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** The Greek concept of Hades as a grim place of shadows and insufficient light is explored in the Tiffany Aching novel ''Literature/{{Wintersmith}}'', where Roland is taken on a quest by the [=NacMacFeegle=] to awaken the Summer Lady. After crossing the Styx, they pass through a terrible place populated by half-aware shadowy souls, who can only live out the most pressing memories of their earthly lives, repeating them over and over again. This suggests Hades is a valid destination for many dead Discworlders.

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Relatedly, its possible male witches are ''more'' common than female wizards; witches are by and large allowed to do their own thing in their own style on their own terf. Wizards ar expected to gravitate to a stratified scholarship in a comfortable if crusty building filled with stubborn old men, and institution that may not neccessarily be friendly or enticing to women in the Discworld even if the staff could be convinced to act otherwise. Possibly the more technical minded era Ponder Stibbons and company are pulling in may change that, however.

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Relatedly, its possible male witches are could become ''more'' common than female wizards; witches are by and large allowed to do their own thing in their own style on their own terf. Wizards ar turf, occasionally with some influence from their teacher. However, wizards are expected to gravitate to a stratified scholarship in a comfortable if crusty building filled with stubborn old men, and an institution that may not neccessarily necessarily be friendly or enticing to women in the Discworld even if the staff could be convinced to act otherwise. otherwise.
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Possibly the more technical minded era Ponder Stibbons and company are pulling in may change that, however.
as the more traditional wizards often complain they seem to be bending the definition of wizardry as is. We're told very early in the Discworld series wizarding goes thru "fashions" over the years - including the suspiciously witchy-sounding drudic styles -- so it's possible an overall might happen if the stars align...

[[WMG: Miss Earwig probably would have made a decent wizard, which also explains why she's married.]]
Witches and wizards notoriously have combative (if interesting) conflicting viewpoints, enough Esme Weatherwax uses the fact to try and convince Ridcully them being married could have been horrible (LordsAndLadies). Arch-chancellor Ridcully points out in UnseenAcademicals how ''Mr.'' Earwig both getting married and formally retiring is strange for a wizard. Meanwhile, Miss Earwig is frequently called out in the narrative for being a worse witch (despite somehow having enough power to be seen as a "senior witch" and never seemingly driven off by other witches) and sometimes directly compared to doing "wizard stuff." Likely, her husband finding a woman whose views on magic matched his made her unusually appealing, and it's only an accident of tradition that Miss Earwig got stuck being a witch.



In ''The Wee Free Men'', Tiffany relates the story of Mrs. Snapperly, an old woman who was cast out of her home and eventually died because people thought she was a witch. Tiffany's response: Become a witch herself to make sure no one ''dares'' try that again. When asked by Nanny Ogg why she got into witchcraft in ''The Sea and the Little Fishes'' Granny Weatherwax responds with "I dunno... even I suppose." In her youth, Granny witnessed a similar incident. Not identical, given Lancre's respect for witches, but same in the essentials, an act of cruel stupidity that someone with respect could have prevented. Thus, she sought out the most respected position she could think of: Witch.

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In ''The Wee Free Men'', Tiffany relates the story of Mrs. Snapperly, an old woman who was cast out of her home and eventually died because people thought she was a witch. Tiffany's response: Become a witch herself to make sure no one ''dares'' try that again. When asked by Nanny Ogg why she got into witchcraft in ''The Sea and the Little Fishes'' Granny Weatherwax responds with "I dunno... even I suppose." In her youth, Granny witnessed a similar incident. Not identical, given Lancre's respect for witches, but same in the essentials, an act of cruel stupidity that someone with respect could have prevented. Thus, she sought out the most respected position she could think of: Witch.
Witch. Both of them also ''aggressively'' pursued being a witch despite issues with well-meaning witching mentors bumping against their independence.



