Quells, but aside from the three, the rest is up to speculation.
* A Quarter Quell where its gimmick is that Tributes get eliminated instead of killed.
** It may be weird, but from what I'm thinking, the angle of it would be "We, the Capitol, have felt that, time around, it will be ''us'' who will be at your mercy. We shall show mercy this time around and spare your Tributes, though only after they're eliminated in this year's Hunger Games."
* A Capitol games as Coin proposed in Mockingjay. It's unlikely, but it could happen.
* A Quarter Quell that selects tributes from ages 5-12.
** Even sicker, a 4-and-under only one.
* A Quarter Quell that selects only siblings as pairs from each district.
* A Quarter Quell that selects two tributes, but one must kill the other before they enter the arena.
* A Quarter Quell that selects two tributes randomly, without regard to gender.
* A Quarter Quell that selects four tributes per district, with two tributes being over the age to go into the reaping.
* A Quarter Quell that selects three tributes per district with no regard to gender.
* A Quarter Quell that puts the tributes up against fully armed Peacekeepers, with no weapons, no food, no water.
* A Quarter Quell with no winner. Everyone dies.
* A Quarter Quell with only the parents or siblings/children of past Victors.
* A Quarter Quell where each set of tributes will be parents who have at least one child.
* A Quarter Quell where one parent gets reaped as a tribute, and one is their child.
* A Quarter Quell where parents themselves have to vote, rather than all the townspeople as it was in the First Quarter Quell.
* A Quarter Quell with a tiny Arena, little shelter, and no supplies except what the (vengeful) Arena itself has, weapons included.
* A Quarter Quell with no cornucopia.
* A Quarter Quell with no weapons. Everyone is forced to fight to the death with their bare hands.
* A Quarter Quell tournament style! Each tribute will be randomly matched against another in a one-on-one fight, the winners move on to round two and so on, until there are three left and then the final three compete the regular way.
* A Quarter Quell that selects tributes from ANY age.
* A Quarter Quell where ''only'' over-eighteens are reaped.
* A Quarter Quell that only accepts volunteers (the Capital will find a way to ensure that people volunteer).
* A Quarter Quell where each tribute gets to choose their weapon.
* A Quarter Quell where the tributes from each district act as {{Tag Team}}s, with only one tribute per district being allowed in the Arena at a time. The last team standing wins.
* A Quarter Quell where a game occurs in ''every district'' (so a District 1, 2, 3, 4-specific Hunger Games) rather than one overall.
* A Quarter Quell where only males or only females participate.
** Or, possibly, where both happen, but boys can only find other boys, and the same with girls.
* A Quarter Quell that takes place in total darkness.
* A Quarter Quell with no mentors, no training, and no sponsors.
* A Quarter Quell where the Capitol is explicitly allowed to vote for who they want to see die next.
* A Quarter Quell where the ''districts'' are allowed to vote for who they want to die next.
* A Quarter Quell where a Hunger Games takes place within every single age group - so each district has to give up twelve kids, one of every age from 12-18, then they fight to the death.
* A Quarter Quell where the tributes are chosen via assessment - the cleverest (or slowest, or literally ''anything'' the Capitol chooses) gets chosen to go into the Arena.
* A Quarter Quell where the first reaping is to decide which district will be chosen. They are then the only district who has to pick tributes.
* A Quarter Quell where previous victors have to choose who is reaped.
* A Quarter Quell where being a Career is not only normal for Districts 1-4, but for everyone. Everyone gets to train for a year or a certain amount of time, then gets put in the arena.
* A Quarter Quell where alliances are not allowed.
* A Quarter Quell where only one person gets reaped...because that tribute has to choose someone else from their district to be the other tribute.
* A Quarter Quell that doesn't take place in an arena, but in the Districts themselves.
* A Quarter Quell where both tributes from a given district are declared joint Victors if they outlast everyone else. Essentially the same result as the 74th Games, but without the rule changes.
* A Quarter Quell where [[{{Calvinball}} the victory conditions change at the drop of a hat]].
* [[FinalExamBoss Every single previous]][[AllYourPowersCombined Quarter Quell condition at once]].
* An entire District’s population is forced to fight to the death.
* Challengers from another country are brought in.
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It's established that there's multiple gimmicks prepared for future Quarter Quells, but aside from the three, the rest is up to speculation.
* A Quarter Quell where its gimmick is that Tributes get eliminated instead of killed.
** It may be weird, but from what I'm thinking, the angle of it would be "We, the Capitol, have felt that, time around, it will be ''us'' who will be at your mercy. We shall show mercy this time around and spare your Tributes, though only after they're eliminated in this year's Hunger Games."
* A Capitol games as Coin proposed in Mockingjay. It's unlikely, but it could happen.
* A Quarter Quell that selects tributes from ages 5-12.
** Even sicker, a 4-and-under only one.
* A Quarter Quell that selects only siblings as pairs from each district.
* A Quarter Quell that selects two tributes, but one must kill the other before they enter the arena.
* A Quarter Quell that selects two tributes randomly, without regard to gender.
* A Quarter Quell that selects four tributes per district, with two tributes being over the age to go into the reaping.
* A Quarter Quell that selects three tributes per district with no regard to gender.
* A Quarter Quell that puts the tributes up against fully armed Peacekeepers, with no weapons, no food, no water.
* A Quarter Quell with no winner. Everyone dies.
* A Quarter Quell with only the parents or siblings/children of past Victors.
* A Quarter Quell where each set of tributes will be parents who have at least one child.
* A Quarter Quell where one parent gets reaped as a tribute, and one is their child.
* A Quarter Quell where parents themselves have to vote, rather than all the townspeople as it was in the First Quarter Quell.
* A Quarter Quell with a tiny Arena, little shelter, and no supplies except what the (vengeful) Arena itself has, weapons included.
* A Quarter Quell with no cornucopia.
* A Quarter Quell with no weapons. Everyone is forced to fight to the death with their bare hands.
* A Quarter Quell tournament style! Each tribute will be randomly matched against another in a one-on-one fight, the winners move on to round two and so on, until there are three left and then the final three compete the regular way.
* A Quarter Quell that selects tributes from ANY age.
* A Quarter Quell where ''only'' over-eighteens are reaped.
* A Quarter Quell that only accepts volunteers (the Capital will find a way to ensure that people volunteer).
* A Quarter Quell where each tribute gets to choose their weapon.
* A Quarter Quell where the tributes from each district act as {{Tag Team}}s, with only one tribute per district being allowed in the Arena at a time. The last team standing wins.
* A Quarter Quell where a game occurs in ''every district'' (so a District 1, 2, 3, 4-specific Hunger Games) rather than one overall.
