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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, Don Diego Vega's SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Many of those comics[[note]]most notably Franchise/{{Batman}}, to the point that almost every mainstream retelling of the [[DeathByOriginStory the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] since Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'' (the lone exception to date being ''Film/BatmanBegins'') shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''[[/note]] were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. Also, some people think Zorro was inspired by ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.

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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, Don Diego Vega's SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, PopCulturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Many of those comics[[note]]most notably Franchise/{{Batman}}, to the point that almost every mainstream retelling of the [[DeathByOriginStory the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] since Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'' (the lone exception to date being ''Film/BatmanBegins'') shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''[[/note]] were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. Also, some people think Zorro was inspired by ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.
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* Creator/RobertSheckley's stories "The Prize of Peril" and "The Seventh Victim" detail a DeadlyGame in which players are trying to compete for popularity and a life-changing money. To do so, the protagonists are put in life-threatening peril. While plenty of others have come up with the various ideas, the idea of the DeadlyGame was something ''quite'' surprising and shocking to viewers. After works such as ''Manga/{{Kaiji}}'', ''Film/WouldYouRather'', ''Manga/AsTheGodsWill'', ''Manga/{{Gantz}}'', and ''Series/SquidGame'', the premise might seem ''quite'' tame!

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* Creator/RobertSheckley's stories "The Prize of Peril" and "The Seventh Victim" detail a DeadlyGame in which players are trying to compete for popularity and a life-changing money. To do so, the protagonists are put in life-threatening peril. While plenty of others have come up with the various ideas, the idea of the DeadlyGame was something ''quite'' surprising and shocking to viewers. After works such as ''Manga/{{Kaiji}}'', ''Film/WouldYouRather'', ''Manga/AsTheGodsWill'', ''Manga/{{Gantz}}'', and ''Series/SquidGame'', the premise might seem ''quite'' tame!
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* LightNovels set in a WizardingSchool (and usually the {{harem|Genre}} hijinks they feature) were a major critical whipping boy during the first half of TheNewTens (and [[ClicheStorm not]] [[FollowTheLeader without reason]]). Because of such a major backlash, series like ''Literature/ACertainMagicalIndex'' and ''LightNovel/InfiniteStratos'' look awfully tired today, when they were some of the first to even establish that genre as a cash cow in the first place. ''Index'', while it does love its harem shenanigans, is an action series first and foremost and largely drops the {{Fanservice}} when it's time to get serious, and its "school" part is largely window dressing as most non-{{Filler}} arcs ''don't even take place in school''. ''IS'', on the other hand, is a largely light-hearted {{ecchi}} harem, with the titular {{Mecha}} really only used as window dressing, therefore all the {{Fanservice}} fits with its tone, and doesn't seem out of place. However, both, due to the CriticalBacklash, have fallen victim to the same "hate on principle" as their predecessors, even though they were the ones that all the others copied in the first place.

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* LightNovels set in a WizardingSchool (and usually the {{harem|Genre}} hijinks they feature) were a major critical whipping boy during the first half of TheNewTens (and [[ClicheStorm not]] [[FollowTheLeader without reason]]). Because of such a major backlash, series like ''Literature/ACertainMagicalIndex'' and ''LightNovel/InfiniteStratos'' ''Literature/InfiniteStratos'' look awfully tired today, when they were some of the first to even establish that genre as a cash cow in the first place. ''Index'', while it does love its harem shenanigans, is an action series first and foremost and largely drops the {{Fanservice}} when it's time to get serious, and its "school" part is largely window dressing as most non-{{Filler}} arcs ''don't even take place in school''. ''IS'', on the other hand, is a largely light-hearted {{ecchi}} harem, with the titular {{Mecha}} really only used as window dressing, therefore all the {{Fanservice}} fits with its tone, and doesn't seem out of place. However, both, due to the CriticalBacklash, have fallen victim to the same "hate on principle" as their predecessors, even though they were the ones that all the others copied in the first place.
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* Creator/BeverlyCleary's ''Literature/HenryHuggins'' and ''Literature/RamonaQuimby'' series were quite unusual in several ways:
** The Ramona series was a spinoff of the Henry Huggins series, being somewhat of a perspective flip. Both series took place in the same neighbourhood and followed the same characters, just that the perspective flipped from Henry and his family to Ramona and her family. One didn't need to read the other books - but it sure helped since they would be familiar with the characters. The series were able to stand on their own. These days, a SpinOff novel series isn't really that [[JustForPun novel]], it can be hard to appreciate just how interesting this was.
** The books themselves were intended to be humorous and depict ParentsAsPeople. Despite some of the wacky hijinks that ensued, the ''Ramona'' series actually had the characters talk about issues young children would face - such as needing to take responsibilities for housework themselves, moving to a new house, starting at a new school, parents losing jobs, and facing a reality of simply getting older and how things will change. A modern reader who grew up on things such as ''Literature/DiaryOfAWimpyKid'' might see these books as almost unrealistically tame.