[[WMG: Greebo was originally a human that got turned into a kitten.]]
The human-ifying didn't tell him "Yer a human! Be human!" It just made his shape remember, "Oh, yeah, I'm a human..." only he had gotten used to his cat form over the last twenty years. His human side was keeping him alive and in shape ([[IsntItIronic heh]]) for however long it was between the end of an unusually long-lived cat's lifespan (or at least end-of-prime) and at least the events of ''Wintersmith''. He probably got convinced into being a cat after being lecherously rude in the presence of, or towards, a witch, and decided he ''liked'' being a cat (once he aged up a bit from being a kitten, anyway) because he could fight/eat/have sex with pretty much anything, since he was a cat and not a human any more.
* Impossible, I'm afraid. Greebo's eye is that of a cat, therefore he must have been born a cat; it is utterly impossible, even for the gods themselves, to change the manner or nature of a being's eyes. This is why the Duc had to wear sunglasses.
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[[WMG:Spider the Rat King is possessed by the disembodied spirit of Bel-Shamaroth.]]
He's a hideous monster associated with the number 8, wants revenge on humans and is blind because of [[WoundThatWillNotHeal Twoflower blinding him with his camera when he died the first time]].
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** The logical end of this line of thought is that Ankh-Morpork will become a {{Magitek}} [[Main/{{Transformers}} Transformer]].

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** The logical end of this line of thought is that Ankh-Morpork will become a {{Magitek}} [[Main/{{Transformers}} [[Franchise/{{Transformers}} Transformer]].
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\n* For it to "work" as a Discworld Hong Kong - recognisably Chinese but also weird to other Chinese - it needs to be "tainted" by long association with an outlandish foreign power. HK was British for a long time. Could it be that this was an Ankh-Morporkian colonial possession captured by General Tacticus, possibly after the local expy of the Opium Wars? Agatea might have got it back, just as China got HK back in 1999, but it would have received weirdness by its cultural standards. This might also explain Twoflower's burning desire to travel and see the "Mother country"?

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The Establishment


* The Discworld series are classics of what is essentially British humour. Pratchett would be very aware of the idea of the Establishment - people from the right social backgrounds, who went to the right schools and universities, who got into the influential jobs afterwards in business, the Law, newspapers, the [=BBC=], the armed forces, the police and, oh, politics. Britain is also a society where the Upper House in government is still composed of unelected Lords (Think of Vetinari's City Council here). Crucially, people in the Establishment all went to the right Schools - Eton, Harrow, Westminster, et c. Now translate this to the Discworld. The Assassins' Guild School. (Its current most famed alumnus is one Havelock Vetinari). Hugglestones. (William de Worde). And the Quirm Academy for Young Ladies. There is a ''reason'' why its distinguished alumni are called The Ladies Who Organise. Some of them, like Sybil Ramkin, have a small but significant say in Organising whole ''countries''. The Discworld doesn't need an Illuminati [[note]] Think back to ''Literature/GuardsGuards'' and consider the comic ineffectuality of the "Illuminati" who ''did'' try to emerge[[/note]]. but what it '''does''' have - is an Establishment.

