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In 1492 Italy is divided into warring states and at the centre lies Rome where the ageing Pope Innocent VIII rules. As Vice Chancellor of the College of Cardinals Rodrigo Borgia plans to use all his influence in order to become the next Pope and create a great dynasty. Following the death of his eldest son he summons his other children; Juan, Cesare and Lucrezia, back to the Rome. Soon all three are embroiled in the plotting of the noble families and the church and the series follows their development from pawns to skilled players of the game.
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In 1492 Italy is divided into warring states and at the centre lies Rome where the ageing Pope Innocent VIII rules. As Vice Chancellor of the College of Cardinals Rodrigo Borgia plans to use all his influence in order to become the next Pope and create a great dynasty. Following the death of his eldest son he summons his other children; Juan, Cesare and Lucrezia, back to the Rome. Soon all three are embroiled in the plotting of the noble families and the church and the series follows their development from pawns to skilled players of the game.
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** [[spoiler: Orsino Orsini, the husband of Giulia]], died much later than in the series (1500, to be exact). Until this time Giulia and Orsino were married, which also means that they were married the whole time Giulia was the lover of Rodrigo, as Rodrigo ditched Giulia in 1499/1500.
*** Extending this, Giulia couldn't have been present at [[spoiler: Rodrigo's death]] in 1503.
*** Extending this, Giulia couldn't have been present at [[spoiler: Rodrigo's death]] in 1503.
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** The ''Art/LaocoonAndHisSons'' {{sculpture|s}} being discovered earlier than it really was so it can provide a metaphor of a father and his sons being dragged down by snakes. This doubles as SecretHistory as Rodrigo is so perturbed by the implication that he orders it reburied, presumably to be later rediscovered ([[FridgeBrilliance and put on public display]]) by Julius II.
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** Della Rovere wasn't homosexual - he had an illegitimate daughter (so not born out of "duty", nonetheless that he was a cardinal at the time so he wasn't even supposed to have a child of any kind), and it was common during history to frame someone of being gay, either as an insult or character assassination.
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* HairMemento: In an episode, Lucrezia's new friend Pietro, sent to cheer her spirits up after her [[spoiler: pregnancy]], has to go to Venice to visit a sick family member. As a parting gift, Lucrezia offers him a lock of her hair.
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-->'''Cesare:''' A son exists to glorify the life of his father--as meaningless and worthless and that life might be. But if a boy is to become a man, he must glorify himself… and make a name even greater than his father's. A name… that will shout throughout history. '''I am ''Cesare Borgia''!'''
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-->'''Cesare:''' A son exists to glorify the life of his father--as father -- as meaningless and worthless and that life might be. But if a boy is to become a man, he must glorify himself… himself, and make a name even greater than his father's. A name… name that will shout throughout history. '''I ''[DramaticPause]'' I am ''Cesare Borgia''!''''''Cesare Borgia'''!
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** Giuila threatens Lucrezia's lady-in-waiting with expulsion to Tierra del Fuego, which would only be first explored by Europeans 27 years later.
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* ChildSupplantsParent: The main person Cesare feels in the shadow of is his elder brother Juan. Once Juan dies, though, and Cesare is free from that, he increasingly wants to overshadow his father.
-->'''Cesare:''' A son exists to glorify the life of his father--as meaningless and worthless and that life might be. But if a boy is to become a man, he must glorify himself… and make a name even greater than his father's. A name… that will shout throughout history. '''I am ''Cesare Borgia''!'''
-->'''Cesare:''' A son exists to glorify the life of his father--as meaningless and worthless and that life might be. But if a boy is to become a man, he must glorify himself… and make a name even greater than his father's. A name… that will shout throughout history. '''I am ''Cesare Borgia''!'''
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-->'''Cesare:''' A son exists to glorify the life of his father--as meaningless and worthless and that life might be. But if a boy is to become a man, he must glorify himself… and make a name even greater than his father's. A name… that will shout throughout history. '''I am ''Cesare Borgia''!'''
-->'''Cesare:''' A son exists to glorify the life of his father--as meaningless and worthless and that life might be. But if a boy is to become a man, he must glorify himself… and make a name even greater than his father's. A name… that will shout throughout history. '''I am ''Cesare Borgia''!'''
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->''I praise ''Borgia: Faith and Fear'' for what I call its “historicity” rather than its “accuracy.” It takes its fair share of liberties, as well it should if it wants a modern person to sit through it. But it also succeeds in making the characters feel un-modern in a way many period pieces don’t try to do. It is a bit alienating but much more powerful.''