* A Quarter Quell where only males or only females participate.
** Or, possibly, where both happen, but boys can only find other boys, and the same with girls.
* A Quarter Quell that takes place in total darkness.
* A Quarter Quell with no mentors, no training, and no sponsors.
* A Quarter Quell where the Capitol is explicitly allowed to vote for who they want to see die next.
* A Quarter Quell where the ''districts'' are allowed to vote for who they want to die next.
* A Quarter Quell where a Hunger Games takes place within every single age group - so each district has to give up twelve kids, one of every age from 12-18, then they fight to the death.
* A Quarter Quell where the tributes are chosen via assessment - the cleverest (or slowest, or literally ''anything'' the Capitol chooses) gets chosen to go into the Arena.
* A Quarter Quell where the first reaping is to decide which district will be chosen. They are then the only district who has to pick tributes.
* A Quarter Quell where previous victors have to choose who is reaped.
* A Quarter Quell where being a Career is not only normal for Districts 1-4, but for everyone. Everyone gets to train for a year or a certain amount of time, then gets put in the arena.
* A Quarter Quell where alliances are not allowed.
* A Quarter Quell where only one person gets reaped...because that tribute has to choose someone else from their district to be the other tribute.
* A Quarter Quell that doesn't take place in an arena, but in the Districts themselves.
* A Quarter Quell where both tributes from a given district are declared joint Victors if they outlast everyone else. Essentially the same result as the 74th Games, but without the rule changes.
* A Quarter Quell where [[{{Calvinball}} the victory conditions change at the drop of a hat]].
* [[FinalExamBoss Every single previous]][[AllYourPowersCombined Quarter Quell condition at once]].
* An entire District’s population is forced to fight to the death.
* Challengers from another country are brought in.
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[[WMG: [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} Gensokyo]] exists in the same world as The Hunger Games, and the books take place shortly before or during Phantasmagoria of Flower View.]]
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[[WMG: [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} [[Franchise/TouhouProject Gensokyo]] exists in the same world as The Hunger Games, and the books take place shortly before or during Phantasmagoria of Flower View.]]
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* On the plus side, it could make for a good "Cinna is actually [[Film/TheMatrix Morpheus]] trying to unplug Katniss so she can become Trinity" plot.
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* On the plus side, it could make for a good "Cinna is actually [[Film/TheMatrix [[Franchise/TheMatrix Morpheus]] trying to unplug Katniss so she can become Trinity" plot.
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They gathered power quickly, promising the country to return to its highest glory (possibly even secretly backed by Norsefire at some point, after all they're NotSoDifferent). Progressively they gained more votes and more states to support them, more seats in the Congress. And finally there came a day that after that election [[ThereCanBeOnlyOne there could remain only one party]] -- most likely, of the two, as this party would've assimilated all of the closest far-right, semi-fascist parties, and the leftists gathered round all the socialist or liberal-leaning parties in kinda "#Alliance4Democracy". The rest became completely minor and negligible by then.
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They gathered power quickly, promising the country to return to its highest glory (possibly even secretly backed by Norsefire at some point, after all they're NotSoDifferent).not so different). Progressively they gained more votes and more states to support them, more seats in the Congress. And finally there came a day that after that election [[ThereCanBeOnlyOne there could remain only one party]] -- most likely, of the two, as this party would've assimilated all of the closest far-right, semi-fascist parties, and the leftists gathered round all the socialist or liberal-leaning parties in kinda "#Alliance4Democracy". The rest became completely minor and negligible by then.
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[[WMG: Possible Quarter Quell Gimmicks]]
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* To tie this in with another theory about the rebellion beginning before the 74th Games, it could be the rebels, somehow armed with knowledge that Katniss is a skilled hunter, the object of Peeta's affections, and completely devoted to protecting Prim, that they rigged the box so Prim would be selected in order to get Katniss to volunteer, thus creating the Mockingjay. Admittedly, that does rely on a bit of GambutRoulette, but this is WMG, after all.
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* To tie this in with another theory about the rebellion beginning before the 74th Games, it could be the rebels, somehow armed with knowledge that Katniss is a skilled hunter, the object of Peeta's affections, and completely devoted to protecting Prim, that they rigged the box so Prim would be selected in order to get Katniss to volunteer, thus creating the Mockingjay. Admittedly, that does rely on a bit of GambutRoulette, GambitRoulette, but this is WMG, after all.
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GlobalWarming is one reason for natural disasters to occur which, along with wars, caused the world to go to shit. TheArk is somewhere out there when the sea level rose. Just like Panem, TheArk is a ShiningCity but heavily besieged by warring [[LaResistance rebels]] and security forces. The Resistance also hoped to make contact with civilization on the mainlands. They eventually found Panem and decided to take refuge in it rather than continue fighting on TheArk. Unfortunately for them, the Districts are just as bland as the Guest Slums, the Capitol treats them like crap and some of their younger members gets chosen to fight in a RealityTV deathmatch. And all of that pissed them off, again. Naturally, they contributed to the rebellion. Revolution begins again (with a nice touch of LeParkour)!
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** All we need to do now is incorporate ''Franchise/{{SAW}}'' into this.
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* Adding onto this, ''Franchise/{{Danganronpa}}'' was an intermediary form between Total Drama and the Hunger Games. The format wasn’t perfected until the first Hunger Games. Further, the Hunger Games eventually devolved into ''Literature/TheRunningMan'', thanks to TheRemnant of Coin’s ideology and ways taking over and using killing games for “good” purposes, killing Capitol citizens at first before [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope targeting anyone they didn’t like]]. ''Literature/BattleRoyale'' and ''VisualNovel/YourTurnToDie'' are both intermediary forms between ''Danganronpa'' and ''The Hunger Games''. Effectively, a series of HappyEndingOverride after HappyEndingOverride.
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* Adding onto this, ''Franchise/{{Danganronpa}}'' was an intermediary form between Total Drama and the Hunger Games. The format wasn’t perfected until the first Hunger Games. Further, the Hunger Games eventually devolved into ''Literature/TheRunningMan'', thanks to TheRemnant of Coin’s ideology and ways taking over and using killing games for “good” purposes, killing Capitol citizens at first before [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope targeting anyone they didn’t like]]. ''Literature/BattleRoyale'' and ''VisualNovel/YourTurnToDie'' are both intermediary forms between ''Danganronpa'' and ''The Hunger Games''. Effectively, a series of HappyEndingOverride after HappyEndingOverride.
