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Perhaps Julian Chase was raised in [[Film/FruitvaleStation Oakland]]. Or his CQC score is high, but focuses mostly on [[Film/{{Creed}} boxing]]. Or he hates [[Film/FantasticFour2015 fire]] and [[Film/{{Chronicle}} telekenisis]]. Heck, maybe his casual clothing has a tendency to be [[Film/BlackPanther2018 black and yellow/gold]].

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Perhaps Julian Chase was raised in [[Film/FruitvaleStation Oakland]]. Or his CQC score is high, but focuses mostly on [[Film/{{Creed}} [[Film/Creed2015 boxing]]. Or he hates [[Film/FantasticFour2015 fire]] and [[Film/{{Chronicle}} telekenisis]]. Heck, maybe his casual clothing has a tendency to be [[Film/BlackPanther2018 black and yellow/gold]].
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* [[spoiler:Numerous times, the Ship of Theseus thought experiment appears in the background - the question of if you replace every part of an object, is it still the same object? The Chase working with the gen:LOCK team is going to be facing that question, he's a replacement for every part of the 'original' Chase's mind, so [[CloningBlues does that make him less valid than the original]], and that only Nemesis should be considered ''truly'' Chase, or does the fact that, copy or not, he is everything Chase was before that turning point, just as much as the Nemesis, make him equally as valid an instance of Chase as the original uploaded version? The resolution to that grapple with identity will be that, he ''is'' Chase, and that it doesn't matter when he got his start, he's still the same man, less a copy, more a fork in the road.]]

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* [[spoiler:Numerous times, the Ship of Theseus thought experiment appears in the background - the question of if you replace every part of an object, is it still the same object? The Chase working with the gen:LOCK team is going to be facing that question, he's a replacement for every part of the 'original' Chase's mind, so [[CloningBlues does that make him less valid than the original]], original, and that only Nemesis should be considered ''truly'' Chase, or does the fact that, copy or not, he is everything Chase was before that turning point, just as much as the Nemesis, make him equally as valid an instance of Chase as the original uploaded version? The resolution to that grapple with identity will be that, he ''is'' Chase, and that it doesn't matter when he got his start, he's still the same man, less a copy, more a fork in the road.]]
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At the end of the character reveal trailer that introduced him and Romanyszyn, the camera zoomed in on his picture, which is noticeably darker than the others. Things like that don't happen unless there's a good reason, and given Rooster Teeth's [[Machinima/RedVsBlue history of introducing likable characters who turned out to be evil]] [[spoiler: (COUGH*Felix*COUGH)]], I wouldn't be that surprised.\\

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At the end of the character reveal trailer that introduced him and Romanyszyn, the camera zoomed in on his picture, which is noticeably darker than the others. Things like that don't happen unless there's a good reason, and given Rooster Teeth's [[Machinima/RedVsBlue [[WebAnimation/RedVsBlue history of introducing likable characters who turned out to be evil]] [[spoiler: (COUGH*Felix*COUGH)]], I wouldn't be that surprised.\\
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[[WMG: The state religion of The Union is the worship of [[{{WesternAnimation/Villainous}} Black Hat]].]]

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* Or it could be BlackAndGrayMorality. While the Polity's military may go to ends to protect cultural diversity, the Union have been shown to be much more ruthless to the point that they'd SinkTheLifeBoats and [[ObligatoryWarCrimeScene unleash nanomachines on a civilian population]].

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* Or it could be BlackAndGrayMorality. While the Polity's military may go to ends to protect cultural diversity, the Union have been shown to be much more ruthless to the point that they'd SinkTheLifeBoats and [[ObligatoryWarCrimeScene unleash nanomachines on a civilian population]].population.
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[[WMG: Crossover theory with {{Film/PacificRim}} - the same "plastic brain" required for the gen:LOCK program is the same requirement for solo-piloting a Jaegar.]]

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[[WMG: Crossover theory with {{Film/PacificRim}} {{Film/Pacific Rim}} - the same "plastic brain" required for the gen:LOCK program is the same requirement for solo-piloting a Jaegar.]]
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[[WMG: Crossover theory with PacificRim - the same "plastic brain" required for the gen:LOCK program is the same requirement for solo-piloting a Jaegar.