-->-- '''[[Literature/TerraIgnota Ada Palmer]]''', [[https://www.exurbe.com/the-borgias-vs-borgia-faith-and-fear/ “The Borgias” vs. “Borgia: Faith and Fear”]]
-->-- '''[[Literature/TerraIgnota Ada Palmer]]''', [[https://www.exurbe.com/the-borgias-vs-borgia-faith-and-fear/ “The Borgias” vs. “Borgia: Faith and Fear”]]
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->''I praise ''Borgia: Faith and Fear'' for what I call its “historicity” "historicity" rather than its “accuracy.” "accuracy." It takes its fair share of liberties, as well it should if it wants a modern person to sit through it. But it also succeeds in making the characters feel un-modern in a way many period pieces don’t don't try to do. It is a bit alienating but much more powerful.''
-->-- '''[[Literature/TerraIgnota Ada Palmer]]''', [[https://www.exurbe.com/the-borgias-vs-borgia-faith-and-fear/“The Borgias” "The Borgias" vs. “Borgia: "Borgia: Faith and Fear”]]
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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: In her essay [[https://www.exurbe.com/the-borgias-vs-borgia-faith-and-fear/ "The Borgias" vs. "Borgia: Faith and Fear"]], author and historian [[Literature/TerraIgnota Ada Palmer]] contrasts ''Borgia'' with the show ''Series/TheBorgias'' while she talks about what she calls "historicity" (what TVTropes might call DeliberateValuesDissonance) vs "historical accuracy" (what TVTropes might call ArtisticLicenseHistory). Historical accuracy pertains to the details, while historicity is about sensibilities. While ''Borgia'' has about as much historical accuracy as you'd expect for a show of this sort, it has ''far'' more historicity than is usually expected.
-->'''Ada Palmer:''' A bar brawl doesn't go from insult to heated words to slamming chairs to eventually drawing steel, it goes straight from insult to hacking off a body part. Rodrigo and Cesare don't feel guilty about killing people, they feel guilty the first time they kill someone ''dishonorably''. Rodrigo is not being seduced by Julia Farnese and trying to hide his shocking affair; Rodrigo and Julia live in the papal palace like a married couple, and she's the head of his household and the partner of his political labors, and if the audience is squigged out that she's 18 and he's 61 then that's a fact [...] 14-year-old Lucrezia is constantly demanding marriage and convinced she's going to be an old maid if she doesn't marry soon, but is simultaneously obviously totally not ready for adult decisions and utterly ignorant of what marriage will really mean for her. It communicates what was terrible about the Renaissance but doesn't have anyone on-camera objecting to it [...] I praise ''Borgia: Faith and Fear'' for what I call its "historicity" rather than its "accuracy". It takes its fair share of liberties, as well it should if it wants a modern person to sit through it. But it also succeeds in making the characters feel un-modern in a way many period pieces don't try to do. It is a bit alienating but much more powerful.
-->'''Ada Palmer:''' A bar brawl doesn't go from insult to heated words to slamming chairs to eventually drawing steel, it goes straight from insult to hacking off a body part. Rodrigo and Cesare don't feel guilty about killing people, they feel guilty the first time they kill someone ''dishonorably''. Rodrigo is not being seduced by Julia Farnese and trying to hide his shocking affair; Rodrigo and Julia live in the papal palace like a married couple, and she's the head of his household and the partner of his political labors, and if the audience is squigged out that she's 18 and he's 61 then that's a fact [...] 14-year-old Lucrezia is constantly demanding marriage and convinced she's going to be an old maid if she doesn't marry soon, but is simultaneously obviously totally not ready for adult decisions and utterly ignorant of what marriage will really mean for her. It communicates what was terrible about the Renaissance but doesn't have anyone on-camera objecting to it [...] I praise ''Borgia: Faith and Fear'' for what I call its "historicity" rather than its "accuracy". It takes its fair share of liberties, as well it should if it wants a modern person to sit through it. But it also succeeds in making the characters feel un-modern in a way many period pieces don't try to do. It is a bit alienating but much more powerful.
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* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters: Have fun trying to keep all the cardinals straight, let alone their allegiances to the various states.
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* CruelAndUnusualPunishment: Though most of the torture scenes may come off as barbaric and sometimes convoluted, they were true to the norms of the time.
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* ThePlague: Syphilis or "the French disease" becomes very pronounced in the series - especially after Charles VIII's invasion of Italy in the first season.
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* TheRenaissance: Despite their crimes, the Borgias end up abetting the spread of the Renaissance.
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* TheRenaissance: Despite their crimes, the Borgias end up abetting the spread of the Renaissance.
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** [[spoiler: Juan]] is killed well before his actual death in 1497.
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* NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent: Nearly every major character speaks in their own native accent regardless of what character they're playing. More understandable when the show was meant to be dubbed for multiple European countries.
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''Borgia'', also known as ''Borgia: Faith and Fear'', is a 2011 Channel+ and EOS Entertainment production based on the rise and fall of the Borgia family in renaissance Italy. The series had three seasons and aired in Italy, France, Austria, Germany and Belgium as well as US and UK Netflix.