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* Adding onto this, ''Franchise/{{Danganronpa}}'' was an intermediary form between Total Drama and the Hunger Games. The format wasn’t perfected until the first Hunger Games. Further, the Hunger Games eventually devolved into ''Literature/TheRunningMan'', thanks to TheRemnant of Coin’s ideology and ways taking over and using killing games for “good” purposes.
purposes, killing Capitol citizens at first before [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope targeting anyone they didn’t like]]. ''Literature/BattleRoyale'' and ''VisualNovel/YourTurnToDie'' are both intermediary forms between ''Danganronpa'' and ''The Hunger Games''. Effectively, a series of HappyEndingOverride after HappyEndingOverride.
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* Adding onto this, ''Franchise/{{Danganronpa}}'' was an intermediary form between Total Drama and the Hunger Games. The format wasn’t perfected until the first Hunger Games. Further, the Hunger Games eventually devolved into ''Literature/TheRunningMan''.
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It takes place almost immediately after the Great War. Then everyone either dies or becomes ghouls.
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It takes place almost immediately after (or even shortly before) the Great War. Then everyone either dies or becomes ghouls.
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* An entire District’s population is forced to fight to the death.
* Challengers from another country are brought in.
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Those were made for more than giving the location for the tributes, they also act as a sort of life detector for the players. Once inserted into the body, the tracker can check heart rate, or lack thereof, changes in temperature, body chemicals, etc and would notify the Gamemakers when a tribute dies.
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Those were made for more than giving the location for the tributes, they also act as a sort of life detector for the players. Once inserted into the body, the tracker can check heart rate, or lack thereof, changes in temperature, body chemicals, etc and would notify the Gamemakers when a tribute dies.dies.
[[WMG: Prim is Katniss' half-sister]]
She has blonde hair and blue eyes, which are recessive traits, so both parents would have to carry the genes. It's possible that Mr. Everdeen carried those genes but it's improbable given the implication that people with those traits rarely marry with people from the Seam.
[[WMG: Prim is Katniss' half-sister]]
She has blonde hair and blue eyes, which are recessive traits, so both parents would have to carry the genes. It's possible that Mr. Everdeen carried those genes but it's improbable given the implication that people with those traits rarely marry with people from the Seam.
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WildMassGuessing for ''Literature/{{Mockingjay}}'' can be found [[WMG/{{Mockingjay}} here]].
WildMassGuessing for ''Literature/TheBalladOfSongbirdsAndSnakes'' can be found [[WMG/TheBalladOfSongbirdsAndSnakes here]].
WildMassGuessing for ''Literature/TheBalladOfSongbirdsAndSnakes'' can be found [[WMG/TheBalladOfSongbirdsAndSnakes here]].
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WildMassGuessing for ''Literature/CatchingFire'' can be found [[WMG/CatchingFire here]], the page ''Literature/{{Mockingjay}}'' can be found is [[WMG/{{Mockingjay}} here]].
WildMassGuessinghere]], and the page for ''Literature/TheBalladOfSongbirdsAndSnakes'' can be found is [[WMG/TheBalladOfSongbirdsAndSnakes here]].
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[[WMG: Plutarch's actions in the book and movie versions of Catching Fire are not in contradiction with each other.]]
In the book, he states to Katniss at the end that he showed her his watch to help her out as a mentor and he had no idea at the time she'd be a tribute. In the movie, he did know; he proposed the idea to have this year's Quarter Quell be from the victors to President Snow. At first, this seemed like a change. But re-reading Catching Fire and Mockingjay, I think there's no contradiction. He was lying to Katniss. Otherwise, why would he particularly care about District Twelve and Katniss's mentor career to the point of actually attempting to tell her, in a quite risky manner, how the arena worked and give them a HUGE advantage? I think whether or not he actually suggested the Victors being reaped, he knew exactly what the Quarter Quell would consist of when he showed Katniss his watch. He (and the rebellion) were not taken by surprise by it; they had been planning this arena specifically with the escape in mind. If he was partially responsible for Katniss returning to the arena, I could see why he wouldn't say it to her face. Sorry if this is too obvious for a WMG, but I wanted to share the theory, as I've seen some reviewers acting like that was a big change to the movie.
In the book, he states to Katniss at the end that he showed her his watch to help her out as a mentor and he had no idea at the time she'd be a tribute. In the movie, he did know; he proposed the idea to have this year's Quarter Quell be from the victors to President Snow. At first, this seemed like a change. But re-reading Catching Fire and Mockingjay, I think there's no contradiction. He was lying to Katniss. Otherwise, why would he particularly care about District Twelve and Katniss's mentor career to the point of actually attempting to tell her, in a quite risky manner, how the arena worked and give them a HUGE advantage? I think whether or not he actually suggested the Victors being reaped, he knew exactly what the Quarter Quell would consist of when he showed Katniss his watch. He (and the rebellion) were not taken by surprise by it; they had been planning this arena specifically with the escape in mind. If he was partially responsible for Katniss returning to the arena, I could see why he wouldn't say it to her face. Sorry if this is too obvious for a WMG, but I wanted to share the theory, as I've seen some reviewers acting like that was a big change to the movie.
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[[WMG: Heavensbee will get the same treatmant as Senaca Crane in the Catching fire film.]]
While Heavnsbee gets much more focus in Mocking Jay his role in the book of Catching Fire is minimal. Given that he's played by Philip Seymor Hofman this would seem to be a waste unless they give him a role similar to Crane,
* The trailer seems to possibly confirm.
* Jossed. He played parts in Mockingjay Parts I and II.
While Heavnsbee gets much more focus in Mocking Jay his role in the book of Catching Fire is minimal. Given that he's played by Philip Seymor Hofman this would seem to be a waste unless they give him a role similar to Crane,
* The trailer seems to possibly confirm.
* Jossed. He played parts in Mockingjay Parts I and II.
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[[WMG: The ending to Catching Fire is Katniss' DyingDream]]
The way its set up [[spoiler:with Katniss bleeding out and setting the arena to be destroyed with Beetee's plan]] would make it clear that's something that would have likely killed her. It also helps that she wakes up to be told [[spoiler: Haymitch used her and Peeta to help start up a rebellion of the districts, District 12 has been destroyed while she's been away]].
The way its set up [[spoiler:with Katniss bleeding out and setting the arena to be destroyed with Beetee's plan]] would make it clear that's something that would have likely killed her. It also helps that she wakes up to be told [[spoiler: Haymitch used her and Peeta to help start up a rebellion of the districts, District 12 has been destroyed while she's been away]].
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[[WMG: In the Quarter Quell, the Career tributes (Districts 1 and 2) are in on the plan.]]
Since so many of the victors are Careers, any attempt to set up a resistance among victors will have to include a few of them. Also, the main risk in the Quell to the plan comes from the opponents of Katniss' alliance. There has to be some opposition or the entire game looks staged. Better that the opposition also be following the plan. The Career tributes gave their lives for the plan, knowing that they'd only be remembered as stereotypical brutes opposing the heroes of the rebellion.