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* The Discworld series are classics of what is essentially British humour. Pratchett would be very aware of the idea of the Establishment - people from the right social backgrounds, who went to the right schools and universities, who got into the influential jobs afterwards in in business, the Law, newspapers, the [=BBC=], the armed forces, the Churches, academia, the police and, oh, politics. Britain is also a society where the Upper House in government is still composed of unelected Lords (Think of Vetinari's City Council here). Crucially, people in the Establishment all went to the right Schools - Eton, Harrow, Westminster, et c. Now translate this to the Discworld. The Assassins' Guild School. (Its current most famed alumnus is one Havelock Vetinari). Hugglestones. (William de Worde). And the Quirm Academy for Young Ladies. There is a ''reason'' why its distinguished alumni are called The Ladies Who Organise. Some of them, like Sybil Ramkin, have a small but significant say in Organising whole ''countries''. The Discworld doesn't need an Illuminati [[note]] Think back to ''Literature/GuardsGuards'' and consider the comic ineffectuality of the "Illuminati" who ''did'' try to emerge[[/note]]. emerge[[/note]]. but what it '''does''' have - is an Establishment.
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* The Discworld series are classics of what is essentially British humour. Pratchett would be very aware of the idea of the Establishment - people from the right social backgrounds, who went to the right schools and universities, who got into the influential jobs afterwards in business, the Law, newspapers, the [=BBC=], the armed forces, the police and, oh, politics. Britain is also a society where the Upper House in government is still composed of unelected Lords (Think of Vetinari's City Council here). Crucially, people in the Establishment all went to the right Schools - Eton, Harrow, Westminster, et c. Now translate this to the Discworld. The Assassins' Guild School. (Its current most famed alumnus is one Havelock Vetinari). Hugglestones. (William de Worde). And the Quirm Academy for Young Ladies. There is a ''reason'' why its distinguished alumni are called The Ladies Who Organise. Some of them, like Sybil Ramkin, have a small but significant say in Organising whole ''countries''. The Discworld doesn't need an Illuminati [[note]] Think back to ''Literature/GuardsGuards'' and consider the comic ineffectuality of the "Illuminati" who ''did''' try to emerge[[/note]]. but what it '''does''' have - is an Establishment.

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* The Discworld series are classics of what is essentially British humour. Pratchett would be very aware of the idea of the Establishment - people from the right social backgrounds, who went to the right schools and universities, who got into the influential jobs afterwards in in business, the Law, newspapers, the [=BBC=], the armed forces, the police and, oh, politics. Britain is also a society where the Upper House in government is still composed of unelected Lords (Think of Vetinari's City Council here). Crucially, people in the Establishment all went to the right Schools - Eton, Harrow, Westminster, et c. Now translate this to the Discworld. The Assassins' Guild School. (Its current most famed alumnus is one Havelock Vetinari). Hugglestones. (William de Worde). And the Quirm Academy for Young Ladies. There is a ''reason'' why its distinguished alumni are called The Ladies Who Organise. Some of them, like Sybil Ramkin, have a small but significant say in Organising whole ''countries''. The Discworld doesn't need an Illuminati [[note]] Think back to ''Literature/GuardsGuards'' and consider the comic ineffectuality of the "Illuminati" who ''did''' ''did'' try to emerge[[/note]]. emerge[[/note]]. but what it '''does''' have - is an Establishment.

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* The Discworld series are classics of what is essentially British humour. Pratchett would be very aware of the idea of the Establishment - people from the right social backgrounds, who went to the right schools and universities, who got into the influential jobs afterwards in business, the Law, newspapers, the [=BBC=], the armed forces, the police and, oh, politics. Britain is also a society where the Upper House in government is still composed of unelected Lords (Think of Vetinari's City Council here). Crucially, people in the Establishment all went to the right Schools - Eton, Harrow, Westminster, et c. Now translate this to the Discworld. The Assassins' Guild School. (Its current most famed alumnus is one Havelock Vetinari). Hugglestones. (William de Worde). And the Quirm Academy for Young Ladies. There is a ''reason'' why its distinguished alumni are called The Ladies Who Organise. Some of them, like Sybil Ramkin, have a small but significant say in Organising whole ''countries''. The Discworld doesn't need an Illuminati [[note]] Think back to ''Literature/GuardsGuards'' and consider the comic ineffectuality of the "Illuminati" who ''did''' try to emerge[[/note]]. but what it '''does''' have - is an Establishment.
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[[WMG: The Disc was created by the Company, in Pratchett's other work [[Literature/{{Strata}}]].

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[[WMG: The Disc was created by the company in Pratchett's other work [[Strata]].

