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Not to say that Trixie wouldn't fight for her friends with every iota of will in her body, but she knows when to fold and ask for help, and she knows when to push even harder than she ever has before. Sort of [[GurrenLagann the Simon to Twilight's Kamina.]] This may make the case for her being an Element of Magic stronger, but she did tap into her Element as Magic, she would be conditionally choosing it instead of it choosing her.

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Not to say that Trixie wouldn't fight for her friends with every iota of will in her body, but she knows when to fold and ask for help, and she knows when to push even harder than she ever has before. Sort of [[GurrenLagann [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann the Simon to Twilight's Kamina.]] This may make the case for her being an Element of Magic stronger, but she did tap into her Element as Magic, she would be conditionally choosing it instead of it choosing her.
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** Considering [[LikeABadassOutOfHell what happened last time she died]], that probably won't work out nearly as well as Discord expects it to.

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** Considering [[LikeABadassOutOfHell what happened last time she died]], died, that probably won't work out nearly as well as Discord expects it to.
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*[[spoiler:CONFIRMED]]



[[WMG: Princess Gaia has free reign rules over the Everfree Forest]]
Given that Sunnytown is within vicinity of the forest, and that Flutter-, ahem, Princess Gaia, is bent on seeing to it that the town is freed of their curse, this is very probable.
That, and also possibly owning The Castle of the Two Sisters might result in giving her closure to her time as Nightmare Whisper.


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[[WMG: Princess Gaia has free will reign rules over the Everfree Forest]]
Given that Sunnytown is within vicinity of the forest, and that Flutter-, ahem, Princess Gaia, is bent on seeing to it that the town is freed of their curse, this is very probable.
probable. It is also important to note that the Castle of the Two Sisters/Gaia Castle, is one of the three [[PlaceofPower places of power]] where the nine leylines intersect. That, and also possibly owning The Castle of the Two Sisters might result in giving her closure to her time as Nightmare Whisper.

Whisper.


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*[[spoiler: Confirmed at the end of the Wedding Arc.]]
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* Daint ("Light and slim", FailOSuckyName and loaded with UnfortunateImplications, specifically SissyVillain and BuryYourGays. Very unlikely)

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* Daint ("Light and slim", FailOSuckyName UnfortunateName and loaded with UnfortunateImplications, specifically SissyVillain and BuryYourGays. Very unlikely)
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\n\n[[WMG: Princess Gaia has free reign rules over the Everfree Forest]]
Given that Sunnytown is within vicinity of the forest, and that Flutter-, ahem, Princess Gaia, is bent on seeing to it that the town is freed of their curse, this is very probable.
That, and also possibly owning The Castle of the Two Sisters might result in giving her closure to her time as Nightmare Whisper.

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Plus, the fight could be personal as his evil plan with the fog seems to be a TakeThat towards [[spoiler:Princess Gaia.]]




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\n[[WMG:Princes Gaia does battle with Discord]]
Seeing that Princess Gaia is of nature and creation, and Discord is of chaos (and destruction), it would seem like the perfect yin and yang fight.
Plus, the fight could be personal as his evil plan with the fog seems to be a TakeThat towards [[spoiler:Princess Gaia.]]



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\n\n[[WMG: Nyarlathotrot will betray Discord during the finale arc]]
He's very clearly a nasty dude far worse than Discord. And not only that, but this betrayal will lead to a HeelFaceTurn from Discord after Fluttershy (and, reluctantly, Fluttercruel) actually comfort him after he's betrayed.


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* Alternatively they do survive but are completely broken by the experience of 1000 years as {{Complete Monster}}s.

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Considering the fact that Discord has already become a {{Complete Monster}} in the main timeline, this already seems to be confirmed beyond any shadow of a doubt.

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Considering the fact that Discord has already become a {{Complete Monster}} Complete Monster in the main timeline, this already seems to be confirmed beyond any shadow of a doubt.
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* I dunno, it's gonna be really hard to pull off something like this. This Discord already reached the CompleteMonster rank, so as readers, already that's one strike against potential redemption. Second, we have had quite a few different characters redeemed, but imagine how hard it will be to get a Draquonus who not only killed his own family and helped ignite a war of the gods and rubbed it in Celestia's face, but also proved unrepentant even after years of just doing Chaos, so he's not exactly bound to get bored of Chaotic evil. Further, notice how he keeps railing against any memory of Love, and since in so many of these situations LoveRedeems, this is gonna be a long-shot indeed.