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[[WMG: Crossover theory with PacificRim - the same "plastic brain" required for the gen:LOCK program is the same requirement for solo-piloting a Jaegar.
* Both are one-in-a-million (or rarer) chances based on brains being able to handle the neural load of piloting a gigantic humanoid machine. Both are critical for surviving, as lacking either causes fatal brain damage.
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[[WMG: A Union agent will [[HeelFaceTurn defect and join gen:LOCK]].]]
The idea is that Union scientists, hackers, and neurosurgeons are working day and night to crack Dr. Weller's code to figure out what makes someone gen:LOCK compatible so they can mass produce more Union Holons. One of these people will crack the code and run a few tests with it. They'll discover that ''they'' are gen:LOCK compatible, and will panic and plan to flee the Union because they know that when the Union discovers this fact, they'll [[FateWorseThanDeath be turned into the next "Nemesis".]] The Union defector will seek asylum with the Polity and eventually be made part of gen:LOCK.
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* Alternatively, Sinclair is a ReverseMole; pretending to be the Union's spy within the program when he's actually playing them by giving intel to the Vanguard. This might be played further for drama when Sinclair has to defect to keep his cover

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* Alternatively, Sinclair is a ReverseMole; [[TheMole mole]]; pretending to be the Union's spy within the program when he's actually playing them by giving intel to the Vanguard. This might be played further for drama when Sinclair has to defect to keep his cover
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[[spoiler: I have a feeling that the Nemesis we encountered wasn’t the real one. My theory is that they have Chase’s original mind and Holon somewhere where they can mass produce copies of them. However, the process of copying a mind is something that they have a poor understanding of, and they come out fragmented. The reason they wanted Weller and another Holon was to figure out how to either Make better copies of Chase or so they can learn how to upload other pilots so that the can relying on glitchy copies.]]

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[[spoiler: I have a feeling that the Nemesis we encountered wasn’t the real one. My theory is that they have Chase’s original mind and Holon somewhere where they can mass produce mass-produce copies of them. However, the process of copying a mind is something that they have a poor understanding of, and they come out fragmented. The reason they wanted Weller and another Holon was to figure out how to either Make better copies of Chase or so they can learn how to upload other pilots so that the can relying on glitchy copies.]]



[[spoiler: Having been shown to be alive and hiding amongst the Union soldiers during a post credits scene, Sinclair will finally attempt to escape, only to be captured and brainwashed into replacing Nemesis.]]

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[[spoiler: Having been shown to be alive and hiding amongst the Union soldiers during a post credits post-credits scene, Sinclair will finally attempt to escape, only to be captured and brainwashed into replacing Nemesis.]]



Looking at the map of Union Vs Polity controlled territory it seemed odd the Union is so spread out, with no real connecting point or core territory , except there is a connecting point: the ocean, there is not a single union territory that is land locked, and in the first episode the behemoth comes from the ocean, notably a decent number of the neutral territorys are completely landlocked, because they arent directly threatened by the union

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Looking at the map of Union Vs Polity controlled territory it seemed odd the Union is so spread out, with no real connecting point or core territory , territory, except there is a connecting point: the ocean, there is not a single union territory that is land locked, landlocked, and in the first episode the behemoth comes from the ocean, notably a decent number of the neutral territorys territories are completely landlocked, landlocked because they arent aren't directly threatened by the union
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* This might be valid. One of the Union's controlled territory appears to be along the Niel river basion. Makes you wonder where they started.
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* More like SingleTargetSexuality/IfItsYouItsOkay - Japanese society isn't as heteronormative as American, and he doesn't show much interest in other guys present. As to his past - his profile mentions insubordination, which is much bigger no-no, and he's also a ClosetGeek (fan of Robo-Samurai, but insists on not reading manga) and has romantic side (whole guitar on the roof). Perhaps he hasn't heard that RealMenWearPink.

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* More like SingleTargetSexuality/IfItsYouItsOkay SingleTargetSexuality / IfItsYouItsOkay - Japanese society isn't as heteronormative as American, and he doesn't show much interest in other guys present. As to his past - his profile mentions insubordination, which is much bigger no-no, and he's also a ClosetGeek (fan of Robo-Samurai, but insists on not reading manga) and has romantic side (whole guitar on the roof). Perhaps he hasn't heard that RealMenWearPink.
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He's Japanese, whose culture is notorious for being reserved and having ValuesDissonance between older and younger generations, his personality is overly masculine, he's the only one to express confusion twoards Valentina, who is genderfluid and completely open about their sexuality, and he's extremely reluctant his teammates learning more about his past via the Holons' mindsharing abilities. With this many flags, I'd be more surprised to find out he ''wasn't''.