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[[WMG: The Disc was created by the company Company, in Pratchett's other work [[Strata]].
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* Consider the Dwarf Devices which are a plot point in ''Literature/{{Thud}}''. These are powerful machines of totally alien design, nobody has a clue how they work, they are capable of amazing things, and were discovered many miles below the Disc's surface. Is it just possible these are fragments of such alien machines in an ultimately artificial worlds? Unfortunately, they are referenced in only this one book, are left as an enigma, and never mentioned again.
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[[WMG: Vetinari isn't a vampire yet, but he is planning to turn into one, when it will become inevitable]]
Turning into a vampire will create a lot of mess for him to deal with, so he might want to delay it as much as he can, but he surely isn't planning to just let himself die one day and leave Ankh-Morpork alone, since we all know that the city won't survive a day without someone who actually knows what he's doing (and let's face it, nobody except for him and greeny Weatherwax really does), so he might be keeping this option within reach, for when it'll be inevitable.

[[WMG: People in this fandom really want Vetinari to be a vampire, for some reason.]]
There are three theories behind this that are trying to make this happen.


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[[WMG: Vetinari suffers from OCD]]
Even ignoring some of his other quirks, such as the music thing, he graduated from the assassins' academy, a place where stepping out of line can literally get you killed. In order to survive that with OCD, you need to develop an amazing willpower, in order to manage the urge to do irrational things that can get you killed (check), to master the ability to lie and manipulate people around you, in order to cover up for your mess (check), and to create an extremely minimalistic lifestyle, in order to be able to keep everything under a semblance of control, while being able to feel like this is in control (check).
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In his early appearences Detritus is characterized as a dumb troll. Later troll characters [[CharacterizationMarchesOn seem to be more clever overall]], so its then explained Detritus ''specifically'' is quite dumb and tough even for a troll; he has worked in many different places and been fired from all of them. However, he later joins the Watch in an attempt to become more respectable and turns out to be fairly intelligent ("indefatigable" is perhaps a better word...) and having good work ethic. His hate for drug dealers also seems disproportiate to other criminals, with Vimes explicitly he has "a nose for drugs" despite having other troll officers he could assign to a case. It's possible Detritus had a certain Habit that effected his mind and quality of life ealier in the books, quitting perhaps around the time of his self-improvement post-''MovingPictures''.

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In his early appearences Detritus is characterized as a dumb troll. Later troll characters [[CharacterizationMarchesOn seem to be more clever overall]], so its then explained Detritus ''specifically'' is quite dumb and tough even for a troll; he has worked in many different places and been fired from all of them. However, he later joins the Watch in an attempt to become more respectable and turns out to be fairly intelligent ("indefatigable" is perhaps a better word...) and having good work ethic. His hate for drug dealers also seems disproportiate to other criminals, with Vimes explicitly he has "a nose for drugs" despite having other troll officers he could assign to a case. It's possible Detritus had a certain Habit that effected his mind and quality of life ealier in the books, quitting perhaps around the time of his self-improvement post-''MovingPictures''.post-''Literature/{{Moving Pictures|Discworld}}''.
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Turns out it wasn't working because there isn't a page for it. Derp. Spelling's corrected, though, so it should work when created.


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[[WMG: Alison Weatherwax is Black Aliss, and ate'nt dead.]]
She survived the oven incident, and proceeded on to Uberwald as shown in Carpe Jugulum to avoid further reprisals. Witch magic can easily stave off death (and possibly even Death) if the wielder wishes, and Black Aliss was far enough gone to do just that. She's probably holed up in a castle somewhere with an Igor, doing what she deems as Good and Right.
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*What do you ''mean'' he doesn't use magic? How do you explain the magic that got inside his books?

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** Granny's inflexibility on the matter could also be related to her strict sense of right and wrong she imposes on herself on other matters; not because she isn't ''aware'' there are shades of grey in certain matters, but because she cannot tempt ''herself'' to think in that way out of worry she might act immorally.

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** Granny's inflexibility on the matter could also be related to her strict sense The most clever of right older wizards and wrong she imposes witches seem to heavily depend on herself on other matters; not because she isn't ''aware'' there are shades of grey in certain matters, but because she cannot tempt ''herself'' "Boffo" (the image they project to think in that way out of worry she might act immorally.
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[[WMG: Rincewind's first name is [[http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/magical+trevor/ Trevor]].]]
A ginger wiz(z)ard who gets into trouble wherever he goes? That sounds familiar....