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** Similarly, the fact that its supplementary material existed was actually ''quite'' novel during the TurnOfTheMillennium. A SpinOff wasn't new by any means, but it was part of a MythArc and not quite capable of standing on its own like most others were.
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* Many novels and stories by Creator/HGWells contain what seem like very dated, unambitious and dull uses of sci-fi devices. For example, in ''Literature/TheTimeMachine'', the time traveller simply goes to the future, has a look at what it's like... and then comes back home again. However, Wells one of the earlier examples of an author who wrote what we would now consider to be scifi, to the extent that the term 'science fiction' did not exist - Wells himself invented the term 'scientific romance' to describe his works). This can be applied equally to many other early sci-fi works. Also, Wells is famous for inventing ''nearly every other sci-fi trope'' and inputting them in his stories. Said devices are now part of nearly every novel, comic, video game, movie and anime that has science fiction elements.

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* Many novels and stories by Creator/HGWells contain what seem like very dated, unambitious and dull uses of sci-fi devices. For example, in ''Literature/TheTimeMachine'', the time traveller simply goes to the future, has a look at what it's like... and then comes back home again. However, Wells one of the earlier examples of an author who wrote what we would now consider to be scifi, to the extent that the term 'science fiction' did not exist - Wells himself invented the term 'scientific romance' to describe his works).works. This can be applied equally to many other early sci-fi works. Also, Wells is famous for inventing ''nearly every other sci-fi trope'' and inputting them in his stories. Said devices are now part of nearly every novel, comic, video game, movie and anime that has science fiction elements.
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* ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'' nowadays seems ''just'' like a lot of other books you have probably read several times by now. Kids discovering a mysterious pathway to another world, finding their arrival to this strange new world to be predicted in prophecy, some of the residents are pleased to find them, while others want them all dead, and soon everyone embarks on a large adventure to save the world... Yeah, it doesn't sound too original today. Oh, and as for Biblical references? ''* Yawn* ''. Name something today that ''doesn't'' [[FauxSymbolism draw from]] Literature/TheBible heavily.

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* ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'' nowadays seems ''just'' like a lot of other books you have probably read several times by now. Kids discovering a mysterious pathway to another world, finding their arrival to this strange new world to be predicted in prophecy, some of the residents are pleased to find them, while others want them all dead, and soon everyone embarks on a large adventure to save the world... Yeah, it doesn't sound too original today. Oh, and as for Biblical references? ''* Yawn* ''*Yawn* ''. Name something today that ''doesn't'' [[FauxSymbolism draw from]] Literature/TheBible heavily.
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* ''Literature/TheLeatherstockingTales'' by James Fenimore Cooper not only put America on the literary map, but also pioneered a positive portrayal of Native Americans in adventure fiction, which got Cooper quite a bit of flak from contemporary American politicians, who at the time were pursuing an active policy of driving Indians from land that white Americans wanted. But since ''The Leatherstocking Tales'' are written in the style of Romanticism (which dramatically fell out of fashion with the rise of literary Realism), since the "NobleSavage" is now often viewed with suspicion, and since so many of Cooper's plot elements were reused by other writers of Western and general adventure fiction, he is now often viewed as trite, at least in his native America. Even before the 19th century was up, Creator/MarkTwain was excoriating Cooper as an overrated hack writer in his famous 1895 essay "Literature/FenimoreCoopersLiteraryOffences".