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He's Japanese, whose culture is notorious for being reserved and having ValuesDissonance between older and younger generations, his personality is overly masculine, he's the only one to express confusion twoards towards Valentina, who is genderfluid and completely open about their sexuality, and he's extremely reluctant his teammates learning more about his past via the Holons' mindsharing abilities. With this many flags, I'd be more surprised to find out he ''wasn't''.
* More like SingleTargetSexuality/IfItsYouItsOkay - Japanese society isn't as heteronormative as American, and he doesn't show much interest in other guys present. As to his past - his profile mentions insubordination, which is much bigger no-no, and he's also a ClosetGeek (fan of Robo-Samurai, but insists on not reading manga) and has romantic side (whole guitar on the roof). Perhaps he hasn't heard that RealMenWearPink.
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[[WMG: Union Nano-weapons have a similar effect to [[Anime/Gundam00 red GN particles.]]]]

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[[WMG: The Union are aliens]]
The reason we know absolutely nothing about the Union as of the end of season 1? To facilitate a reveal in season 2 or later that the Union is controlled by aliens. All the characters are well aware of this and see no need to mention it. They clearly have many sympathizers on Earth, entire countries in fact, but the reason we haven't seen any Union leadership--to freak us out when it's revealed they're aliens. Evidence: the Union are said to be incapable of innovation, yet their technology--Behemoths, nanotech--seems to be beyond what the Polity is capable of, gen:Lock notwithstanding. And, well, that's pretty much it for evidence, but why else would they leave the main antagonists such an unknown entity for the entire first season?
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Still intact, a clean original to [[spoiler: make more copies from]] and even still capable of [[spoiler: downloading back into his body since the cyberbrain is kept in standby mode like the spare unit the backup Chase was in before being downloaded into his body after the disastrous mission]]

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[[WMG: The Union still has [[spoiler: the original Chase]] on ice]]

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[[WMG: The Union are based in the ocean]]
Looking at the map of Union Vs Polity controlled territory it seemed odd the Union is so spread out, with no real connecting point or core territory , except there is a connecting point: the ocean, there is not a single union territory that is land locked, and in the first episode the behemoth comes from the ocean, notably a decent number of the neutral territorys are completely landlocked, because they arent directly threatened by the union

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* I doubt it's Yas since she seems to genuinely hate the Union, or Leon as he was just as surprised by the Holons as the others. But if there ''is'' another spy it would have to be someone who wasn't in the briefing room during Dr. Weller's explanation. After all, if they were then fake!Sinclair wouldn't have tried to pilot a Holon since he'd be aware he wasn't get:LOCK compatible.

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* I doubt it's Yas since she seems to genuinely hate the Union, or Leon as he was just as surprised by the Holons as the others. But if there ''is'' another spy it would have to be someone who wasn't in the briefing room during Dr. Weller's explanation. After all, if they were then fake!Sinclair wouldn't have tried to pilot a Holon since he'd be aware he wasn't get:LOCK gen:LOCK compatible.



* Another possibility, based on what we've now seen of the Nemesis mech and the theories regarding who/what it is; the information could be being leaked by Chase himself. The Nemesis seems to be parroting Chase, even referring to him as a "copy." What if the Union nano still in Chase is what allowed the Union to find out about the gen;LOCK program, and subsequently hack into the shared mindscape the pilots seem to have. This would explain their knowledge of the program and how they were able to build their own version of a holon, by creating a copy of Chases mind through this unknown link.

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* Another possibility, based on what we've now seen of the Nemesis mech and the theories regarding who/what it is; the information could be being leaked by Chase himself. The Nemesis seems to be parroting Chase, even referring to him as a "copy." What if the Union nano still in Chase is what allowed the Union to find out about the gen;LOCK gen:LOCK program, and subsequently hack into the shared mindscape the pilots seem to have. This would explain their knowledge of the program and how they were able to build their own version of a holon, by creating a copy of Chases Chase's mind through this unknown link.



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They are losing North America - they already lost the major industrial areas of East and Great Lakes - and they didn't seems to have any workable strategy to remedy that. They lost New York after rather limited action. Their hopes for Holons actually demonstrated their desperation - its the losing side that usually seek "wunderwaffe" as game-changing measure (like Germany in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII). They spend their best troops on low-value evacuation efforts, instead of saving them for any kind of push. And it doesn't seems that they implemented any kind of command economy to boost up production of military hardware.

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They are losing North America - they already lost the major industrial areas of East and Great Lakes - and they didn't seems to have any workable strategy to remedy that. They lost New York after rather limited action. Their hopes for Holons actually demonstrated their desperation - its the losing side that usually seek seeks "wunderwaffe" as a game-changing measure (like Germany in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII). They spend their best troops on low-value evacuation efforts, instead of saving them for any kind of push. And it doesn't seems seem that they implemented any kind of command economy to boost up the production of military hardware.



[[WMG: The Polity is the successor of the United Nations]]
I mean, they were using the old UN building in New York in the first episode, so it's definitely possible.



