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* CreatorBacklash: Coupled with SelfDeprecation. The extensive liner notes in the 40th Anniversary Boxed Set feature extended contributions from basically every former member of the band, and Fred Frith admits that the band's practice of subjecting every last decision to endless group discussion probably wore them down in the end, and definitely prevented some pieces of music from being as good as they might otherwise have been. Georgina Born also notes that, although in her time with the band it was [[GenderEqualEnsemble split evenly between men and women]] (Frith/Hodgkinson/Cutler, Cooper/Krause/Born), the men tended to behave as though they constituted a majority. In general, however, this is downplayed; although Born later gave up music for academia, she valued her time in the band as an essential part of her education.
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* CreatorBacklash: CreatorBacklash:
** Coupled with SelfDeprecation. The extensive liner notes in the 40th Anniversary Boxed Set feature extended contributions from basically every former member of the band, and Fred Frith admits that the band's practice of subjecting every last decision to endless group discussion probably wore them down in the end, and definitely prevented some pieces of music from being as good as they might otherwise have been. Georgina Born also notes that, although in her time with the band it was [[GenderEqualEnsemble split evenly between men and women]] (Frith/Hodgkinson/Cutler, Cooper/Krause/Born), the men tended to behave as though they constituted a majority. In general, however, this is downplayed; although Born later gave up music for academia, she valued her time in the band as an essential part of her education.
** Coupled with SelfDeprecation. The extensive liner notes in the 40th Anniversary Boxed Set feature extended contributions from basically every former member of the band, and Fred Frith admits that the band's practice of subjecting every last decision to endless group discussion probably wore them down in the end, and definitely prevented some pieces of music from being as good as they might otherwise have been. Georgina Born also notes that, although in her time with the band it was [[GenderEqualEnsemble split evenly between men and women]] (Frith/Hodgkinson/Cutler, Cooper/Krause/Born), the men tended to behave as though they constituted a majority. In general, however, this is downplayed; although Born later gave up music for academia, she valued her time in the band as an essential part of her education.
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* TroubledProduction: The entire first side of their first album ''Legend'' had been recorded and mixed and was in the can, when the album's assistant engineer Music/MikeOldfield was given the job of making a master copy. Unfortunately, he pressed the wrong button and accidentally erased the whole thing, so the band had to record it all over again.
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* TroubledProduction: TroubledProduction:
** The entire first side of their first album ''Legend'' had been recorded and mixed and was in the can, when the album's assistant engineer Music/MikeOldfield was given the job of making a master copy. Unfortunately, he pressed the wrong button and accidentally erased the whole thing, so the band had to record it all over again.
** The entire first side of their first album ''Legend'' had been recorded and mixed and was in the can, when the album's assistant engineer Music/MikeOldfield was given the job of making a master copy. Unfortunately, he pressed the wrong button and accidentally erased the whole thing, so the band had to record it all over again.
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** The band's final album, so troubled that, in a way, it not only never got made, but it broke them up. Internal relationships within the band were not very happy, and contrary to their usual practice of discussing everything at length, Frith and Cutler had gone off and written a bunch of songs together, which they offered up for the album. Hodgkinson vetoed them: sources disagree about whether he thought they were good songs but not right for Henry Cow, or whether he though they were just no good. Frith and Cutler liked the songs so much that they decided to start a side project with Krause, Art Bears, to record them. But this decision conflicted with the band's collective insistence on total commitment, so they collectively decided that it meant the end of Henry Cow. Instead of Henry Cow making their album, Frith, Cutler and Krause used the studio time they'd booked to record the first Art Bears album ''Hopes and Fears'', and Henry Cow completed its final concerts and then recorded new material for a totally different final album, ''Western Culture''.
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** The band's final album, so troubled that, in a way, it not only never got made, but it broke them up. Internal relationships within the band were not very happy, and contrary to their usual practice of discussing everything at length, Frith and Cutler had gone off and written a bunch of songs together, which they offered up was having difficulty writing lyrics for the album. Hodgkinson vetoed them: sources longer pieces. Since they didn't have enough material for the album, Cutler volunteered to write some shorter pieces, which other members of the band then set to music. The band recorded them, but then continued to disagree with itself about whether he thought or not they were good songs but not right for Henry Cow, or whether he though they were just no good. Frith and Cutler liked the songs so much that they Cow. Eventually it was decided that although the shorter songs weren't ''bad'', they still weren't Henry Cow, whereas the longer ones were. Frith, Cutler and Krause were eager to start a side project do something with Krause, Art Bears, to record them. But the song-based material, but this decision conflicted with the band's collective insistence on total commitment, so they collectively decided that it meant the end of band was apparently breaking up. What was going to have been Henry Cow. Instead Cow's fifth album ended up as most of Henry Cow making their album, Frith, Cutler and Krause used the studio time they'd booked to record the first Art Bears Music/ArtBears album ''Hopes and Fears'', the rest of which was recorded by Frith, Cutler and Krause a couple of months later, while Henry Cow completed its final concerts and then recorded used the longer pieces and new material for in a totally different final album, ''Western Culture''.