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* ''Literature/TheLeatherstockingTales'' by James Fenimore Cooper not only put America on the literary map, but also pioneered a positive portrayal of Native Americans in adventure fiction, which got Cooper quite a bit of flak from contemporary American politicians, who at the time were pursuing an active policy of driving Indians from land that white Americans wanted. But since ''The Leatherstocking Tales'' are written in the style of Romanticism (which dramatically fell out of fashion with the rise of literary Realism), since the "NobleSavage" is now often viewed with suspicion, and since so many of Cooper's plot elements were reused by other writers of Western and general adventure fiction, he is now often viewed as trite, at least in his native America. Even before the 19th century was up, Creator/MarkTwain was excoriating Cooper as an overrated hack writer in his famous 1895 essay "Literature/FenimoreCoopersLiteraryOffences"."Literature/FenimoreCoopersLiteraryOffenses".

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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, [[{{RichIdiotWithNoDayJob}} Don Diego Vega]]'s SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Many of those comics[[note]]most notably Franchise/{{Batman}}, to the point that almost every mainstream retelling of the [[{{DeathByOriginStory}} the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] since Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'' ( the lone exception to date being ''Film/BatmanBegins'') shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''[[/note]] were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. And some people think Zorro was inspired by ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.

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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, [[{{RichIdiotWithNoDayJob}} Don Diego Vega]]'s Vega's SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Many of those comics[[note]]most notably Franchise/{{Batman}}, to the point that almost every mainstream retelling of the [[{{DeathByOriginStory}} [[DeathByOriginStory the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] since Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'' ( the (the lone exception to date being ''Film/BatmanBegins'') shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''[[/note]] were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. And Also, some people think Zorro was inspired by ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.
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* LightNovels set in a WizardingSchool (and usually the {{harem|Genre}} hijinks they feature) were a major critical whipping boy during the first half of TheNewTens (and [[ClicheStorm not]] [[FollowTheLeader without reason]]). Because of such a major backlash, series like ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' and ''LightNovel/InfiniteStratos'' look awfully tired today, when they were some of the first to even establish that genre as a cash cow in the first place. ''Index'', while it does love its harem shenanigans, is an action series first and foremost and largely drops the {{Fanservice}} when it's time to get serious, and its "school" part is largely window dressing as most non-{{Filler}} arcs ''don't even take place in school''. ''IS'', on the other hand, is a largely light-hearted {{ecchi}} harem, with the titular {{Mecha}} really only used as window dressing, therefore all the {{Fanservice}} fits with its tone, and doesn't seem out of place. However, both, due to the CriticalBacklash, have fallen victim to the same "hate on principle" as their predecessors, even though they were the ones that all the others copied in the first place.

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* LightNovels set in a WizardingSchool (and usually the {{harem|Genre}} hijinks they feature) were a major critical whipping boy during the first half of TheNewTens (and [[ClicheStorm not]] [[FollowTheLeader without reason]]). Because of such a major backlash, series like ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' ''Literature/ACertainMagicalIndex'' and ''LightNovel/InfiniteStratos'' look awfully tired today, when they were some of the first to even establish that genre as a cash cow in the first place. ''Index'', while it does love its harem shenanigans, is an action series first and foremost and largely drops the {{Fanservice}} when it's time to get serious, and its "school" part is largely window dressing as most non-{{Filler}} arcs ''don't even take place in school''. ''IS'', on the other hand, is a largely light-hearted {{ecchi}} harem, with the titular {{Mecha}} really only used as window dressing, therefore all the {{Fanservice}} fits with its tone, and doesn't seem out of place. However, both, due to the CriticalBacklash, have fallen victim to the same "hate on principle" as their predecessors, even though they were the ones that all the others copied in the first place.



* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'': Touma's [[GameBreaker absurdly broken power,]] [[UnderdogsNeverLose seeming inability to lose]] and [[KirkSummation constant moral preaching]] will get on your nerves quickly, but he was one of the {{Trope Codifier}}s for the StockLightNovelHero and in fact, in the modern day where {{Showy Invincible Hero}}es are the norm for light novels, looks downright {{subver|tedTrope}}sive. Both his incredible power and his incredible goodness are given concrete, in-universe explanations and are noticed, pointed out, and played with, which is far more than most light novel heroes in this day and age get.

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* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'': ''Literature/ACertainMagicalIndex'': Touma's [[GameBreaker absurdly broken power,]] [[UnderdogsNeverLose seeming inability to lose]] and [[KirkSummation constant moral preaching]] will get on your nerves quickly, but he was one of the {{Trope Codifier}}s for the StockLightNovelHero and in fact, in the modern day where {{Showy Invincible Hero}}es are the norm for light novels, looks downright {{subver|tedTrope}}sive. Both his incredible power and his incredible goodness are given concrete, in-universe explanations and are noticed, pointed out, and played with, which is far more than most light novel heroes in this day and age get.
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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, [[{{RichIdiotWithNoDayJob}} Don Diego Vega]]'s SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Many of those comics[[note]]most notably Franchise/{{Batman}}, to the point that almost every mainstream retelling of the [[{{DeathByOriginStory}} the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] since Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'' (except for ''Film/BatmanBegins'') shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''[[/note]] were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. And some people think Zorro was inspired by ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.

