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* SeriesContinuityError: Novu tells Mia that the Book cannot bring back Oliver, but last crossover Malcolm Merlyn was resurrected until the BigBad Deegan was subdued and the Book of Destiny restored things back to normal, returning Merlyn to death.
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* MetaTwist: Earth-99 seems to be built up as the universe of ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' given the designation '99' (1999 being the premiere year of the series) and the fact that it supposedly houses the "Bat of the Future". This is gradually revealed to absolutely not be the case whatsoever, given numerous factors: the age difference (Bruce is in his 80s in ''Beyond'', but 60s here), the presence of Luke here but not in ''Beyond'', the complete absence of Terry here, and most importantly, the fact that this Bruce has become a FallenHero. This universe was ultimately [[CanonForeigner invented for this episode alone]], though with some elements subtly adapted from other sources too.

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* MetaTwist: Earth-99 seems to be built up as the universe of ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' given the designation '99' (1999 being the premiere year of the series) and the fact that it supposedly houses the "Bat of the Future". This is gradually revealed to absolutely not be the case whatsoever, case, given numerous factors: the age difference (Bruce is in his 80s 80's in ''Beyond'', but 60s 60's here), the presence of Luke here but not in ''Beyond'', the complete absence of Terry here, and most importantly, the fact that this Bruce has become a FallenHero. This universe was ultimately [[CanonForeigner invented for this episode alone]], though with some elements subtly adapted from other sources too.

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* OneOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers: Three different versions of Clark Kent get significant screen time in the episode. Of these, the Earth-38 and Earth-96 versions continue to act as Superman, and both have a single son each. The Clark of Earth-167, on the other hand, has given up his powers and has daughters.
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** Earth-38 Lex cannot believe Earth-167 Clark would give up his powers for a family.

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** Earth-38 Lex cannot believe Earth-167 Clark would give up his powers for a family. For that matter, he thought Clark was only Superman on this Earth, because it would be ridiculous if it also applied to his own Clark, who "can't see past his glasses".
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** Earth-99 Bruce [[Film/TheDarkKnight lived to see himself become the villain]].
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* RoleReprise: Creator/BrandonRouth reprises his role as Superman from ''Film/SupermanReturns'', meaning the same character as portrayed by Creator/ChristopherReeve.
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* RoleReprisal: Creator/BrandonRouth reprises his role as Superman from ''Film/SupermanReturns'', meaning the same character as portrayed by Creator/ChristopherReeve.

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* RoleReprisal: RoleReprise: Creator/BrandonRouth reprises his role as Superman from ''Film/SupermanReturns'', meaning the same character as portrayed by Creator/ChristopherReeve.
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* RoleReprisal: Creator/BrandonRouth reprises his role as Superman from ''Film/SupermanReturns'', meaning the same character as portrayed by Creator/ChristopherReeve.

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* FanficFuel: The question of how and when Earth-167 Superman renounced his powers.



** In the DC comics, Earth-18 is the universe designated for Wild West versions of the Justice League, the Justice Riders. In the Earth-18 of the Arrowverse, a version of Jonah Hex appears. Ironically, Jonah Hex is absent from the ''Justice Riders'' comic.

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** In the DC comics, Earth-18 is the universe designated for Wild West versions of the Justice League, the Justice Riders. In the Earth-18 of the Arrowverse, a version of Jonah Hex appears. Ironically, Jonah Hex is absent from the ''Justice Riders'' comic.
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* InnocentlyInsensitive: Mia telling Sara to basically shut up about trying to talk her out of resurrecting Oliver, since he's not her father. [[DramaticIrony Little does she now that Sara also lost her father not long ago.]]

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* InnocentlyInsensitive: Mia telling Sara to basically shut up about trying to talk her out of resurrecting Oliver, since he's not her father. [[DramaticIrony Little does she now know that Sara also lost her father not long ago.]]
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*** His fate is sealed when Kate protects Kara from him. Enhanced strength or no, Bruce is a physically disabled man going up against an able-bodied military school dropout who only dropped out because she wasn't willing to pretend she wasn't a lesbian. What's more, since he's planning to murder her friend, Kate isn't going to be holding back even though she has no intention of killing him, and he won't be able to recover if she puts him off balance. Bruce should have recognized the danger, but all he sees is an obstacle to him killing another Kryptonian "threat". [[CurbStompBattle It was never going to be a fair fight]], even if she had managed to avoid killing him.