Yaz's declaration that it's "Not my Union" is similar to the "not my president" cry used by many on the left who feel alienated by the Trump presidency. The Union is also noted to be extremely hostile to LGBTQ rights, much in the same way the Trump administration has been accused of trying to roll back rights for the LGBTQ community. Furthermore,the Great Union of the Fourth Turning Republics references the Fourth Turning theory. This theory of human history has gained popularity on the American right in recent years, with a number of prominent Trump advisers, such as the infamous Steve Banon, subscribing to its teachings. The Union is also notably opposed by members of groups frequently at odds with the Trump administration; with gen:LOCK notably consisting entirely of people who are either minorities, immigrants, or LGBTQ.

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Yaz's declaration that it's "Not my Union" is similar to the "not my president" cry used by many on the left who feel alienated by the Trump presidency. The Union is also noted to be extremely hostile to LGBTQ rights, much in the same way the Trump administration has been accused of trying to roll back rights for the LGBTQ community. Furthermore,the Furthermore, the Great Union of the Fourth Turning Republics references the Fourth Turning theory. This theory of human history has gained popularity on the American right in recent years, with a number of prominent Trump advisers, such as the infamous Steve Banon, subscribing to its teachings. The Union is also notably opposed by members of groups frequently at odds with the Trump administration; with gen:LOCK notably consisting entirely of people who are either minorities, immigrants, or LGBTQ.



** Since Union is capable (and willing) to copy the electronic personality for use in multiple mecha units, it doesn't make sence for them to use child pilots at all.

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[[WMG: Citizens of the Union will take after the citizens of many real-life dictatorships]]
It's ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin. Since the Union pretty much has the hallmarks of dictatorships, the life of the average Union citizen... sucks, to put it bluntly. During season 2 Sinclair will likely run into citizens who will either: A) want to escape to the Polity with him (a la East German citizens durn the UsefulNotes/ColdWar), B) buy into the Union's propaganda and will alert the authorities about him, C) be apathetic at best to their life, or D) hide any "intellectuals" in their family to keep them safe.

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the gen:lock tech allows two minds to act as one and even share memorys, the potential danger of loss of identity is obvious not a problem when you share an identity already (assuming the original chase is not as corrupted as nemesis) allowing them to effectively become one person if they maintain permanent gen:lock, or they may decide they have developed enough to be there own person, and choose to be partners but ther merger is only temporary to pilot the holon, with them maintaining seperate identitys outside deployment

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the gen:lock tech allows two minds to act as one and even share memorys, the potential danger of loss of identity is obvious not a problem when you share an identity already (assuming the original chase is not as corrupted as nemesis) allowing them to effectively become one person if they maintain permanent gen:lock, or they may decide they have developed enough to be there own person, and choose to be partners but ther merger is only temporary to pilot the holon, with them maintaining seperate identitys separate identity's outside deployment
deployment, this might result in a fusion of the mechs as well, with main-chase controlling the mech while nemesis-chase controls a cloud of nanites

[[WMG: Val/entina will create a backup of themselves]]
Realising that they have a spare holon and how rare comptable pirates are gen:lock will make the decision to simply copy the minds they have(though entirely volontarily this time), and Val/entina would be the most obvious choice, as they have already stated they have dreamed of having a robot body, so the copy would be able to adjust to loss of flesh much better then most(though likely encouraging the team to develop a smaller body with "all its parts" as being 4 storys tall forever is likely not part of that dream) this will also allow us to have both Val and Valentina on screen together
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the gen:lock tech allows two minds to act as one and even share memorys, the potential danger of loss of identity is obvious not a problem when you share an identity already (assuming the original chase is not as corrupted as nemesis) allowing them to effectively become one person if they maintain permanent gen:lock, or they may decide they have developed enough to be there own person, and choose to be partners but ther merger is only temporary to pilot the holon, with them maintaining seperate identitys outside deployment
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** Since Union is capable (and willing) to copy the electronic personality for use in multiple mecha units, it doesn't make sence for them to use child pilots at all.

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** This specific point about Nemesis is Jossed. However, I do think the idea as a whole is generally quite possible.


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[[WMG: The Union will at some point deploy Holons driven by ChildSoldiers.]]
* Weller mentions that neuroplasticity is one of the key (if not '''the''' key) factors when looking for gen:LOCK compatibility. Under those circumstances, using younger children as pilots would actually make a certain amount of sense, since their brains are still growing and at their most adaptable. Naturally, Weller was too ethical to take this approach... but the Union doesn't seem to have any such limitations. So when they catch up with gen:LOCK technology, it won't take them long to go all Evangelion.
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