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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, [[{{RichIdiotWithNoDayJob}} Don Diego Vega]]'s SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Many of those comics[[note]]most notably Franchise/{{Batman}}, to the point that almost every mainstream retelling of the [[{{DeathByOriginStory}} the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] since Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'' (except for ( the lone exception to date being ''Film/BatmanBegins'') shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''[[/note]] were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. And some people think Zorro was inspired by ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.
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* ''Literature/LostSouls''. While Creator/PoppyZBrite's novel probably didn't originate of a lot of vampire clichés - bisexual, seductive vampires, New Orleans, Goths, HoYay - these tropes were a lot fresher when he and Creator/AnneRice wrote their books.

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* ''Literature/LostSouls''.''Literature/LostSouls1992''. While Creator/PoppyZBrite's novel probably didn't originate of a lot of vampire clichés - bisexual, seductive vampires, New Orleans, Goths, HoYay - these tropes were a lot fresher when he and Creator/AnneRice wrote their books.
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* Creator/RobertSheckley's stories "The Prize of Peril" and "The Seventh Victim" detail a DeadlyGame in which players are trying to compete for popularity and a life-changing money. To do so, the protagonists are put in life-threatening peril. While plenty of others have come up with the various ideas, the idea of the DeadlyGame was something ''quite'' surprising and shocking to viewers. After works such as ''Manga/{{Kaiji}}'', ''Film/WouldYouRather'', ''Manga/AsTheGodsWill'', ''Manga/{{Gantz}}'', and ''LiveActionTV/SquidGame'', the premise might seem ''quite'' tame!

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* Creator/RobertSheckley's stories "The Prize of Peril" and "The Seventh Victim" detail a DeadlyGame in which players are trying to compete for popularity and a life-changing money. To do so, the protagonists are put in life-threatening peril. While plenty of others have come up with the various ideas, the idea of the DeadlyGame was something ''quite'' surprising and shocking to viewers. After works such as ''Manga/{{Kaiji}}'', ''Film/WouldYouRather'', ''Manga/AsTheGodsWill'', ''Manga/{{Gantz}}'', and ''LiveActionTV/SquidGame'', ''Series/SquidGame'', the premise might seem ''quite'' tame!
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* Creator/RobertSheckley's stories "The Prize of Peril" and "The Seventh Victim" detail a DeadlyGame in which players are trying to compete for popularity and a life-changing money. To do so, the protagonists are put in life-threatening peril. While plenty of others have come up with the various ideas, the idea of the DeadlyGame was something ''quite'' surprising and shocking to viewers. After works such as ''Manga/{{Kaiji}}'', ''Film/WouldYouRather'', ''Manga/AsTheGodsWill'', ''Manga/{{Gantz}}'', and ''LiveActionTV/SquidGame'', the premise might seem ''quite'' tame!
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* ''Literature/MariaWatchesOverUs'' is gradually getting there; the series had a huge influence on the YuriGenre, but it's also been copied and especially parodied mercilessly, to the point where viewers suspect it to be a parody ''itself''. Admittedly, the romantic entanglements between the girls of the depicted all-girl school do get rather fluffy and melodramatic at times, but it's mostly kept in check by the tight storytelling and outstanding voice-acting in the anime adaptation.
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* ''Literature/SisterPrincess'' seems to be an incredibly cliche series nowadays, particular if one is already familiar with other series from the HaremGenre. However, it's one of the TropeCodifier of "otherworldly harem" series.
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* LightNovels set in a WizardingSchool (and usually the {{harem|Genre}} hijinks they feature) were a major critical whipping boy during the first half of TheNewTens (and [[ClicheStorm not]] [[FollowTheLeader without reason]]). Because of such a major backlash, series like ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' and ''LightNovel/InfiniteStratos'' look awfully tired today, when they were some of the first to even establish that genre as a cash cow in the first place. ''Index'', while it does love its harem shenanigans, is an action series first and foremost and largely drops the {{Fanservice}} when it's time to get serious, and its "school" part is largely window dressing as most non-{{Filler}} arcs ''don't even take place in school''. ''IS'', on the other hand, is a largely light-hearted {{ecchi}} harem, with the titular {{Mecha}} really only used as window dressing, therefore all the {{Fanservice}} fits with its tone, and doesn't seem out of place. However, both, due to the CriticalBacklash, have fallen victim to the same "hate on principle" as their predecessors, even though they were the ones that all the others copied in the first place.
** ''Literature/{{Maburaho}}'' is even worse in that regard; any reader today would see the tired WizardingSchool setting, the bland protagonist, and the harem of girls competing for his attention for [[StrangledByTheRedString rather flimsy reasons]], assume it to be a product of the early [=2010s=] and tune out quickly, but the novels began publication in 2000 and the anime adaptation first aired in 2003, well before light novels of this genre even became popular. It also has a host of character driven {{Story Arc}}s, which is more than can be said of those that follow it.