* Also the career that the Careers are named after ''is'' the Games. It would make sense for the Careers to be doing what they've been trained since birth as part of the plan.
* If ALL the tributes were in on the plan, how would that work? The Careers try to kill Katniss, Peeta, and the alliance to keep up appearances, knowing however they are not supposed to kill Katniss and Peeta? If they knew, they might give the appearance of holding back from killing Katniss and Peeta and targeting others. Cashmere and Gloss did, however, actually try to kill Katniss and Peeta, and didn't succeed. Brutus and Enobaria tried very hard to survive and outlived many. I don't see what the rebellion even had to gain from getting the Careers in on it, if staged opposition would have the same effect as real opposition anyway? 1 and especially 2 were very loyalist districts and the Victors appreciated what the Capitol gave them.
Since so many of the victors are Careers, any attempt to set up a resistance among victors will have to include a few of them. Also, the main risk in the Quell to the plan comes from the opponents of Katniss' alliance. There has to be some opposition or the entire game looks staged. Better that the opposition also be following the plan. The Career tributes gave their lives for the plan, knowing that they'd only be remembered as stereotypical brutes opposing the heroes of the rebellion.
* Also the career that the Careers are named after ''is'' the Games. It would make sense for the Careers to be doing what they've been trained since birth as part of the plan.
* If ALL the tributes were in on the plan, how would that work? The Careers try to kill Katniss, Peeta, and the alliance to keep up appearances, knowing however they are not supposed to kill Katniss and Peeta? If they knew, they might give the appearance of holding back from killing Katniss and Peeta and targeting others. Cashmere and Gloss did, however, actually try to kill Katniss and Peeta, and didn't succeed. Brutus and Enobaria tried very hard to survive and outlived many. I don't see what the rebellion even had to gain from getting the Careers in on it, if staged opposition would have the same effect as real opposition anyway? 1 and especially 2 were very loyalist districts and the Victors appreciated what the Capitol gave them.
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[[WMG: With the unfortunate critical existence failure of Philip Seymour Hoffman (Plutarch Heavensbee), Seneca Crane could make a reappearance in Mockingjay Part 2.]]
Does it make sense canonically? Admittedly, no. But given the unfortunate demise of Hoffman and the need for Heavensbee's role in the rebellion, someone needs to fill in...and given that his role was tied into breaking down Capitol defenses and utilizing his Gamemaker knowledge, why not Seneca? We can't TECHNICALLY prove that he's dead - Snow lies almost constantly as a manipulative ploy, and we never actually saw him hung (in the books) or eating the berries (in the film). For all we know, the BadassBeard escaped and is secretly hiding out in the wilderness somewhere, or even made it to District 13 himself, and can step up to fill Heavensbee's shoes.
* Might not happen due to WordOfGod saying they got 90% of what they need from Hoffman and the other 10% they'll squeeze out in post via greenscreens and other visual effects. Awesome idea though.
** Jossed; FlipFlopOfGod has resulted in the VFX confirmed to not be happening. Whether or not Seneca will be SparedByTheAdaptation as a result remains to be seen.
[[WMG: Part of the story is Katniss's DyingDream.]]
She certainly has enough opportunities to be killed, and once she gets stung by the tracker jackers, which are known to cause hallucinations.
Does it make sense canonically? Admittedly, no. But given the unfortunate demise of Hoffman and the need for Heavensbee's role in the rebellion, someone needs to fill in...and given that his role was tied into breaking down Capitol defenses and utilizing his Gamemaker knowledge, why not Seneca? We can't TECHNICALLY prove that he's dead - Snow lies almost constantly as a manipulative ploy, and we never actually saw him hung (in the books) or eating the berries (in the film). For all we know, the BadassBeard escaped and is secretly hiding out in the wilderness somewhere, or even made it to District 13 himself, and can step up to fill Heavensbee's shoes.
* Might not happen due to WordOfGod saying they got 90% of what they need from Hoffman and the other 10% they'll squeeze out in post via greenscreens and other visual effects. Awesome idea though.
** Jossed; FlipFlopOfGod has resulted in the VFX confirmed to not be happening. Whether or not Seneca will be SparedByTheAdaptation as a result remains to be seen.
[[WMG: Part of the story is Katniss's DyingDream.]]
She certainly has enough opportunities to be killed, and once she gets stung by the tracker jackers, which are known to cause hallucinations.
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[[WMG: The author will introduce a ThirdOptionLoveInterest and have Katniss and Finnick end up together]]
...What? It does make some kind of sense. Collins may do this because she might be fed up with the whole 'Team Peeta' or 'Team Gale' stuff hat she may end up doing a LastGirlWins.
* [[spoiler: {{Jossed}}. Finnick marries Annie and [[TearJerker dies]], while Katniss has BabiesEverAfter with Peeta.]]
...What? It does make some kind of sense. Collins may do this because she might be fed up with the whole 'Team Peeta' or 'Team Gale' stuff hat she may end up doing a LastGirlWins.
* [[spoiler: {{Jossed}}. Finnick marries Annie and [[TearJerker dies]], while Katniss has BabiesEverAfter with Peeta.]]
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[[WMG: Haymitch is not going to survive Mockingjay]]
He's going to die. Collins always kills off mentors of the main characters. And I'm gonna bet that at least one of Gale's sibs is going to expire before the end of the book. Who else is going down?
* [[spoiler: Jossed.]]
[[WMG: The ending of Mockingjay was a result of ExecutiveMeddling.]]
* Collins intended a different ending, one in which Katniss ends up with [[TakeAThirdOption neither Peeta or Gale,]] but [[PanderingToTheBase her editor said no.]]
** PanderingToTheBase being an understatement: Judging by the whining that exists with the present ending, if Collins had done anything less, it'd be hissy fits heard around the globe.
** If it turns out to be true I might forgive the author, the ending seemed abrupt and out of zone with the rest of the story.
** According to WordOfGod it's the triangle that's a result of ExecutiveMeddling. Gale was originally Katniss' cousin and not a love interest but the editors insisted on a triangle. Katniss and Peeta were endgame all along.
** I'd like to see a source for the above claim.
He's going to die. Collins always kills off mentors of the main characters. And I'm gonna bet that at least one of Gale's sibs is going to expire before the end of the book. Who else is going down?
* [[spoiler: Jossed.]]
[[WMG: The ending of Mockingjay was a result of ExecutiveMeddling.]]
* Collins intended a different ending, one in which Katniss ends up with [[TakeAThirdOption neither Peeta or Gale,]] but [[PanderingToTheBase her editor said no.]]