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* I dunno, it's gonna be really hard to pull off something like this. This Discord already reached the CompleteMonster Complete Monster rank, so as readers, already that's one strike against potential redemption. Second, we have had quite a few different characters redeemed, but imagine how hard it will be to get a Draquonus who not only killed his own family and helped ignite a war of the gods and rubbed it in Celestia's face, but also proved unrepentant even after years of just doing Chaos, so he's not exactly bound to get bored of Chaotic evil. Further, notice how he keeps railing against any memory of Love, and since in so many of these situations LoveRedeems, this is gonna be a long-shot indeed.
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Return to the main page [[Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries here]].

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\n[[WMG:Twilight will die during the FinalBattle, but will [[CameBackStrong Come Back Strong]]]]
Building off the theory above that Umbra Breeze is Nyarlathotrot, he knows that Twilight has the potential to become Amicitia, and is thus working with Discord only so that he can assure she never achieves her Concept. During the fighting, he'll kill her, but this will end up [[NiceJobFixingItVillain backfiring on him]] -- it's been hinted throughout the series that Twilight is the foretold "only one to defeat death"; she'll refuse to pass on and leave her friend vulnerable, so will fight off Mortis to keep him from taking her, ultimately managing to somehow beat him. As a result, not only will she resurrect, but she'll be rendered immortal. So, while she might not become Amicitia, she'll still become strong enough to defeat Discord and Nyarlathotrot.


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[[WMG:Umbra Breeze's true identity is...]]
Nyarlathotrot, Discord's cousin who once lost against Amicitia and was forced to accept that he had to stay out of her sphere of influence. Now that the Alicorn is gone he is back to corrupt the world she sacrificed herself for into a miserable tragedy.


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[[WMG: After Chrysalis' Plan fails...]]
she's going to try to [[spoiler: reunite with Cadance]] where they gonna have a [[Main/BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind Fight]]. Thanks to the Love of all the Ponies [[spoiler: Cadance]] wins and gets all her Memories back.
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[[WMG:Diamond Tiara will play a crucial role in defeating Discord]]
After being purified by the Elements of Harmony [[spoiler:she becomes the Alicorn of Family, which not only makes her immune to almost all of Discords Power (thanks to the Fact that they are related) but also gives her the Power to bring Discords good Half back]]
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* Jossed. [[spoiler: It was actually Trixie in disguise.]]

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* In addition, Discord [[spoiler:already escaped his prison and has been confirmed by WordOfGod to be the FinalBoss, meaning unless he's turned back to stone, the episode couldn't happen.]]

[[WMG:Rainbow Falls would happen entirely differently in this universe]]
Rainbow Dash learning to make SadisticChoices is a lesson she already learned. So if it did come to choosing between teams, she'd not hesitate to make the right choice. Also, Spitfire in this verse has already gotten passed her feelings inadequacy at being unable to be the hero in this verse, removing the one motivation that could have worked for the character in that episode. So while Spitfire might still offer Rainbow to fly with Cloudsdale, she'd not be so focused on winning she'd forget her friends.

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* Comfirmed...sort of. [[spoiler:Makarov does reapppear, in a {{Flashback}} to his Changeling genocide. Also, in a way, he's the BiggerBad of the arc, as his actions were what let Chrysalis [[PeggySue see the heart world and fix the flaws in her plans.

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* Comfirmed...sort of. [[spoiler:Makarov does reapppear, in a {{Flashback}} to his Changeling genocide. Also, in a way, he's the BiggerBad of the arc, as his actions were what let Chrysalis [[PeggySue see the heart world Heart World and fix the flaws in her plans.
plans]]]].

[[WMG: Cobweb is a NotQuiteDead Queen Cocoon]]
First of all, with a name like that she ''has'' to be a Changeling (something both Moth and Rarity have noted but kept to themselves). Secondly, the brief look into her POV shows she's definitely malevolent, but no so much towards the ponies as much as she seems to be using them to reach her real target. My bet, Cocoon somehow survived Chrysalis' coup and has been plotting her revenge ever since, and is planning to use Chrysalis' own plan against her.



[[WMG: Strife and Mortis were once part of a political Marriage]]

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[[WMG: Strife and Mortis were once part of a political Marriage]]marriage]]
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** In a way, confirmed, but possibly inverted. [[spoiler:While the break presumably allowed Chrysalis to deviate from the actions [[PeggySue she saw from the heart world]] and change her plans, it may also be her undoing as it's why she was taken offguard by things that didn't happen there, such as Blueblood finding Cadence and the Hoofmaidens saving Moondancer.]]