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* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'': Touma's [[GameBreaker absurdly broken power,]] [[UnderdogsNeverLose seeming inability to lose]] and [[KirkSummation constant moral preaching]] will get on your nerves quickly, but he was one of the {{Trope Codifier}}s for the StockLightNovelHero and in fact, in the modern day where {{Showy Invincible Hero}}es are the norm for light novels, looks downright {{subver|tedTrope}}sive. Both his incredible power and his incredible goodness are given concrete, in-universe explanations and are noticed, pointed out, and played with, which is far more than most light novel heroes in this day and age get.


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* ''Literature/HaruhiSuzumiya'':
** The series as a whole has fallen into this, despite its explosive popularity during the late 2000s thanks to its anime adaptation. While it initially drew in a lot of fans due to its GenreBusting of various anime genres and character archetypes, its plot and jokes have been [[FollowTheLeader copied by many other series to cash in on its success]], along with the WolverinePublicity of the character. Nowadays, most newcomers look back on the series and are unable to understand what made it so special, especially after the sharp decline in its popularity following [[ArcFatigue how the anime handled the infamous Endless Eight Arc]].
** Main viewpoint character Kyon is also an example on his own; he essentially [[TropeCodifier codified]] the StockLightNovelEveryman and his [[DeadpanSnarker sarcastic, self-aware personality]] and [[LemonyNarrator narration]] were considered witty and refreshing when the series first became popular, but after years of very similar protagonists in other light novel series his character doesn't seem particularly groundbreaking.
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** They also are perhaps some of the ''earliest'' examples of WorldBuilding and TrappedInAnotherWorld, amongst many other tropes. Reading them today, they can come off as very simplistic, sometimes hard to digest due to how Baum wrote, and full of [[NewRulesAsThePlotDemands inconsistent logic]], [[DeusExMachina Deus ex Machinas]], and [[MarySueTopia a load of characters who never seem to struggle to get what they want]]. However it's important to note that these books were written in the 1900s to the 1920s (by Baum at least) - ''long'' before many of the books that popularised fantasy were written. (The last one predates The Hobbit by ''a decade''.)

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** They also are perhaps some of the ''earliest'' examples of WorldBuilding and TrappedInAnotherWorld, amongst many other tropes. Reading them today, they can come off as very simplistic, sometimes hard to digest due to how Baum wrote, and full of [[NewRulesAsThePlotDemands inconsistent logic]], [[DeusExMachina Deus ex Machinas]], and [[MarySueTopia a load of characters who never seem to struggle to get what they want]].want. However it's important to note that these books were written in the 1900s to the 1920s (by Baum at least) - ''long'' before many of the books that popularised fantasy were written. (The last one predates The Hobbit by ''a decade''.)
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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, [[{{RichIdiotWithNoDayJob}} Don Diego Vega]]'s SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Many of those comics[[note]]most notably Franchise/{{Batman}}, to the point that almost every mainstream retelling of the [[{{DeathByOriginStory}} the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] since Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'' (except for {{Film/BatmanBegins}}) shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''[[/note]] were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. And some people think Zorro was inspired by ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.