** PanderingToTheBase being an understatement: Judging by the whining that exists with the present ending, if Collins had done anything less, it'd be hissy fits heard around the globe.
** If it turns out to be true I might forgive the author, the ending seemed abrupt and out of zone with the rest of the story.
** According to WordOfGod it's the triangle that's a result of ExecutiveMeddling. Gale was originally Katniss' cousin and not a love interest but the editors insisted on a triangle. Katniss and Peeta were endgame all along.
** I'd like to see a source for the above claim.
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He's going to die. Collins always kills off mentors of the main characters. And I'm gonna bet that at least one of Gale's sibs is going to expire before the end of the book. Who else is going down?
* [[spoiler: Jossed.]]
[[WMG: The ending of Mockingjay was a result of ExecutiveMeddling.]]
* Collins intended a different ending, one in which Katniss ends up with [[TakeAThirdOption neither Peeta or Gale,]] but [[PanderingToTheBase her editor said no.]]
** PanderingToTheBase being an understatement: Judging by the whining that exists with the present ending, if Collins had done anything less, it'd be hissy fits heard around the globe.
** If it turns out to be true I might forgive the author, the ending seemed abrupt and out of zone with the rest of the story.
** According to WordOfGod it's the triangle that's a result of ExecutiveMeddling. Gale was originally Katniss' cousin and not a love interest but the editors insisted on a triangle. Katniss and Peeta were endgame all along.
** I'd like to see a source for the above claim.
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[[WMG: Tying in with the above WMG, Katniss' son isn't Peeta's.]]
He's Gale's. Sure, he has blond hair (assumed to be from Peeta) and gray eyes (assumed to be from Katniss) but then again, Katniss ''does'' have blond genes in her (her mother and sister are both blond).
** Jossed. Her son has curly hair, like Peeta: the curly haired allele is considered to be genetically dominant, and therefore if Gale ''was'' his father, Gale would have to have curly hair too since Katniss does not. As both Gale and Katniss have straight hair, the allele could only have come from Peeta. This logic may also be applied to the daughter: she has blue eyes, which are dominant over Katniss and Gale's grey eyes, meaning that Peeta is the father of both of Katniss' children.
He's Gale's. Sure, he has blond hair (assumed to be from Peeta) and gray eyes (assumed to be from Katniss) but then again, Katniss ''does'' have blond genes in her (her mother and sister are both blond).
** Jossed. Her son has curly hair, like Peeta: the curly haired allele is considered to be genetically dominant, and therefore if Gale ''was'' his father, Gale would have to have curly hair too since Katniss does not. As both Gale and Katniss have straight hair, the allele could only have come from Peeta. This logic may also be applied to the daughter: she has blue eyes, which are dominant over Katniss and Gale's grey eyes, meaning that Peeta is the father of both of Katniss' children.
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[[WMG:Katniss's [[spoiler: children]] are twins]]
* The boy just has a muscular problem in his legs that caused them not to grow normally while the rest of him does.
** And they were implanted by IVF so had two separate pregnancies?
*** No, there's this thing where twins are born but not from the same egg cell. It's called fraternal twins. Think Phil and Lil from ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}''.
*** Fraternal twins are still conceived at the same time and carried at the same time. Katniss specifically mentions having two separate pregnancies.
* The boy just has a muscular problem in his legs that caused them not to grow normally while the rest of him does.
** And they were implanted by IVF so had two separate pregnancies?
*** No, there's this thing where twins are born but not from the same egg cell. It's called fraternal twins. Think Phil and Lil from ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}''.
*** Fraternal twins are still conceived at the same time and carried at the same time. Katniss specifically mentions having two separate pregnancies.
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[[WMG: Finnick will be SparedbytheAdaptation]]
* I really hope this happens.
* I really hope this happens.
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[[WMG: The Mockingjay movies]]
My guess is that the cutoff between parts 1 and 2 will be sometime around the bombing of District 13. It's a very climactic event, and occurs around the middle of the book. Either that, or after Peeta gets to Distict 13, which is right after the bombing.
* [[spoiler: The latter is correct.]]
My guess is that the cutoff between parts 1 and 2 will be sometime around the bombing of District 13. It's a very climactic event, and occurs around the middle of the book. Either that, or after Peeta gets to Distict 13, which is right after the bombing.
* [[spoiler: The latter is correct.]]
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[[WMG: Coin sent Prim out and then bombed the area specifically because Katniss set conditions to becoming the Rebellion's Mockingjay.]]
She's clearly displeased that Katniss can't be controlled, and that in order to get Katniss, she has to bend to Katniss's demands. Demands that do not make her happy in the slightest, because it means she's being told what to do. It means she's not the one in charge, and she hated it. Killing Prim was her revenge for Katniss putting conditions down. She also intended it for other reasons, ones that weren't as prominent but helped her to make that choice. Prim is Katniss's sister. The darling of Panem, the little girl who Katniss heroically volunteered for to save. Killing her would turn many people against Snow if they hadn't yet. It was also intended to be a motivation for Katniss just as much as it was intended to punish her for being defiant. After all, she and Snow are NotSoDifferent. Snow threatened to harm Prim before for Katniss being defiant. Coin, ever the liar, intended to do the same.
She's clearly displeased that Katniss can't be controlled, and that in order to get Katniss, she has to bend to Katniss's demands. Demands that do not make her happy in the slightest, because it means she's being told what to do. It means she's not the one in charge, and she hated it. Killing Prim was her revenge for Katniss putting conditions down. She also intended it for other reasons, ones that weren't as prominent but helped her to make that choice. Prim is Katniss's sister. The darling of Panem, the little girl who Katniss heroically volunteered for to save. Killing her would turn many people against Snow if they hadn't yet. It was also intended to be a motivation for Katniss just as much as it was intended to punish her for being defiant. After all, she and Snow are NotSoDifferent. Snow threatened to harm Prim before for Katniss being defiant. Coin, ever the liar, intended to do the same.
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She's clearly displeased that Katniss can't be controlled, and that in order to get Katniss, she has to bend to Katniss's demands. Demands that do not make her happy in the slightest, because it means she's being told what to do. It means she's not the one in charge, and she hated it. Killing Prim was her revenge for Katniss putting conditions down. She also intended it for other reasons, ones that weren't as prominent but helped her to make that choice. Prim is Katniss's sister. The darling of Panem, the little girl who Katniss heroically volunteered for to save. Killing her would turn many people against Snow if they hadn't yet. It was also intended to be a motivation for Katniss just as much as it was intended to punish her for being defiant. After all, she and Snow are NotSoDifferent. Snow threatened to harm Prim before for Katniss being defiant. Coin, ever the liar, intended to do the same.