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->''I praise ''Borgia: Faith and Fear'' for what I call its “historicity” rather than its “accuracy.” It takes its fair share of liberties, as well it should if it wants a modern person to sit through it. But it also succeeds in making the characters feel un-modern in a way many period pieces don’t try to do. It is a bit alienating but much more powerful.''
-->-- '''[[Literature/TerraIgnota Ada Palmer]]''', [[https://www.exurbe.com/the-borgias-vs-borgia-faith-and-fear/ “The Borgias” vs. “Borgia: Faith and Fear”]]
''Borgia'', also known as ''Borgia: Faith and Fear'', is a 2011Channel+ Creator/StudioCanal and EOS Entertainment production based on the rise and fall of the Borgia family in renaissance Italy. The series had three seasons and aired in Italy, France, Austria, Germany and Belgium as well as US and UK Netflix.{{Creator/Netflix}}.
-->-- '''[[Literature/TerraIgnota Ada Palmer]]''', [[https://www.exurbe.com/the-borgias-vs-borgia-faith-and-fear/ “The Borgias” vs. “Borgia: Faith and Fear”]]
''Borgia'', also known as ''Borgia: Faith and Fear'', is a 2011
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** Subverted ({{Zigzagg|ingTrope}}ed?) in a very interesting way. Cesare and Lucrezia [[spoiler: never ''actually'' have sex--the definition of incest--but get very close to it multiple times. They have a romantic dynamic, and never have sex more due to ''circumstances'' rather than ''lack of interest''.]] The more-likely historical truth (that people made up rumors they were incestuous to hurt the Borgias) is also present in the story, and discussed. These rumors are an AccidentalTruth, [[spoiler:and predate their first kiss.]]
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** Subverted ({{Zigzagg|ingTrope}}ed?) in a very interesting way. Cesare and Lucrezia [[spoiler: never ''actually'' have sex--the definition of incest--but get very close to it multiple times. They have a romantic dynamic, and never have sex more due to ''circumstances'' rather than ''lack of interest''.]] The more-likely historical truth (that people made up rumors they were incestuous to hurt the Borgias) is also present in the story, and discussed. These rumors are an AccidentalTruth, [[spoiler:and predate their first kiss.]]kiss]].
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** Juan and Cesare. [[spoiler: {{Subverted|Trope}}, because just as it's really starting to look like he did, it's revealed that Cesare ''didn't'' kill Juan. And then {{Double Subver|sion}}ted, because Juan's other sibling--his unsuspected, seemingly innocent little sister Lucrezia--''did''.]]
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** Juan and Cesare. [[spoiler: {{Subverted|Trope}}, because just because--just as it's really starting to look like he did, it's Cesare was the one who killed Juan--it's revealed that Cesare ''didn't'' kill Juan.he ''didn't''. And then {{Double Subver|sion}}ted, because Juan's other sibling--his unsuspected, seemingly innocent little sister Lucrezia--''did''.]]
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* EveryoneIsASuspect: At least half the cast has reason to want [[spoiler:Juan]] dead.
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%%* ForegoneConclusion: The fates of many of the historical characters. [[spoiler: though the show suggests otherwise for Cesare Borgia, see above]].
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%%* ForegoneConclusion: The fates of many of the historical characters. [[spoiler: though [[spoiler:Though the show suggests otherwise for Cesare Borgia, see above]].
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* AddledAddict: Rodrigo and Giulia whilst taking vitriola (diethyl ether) in season two.
* AmicableExes: Rodrigo and Vannozza.
* AmicableExes: Rodrigo and Vannozza.
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* ArrangedMarriage: Pretty much all the marriages in the show.
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** [[spoiler: One time, [[AttemptedRape Juan briefly tries to rape Lucrezia, until she blackmails him into stopping.]]]] [[spoiler: In a later episode, Juan also claims that [[AllLoveIsUnrequited Lucrezia is]] [[AnguishedDeclarationOfLove "the only one" he loves]]. Lucrezia responds by (repeatedly) stabbing him.]]
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* CostumePorn
* CycleOfRevenge: Between Cesare and the Colonna in season one
* DistractedByTheLuxury: In the beginning, Rodrigo invokes this with both Giula and Lucrezia.
* CycleOfRevenge: Between Cesare and the Colonna in season one
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* EverybodyHasLotsOfSex[=/=]ReallyGetsAround[=/=]YourCheatingHeart: ''Everyone''. Seriously, ''everyone''.
* EveryoneIsASuspect: [[spoiler: At least half the cast has reason to want Juan dead]]
* EverybodyHasLotsOfSex[=/=]ReallyGetsAround[=/=]YourCheatingHeart: ''Everyone''. Seriously, ''everyone''.