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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, [[{{RichIdiotWithNoDayJob}} Don Diego Vega]]'s SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Many of those comics[[note]]most notably Franchise/{{Batman}}, to the point that almost every mainstream retelling of the [[{{DeathByOriginStory}} the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] since Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'' (except for {{Film/BatmanBegins}}) ''Film/BatmanBegins'') shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''[[/note]] were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. And some people think Zorro was inspired by ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.
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* ''Literature/ASoundOfThunder'', a short story by Creator/RayBradbury, was about time travelers who went back to prehistoric times, [[ButterflyOfDoom killed a butterfly]], and [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel accidently caused a fascist candidate to win the presidential elections]]. Which was a really original plot, when it was written. However, those story elements are so trite now that when the movie loosely based on the story was made, it was criticized for using old, tired cliches.

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* ''Literature/ASoundOfThunder'', a short story by Creator/RayBradbury, was about time travelers who went back to prehistoric times, [[ButterflyOfDoom killed a butterfly]], and [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel accidently accidentally caused a fascist candidate to win the presidential elections]]. Which was a really original plot, when it was written. However, those story elements are so trite now that when the movie loosely based on the story was made, it was criticized for using old, tired cliches.

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* While ''Literature/SalemsLot'' is still considered to be one of King's best books, after almost fifty years of Stephen King novels, the way he brings a whole community to life and weaves them into his horror plot can feel less novel and unique.


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* While Creator/IsaacAsimov is still widely respected for his massive influence on the science-fiction genre, his works can seem pretty dated and hokey today--largely because almost ''every'' subsequent sci-fi author has made use of the speculative concepts that he helped to popularize. Strangely enough, though, easily the most groundbreaking aspect of his work is also the one that can seem the least remarkable to modern readers: most of his sci-fi works also incorporate elements of ''other'' genres (e.g. mystery, comedy, political thriller, romance, etc.); Asimov was one of the first sci-fi authors to argue that sci-fi didn't necessarily need to be a genre unto itself, but could be combined with elements of other genres in order to appeal to a more broad audience. When ''Literature/TheCavesOfSteel'' was first published in 1953, the very idea of a {{whodunnit}} murder mystery set in '''the future''' was practically unheard-of.
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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, [[{{RichIdiotWithNoDayJob}} Don Diego Vega]]'s SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Except many of those comics, most notably Franchise/{{Batman}} (to the point that with [[{{Film/BatmanBegins}} one exception to date]] every mainstream retelling of the [[{{DeathByOriginStory}} the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] since Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'' shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''), were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. And even Zorro is believed by many to have been inspired by ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.

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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, [[{{RichIdiotWithNoDayJob}} Don Diego Vega]]'s SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Except many Many of those comics, most comics[[note]]most notably Franchise/{{Batman}} (to Franchise/{{Batman}}, to the point that with [[{{Film/BatmanBegins}} one exception to date]] almost every mainstream retelling of the [[{{DeathByOriginStory}} the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] since Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'' (except for {{Film/BatmanBegins}}) shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''), ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''[[/note]] were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. And even some people think Zorro is believed by many to have been was inspired by ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.

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*** UrbanFantasy itself was somewhat obscure, and unless you were talking about ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', was mostly buried ''deep'' on the shelves [[SciFiGhetto of Science Fiction and Fantasy books]].



** Harry Potter also had a MythArc - while [[RuleOfThree far from the first to do this]], most childrens book series were [[RandomEventsPlot episodic in nature]] with the occasional passage of time, (But [[NotAllowedToGrowUp not too much]]), with a ''few'' having a well defined MythArc. After books like Harry Potter, ''Literature/TheHungerGames'' and ''Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents'', it's hard to believe just how much this meant back in the day.

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** Harry Potter also had a MythArc - Which, while [[RuleOfThree far from the first to do this]], most childrens childrens' book series were [[RandomEventsPlot episodic in nature]] with the occasional passage of time, (But [[NotAllowedToGrowUp not too much]]), with a ''few'' having a well defined MythArc. After books like Harry Potter, ''Literature/TheHungerGames'' and ''Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents'', it's hard to believe just how much this meant back in the day.
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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, [[{{RichIdiotWithNoDayJob}} Don Diego Vega]]'s SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Except many of those comics, most notably Franchise/{{Batman}} (to the point that with [[{{Film/BatmanBegins}} one exception to date]] every mainstream retelling of the [[{{DeathByOriginStory}} the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''), were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. And even Zorro is believed by many to have been inspired by ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.