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[[WMG: President Snow's granddaughter is reaped in the final Hunger Games.]]
In the final book, Johanna mentions that President Snow has a granddaughter, most likely of reaping age. When the victors decide to have a final Games consisting of tributes from the Capitol, it's entirely likely she could end up one of them... by coincidence or not.
** Those Games didn't take place.
[[WMG: Coin was a tribute from District Two.]]
The characters' names usually have some relation to the district they're from. Coins are made from metal, and District 2 works in masonry and metalworking. Also, This Troper thinks Coin was a tribute. Why? The only way Coin would know that the Games would be the perfect punishment for the Capitol would be to have been in them. Also, the Games harden you, and you have to not care about others in order to win. Coin definitely shows these aspects. This is also why Coin hates Katniss so much, [[ItsPersonal because Coin could have been The Mockingjay or whatever she would have been and the leader of the revolution at the same time when she was younger.]] Also, if that had been the case, the revolution would have taken place much earlier, giving the new regime more time for state building.
** Alternatively, Coin was a parent whose child was reaped and was killed in the Games. Her revenge is directed at the prominent Capitol citizens with children, not the children themselves. You do it to my child and make me suffer, I do it to your child and make you suffer. Although how did she manage to escape District Two and make it all to Thirteen, eventually becoming its leader?
*** Given that she shows both great intelligence and large amounts of ruthlessness, I always figured that she would have figured out how to escape ''somehow''. But your hypothesis is also very intriguing.
[[WMG: Coin is a communist.]]
I mean, think about it...
[[WMG: Snow LIED]]
This Troper does not think that District Thirteen pulled a GenghisGambit, but the Capitol made it look like they did. From the beginning: Snow promised Katniss he would not lie to her. But given the sort of character he is, he never intended to keep that promise. But Katniss thinks he'll keep his word. So when he knows he realizes he's toast, he decides to bring Coin and her regime down with him. First, he sends out a Capitol helicopter to bomb the children and medics. Then, when Katniss talks to him, he tells her that it was the rebels impersonating the Capitol. That's right, the Capitol's impersonating the rebels impersonating the Capitol. Now that Katniss "knows" that Coin was behind the bombing, she assassinates Coin instead.
In the final book, Johanna mentions that President Snow has a granddaughter, most likely of reaping age. When the victors decide to have a final Games consisting of tributes from the Capitol, it's entirely likely she could end up one of them... by coincidence or not.
** Those Games didn't take place.
[[WMG: Coin was a tribute from District Two.]]
The characters' names usually have some relation to the district they're from. Coins are made from metal, and District 2 works in masonry and metalworking. Also, This Troper thinks Coin was a tribute. Why? The only way Coin would know that the Games would be the perfect punishment for the Capitol would be to have been in them. Also, the Games harden you, and you have to not care about others in order to win. Coin definitely shows these aspects. This is also why Coin hates Katniss so much, [[ItsPersonal because Coin could have been The Mockingjay or whatever she would have been and the leader of the revolution at the same time when she was younger.]] Also, if that had been the case, the revolution would have taken place much earlier, giving the new regime more time for state building.
** Alternatively, Coin was a parent whose child was reaped and was killed in the Games. Her revenge is directed at the prominent Capitol citizens with children, not the children themselves. You do it to my child and make me suffer, I do it to your child and make you suffer. Although how did she manage to escape District Two and make it all to Thirteen, eventually becoming its leader?
*** Given that she shows both great intelligence and large amounts of ruthlessness, I always figured that she would have figured out how to escape ''somehow''. But your hypothesis is also very intriguing.
[[WMG: Coin is a communist.]]
I mean, think about it...
[[WMG: Snow LIED]]
This Troper does not think that District Thirteen pulled a GenghisGambit, but the Capitol made it look like they did. From the beginning: Snow promised Katniss he would not lie to her. But given the sort of character he is, he never intended to keep that promise. But Katniss thinks he'll keep his word. So when he knows he realizes he's toast, he decides to bring Coin and her regime down with him. First, he sends out a Capitol helicopter to bomb the children and medics. Then, when Katniss talks to him, he tells her that it was the rebels impersonating the Capitol. That's right, the Capitol's impersonating the rebels impersonating the Capitol. Now that Katniss "knows" that Coin was behind the bombing, she assassinates Coin instead.
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[[WMG: The death of Phillip Seymour Hoffman will result in Plutarch dying in someone else's place]]
No disrespect intended towards Hoffman nor Oliver Reed; may they rest in peace. Anyway, as the creators want Plutarch to be as authentic as possible for the finale, they'll probably pull a ''Film/{{Gladiator}}'' and have Plutarch go to the Capitol with the children and the medics in [[spoiler:Primrose]]'s place, resulting in [[spoiler:Primrose]] being SparedByTheAdaptation and Plutarch dying instead. The MoralEventHorizon crossing for [[spoiler:President Coin]] at that point will still be no less soft (as in lieu of [[spoiler:killing Katniss's sister]], she still ends up betraying a longtime ally of theirs) and will in fact hit harder since up to that point in the films she's shown to have been a more sympathetic character than in the books.
No disrespect intended towards Hoffman nor Oliver Reed; may they rest in peace. Anyway, as the creators want Plutarch to be as authentic as possible for the finale, they'll probably pull a ''Film/{{Gladiator}}'' and have Plutarch go to the Capitol with the children and the medics in [[spoiler:Primrose]]'s place, resulting in [[spoiler:Primrose]] being SparedByTheAdaptation and Plutarch dying instead. The MoralEventHorizon crossing for [[spoiler:President Coin]] at that point will still be no less soft (as in lieu of [[spoiler:killing Katniss's sister]], she still ends up betraying a longtime ally of theirs) and will in fact hit harder since up to that point in the films she's shown to have been a more sympathetic character than in the books.
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No disrespect intended towards Hoffman nor Oliver Reed; may they rest in peace. Anyway, as the creators want Plutarch to be as authentic as possible for the finale, they'll probably pull a ''Film/{{Gladiator}}'' and have Plutarch go to the Capitol with the children and the medics in [[spoiler:Primrose]]'s place, resulting in [[spoiler:Primrose]] being SparedByTheAdaptation and Plutarch dying instead. The MoralEventHorizon crossing for [[spoiler:President Coin]] at that point will still be no less soft (as in lieu of [[spoiler:killing Katniss's sister]], she still ends up betraying a longtime ally of theirs) and will in fact hit harder since up to that point in the films she's shown to have been a more sympathetic character than in the books.
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[[WMG: In the movie-verse (and possibly books as well) Katniss and Peeta have three children.]]