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*** His fate is sealed when Kate protects Kara from him. Enhanced strength or no, Bruce is a physically disabled man going up against an able-bodied military school dropout who only dropped out because she wasn't willing to pretend she wasn't a lesbian.lesbian, and isn't affected by his Kryptonite because she isn't a Kryptonian. What's more, since he's planning to murder her friend, Kate isn't going to be holding back even though she has no intention of killing him, and he won't be able to recover if she puts him off balance. Bruce should have recognized the danger, but all he sees is an obstacle to him killing another Kryptonian "threat". [[CurbStompBattle It was never going to be a fair fight]], even if she had managed to avoid killing him.
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*** Enhanced strength or no, Bruce is a physically disabled man going up against an able-bodied military school dropout who only dropped out because she wasn't willing to pretend she wasn't a lesbian. What's more, since he's planning to murder her friend, Kate isn't going to be holding back even though she has no intention of killing him, and he won't be able to recover if she puts him off balance. Bruce should have recognized the danger, but all he sees is an obstacle to him killing another Kryptonian "threat". [[CurbStompBattle It was never going to be a fair fight]], even if she had managed to avoid killing him.

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*** His fate is sealed when Kate protects Kara from him. Enhanced strength or no, Bruce is a physically disabled man going up against an able-bodied military school dropout who only dropped out because she wasn't willing to pretend she wasn't a lesbian. What's more, since he's planning to murder her friend, Kate isn't going to be holding back even though she has no intention of killing him, and he won't be able to recover if she puts him off balance. Bruce should have recognized the danger, but all he sees is an obstacle to him killing another Kryptonian "threat". [[CurbStompBattle It was never going to be a fair fight]], even if she had managed to avoid killing him.
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*** Enhanced strength or no, Bruce is a physically disabled man going up against an able-bodied military school dropout who only dropped out because she wasn't willing to pretend she wasn't a lesbian. What's more, since he's planning to murder her friend, Kate isn't going to be holding back even though she has no intention of killing him, and he won't be able to recover if she puts him off balance. Bruce should have recognized the danger, but all he sees is an obstacle to him killing another "threat". [[CurbStompBattle It was never going to be a fair fight]], even if she had managed to avoid killing him.

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*** Enhanced strength or no, Bruce is a physically disabled man going up against an able-bodied military school dropout who only dropped out because she wasn't willing to pretend she wasn't a lesbian. What's more, since he's planning to murder her friend, Kate isn't going to be holding back even though she has no intention of killing him, and he won't be able to recover if she puts him off balance. Bruce should have recognized the danger, but all he sees is an obstacle to him killing another Kryptonian "threat". [[CurbStompBattle It was never going to be a fair fight]], even if she had managed to avoid killing him.
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*** Bruce is a physically disabled man going up against an able-bodied military school dropout who only dropped out because she wasn't willing to pretend she wasn't a lesbian. What's more, Kate isn't going to be holding back because her friend is in danger. Bruce should have recognized the danger, but all he sees is an obstacle to him killing another "threat". [[CurbStompBattle It was never going to be a fair fight]], even if she had managed to avoid killing him.

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*** Enhanced strength or no, Bruce is a physically disabled man going up against an able-bodied military school dropout who only dropped out because she wasn't willing to pretend she wasn't a lesbian. What's more, since he's planning to murder her friend, Kate isn't going to be holding back because her friend is in danger.even though she has no intention of killing him, and he won't be able to recover if she puts him off balance. Bruce should have recognized the danger, but all he sees is an obstacle to him killing another "threat". [[CurbStompBattle It was never going to be a fair fight]], even if she had managed to avoid killing him.
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** Earth-99 Bruce Wayne is a cautionary tale about what happens when hate takes precedence over [[IdiotBall your common sense]]:

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** Besides being a warning to Kate not to start (intentionally) killing her enemies, Earth-99 Bruce Wayne is a cautionary tale about what happens when hate takes precedence over [[IdiotBall your common sense]]:
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*** Bruce is a physically disabled man going up against an able-bodied military school dropout who only dropped out because she wasn't willing to pretend she wasn't a lesbian. What's more, Kate isn't going to be holding back because her friend is in danger. [[CurbStompBattle It was never going to be a fair fight]], even if she had managed not to kill him.