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* [[PromotedFanboy Promoted Fangirl]]: Annemarie Roelofs was in the audience for one of their shows when band members entered the audience while still playing. She had her trombone on her, so she got it out and started playing along. They were so impressed that they invited her to join the band for its last shows, and she plays on their final album.
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On second thoughts this trope doesn’t really apply: none of the bandmembers are exactly famous, and there are no records of simmering resentments, etc.
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* BreakupBreakout: Almost all the members of the band continued their musical careers after it broke up, but two in particular stand out: Georgina Born became an eminent anthropologist and musicologist, publishing several books on the anthropology of the music industry, and Fred Frith has had a long career as a guitarist/composer/improviser/teacher and general musical catalyst, playing with people like Music/BrianEno, Music/JohnZorn, Music/TheResidents, Music/RichardThompson and many others. Chris Cutler still performs and also runs [=ReR=] Megacorp, the ironically-titled organisation that releases Henry Cow’s back catalogue and other albums by former members of the band.
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* BreakupBreakout: Almost all the members of the band continued their musical careers after it broke up, but two in particular stand out: Georgina Born became an eminent anthropologist and musicologist, publishing several books on the anthropology of the music industry, and Fred Frith has had a long career as a guitarist/composer/improviser/teacher and general musical catalyst, playing with people like Music/BrianEno, Music/JohnZorn, Music/TheResidents, Music/RichardThompson and many others. Chris Cutler still performs and also runs ReR Megacorp, the ironically-titled organisation that releases Henry Cow’s back catalogue and other albums by former members of the band.
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* BreakupBreakout: Almost all the members of the band continued their musical careers after it broke up, but two in particular stand out: Georgina Born became an eminent anthropologist and musicologist, publishing several books on the anthropology of the music industry, and Fred Frith has had a long career as a guitarist/composer/improviser/teacher and general musical catalyst, playing with people like Music/BrianEno, Music/JohnZorn, Music/TheResidents, Music/RichardThompson and many others. Chris Cutler still performs and also runs ReR [=ReR=] Megacorp, the ironically-titled organisation that releases Henry Cow’s back catalogue and other albums by former members of the band.
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* BreakupBreakout: Almost all the members of the band continued their musical careers after it broke up, but two in particular stand out: Georgina Born became an eminent anthropologist and musicologist, publishing several books on the anthropology of the music industry, and Fred Frith has had a long career as a guitarist/composer/improviser/teacher and general musical catalyst, playing with people like Music/BrianEno, Music/JohnZorn, Music/TheResidents, Music/RichardThompson and many others. Chris Cutler still performs and also runs ReR Megacorp, the ironically-titled organisation that releases Henry Cow’s back catalogue and other albums by former members of the band.
* CreativeDifferences: Henry Cow are a fairly rare example of a band that '''genuinely''' broke up because of these. Some of the members were definitely more hard-left and ideological than others (Cutler and Hodgkinson were more on the ideological end, Frith on the other end) and the whole band no longer felt that they shared the same vision for the group. Ironically, it was Cutler and Frith who went straight into a collaboration in Art Bears. The group members remained friends (which doesn’t usually happen with this trope) and continued to work with each other on projects over the years.
* CreativeDifferences: Henry Cow are a fairly rare example of a band that '''genuinely''' broke up because of these. Some of the members were definitely more hard-left and ideological than others (Cutler and Hodgkinson were more on the ideological end, Frith on the other end) and the whole band no longer felt that they shared the same vision for the group. Ironically, it was Cutler and Frith who went straight into a collaboration in Art Bears. The group members remained friends (which doesn’t usually happen with this trope) and continued to work with each other on projects over the years.
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* BreakupBreakout: Almost all the members of the band continued their musical careers after it broke up, but two in particular stand out: Georgina Born became an eminent anthropologist and musicologist, publishing several books on the anthropology of the music industry, and Fred Frith has had a long career as a guitarist/composer/improviser/teacher and general musical catalyst, playing with people like Music/BrianEno, Music/JohnZorn, Music/TheResidents, Music/RichardThompson and many others.
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** In Benjamin Piekut's 2019 biography of the band, ''Henry Cow: The World Is A Problem'', Fred Frith observed that on reading Henry Cow's public statements years later, his main reaction was to think what a bunch of "humourless bastards" they were. He has since observed that while he admires the book, he felt it overemphasised the seriousness of the band and missed a lot of their humour and comradeship.