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* Comfirmed...sort of. [[spoiler:Makarov does reapppear, in a {{Flashback}} to his Changeling genocide. Also, in a way, he's the BiggerBad of the arc, as his actions were what let Chrysalis [[PeggySue see the heart world and fix the flaws in her plans.
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It will turn out that, by both breaking from the heart world AND Shining and Cadence defeating the wolf, Chrysalis will have been able to get away with her more egregious acts that defied the timeline. NiceJobBreakingItHero.

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It will turn out that, by both breaking from the heart world AND Shining and Cadence defeating the wolf, Chrysalis will have been able to get away with her more egregious acts that defied the timeline. timeline... if, in fact, by being one of Pandora's creations she isn't already identical in nature to Makarov as it is! NiceJobBreakingItHero.



* Possibly jossed... Possibly not, given that Chrysalis is ''acting a lot like Makarov was''...

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* Possibly jossed... Possibly not, given that Chrysalis is ''acting a lot like Makarov was''...
was'' and that they have the same origin. [[ParanoiaFuel They could just as easily have the same power]]...
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* Jossed, it's apparently just going to keep going and going...




[[WMG: Makarov will return in the Royal Wedding arc.]]
Okay, stick with me while I lay this out. Since we all know we haven't seen the last of Makarov in Shining Armor's arc, it stands to reason he'll try some more to capture or kill him. My theory is, he'll try repeatedly, causing him to start suffering SanitySlippage with each failure. This, combined with the increasing unstable political situation caused by his attempts, will lead to the Hooviet leadership (whoever operates under the Father Deer figurehead) to attempt to relieve Makarov of command at the end of the arc, causing him to go [[RenegadeRussian rogue]]. Then at some point between the end of this arc and the Royal Wedding arc, he'll run into Chrysalis, who'll talk him into an [[VillainTeamUp alliance]], helping her impersonate Cadence in exchange for another chance at revenge against Shining ''and'' the opportunity to weaken Equestria from within and open it up for a Hooviet invasion, granting him a chance to reclaim his position. Who'll double cross who first is up to debate.
* Alternately, they won't team up, but Chrysalis will be DiscOneFinalBoss to Makarov, by benefit of Applejack's [[LivingLieDetector Truth vision]] exposing Chrysalis early on, leaving the rest of the arc to Makarov.

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\n[[WMG: Makarov will return in the Royal Wedding arc.]]\nOkay, stick with me while I lay this out. Since we all know we haven't seen the last * The writer had heard of Makarov in Shining Armor's arc, it stands to reason he'll try some more to capture or kill him. My theory is, he'll try repeatedly, causing him to start suffering SanitySlippage with each failure. This, combined with the increasing unstable political situation caused by his attempts, will lead to the Hooviet leadership (whoever operates under the Father Deer figurehead) to attempt to relieve Makarov of command at the end of the arc, causing him to go [[RenegadeRussian rogue]]. Then at some point between the end of this arc and the Royal Wedding arc, he'll run into Chrysalis, who'll talk him into an [[VillainTeamUp alliance]], helping her impersonate Cadence in exchange - he just didn't care for another chance at revenge against Shining ''and'' the opportunity to weaken Equestria from within and open it up for a Hooviet invasion, granting him a chance to reclaim his position. Who'll double cross who first is up to debate.
* Alternately, they won't team up, but Chrysalis will be DiscOneFinalBoss to Makarov, by benefit of Applejack's [[LivingLieDetector Truth vision]] exposing Chrysalis early on, leaving the rest of the arc to Makarov.
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* It will turn out that, by both breaking from the heart world AND Shining and Cadence defeating the wolf, Chrysalis will have been able to get away with her more egregious acts that defied the timeline. NiceJobBreakingItHero.

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* [[WMG: The ponies have been hoist by their own petard.]]
It will turn out that, by both breaking from the heart world AND Shining and Cadence defeating the wolf, Chrysalis will have been able to get away with her more egregious acts that defied the timeline. NiceJobBreakingItHero.
NiceJobBreakingItHero.

