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[[WMG: Sam Vimes is being observed by the [[GreenLantern Green Lantern Corps]]. ]]

[[WMG: The Summoning Dark is the [[GreenLantern Red Lantern (Rage) Entity]]. ]]

* WMG/{{the Fifth Elephant}}

[[folder: The Wizards]]

[[WMG: Vetinari is a TimeLord.]]

No one's been a Time Lord yet on this page. Also, it would explain Fat!Vetinari of the first couple books. It's far from usual for a human being to go from really fat (I haven't read any of the books where he's described as such, but one of the Literature/{{Discworld}} pages on ThisWiki describes the Vetinari of the first couple books as outright obese) to gaunt. Perhaps the reason he's implied to have looked much the same as a teenager as he does now is that, like Romana, he has a pretty good degree of control over his regenerations. It would also explain why he's so freakishly clever. ''And'' why when he [[IDoNotDrinkWine does drink... wine]], he only gets a little chatty and is a little less than blindingly fast in completing a CrosswordPuzzle, even though he doesn't often drink, and so would not have built up a tolerance, and, again, is quite gaunt. While it would be strange for a Time Lord to need a cane, as they have a low-key HealingFactor, he may have healed ages ago and just thinks it gives him extra gravitas. Perhaps he [[SwordCane keeps assassiny things in it]].

[[WMG:Chelys Galacticas are [[Creator/StephenKing Maturin's]] children]]

That's pretty harsh - the seediness of Ankh-Morpork in Guards!Guards! is nothing compared to the brutal and oppressive surveillance state we see in Night Watch. The improvements to the city in the later books are yet to come, but Men at Arms outright states that Vetinari not only made the city work for the first time in a thousand years, but that it's also become something of an economic heavyweight. Vimes himself concedes that he could not have set up a functioning Watch in Winder's city, as it would just have become another gang - in Vetinari's city, however, these changes are finally possible.

** It's actually spelled out that Snapcase wasn't Lord Snapcase until he became the Patrician, so this is perfectly reasonable.

** I didn't read that as having to do with Dungeons and Dragons, nor was that how I wrote when adding to the guess. A clay golem is a statue made of clay, bought to life by Divine power. A flesh golem (under the premise of the guess) is a statue made of flesh and bone, brought to life by an unknown power (in D&D, either Arcane or Divine power, and in this case by ''[[PunkPunk Science]][[ForScience !]]]]) What's the problem?

** I believe Count Magpyr was the reason Lacrimosa never aged past her teenage years, I can'r remember the quote but Lacrimosa argues with her father when she finds outr she'll be a teenager forever.

* And what else was Creator/MaryWollestonecraftShelley's ''Literature/{{Frankenstein}}'' ''but'' a flesh golem - made out of human parts and animated by an external command?

* It ''is'' possible, Vetinari being Vetinari, that Carcer is currently tied up in a solid iron straightjacket with one of those Hannibal-Lecter face masks, chained to a really thick pillar with a dozen heavy chains, inside a stone-and-octiron cell deep, deep under the ground where it can only be reached by going through a series of fortified tunnels practically-overflowing with [=DaQuirm=]-designed deathtraps, guarded by a phalanx of those Umnian golems whom Vetinari has somehow convinced to answer to him and only him. Having faked the man's death so well that even Vimes wouldn't notice. Just in case he ever encounters a situation that can only be solved by a man with even fewer morals than Vetinari himself.

** The problem with your refutal is the "self-proclaimed". Like most of the stuff that seems to happen to Vimes, if it happens it's just gonna happen to him (like the being promoted Commander of the Watch, Knighted and subsequently... EnDuked?), he'll complain about it, mostly to himself, then just go on as if nothing happened. Even if he becomes a god, he'll still be a Watchman first and foremost. Plus, it opens up the chance for Vetinari to reinstate him in the Watch as "ethnic minority" (as he'd be, you know, a demigod), if only because that'd piss Vimes off royally.

** [[Smug Snake]]: "Who are you?" Vimes: "The Law you sons of bitches!"

*** Nah, that'd be NWCIS (Night Watch Criminal Inbvestigative Services).

* As evidence, in Feet of Clay,[[spoiler:Nobby is touted as potential king, due to his lineage]] showing what a ''real'' lost noble would be like, after so many years of 'Good breeding'.

As mentioned above, the nature of belief in Discworld affects the object of the belief. We have any number of examples, from Om to the Hogfather, but most pertinently Borogravia's Duchess, described (by herself, no less) as "only a rather stupid woman" when she was alive, but on her death was elevated by the prayers of her desperate subjects to a godlike force, albeit one with only the ability to move "small things". Now consider Vimes' offhand reference in 'Guards! Guards!' to the extreme unlikelihood of there being a God of Watchmen, what with it not being a very glamorous gig, and how Pratchett often likes to set these things up * decades* in advance. Then consider: Vimes as he is by the end of 'Thud!' is known to pretty much ''everyone'' as an unstoppable force. He's arrested a dragon, the Patrician, two whole countries, and he's fought trolls, werewolves, quasi-demonic dwarven rage beings, and the weight of history itself, and only lost to the last and even that was a close thing. Watchmen across the continent, in his own words, have been taught to salute him. He has earned the respect and loyalty of every Watchman in Ankh-Morpork, and they fear almost nothing quite so much as the prospect of his "going spare". It has been inferred by Angua ("Vimes puts words in his head") that a large part of the reason Carrot hasn't stepped up to claim his birthright is that "Old Stoneface" has very...''specific'' views about kings, and Carrot is bowing to those views out of respect for the man as much as for the good of the city. He has the respect of both Diamond King of Trolls and the Low King (and the abject terror, no doubt, of any dwarf that claps eyes on the exit wound left on his arm by the Summoning Dark), and by now the majority of the smart undead, both local and Uberwaldean, have figured out that playing "les bugres risibles" with slow, plodding Vimes is a quick route to pain. And finally, he has Lady Sybil, who just plain loves and believes in him, and if he keeps his six o'clock appointments the way he's shown so far, Young Sam will probably follow suit. Likely result: Dunmanifestin is in for a very nasty surprise when Samuel Vimes bites it. Especially since, given that it's Vimes, he won't like it one little bit.

[[WMG: [[Literature/ASymphonyOfEternity Metternich]] is from the Disc and is related to Rincewind.]]
* He's remarked several times that he at one point that he arrived in the empire, meaning that he emigrated from somewhere else.
** His inner monologues are similar to a Pratchet character and like Vimes, Cohen, Rincewind, GW and many others, he found himself many times over in a certain death situation that he manages to turn around and win.

* Alternatively, this troper can totally see him as becoming the anthropomorphic personification of The Law.

And it will be a dual Rincewind/Death novel detailing the accepting of death and finally showing the end to the first protagonist. Probably won't happen, but I don't believe it's true, it never will be.