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*** Bruce is a physically disabled man going up against an able-bodied military school dropout who only dropped out because she wasn't willing to pretend she wasn't a lesbian. What's more, Kate isn't going to be holding back because her friend is in danger. Bruce should have recognized the danger, but all he sees is an obstacle to him killing another "threat". [[CurbStompBattle It was never going to be a fair fight]], even if she had managed not to kill avoid killing him.
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** Earth-99 Bruce Wayne is a cautionary tale about what happens when hate takes precedence over [[IdiotBall your common sense]]:
*** A BadassNormal [[CareerEndingInjury isn't going to fare well against Superman]], even if they ''do'' manage to kill the Man of Steel.
*** Bruce is a physically disabled man going up against an able-bodied military school dropout who only dropped out because she wasn't willing to pretend she wasn't a lesbian. What's more, Kate isn't going to be holding back because her friend is in danger. [[CurbStompBattle It was never going to be a fair fight]], even if she had managed not to kill him.
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** This is also why Lex has to have other Supermen battle each other. Clark-167 casually tossed it into a field on the Kent-167 farm.
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*** The "Bat of the Future" destined to be the Paragon of Courage is actually Kate, whose Batwoman costume has the same color scheme (mostly black, with a red bat-logo on the chest) of the new Batman of ''Batman Beyond'', Terry [=McGinnis=].
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* AmbiguousTimePeriod: The ''Smallville'' portion of the episode, with regards to the original series. The GrandFinale of that series contains a 7 year TimeSkip from 2011 (the year the episode aired, and in turn, that the majority of it takes place in) to 2018, where we learn that Lois and Clark have made their final wedding preparations. Upon their cameo in ''Crisis On Inifinite Earths'', dialogue reveals that roughly ten years have passed; the two have visibly aged and are now parents, and as mentioned above, Clark has chosen to live as a mortal man and raise his children. If we assume that Clark's depowering was a relatively recent occurrence, this would mean he was Superman for nearly 20 years before retiring. However, contrasting this is his reference to President Lex Luthor, which would set the time period somewhere between Lex's election in 2018 and the end of his final presidential term in 2026. The fact that in the United States [[https://www.huffpost.com/entry/forms-of-address-how-to-a_b_2390778 it is customary]] to continue to refer to all living former presidents as "Mr. President" or "President [last name]" only muddies the waters further.

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* AmbiguousTimePeriod: The ''Smallville'' portion of the episode, with regards to the original series. The GrandFinale of that series contains a 7 year TimeSkip from 2011 (the year the episode aired, and in turn, that the majority of it takes place in) to 2018, where we learn that Lois and Clark have made their final wedding preparations. Upon their cameo in ''Crisis On Inifinite Earths'', dialogue reveals that roughly ten years have passed; the two have visibly aged and are now parents, and as mentioned above, Clark has chosen to give up his powers in order to live as a mortal man and raise his children. If we assume that Clark's depowering was a relatively recent occurrence, this would mean he was Superman for nearly 20 years before retiring. However, contrasting this is his reference to President Lex Luthor, which would set the time period somewhere between Lex's election in 2018 and the end of his final presidential term in 2026. The fact that in the United States [[https://www.huffpost.com/entry/forms-of-address-how-to-a_b_2390778 it is customary]] to continue to refer to all living former presidents as "Mr. President" or "President [last name]" only muddies the waters further.
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** Offscreen, Felicity has somehow earned the wisdom of a magic book called the Tome of the Guardians, comparable to the Book of Destiny.

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** Offscreen, Felicity has somehow earned the wisdom of a magic book called the Tome of the Guardians, comparable to the Book of Destiny.
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* SelfDisposingVillain: Earth-99's Bruce Wayne is accidentally electrocuted during his scuffle with Kara and Kate, both of whom [[ThouShaltNotKill obviously had no intention of killing him]].

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* SelfDisposingVillain: Earth-99's Bruce Wayne is accidentally electrocuted during his scuffle with Kara and Kate, both of whom [[ThouShaltNotKill obviously had no intention of killing him]].him]] despite being beyond disgusted with the bastard at this point.

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* NoodleIncident: Earth-96 Superman says that this is the second time he's fought another version of himself.

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Earth-96 Superman says that this is the second time he's fought another version of himself.himself.
** Offscreen, Felicity has somehow earned the wisdom of a magic book called the Tome of the Guardians, comparable to the Book of Destiny.
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* AmbiguousTimePeriod: The ''Smallville'' portion of the episode, with regards to the original series. The GrandFinale of that series contains a 7 year TimeSkip from 2011 (the year the episode aired, and in turn, that the majority of it takes place in) to 2018, where we learn that Lois and Clark have made their final wedding preparations. Upon their cameo in ''Crisis On Inifinite Earths'', dialogue reveals that roughly ten years have passed; the two have visibly aged and are now parents, and as mentioned above, Clark has chosen to live as a mortal man and raise his children. If we assume that Clark's depowering was a relatively recent occurrence, this would mean he was Superman for nearly 20 years before retiring. However, contrasting this is his reference to President Lex Luthor, which would set the time period somewhere between Lex's election in 2018 and the end of his final presidential term in 2026. Or it's possible that this was a use of AmbiguousSyntax and Clark was using the title of "President" ironically.