[[WMG: Makarov will return in the Royal Wedding arc.]]
Okay, stick with me while I lay this out. Since we all know we haven't seen the last of Makarov in Shining Armor's arc, it stands to reason he'll try some more to capture or kill him. My theory is, he'll try repeatedly, causing him to start suffering SanitySlippage with each failure. This, combined with the increasing unstable political situation caused by his attempts, will lead to the Hooviet leadership (whoever operates under the Father Deer figurehead) to attempt to relieve Makarov of command at the end of the arc, causing him to go [[RenegadeRussian rogue]]. Then at some point between the end of this arc and the Royal Wedding arc, he'll run into Chrysalis, who'll talk him into an [[VillainTeamUp alliance]], helping her impersonate Cadence in exchange for another chance at revenge against Shining ''and'' the opportunity to weaken Equestria from within and open it up for a Hooviet invasion, granting him a chance to reclaim his position. Who'll double cross who first is up to debate.
* Alternately, they won't team up, but Chrysalis will be DiscOneFinalBoss to Makarov, by benefit of Applejack's [[LivingLieDetector Truth vision]] exposing Chrysalis early on, leaving the rest of the arc to Makarov.
* Possibly jossed... Possibly not, given that Chrysalis is ''acting a lot like Makarov was''...
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*Virtually all of these have been effectively jossed by the fact Alexwarlorn has no plans to continue the POV series into Season 3, as well as a few other jossings in other cases...




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[[WMG: If there's a Season Three in this storyline, things are going to be very different]]
So much of it either can't happen or will need to shift to fix itself now the storyline is a bonafide AU, no longer following the heart world. And this is a good thing, for there will be a massive amount of creativity required to work in any canon events. And the alternatives? [[OriginalFlavor Completely new ideas]].

Fitting given the general themes of freedom this fic has had underlying that the fic itself can now be completely free to go whatever way it wishes to go. And that simply means that readers can't know what to expect. And no matter where you stand on season three, I think it's fair to say that's an exciting prospect for all us shadows that watch, and those of us that make.

And are aware of the potential excitement, of course.

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\n[[WMG: If there's a Season Three in this storyline, things are going to be very different]]\nSo much of it either can't happen or will need to shift to fix itself now the storyline is a bonafide AU, no longer following the heart world. And this is a good thing, for there will be a massive amount of creativity required to work in any canon events. And the alternatives? [[OriginalFlavor Completely new ideas]].\n\nFitting given the general themes of freedom this fic has had underlying that the fic itself can now be completely free to go whatever way it wishes to go. And that simply means that readers can't know what to expect. And no matter where you stand on season three, I think it's fair to say that's an exciting prospect for all us shadows that watch, and those of us that make.\n\nAnd are aware of the potential excitement, of course. \n*Technically correct.




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* Deist ("The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation." Considering this guy was the next powerful after his folks and considering his views, this could be alongside Doubt in terms of possibility.)
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* Doubt ("To disbelieve, to be a heretic, infidel, atheist", it's the seventh Element of Chaos, counterpart to Trust, and an awesome reference to [[Fanfic/FaithAndDoubt]]. The one concept that would abhor Natural Law, possibly due to being the Concept of Atheism, and a very good indicator of Havoc's view about his son. ''Extremely likely.''

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* Doubt ("To disbelieve, to be a heretic, infidel, atheist", it's the seventh Element of Chaos, counterpart to Trust, and an awesome reference to [[Fanfic/FaithAndDoubt]].Fanfic/FaithAndDoubt. The one concept that would abhor Natural Law, possibly due to being the Concept of Atheism, and a very good indicator of Havoc's view about his son. ''Extremely likely.''
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D___t: Doubt. That which opposes Heaven (and Hell).
Strife: Cruelty. Natural selection is cruel.
Anarchy: Deception. The one Draconequus who has gotten away with lying to his Parents, isn't that right ________ ?
Destruction: Rage. When he [[UnstoppableRage loses]] [[TheBerserker control]]... things tend to explode.
Pandora: Desire. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin So says the birth certificate.]]
Discord: Tragedy. His entire existence is best described as pain & failure. He's had more friends than any other Concept, but he's also lost more friends than any other Concept.

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* D___t: Doubt. That which opposes Heaven (and Hell).
* Strife: Cruelty. Natural selection is cruel.
* Anarchy: Deception. The one Draconequus who has gotten away with lying to his Parents, isn't that right ________ ?
* Destruction: Rage. When he [[UnstoppableRage loses]] [[TheBerserker control]]... things tend to explode.
* Pandora: Desire. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin So says the birth certificate.]]
* Discord: Tragedy. His entire existence is best described as pain & failure. He's had more friends than any other Concept, but he's also lost more friends than any other Concept.