In the book epilogue Katniss and Peeta have a daughter old enough to go to school and a toddler son. The movie ends with Peeta playing with a little boy and Katniss cradling a baby, suggesting that they either have two sons or that the ages of their children are reversed. Unless of course the movie epilogue takes place later than the book epilogue, at a point in time where they've had a third child. Their daughter is either at school or simply off-camera while Peeta plays with their son and Katniss holds the third baby.
[[WMG: Katniss and Peeta's children are named after their dead loved ones.]]
Their daughter would be named either [[spoiler:Primrose or Rue]], and their son either [[spoiler:Finnick or Cinna]].
In the book epilogue Katniss and Peeta have a daughter old enough to go to school and a toddler son. The movie ends with Peeta playing with a little boy and Katniss cradling a baby, suggesting that they either have two sons or that the ages of their children are reversed. Unless of course the movie epilogue takes place later than the book epilogue, at a point in time where they've had a third child. Their daughter is either at school or simply off-camera while Peeta plays with their son and Katniss holds the third baby.
[[WMG: Katniss and Peeta's children are named after their dead loved ones.]]
Their daughter would be named either [[spoiler:Primrose or Rue]], and their son either [[spoiler:Finnick or Cinna]].
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[[WMG: In The third movie the District 5 rebels didn’t die when the dam burst.]]
* Practically every mention of them on TV tropes refers to their attack as a SuicideMission, but they they seemed to be setting timers on the explosives, and did bother to run afterwards, so it’s fairly possible there was a short TimeSkip between them vanishing into the fog and the explosion, in which time they got clear.
* Practically every mention of them on TV tropes refers to their attack as a SuicideMission, but they they seemed to be setting timers on the explosives, and did bother to run afterwards, so it’s fairly possible there was a short TimeSkip between them vanishing into the fog and the explosion, in which time they got clear.
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WildMassGuessing for ''TheBalladOfSongbirdsAndSnakes'' can be found [[WMG/TheBalladOfSongbirdsAndSnakes here]].
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Those were made for more than giving the location for the tributes, they also act as a sort of life detector for the players. Once inserted into the body, the tracker can check heart rate, or lack thereof, changes in temperature, body chemicals, etc and would notify the Gamemakers when a tribute dies.
[[WMG:Lucy Gray died in the forest, and Maude Ivory is Katniss's grandmother.]]
Throughout the book, Lucy Gray points out that she's still alive and hasn't lost the games yet by telling Snow that "it's not over until the mockingjay sings." Well, the mockingjays do sing, and she disappears. She's a proponent of honesty, and if she'd suspected Snow was the reason Sejanus was hanged, she would have confronted him, not run away. She didn't leave the scarf and the snake as a trap, she lost them in a struggle with whoever the mayor sent after her. The mockingjays also follow a pattern of repeating last words, so that's what her song could have been. Maude Ivory never forgets a song, and was fond of the hanging tree, so she taught it to her son. The timeline also makes more sense -- she was younger, and could more plausibly have been Katniss's father's mother than Lucy Grays.
[[WMG: Tigris Snow and Tigris the disgraced stylist are the same person.]]
Tigris Snow and Tigris the Disgraced Stylist both work in fashion and eat their meat raw. They end the prequel on good terms but 65 years is a long time. Tigris was stopped from participating in the games ten years prior to Katniss’s first games - the one Finnick won. We know, or at least can guess from implication in Ballad, that Tigris was reduced to sex work at a young age to keep food on the table. She may well have turned on her cold blooded tyrannical reptile of a cousin after finding out what was being done to Finnick, and been hidden from the public afterward, with the excuse of one too many surgeries. It’s also possible she actually was cast out for a few too many surgeries to protect Snow’s image, and is after revenge on him for abandoning her after all she did to watch his back.
[[WMG:Lucy Gray died in the forest, and Maude Ivory is Katniss's grandmother.]]
Throughout the book, Lucy Gray points out that she's still alive and hasn't lost the games yet by telling Snow that "it's not over until the mockingjay sings." Well, the mockingjays do sing, and she disappears. She's a proponent of honesty, and if she'd suspected Snow was the reason Sejanus was hanged, she would have confronted him, not run away. She didn't leave the scarf and the snake as a trap, she lost them in a struggle with whoever the mayor sent after her. The mockingjays also follow a pattern of repeating last words, so that's what her song could have been. Maude Ivory never forgets a song, and was fond of the hanging tree, so she taught it to her son. The timeline also makes more sense -- she was younger, and could more plausibly have been Katniss's father's mother than Lucy Grays.
[[WMG: Tigris Snow and Tigris the disgraced stylist are the same person.]]
Tigris Snow and Tigris the Disgraced Stylist both work in fashion and eat their meat raw. They end the prequel on good terms but 65 years is a long time. Tigris was stopped from participating in the games ten years prior to Katniss’s first games - the one Finnick won. We know, or at least can guess from implication in Ballad, that Tigris was reduced to sex work at a young age to keep food on the table. She may well have turned on her cold blooded tyrannical reptile of a cousin after finding out what was being done to Finnick, and been hidden from the public afterward, with the excuse of one too many surgeries. It’s also possible she actually was cast out for a few too many surgeries to protect Snow’s image, and is after revenge on him for abandoning her after all she did to watch his back.
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Those were made for more than giving the location for the tributes, they also act as a sort of life detector for the players. Once inserted into the body, the tracker can check heart rate, or lack thereof, changes in temperature, body chemicals, etc and would notify the Gamemakers when a tribute dies.
[[WMG:Lucy Gray died in the forest, and Maude Ivory is Katniss's grandmother.]]
Throughout the book, Lucy Gray points out that she's still alive and hasn't lost the games yet by telling Snow that "it's not over until the mockingjay sings." Well, the mockingjays do sing, and she disappears. She's a proponent of honesty, and if she'd suspected Snow was the reason Sejanus was hanged, she would have confronted him, not run away. She didn't leave the scarf and the snake as a trap, she lost them in a struggle with whoever the mayor sent after her. The mockingjays also follow a pattern of repeating last words, so that's what her song could have been. Maude Ivory never forgets a song, and was fond of the hanging tree, so she taught it to her son. The timeline also makes more sense -- she was younger, and could more plausibly have been Katniss's father's mother than Lucy Grays.
[[WMG: Tigris Snow and Tigris the disgraced stylist are the same person.]]
Tigris Snow and Tigris the Disgraced Stylist both work in fashion and eat their meat raw. They end the prequel on good terms but 65 years is a long time. Tigris was stopped from participating in the games ten years prior to Katniss’s first games - the one Finnick won. We know, or at least can guess from implication in Ballad, that Tigris was reduced to sex work at a young age to keep food on the table. She may well have turned on her cold blooded tyrannical reptile of a cousin after finding out what was being done to Finnick, and been hidden from the public afterward, with the excuse of one too many surgeries. It’s also possible she actually was cast out for a few too many surgeries to protect Snow’s image, and is after revenge on him for abandoning her after all she did to watch his back.dies.