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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, [[{{RichIdiotWithNoDayJob}} Don Diego Vega]]'s SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Except many of those comics, most notably Franchise/{{Batman}} (to the point that with [[{{Film/BatmanBegins}} one exception to date]] every mainstream retelling of the [[{{DeathByOriginStory}} the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] since Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'' shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''), were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. And even Zorro is believed by many to have been inspired by ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.
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* ''Literature/TheFlameAndTheFlower''. A romance novel with explicit sex and a ReformedRake falling for TheIngenue? Isn't that basically all of them? Well...for those not in the know, ''The Flame and the Flower'' all but invented the modern bodice ripper. Prior to this book's publication in 1972 romance novels tended to be very chaste, while this one was significantly HotterAndSexier. Its popularity led to it having a huge influence on the genre, with many subsequent romance novels taking inspiration from this one. It's worth noting that parts of the plot haven't aged particularly well (mostly the issues surrounding consent in the romance, which unfortunately got imitated a lot as well) but both better and worse it was hugely influential to the romance genre.
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* While ''Literature/SalemsLot'' is still considered to be one of King's best books, after almost fifty years of Stephen King novels, the way he brings a whole community to life and weaves them into his horror plot can feel less novel and unique.

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* ''Literature/TheBadSeed'' chilled readers to the bone back in 1954. Its story of [[EnfantTerrible a cute, doll-faced little girl who manipulates her peers and ruins their lives]] was at the time pretty much unheard of. It was also important in making people realize that parents aren't always to blame for a child's misconduct. With the advent of later novels like 1962's ''Literature/AClockworkOrange'' and 1993's ''Film/TheGoodSon'', modern readers are less likely to be impacted the same way as the 1950's generation was. As psychology has marched on, the novel's implication that "some people are just born evil" has become highly debatable, and—since this was before the second wave of feminism in the 1960's—its depiction of several mothers as doting housewives has not helped its cause.

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* ''Literature/TheBadSeed'' chilled readers to the bone back in 1954. Its story of [[EnfantTerrible a cute, doll-faced little girl who manipulates her peers and ruins their lives]] was at the time pretty much unheard of. It was also important in making people realize that parents aren't always to blame for a child's misconduct. With the advent of later novels like 1962's ''Literature/AClockworkOrange'' and 1993's ''Film/TheGoodSon'', modern readers are less likely to be impacted the same way as the 1950's 1950s generation was. As psychology has marched on, the novel's implication that "some people are just born evil" has become highly debatable, and—since this was before the second wave of feminism in the 1960's—its 1960s—its depiction of several mothers as doting housewives has not helped its cause.



** There was a Holmes story in which Holmes is sure that he got the right guy, but the guy has an alibi. What could possibly be going on? Can you figure it out? Turns out [[spoiler:the guy had an identical twin.]] [[SarcasmMode Bet you never saw that one coming, did you?]]



* For about ten years or so, Creator/GeorgeRRMartin's ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' was considered the ultimate in subversive epic fantasy. Little to no magic, no elves or dwarves (at least, not fantasy dwarves), profanity, uncensored sex, graphic violence and no PlotArmor for ''anyone''. But it was also a heavily character-driven piece with genuine heart, even if that wasn't always recognized. By the 2010's, it had spawned so many imitators who mainly copied its surface qualities (extreme violence and death, explicit sex) that it no longer feels like anything really different, and is primarily thought of as "that series where everybody dies" due to its at-the-time-unheard-of tendency to kill characters that would usually survive to the end of similar books.
** YMMV, but the reputation can be somewhat exaggerated. Although plenty of minor characters die, not unexpected in a book of [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters so many characters]], only a few were major POV characters- Ned, Catelyn, Jon. After the first book, it would be easy to classify three main POV characters as Tyrion, Daenerys, and Jon Snow. Throughout the first five books, only the last one is killed and will likely be brought back to life (heavily speculated in the books, already occurred in the television show). It's more shocking how often the plot drastically changes with character deaths having major political impacts, which averts the more standard tendency to change the status quo slowly.