[[WMG: Rincewind's first name is Willard.]]
Those aren't Zs, he just rolled with people's misreading it after a while.



* Ponder has a ''lot'' of control of the important offices in the [=UU=]. (He even became the acting Bursar when the latter decided to disregard decimal places as a mere nuisance.) He is probably the most competent of the faculty.
** He also understands the ''purpose'' of the Unseen University quite well to keep it running in that same direction (keeping the wizards well-fed and happy, so that they won't start another mage war.)

[[WMG: The wizards aren't allowed to have sex...]]
...not because of the dangers of the result might be a sourcerer, but because of the OTHER possible results of fathering a child when the genetic material is magical. Even if one is NOT and eight's son's eight's son.
* For what it is worth, the book that introduced the concept of a sourcerer began with describing the seven first sons of a wizard as "as powerful from birth as any wizard in the world". So, if wizards had sons, even if they stopped before getting to the eight, that would drastically increase the population of wizards - and we all know what wizards can do if they aren't careful. Of course, later books seems to have retconned down the whole eighth son-eighth son business and the severity of the 'not having sex' rule, but this ''is'' Wild Mass Guessing.
* FWIW, the first competent wizard in the series, Greicha of the Wyrmberg, had two sons who ''weren't'' wizards. Granted, he may not have been an eighth son of an eighth son himself.

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* Ponder has a ''lot'' of unofficial control of the important offices in the [=UU=]. (He [=UU=], even became the becoming acting Bursar when the latter decided to disregard decimal places as for a mere nuisance.) He is time, probably the most competent of the faculty.
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faculty, and not obsessed with the traditionalist trappings of wizardry. He also understands the ''purpose'' of the Unseen University quite well to keep it running in that same direction (keeping the wizards well-fed and happy, so that they won't start another mage war.)

[[WMG: The Why wizards aren't allowed to have sex...]]
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sex]]
Magical ability can apparently (if
not because of ''consistently'') be inhereted by traditional offspring. The threat Sourcerors pose is certainly extreme but rare, so this rule may also reduce the dangers number of the result might be a sourcerer, but because of the OTHER possible results of fathering a child when the genetic material is magical. Even if one is NOT and eight's son's eight's son.
* For what it is worth, the book that introduced the concept of a sourcerer began with describing the seven first sons of a wizard as "as powerful from birth as any wizard in the world". So, if
potential wizards had sons, even if they stopped before getting to (who were traditionally chaotic towards each other) in the eight, world. This might also explain away many minor characters who seem to have uncanny abilities that would drastically increase the population of wizards - and we all know what wizards can do if they nonetheless aren't careful. Of course, later books seems to have retconned down the whole eighth son-eighth son business and the severity of the 'not having sex' rule, but this ''is'' Wild Mass Guessing.
* FWIW, the first competent wizard in the series, Greicha of the Wyrmberg, had two sons who ''weren't'' wizards. Granted, he may not have been an eighth son of an eighth son himself.
''quite'' described like magic.




[[WMG: Also, The Disc was created by [[Franchise/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy Magratheans]].]]
Why NOT?
* Er, because the Creator didn't mention anything of the sort in ''Eric''?
** The Creator is quite obviously, from his general demeanour, a version of Slartibartfast... who would be unlikely to mention the rest of the Magratheans since he never felt they gave him enough credit anyway...
*** Except the Circle Sea is a literal ''circle'', which is about as different from Slartibartfast's beloved fjords as geography can get.


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Why NOT?
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the Creator didn't mention anything of the sort company in ''Eric''?
** The Creator is quite obviously, from his general demeanour, a version of Slartibartfast... who would be unlikely to mention the rest of the Magratheans since he never felt they gave him enough credit anyway...
*** Except the Circle Sea is a literal ''circle'', which is about as different from Slartibartfast's beloved fjords as geography can get.

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* Igors follow orders unquestioningly (90% of the time), just like golems.

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* Igors follow orders unquestioningly (90% of the time), just like golems.unquestioningly, though they have self-preservation instincts.

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