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* {{Fanservice}}[=/=]FanDisservice: When someone gets naked on ''Borgia'', there's a 50/50 chance they're going to have sex, or be tortured to death in truly horrific ways.
* FakingTheDead: [[spoiler: Cesare Borgia]] in the final episode.
* ForegoneConclusion: The fates of many of the historical characters. [[spoiler: though the show suggests otherwise for Cesare Borgia, see above]].
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* {{Fanservice}}: When someone gets naked on ''Borgia'', there's a 50/50 chance they're going to havesex, or be tortured to death in truly horrific ways.
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* HandOrObjectUnderwear: A whole line of them parade through Rome, angry and humiliated.
* HistoricalDomainCharacter: Most characters
* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Cardinal Giuliano della Rovere (the future Pope Julius II), even in a series rife with GrayAndGrayMorality. Given that Pope Alexander and della Rovere were bitter rivals in real life, and this series isn't called ''Rovere'', this is understandable.
* HistoricalDomainCharacter: Most characters
* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Cardinal Giuliano della Rovere (the future Pope Julius II), even in a series rife with GrayAndGrayMorality. Given that Pope Alexander and della Rovere were bitter rivals in real life, and this series isn't called ''Rovere'', this is understandable.
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* HotBlooded[=/=]WorldOfHam: Good ''God'' where to start? Its a show set in Renaissance Italy, so pretty much everyone except ''maybe'' Lucrezia?
* HotConsort: Giulia Farnese to Rodrigo.
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* IdenticalGrandson: [[spoiler: Francisco Borgia in Rodrigo's DyingDream looks identical to his grandfather, Juan (They are played by the same actor).]]
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** Cesare--"il Valentino"
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** Cesare--"il Valentino"
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* MoralityPet: To Cesare--Lucrezia, his children, his wife Charlotte when he remembers her, his mother Vannozza sometimes…
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* NotSoDifferent: Rodrigo and della Rovere. Lampshaded repeated by many characters.
* OneSteveLimit: Very much averted with two regally appearing noblemen named Alfonso and '''''far''''' too many people called Giovanni.
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* PervertDad: Rodrigo toward Lucrezia. He feels super guilty about it.
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** Pedro Luis
** Pope Innocent
* RapeAsDrama: [[spoiler:Marcantonio Colonna rapes Cesare in "Prelude to an Apocalypse".]]
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** Pedro Luis
** Pope Innocent
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* TakeThatKiss: Juan delivers one in 1.02. "We are a planet of Judases."
* TellMeAboutMyFather: Lucrezia to Vannozza in "1492"
* {{Tsundere}}: Giulia, of the ''tsun'' type.
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* JacobAndEsau: Rodrigo favors Juan to Cesare, while Vannozza favors Ceare to Juan. Juan laments that his mother let him be sent away to Spain when he was only 12.
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* JacobAndEsau: Rodrigo favors Juan to Cesare, while Vannozza favors Ceare Cesare to Juan. Juan laments that his mother let him be sent away to Spain when he was only 12.
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* JacobAndEsau: Rodrigo favors Juan to Cesare, while Vannozza favors Ceare to Juan. Juan laments that his mother let him be sent away to Spain when he was only 12.
-->'''Vannozza:''' Thank God I have another son. Thank God I have Cesare.
-->'''Vannozza:''' Thank God I have another son. Thank God I have Cesare.
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* ParentalFavoritism[=/=]TheUnFavourite:
** Rodrigo favors Juan to Cesare…
** …and Vannozza favors Ceare to Juan. Juan laments that she let him be sent away to Spain when he was only 12.
-->'''Vannozza:''' Thank God I have another son. Thank God I have Cesare.
** Rodrigo favors Juan to Cesare…
** …and Vannozza favors Ceare to Juan. Juan laments that she let him be sent away to Spain when he was only 12.
-->'''Vannozza:''' Thank God I have another son. Thank God I have Cesare.
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[[SimilarlyNamedWorks Not to be confused]] with the 2011 Showtime series ''Series/{{The Borgias}}'' (note the ''"the"'' and plural ''"s"''), the 2011 Showtime series based on the the Borgia family in renaissance Italy. How anyone could possibly confuse them is a mystery.
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Not to be confused with ''Series/{{The Borgias}}'' (note the ''"the"'' and plural ''"s"''), the 2011 Showtime series based on the the Borgia family in renaissance Italy. How anyone could possibly confuse them is a mystery.
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[[SimilarlyNamedWorks Not to be confused confused]] with ''Series/{{The Borgias}}'' (note the ''"the"'' and plural ''"s"''), the 2011 Showtime series based on the the Borgia family in renaissance Italy. How anyone could possibly confuse them is a mystery.