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* For about ten years or so, Creator/GeorgeRRMartin's ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' was considered the ultimate in subversive epic fantasy. Little to no magic, no elves or dwarves (at least, not fantasy dwarves), profanity, uncensored sex, graphic violence and no PlotArmor for ''anyone''. But it was also a heavily character-driven piece with genuine heart, even if that wasn't always recognized. By the 2010's, 2010s, it had spawned so many imitators who mainly copied its surface qualities (extreme violence and death, explicit sex) that it no longer feels like anything really different, and is primarily thought of as "that series where everybody dies" due to its at-the-time-unheard-of tendency to kill characters that would usually survive to the end of similar books.
** YMMV, but the reputation can be somewhat exaggerated. Although plenty of minor characters die, not unexpected in a book of [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters so many characters]], only a few were major POV characters- Ned, Catelyn, Jon. After the first book, it would be easy to classify three main POV characters as Tyrion, Daenerys, and Jon Snow. Throughout the first five books, only the last one is killed and will likely be brought back to life (heavily speculated in the books, already occurred in the television show). It's more shocking how often the plot drastically changes with character deaths having major political impacts, which averts the more standard tendency to change the status quo slowly.
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* Nowadays, ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'' by Creator/RobertJordan is considered a horrendously cliched example of how all fantasy books are too long, with series that go on seemingly without end and yet little happens in them. When the first volume was published, in 1991, most fantasy novels were actually quite short, and/or tended to be trilogies or quintets at the very longest. However, he inspired so many other writers to [[{{Padding}} pad out their volumes]] and stretch their stories over ten or twelve volumes that by the 2000's he gets lumped in with those he inspired, often cited as the UrExample, but rarely acknowledged as the man who started the trend.

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* Nowadays, ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'' by Creator/RobertJordan is considered a horrendously cliched example of how all fantasy books are too long, with series that go on seemingly without end and yet little happens in them. When the first volume was published, in 1991, most fantasy novels were actually quite short, and/or tended to be trilogies or quintets at the very longest. However, he inspired so many other writers to [[{{Padding}} pad out their volumes]] and stretch their stories over ten or twelve volumes that by the 2000's 2000s he gets lumped in with those he inspired, often cited as the UrExample, but rarely acknowledged as the man who started the trend.
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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, [[{{RichIdiotWithNoDayJob}} Don Diego Vega]]'s SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Except many of those comics, most notably Franchise/{{Batman}} (to the point that with [[{{Film/BatmanBegins}} one exception to date]] every mainstream retelling of the [[{{DeathByOriginStory}} the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''), were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. And even Zorro may have been inspired by ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.

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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, [[{{RichIdiotWithNoDayJob}} Don Diego Vega]]'s SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Except many of those comics, most notably Franchise/{{Batman}} (to the point that with [[{{Film/BatmanBegins}} one exception to date]] every mainstream retelling of the [[{{DeathByOriginStory}} the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''), were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. And even Zorro may is believed by many to have been inspired by ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.
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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, [[{{RichIdiotWithNoDayJob}} Don Diego Vega]]'s SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Except many of those comics, most notably Franchise/{{Batman}} (to the point that with [[{{Film/BatmanBegins}} one exception to date]] every retelling of the [[{{DeathByOriginStory}} the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''), were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. And even Zorro may have been inspired by ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.

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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, [[{{RichIdiotWithNoDayJob}} Don Diego Vega]]'s SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Except many of those comics, most notably Franchise/{{Batman}} (to the point that with [[{{Film/BatmanBegins}} one exception to date]] every mainstream retelling of the [[{{DeathByOriginStory}} the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''), were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. And even Zorro may have been inspired by ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.
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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, [[{{RichIdiotWithNoDayJob}} Don Diego Vega]]'s SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Except many of those comics, most notably Franchise/{{Batman}} (to the point that with [[{{Film/BatmanBegins}} one exception to date]] every retelling of the [[{{DeathByOriginStory}} the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''), were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. And even Zorro may have been inspired by ''The Scarlet Pimpernel'' and the like.

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* Franchise/{{Zorro}} certainly qualifies. In the original novel, [[{{RichIdiotWithNoDayJob}} Don Diego Vega]]'s SecretIdentity is patently obvious to anyone familiar with basically any superhero comic book at all, including by PopculturalOsmosis, even if they're not familiar with Zorro as a franchise. Except many of those comics, most notably Franchise/{{Batman}} (to the point that with [[{{Film/BatmanBegins}} one exception to date]] every retelling of the [[{{DeathByOriginStory}} the murders of Thomas and Martha Wayne]] shows them leaving a screening of a Zorro movie, usually ''Film/TheMarkOfZorro1940''), were ''inspired'' by Zorro in the first place. And even Zorro may have been inspired by ''The Scarlet Pimpernel'' ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'', Myth/RobinHood, and the like.

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