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* AmbiguousTimePeriod: The ''Smallville'' portion of the episode, with regards to the original series. The GrandFinale of that series contains a 7 year TimeSkip from 2011 (the year the episode aired, and in turn, that the majority of it takes place in) to 2018, where we learn that Lois and Clark have made their final wedding preparations. Upon their cameo in ''Crisis On Inifinite Earths'', dialogue reveals that roughly ten years have passed; the two have visibly aged and are now parents, and as mentioned above, Clark has chosen to live as a mortal man and raise his children. If we assume that Clark's depowering was a relatively recent occurrence, this would mean he was Superman for nearly 20 years before retiring. However, contrasting this is his reference to President Lex Luthor, which would set the time period somewhere between Lex's election in 2018 and the end of his final presidential term in 2026. Or it's possible The fact that this was a use of AmbiguousSyntax and Clark was using in the title of "President" ironically.United States [[https://www.huffpost.com/entry/forms-of-address-how-to-a_b_2390778 it is customary]] to continue to refer to all living former presidents as "Mr. President" or "President [last name]" only muddies the waters further.
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-->'''Sara:''' Guess you were gonna get this scar eventually, Hex.

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-->'''Sara:''' --->'''Sara:''' Guess you were gonna get this scar eventually, Hex.
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* TimeForPlanB: After the unexpected loss of Oliver, the Monitor traveled back to the [[Series/Elseworlds2018 Elseworlds incident]] to recover the Book of Destiny before it was destroyed, in order to learn how to stop the Anti-Monitor. Barry even says "So, Plan B".

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* TimeForPlanB: After the unexpected loss of Oliver, the Monitor traveled back to the [[Series/Elseworlds2018 Elseworlds incident]] Incident]] to recover the Book of Destiny before it was destroyed, in order to learn how to stop the Anti-Monitor. Barry even says "So, Plan B".
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* AnAxeToGrind: Subverted. The Earth-167 Clark is serenely chopping wood when he is interrupted by Iris, Lois, and Clark, and continues holding the axe when Lex accosts him. It seems as if he's going to attack Lex with it, but instead just dismisses Lex and puts the axe down. When Lex chooses to attack while Clark is momentarily distracted, Clark manages to catch the incoming punch before slugging Lex in the face in return.

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* AnAxeToGrind: Subverted. The Earth-167 Clark is serenely chopping wood when he is interrupted by Iris, Lois, and Clark, and continues holding the axe when Lex accosts him. It seems as if he's going to attack Lex with it, but instead just dismisses Lex and puts the axe down. When Lex chooses to attack while Clark is momentarily distracted, Clark manages to catch the incoming punch before slugging Lex in the face in return.
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* AmbiguousSituation: Regarding the [[DePower depowering]] of Tom Welling's Clark Kent. On the one hand, while '' {{Series/Smallville}}'' suggested that Clark's lifespan exceeds that of a normal human on more than one occasion, that show also demonstrated multiple methods of depowering that were voluntary and temporary, and the finale introduced a permanent option that he was against. On the other hand, his syntax in this episode is ambiguous enough to suggest that it may be permanent. It seems the writers have left it ambiguous, so that the fans can choose their preferred outcome: Clark can either be permanently retired as a mortal man, or this is a temporary situation and he will don the cape again some day.
* AmbiguousTimePeriod: The ''Smallville'' portion of the episode, with regards to the original series. The GrandFinale of that series contains a 7 year TimeSkip from 2011 (the year the episode aired, and in turn, that the majority of it takes place in) to 2018, where we learn that Lois and Clark have made their final wedding preparations. Upon their cameo in ''Crisis On Inifinite Earths'', dialogue reveals that roughly ten years have passed; the two have visibly aged and are now parents to at least two young daughters, and as mentioned above, Clark has retired from superheroics in order to live as a mortal man and raise his kids. If we assume that Clark's depowering was a relatively recent occurrence, this would mean he was Superman for nearly 20 years before retiring. However, contrasting this is his reference to President Lex Luthor, which would set the time period somewhere between Lex's election in 2018 and the end of his final presidential term in 2026. Or it's possible that this was a use of AmbiguousSyntax and Clark was using the title of "President" ironically.