[[WMG:Lucy Gray died in the forest, and Maude Ivory is Katniss's grandmother.]]
Throughout the book, Lucy Gray points out that she's still alive and hasn't lost the games yet by telling Snow that "it's not over until the mockingjay sings." Well, the mockingjays do sing, and she disappears. She's a proponent of honesty, and if she'd suspected Snow was the reason Sejanus was hanged, she would have confronted him, not run away. She didn't leave the scarf and the snake as a trap, she lost them in a struggle with whoever the mayor sent after her. The mockingjays also follow a pattern of repeating last words, so that's what her song could have been. Maude Ivory never forgets a song, and was fond of the hanging tree, so she taught it to her son. The timeline also makes more sense -- she was younger, and could more plausibly have been Katniss's father's mother than Lucy Grays.
[[WMG: Tigris Snow and Tigris the disgraced stylist are the same person.]]
Tigris Snow and Tigris the Disgraced Stylist both work in fashion and eat their meat raw. They end the prequel on good terms but 65 years is a long time. Tigris was stopped from participating in the games ten years prior to Katniss’s first games - the one Finnick won. We know, or at least can guess from implication in Ballad, that Tigris was reduced to sex work at a young age to keep food on the table. She may well have turned on her cold blooded tyrannical reptile of a cousin after finding out what was being done to Finnick, and been hidden from the public afterward, with the excuse of one too many surgeries. It’s also possible she actually was cast out for a few too many surgeries to protect Snow’s image, and is after revenge on him for abandoning her after all she did to watch his back.
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WildMassGuessing for ''TheBalladOfSongbirdsAndSnakes'' can be found [[WMG/TheBalladOfSongbirdsAndSnakes here]].
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[WMG: The trackers the tributes were given in the arena]
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*** Not to mention she pretty much states outright that the makeup and strange hair colors sported by the Capitol stylists pushed them so far into the UncannyValley that she had a hard time even thinking of them as human, and compared them instead to "oddly-colored birds".
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*** Not to mention she pretty much states outright that the makeup themakeup and strange hair colors sported by the Capitol stylists pushed them so far into the UncannyValley that she had a hard time even thinking of them as human, and compared them instead to "oddly-colored birds".
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*** Paylor was from district 8 and was black. However, on the Hunger Games wiki most of the victors from 8 are fair-skinned, so according to the ethnic division theory it's possible but not fully supported. Also, district 8 was one of the most rebellious districts - I believe they were the first or among the first to revolt in the second rebellion, and it's highly possible the underground resistance group that orchestrated the rebel plot in Catching Fire originated there if not 13. All this supports why Cinna would be the only (shown) anti-Snow Capitol resident until the revelations at the start of Mockingjay.
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* Only because the publicity machine had been cranking for ''months'' and had just shifted into total-saturation high gear, has nobody called it TooSoon.
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* Only because the publicity machine had been cranking for ''months'' and had just shifted into total-saturation high gear, has nobody called it TooSoon.too soon.
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Those were made for more than giving the location for the tributes, they also act as a sort of life detector for the players. Once inserted into the body, the tracker can check heart rate, or lack thereof, changes in temperature, body chemicals, etc and would notify the Gamemakers when a tribute dies.
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Those were made for more than giving the location for the tributes, they also act as a sort of life detector for the players. Once inserted into the body, the tracker can check heart rate, or lack thereof, changes in temperature, body chemicals, etc and would notify the Gamemakers when a tribute dies.dies.
[[WMG:Lucy Gray died in the forest, and Maude Ivory is Katniss's grandmother.]]
Throughout the book, Lucy Gray points out that she's still alive and hasn't lost the games yet by telling Snow that "it's not over until the mockingjay sings." Well, the mockingjays do sing, and she disappears. She's a proponent of honesty, and if she'd suspected Snow was the reason Sejanus was hanged, she would have confronted him, not run away. She didn't leave the scarf and the snake as a trap, she lost them in a struggle with whoever the mayor sent after her. The mockingjays also follow a pattern of repeating last words, so that's what her song could have been. Maude Ivory never forgets a song, and was fond of the hanging tree, so she taught it to her son. The timeline also makes more sense -- she was younger, and could more plausibly have been Katniss's father's mother than Lucy Gray.
[[WMG:Lucy Gray died in the forest, and Maude Ivory is Katniss's grandmother.]]
Throughout the book, Lucy Gray points out that she's still alive and hasn't lost the games yet by telling Snow that "it's not over until the mockingjay sings." Well, the mockingjays do sing, and she disappears. She's a proponent of honesty, and if she'd suspected Snow was the reason Sejanus was hanged, she would have confronted him, not run away. She didn't leave the scarf and the snake as a trap, she lost them in a struggle with whoever the mayor sent after her. The mockingjays also follow a pattern of repeating last words, so that's what her song could have been. Maude Ivory never forgets a song, and was fond of the hanging tree, so she taught it to her son. The timeline also makes more sense -- she was younger, and could more plausibly have been Katniss's father's mother than Lucy Gray.
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* A Quarter Quell where the tributes from each district act as {{TagTeams}}, with only one being allowed in the Arena at a time. The last team standing wins.
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* [[MissingThePoint There's death in Survivor?]]
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* [[MissingThePoint There's death in Survivor?]]Survivor?
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* Practically every mention of them on TV tropes refers to their attack as a SuicideMission, but they they seemed to be setting timers on the explosives, and did bother to run afterwards, so it’s fairly possible there was a short TimeSkip between them vanishing into the fog and the explosion, in which time they got clear.
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* Practically every mention of them on TV tropes refers to their attack as a SuicideMission, but they they seemed to be setting timers on the explosives, and did bother to run afterwards, so it’s fairly possible there was a short TimeSkip between them vanishing into the fog and the explosion, in which time they got clear.clear.
[WMG: The trackers the tributes were given in the arena]
Those were made for more than giving the location for the tributes, they also act as a sort of life detector for the players. Once inserted into the body, the tracker can check heart rate, or lack thereof, changes in temperature, body chemicals, etc and would notify the Gamemakers when a tribute dies.
[WMG: The trackers the tributes were given in the arena]
Those were made for more than giving the location for the tributes, they also act as a sort of life detector for the players. Once inserted into the body, the tracker can check heart rate, or lack thereof, changes in temperature, body chemicals, etc and would notify the Gamemakers when a tribute dies.