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** In Benjamin Piekut's 2019 biography of the band, ''Henry Cow: The World Is A Problem'', Fred Frith observed that on reading Henry Cow's public statements years later, his main reaction was to think what a bunch of "humourless bastards" they were. He has [[https://rickrees.substack.com/p/fred-frith-interview since observed observed]] that while he admires the book, he felt it overemphasised the seriousness of the band and missed a lot of their humour and comradeship."surreal escapades".
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** In Benjamin Piekut's 2019 biography of the band, ''Henry Cow: The World Is A Problem'', Fred Frith observed that on reading Henry Cow's public statements years later, his main reaction was to think what a bunch of "humourless bastards" they were. He has since observed that while he admires the book, he felt it overemphasised the seriousness of the band and missed a lot of their humour and comradeship.
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* TroubledProduction: The band's final album, so troubled that, in a way, it not only never got made, but it broke them up. Internal relationships within the band were not very happy, and contrary to their usual practice of discussing everything at length, Frith and Cutler had gone off and written a bunch of songs together, which they offered up for the album. Hodgkinson vetoed them: sources disagree about whether he thought they were good songs but not right for Henry Cow, or whether he though they were just no good. Frith and Cutler liked the songs so much that they decided to start a side project with Krause, Art Bears, to record them. But this decision conflicted with the band's collective insistence on total commitment, so they collectively decided that it meant the end of Henry Cow. Instead of Henry Cow making their album, Frith, Cutler and Krause used the studio time they'd booked to record the first Art Bears album ''Hopes and Fears'', and Henry Cow completed its final concerts and then recorded new material for a totally different final album, ''Western Culture''.
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* TroubledProduction: The entire first side of their first album ''Legend'' had been recorded and mixed and was in the can, when the album's assistant engineer Music/MikeOldfield was given the job of making a master copy. Unfortunately, he pressed the wrong button and accidentally erased the whole thing, so the band had to record it all over again.
** The band's final album, so troubled that, in a way, it not only never got made, but it broke them up. Internal relationships within the band were not very happy, and contrary to their usual practice of discussing everything at length, Frith and Cutler had gone off and written a bunch of songs together, which they offered up for the album. Hodgkinson vetoed them: sources disagree about whether he thought they were good songs but not right for Henry Cow, or whether he though they were just no good. Frith and Cutler liked the songs so much that they decided to start a side project with Krause, Art Bears, to record them. But this decision conflicted with the band's collective insistence on total commitment, so they collectively decided that it meant the end of Henry Cow. Instead of Henry Cow making their album, Frith, Cutler and Krause used the studio time they'd booked to record the first Art Bears album ''Hopes and Fears'', and Henry Cow completed its final concerts and then recorded new material for a totally different final album, ''Western Culture''.
** The band's final album, so troubled that, in a way, it not only never got made, but it broke them up. Internal relationships within the band were not very happy, and contrary to their usual practice of discussing everything at length, Frith and Cutler had gone off and written a bunch of songs together, which they offered up for the album. Hodgkinson vetoed them: sources disagree about whether he thought they were good songs but not right for Henry Cow, or whether he though they were just no good. Frith and Cutler liked the songs so much that they decided to start a side project with Krause, Art Bears, to record them. But this decision conflicted with the band's collective insistence on total commitment, so they collectively decided that it meant the end of Henry Cow. Instead of Henry Cow making their album, Frith, Cutler and Krause used the studio time they'd booked to record the first Art Bears album ''Hopes and Fears'', and Henry Cow completed its final concerts and then recorded new material for a totally different final album, ''Western Culture''.
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** In Benjamin Piekut's 2019 biography of the band, ''Henry Cow: The World Is A Problem'', Fred Frith observed that on reading Henry Cow's public statements years later, his main reaction was to think what a bunch of "humourless bastards" they were.were.
* TroubledProduction: The band's final album, so troubled that, in a way, it not only never got made, but it broke them up. Internal relationships within the band were not very happy, and contrary to their usual practice of discussing everything at length, Frith and Cutler had gone off and written a bunch of songs together, which they offered up for the album. Hodgkinson vetoed them: sources disagree about whether he thought they were good songs but not right for Henry Cow, or whether he though they were just no good. Frith and Cutler liked the songs so much that they decided to start a side project with Krause, Art Bears, to record them. But this decision conflicted with the band's collective insistence on total commitment, so they collectively decided that it meant the end of Henry Cow. Instead of Henry Cow making their album, Frith, Cutler and Krause used the studio time they'd booked to record the first Art Bears album ''Hopes and Fears'', and Henry Cow completed its final concerts and then recorded new material for a totally different final album, ''Western Culture''.