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* AmbiguousSituation: Regarding the [[DePower depowering]] of Tom Welling's Clark Kent. On the one hand, while '' {{Series/Smallville}}'' suggested that Clark's lifespan exceeds that of a normal human on more than one occasion, that show also demonstrated multiple methods of depowering that were voluntary and temporary, and the series finale introduced a permanent option that he was against. On the other hand, his syntax in this episode is ambiguous enough to suggest that it may be permanent. It seems the writers have left it ambiguous, so that the fans can choose their preferred outcome: Clark can either be permanently retired as a mortal man, or this is a temporary situation and he will don the cape again some day.
* AmbiguousTimePeriod: The ''Smallville'' portion of the episode, with regards to the original series. The GrandFinale of that series contains a 7 year TimeSkip from 2011 (the year the episode aired, and in turn, that the majority of it takes place in) to 2018, where we learn that Lois and Clark have made their final wedding preparations. Upon their cameo in ''Crisis On Inifinite Earths'', dialogue reveals that roughly ten years have passed; the two have visibly aged and are now parents to at least two young daughters, parents, and as mentioned above, Clark has retired from superheroics in order chosen to live as a mortal man and raise his kids.children. If we assume that Clark's depowering was a relatively recent occurrence, this would mean he was Superman for nearly 20 years before retiring. However, contrasting this is his reference to President Lex Luthor, which would set the time period somewhere between Lex's election in 2018 and the end of his final presidential term in 2026. Or it's possible that this was a use of AmbiguousSyntax and Clark was using the title of "President" ironically.
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* AmbiguousTimePeriod: The ''Smallville'' portion of the episode, with regards to the original series. The GrandFinale of that series contains a 7 year TimeSkip from 2011 (the year the episode aired, and in turn, that the majority of it takes place in) to 2018. WordOfGod has stated that Lois and Clark's cameo in ''Crisis On Infinite Earths'' is set a decade into the future of the ''Smallville'' universe, and that the events of the ''Smallville Season 11'' comic book series - which chronicle Clark's early adventures as Superman, beginning six months after he first donned the costume in the Season 10 finale - are considered canon. Furthermore, Lois and Clark have both visibly aged since their last appearance in their parent show (the aforementioned skip to 2018) and have at least two young children. If we assume that Clark's depowering was a relatively recent occurrence, this would mean he was Superman for nearly 20 years before retiring. However, contrasting this is his reference to President Lex Luthor, which would set the time period somewhere between Lex's election in 2018 and the end of his final presidential term in 2026. Or it's possible that this was a use of AmbiguousSyntax and Clark was using the title of "President" ironically.

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* AmbiguousTimePeriod: The ''Smallville'' portion of the episode, with regards to the original series. The GrandFinale of that series contains a 7 year TimeSkip from 2011 (the year the episode aired, and in turn, that the majority of it takes place in) to 2018. WordOfGod has stated 2018, where we learn that Lois and Clark's Clark have made their final wedding preparations. Upon their cameo in ''Crisis On Infinite Earths'' is set a decade into the future of the ''Smallville'' universe, and Inifinite Earths'', dialogue reveals that the events of the ''Smallville Season 11'' comic book series - which chronicle Clark's early adventures as Superman, beginning six months after he first donned the costume in the Season 10 finale - are considered canon. Furthermore, Lois and Clark roughly ten years have both passed; the two have visibly aged since their last appearance in their parent show (the aforementioned skip to 2018) and have are now parents to at least two young children.daughters, and as mentioned above, Clark has retired from superheroics in order to live as a mortal man and raise his kids. If we assume that Clark's depowering was a relatively recent occurrence, this would mean he was Superman for nearly 20 years before retiring. However, contrasting this is his reference to President Lex Luthor, which would set the time period somewhere between Lex's election in 2018 and the end of his final presidential term in 2026. Or it's possible that this was a use of AmbiguousSyntax and Clark was using the title of "President" ironically.
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* MetaTwist: Earth-99 seems to be built up as the universe of ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' given the designation '99' (1999 being the premiere year of the series) and the fact that it supposedly houses the "Bat of the Future". This is gradually revealed to absolutely not be the case whatsoever, given numerous factors: the age difference (Bruce is in his 80s in ''Beyond'', but 60s here), the presence of Luke here but not in ''Beyond'', the complete absence of Terry here, and most importantly, the fact that this Bruce has become a FallenHero. This universe was ultimately [[CanonForeigner invented for this episode alone]], though with some elements subtly adapted from other sources too.

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