Rancor: Betrayal. Which makes you wonder...

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* Daunt ("To intimidate", an AwesomeMcCoolName for Havoc Jr., but very generic, and thus very unlikely)
* Daint ("Light and slim", FailOSuckyName and loaded with UnfortunateImplications, specifically SissyVillain and BuryYourGays. Very unlikely)
* Doubt ("To disbelieve, to be a heretic, infidel, atheist", it's the seventh Element of Chaos, counterpart to Trust, and an awesome reference to [[Fanfic/FaithAndDoubt]]. The one concept that would abhor Natural Law, possibly due to being the Concept of Atheism, and a very good indicator of Havoc's view about his son. ''Extremely likely.''

[[WMG: Each Element of Chaos represents one of the Draconequi.]]

D___t: Doubt. That which opposes Heaven (and Hell).
Strife: Cruelty. Natural selection is cruel.
Anarchy: Deception. The one Draconequus who has gotten away with lying to his Parents, isn't that right ________ ?
Destruction: Rage. When he [[UnstoppableRage loses]] [[TheBerserker control]]... things tend to explode.
Pandora: Desire. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin So says the birth certificate.]]
Discord: Tragedy. His entire existence is best described as pain & failure. He's had more friends than any other Concept, but he's also lost more friends than any other Concept.

Of course, that only leaves:

Rancor: Betrayal. Which makes you wonder...

It really does explain why the Elements of Chaos grant [[FromASingleCell super-regeneration]], a universal Draconequus ability.
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[[WMG: The Hooviets have their own Elements of Harmony team.]]

One that is, surprisingly, NotSoDifferent from the Mane Six.

The names of Elements they represent have undergone a slight cultural (and lingual) translation, each corresponding to the closest Hooviet virtue(s).

Unity (Magic): Represented by the granddaughter of the Supreme Marshal of the Hooviet Union. She came up with the idea of forming a team after becoming enamoured with the tale of six heroes saving the day from Nightmare Moon. Hopelessly naive, having been pampered her entire life. Conversable in Equestrian.

Selflessness/Sacrifice (Generosity): A doe from an upper-middle class family, [[DefectorFromDecadence of whom she estranged herself from]] as the result of (heated) disagreements over the state of socioeconomic equality in the Hooviet Union. Radical, outspoken and quick to point out injustice, she's avoided the usual fate of those like her soley by virtue of being the same race as the ruling caste, but even if that weren't the case, she's prepared to give up a lot more to help those with even less.

Duty/Obedience (Loyalty): A perpetually conflicted griffoness who recognizes the failings of her government, and even the schism between what the group believes their purpose to be, and their actual purpose. She carries on only out of a sense of obligation, to the comrades who depend on her, and because she's also aware that 1) there aren't many alternatives, 2) most of them are much, much worse.

Sincerity (Kindness): A very intelligent griffoness who always speaks formally, but only out of respect and sincerity. She understands (all too well) that occasionally, one must be CruelToBeKind, and does not hesitate when she identifies those occasions. After all, she believes in the Greater Good, and she is supposed to be sincere, isn't she? Fluent in Equestrian.

Honor/Humility (Honesty): A hard-working jenny, her perseverance under challenging circumstances and the care she has for her fellow comrades contrast an unquestioned belief in the leadership and doctrines of her country. She is the model citizen of the Hooviet Union: Someone who sees no reason to lie, only speaking of what she believes to be the truth. She tends to be very modest in regard to her own work, while vicariously parroting the official line. In other words, she's an [[TheExpy Expy]] of Boxer from AnimalFarm.

Optimism/Contentment (Laughter): A young immigrant from Zebrafrica who's lived most of her life under war, disease, slavery and famine. She looks forward to living in the Hooviet Union, which has professed itself to be a peaceful and equal society. Can speak a bit of Equestrian.

True to Hooviet operating procedure, they were semi-randomly cobbled together in hopes of recreating even a fraction of the essence of the Elements of Harmony.

And hilariously enough, they do. Though united by chance and initially as miscible as water and fluorine, with time, their comradery grows into what may save the Hooviet Union... or destroy it.

Yes, their primary purpose is to serve as a propaganda tool, a symbol to unify the country and reduce social unrest (AKA promote harmony), but isn't that the point of every national team in existence?

Whether Shining and the Misfits will ever encounter them, well, the Hooviet Union is a very large place with very many denizens/citizens.

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