* TroubledProduction: The band's final album, so troubled that, in a way, it not only never got made, but it broke them up. Internal relationships within the band were not very happy, and contrary to their usual practice of discussing everything at length, Frith and Cutler had gone off and written a bunch of songs together, which they offered up for the album. Hodgkinson vetoed them: sources disagree about whether he thought they were good songs but not right for Henry Cow, or whether he though they were just no good. Frith and Cutler liked the songs so much that they decided to start a side project with Krause, Art Bears, to record them. But this decision conflicted with the band's collective insistence on total commitment, so they collectively decided that it meant the end of Henry Cow. Instead of Henry Cow making their album, Frith, Cutler and Krause used the studio time they'd booked to record the first Art Bears album ''Hopes and Fears'', and Henry Cow completed its final concerts and then recorded new material for a totally different final album, ''Western Culture''.
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* CreatorBacklash: Coupled with SelfDeprecation. The extensive liner notes in the 40th Anniversary Boxed Set feature extended contributions from basically every former member of the band, and Fred Frith admits that the band's practice of subjecting every last decision to endless group discussion probably wore them down in the end, and definitely prevented some pieces of music from being as good as they might otherwise have been. Georgina Born also notes that, although in her time with the band it was [[GenderEqualEnsemble split evenly between men and women]] (Frith/Hodgkinson/Cutler, Cooper/Krause/Born), the men tended to behave as though they constituted a majority. In general, however, this is downplayed; although Born later gave up music for academia, she valued her time in the band as an essential part of her education.
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* CreatorBacklash: Coupled with SelfDeprecation. The extensive liner notes in the 40th Anniversary Boxed Set feature extended contributions from basically every former member of the band, and Fred Frith admits that the band's practice of subjecting every last decision to endless group discussion probably wore them down in the end, and definitely prevented some pieces of music from being as good as they might otherwise have been. Georgina Born also notes that, although in her time with the band it was [[GenderEqualEnsemble split evenly between men and women]] (Frith/Hodgkinson/Cutler, Cooper/Krause/Born), the men tended to behave as though they constituted a majority. In general, however, this is downplayed; although Born later gave up music for academia, she valued her time in the band as an essential part of her education.education.
** In Benjamin Piekut's 2019 biography of the band, ''Henry Cow: The World Is A Problem'', Fred Frith observed that on reading Henry Cow's public statements years later, his main reaction was to think what a bunch of "humourless bastards" they were.
** In Benjamin Piekut's 2019 biography of the band, ''Henry Cow: The World Is A Problem'', Fred Frith observed that on reading Henry Cow's public statements years later, his main reaction was to think what a bunch of "humourless bastards" they were.
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Author Existence Failure (now renamed to Died During Production) is a trope for dying before finishing a work, not anytime a creator died.
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* AuthorExistenceFailure: Sadly, Lindsay Cooper died in 2013 after a long battle with multiple sclerosis. The surviving band members reunited for a few concerts to commemorate her life.
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* AuthorExistenceFailure: Sadly, Lindsay Cooper died in 2013 after a long battle with multiple sclerosis. The surviving band members reunited for a few concerts to commemorate her life.life.
* CreatorBacklash: Coupled with SelfDeprecation. The extensive liner notes in the 40th Anniversary Boxed Set feature extended contributions from basically every former member of the band, and Fred Frith admits that the band's practice of subjecting every last decision to endless group discussion probably wore them down in the end, and definitely prevented some pieces of music from being as good as they might otherwise have been. Georgina Born also notes that, although in her time with the band it was [[GenderEqualEnsemble split evenly between men and women]] (Frith/Hodgkinson/Cutler, Cooper/Krause/Born), the men tended to behave as though they constituted a majority. In general, however, this is downplayed; although Born later gave up music for academia, she valued her time in the band as an essential part of her education.
* CreatorBacklash: Coupled with SelfDeprecation. The extensive liner notes in the 40th Anniversary Boxed Set feature extended contributions from basically every former member of the band, and Fred Frith admits that the band's practice of subjecting every last decision to endless group discussion probably wore them down in the end, and definitely prevented some pieces of music from being as good as they might otherwise have been. Georgina Born also notes that, although in her time with the band it was [[GenderEqualEnsemble split evenly between men and women]] (Frith/Hodgkinson/Cutler, Cooper/Krause/Born), the men tended to behave as though they constituted a majority. In general, however, this is downplayed; although Born later gave up music for academia, she valued her time in the band as an essential part of her education.
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* BigNameFan: Music/SoftMachine's Robert Wyatt loved the band, and makes a guest appearance on their live album ''Concerts''. [[Creator/TheBBC BBC]] radio DJ Creator/JohnPeel was also a big fan, having the band record several sessions for his show.
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