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** If Cole is in the party, he states with genuine horror that he didn't sense Bull's treacherous intentions. Cole can sense any pain a person has, so the only way The Iron Bull could get surprise him was if he didn't feel ''any'' of guilt or regret over betraying you. All the years working with you, and there was never even a ''moment'' of sorrow over killing you for the cause.

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** If Cole is in the party, he states with genuine horror that he didn't sense Bull's treacherous intentions. Cole can sense any pain a person has, so the only way The Iron Bull could get surprise him was if he didn't feel ''any'' of guilt or regret ''anything'' over betraying you. All For the years working with you, and there acting like your friend, maybe even your lover? There was never even a ''moment'' of sorrow over killing you regret for the cause.Cole to pick up on.
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** If Cole is in the party, he states with genuine horror that he didn't sense Bull's treacherous intentions. Cole can sense any pain a person has, so the only way The Iron Bull could get surprise him was if he didn't feel ''any'' of guilt or regret over betraying you. All the years working with you, and there was never even a ''moment'' of sorrow over killing you for the cause.
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* Here's one in hindsight - Cassandra says she was trying to find the Hero of Ferelden, if they're alive in the given world state, and make them the Inquisitor per Divine Justinia's request. Corypheus can control Wardens. Therefore, if she ''had'' found the Warden, they could have fallen under Corypheus's control. ''Cassandra would have accidentally screwed over the Warden - and the rest of the entire world.'' Enjoy thinking about how close that came to passing, especially if [[ForWantOfANail Leliana knew where the Warden was and had decided to tell her]].

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* Here's one in hindsight - Cassandra says she was trying to find the Hero of Ferelden, if they're alive in the given world state, and make them the Inquisitor per Divine Justinia's request. Corypheus can control Wardens. Therefore, if she ''had'' found the Warden, they could have fallen under Corypheus's control. ''Cassandra would have accidentally screwed over the Warden - and the rest of the entire world.'' Enjoy thinking about how close that came to passing, especially if [[ForWantOfANail Leliana knew where the Warden was and had decided to tell her]].her.
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* It's strongly implied that the "plague" that wiped out the village in the Fallow Mire was actually the work of a well-meaning would-be herbalist who mistakenly believed that deathroot could be used to treat fevers.

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* It's strongly implied that the "plague" that wiped out the village in the Fallow Mire was actually the work of a well-meaning would-be herbalist who mistakenly believed that deathroot (which is mainly used for poison and cause untold nasties in the body) could be used to treat fevers.
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*** Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). Depending on the Wardens' stance about the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). The Chantry already broke the treaties by having its templars forcing to get Anders back even if he was formally conscripted by the Hero of Ferelden back at ''VideoGame/DragonAgeAwakening'', regardless of one's opinion to Anders, in an objective view, such audacity from the Chantry will truly leave a sour taste in the Warden's mouth. And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, and by Varric's point of view, Cassandra basically kidnapped and him generally made a poor impression to him by acting belligerent and too wrapped up with her preconceived notions throughout the interrogation and it will take no genius for Varric not to tell his captor about his BestFriend. How he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?
*** The worst part of Justinia's plan to make The Warden an inquisitor, is the part when, in VideoGame/DragonAgeII; Nathaniel Howe says that the Wardens have mysterious new allies with a huge knowledge about darkspawn's lore. When Hawke asks if these allies were dwarves in evidence of being darkspawn's experts, Nathaniel says that such unknown allies are not dwarves and the truth is complicated and they live in strange times. After playing VideoGame/DragonAgeOriginsAwakening, the players know that the only group with an expert knowledge of darkspawn's lore, beyond the dwarves and the grey wardens; are the awakened, sapient kind of darkpawns who identifies themselfs as the Disciples, and the wardens have some kind of alliance with them. One wonders if the Hero of Ferelden will use the Disciples to assassinate many of their oppositors and the people don't care because a) nobody knows the existence of truly sapient darkspawns (it seems that the grey wardens make their existence a secret) beyond Corypheus (and he's given a pass because he was once a Tevinter Magister), b) the Disciples themselfs are pretty capable of hiding their traces (ask Velanna) and c) darkspawns' raids are a common occurrence.

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*** Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). Depending on the Wardens' stance about the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). The Chantry already broke the treaties by having its templars forcing to get Anders back even if he was formally conscripted by the Hero of Ferelden back at ''VideoGame/DragonAgeAwakening'', ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOriginsAwakening'', regardless of one's opinion to Anders, in an objective view, such audacity from the Chantry will truly leave a sour taste in the Warden's mouth. And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, and by Varric's point of view, Cassandra basically kidnapped and him generally made a poor impression to him by acting belligerent and too wrapped up with her preconceived notions throughout the interrogation and it will take no genius for Varric not to tell his captor about his BestFriend. How he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?
*** The worst part of Justinia's plan to make The Warden an inquisitor, is the part when, in VideoGame/DragonAgeII; Nathaniel Howe says that the Wardens have mysterious new allies with a huge knowledge about darkspawn's lore. When Hawke asks if these allies were dwarves in evidence of being darkspawn's experts, Nathaniel says that such unknown allies are not dwarves and the truth is complicated and they live in strange times. After playing VideoGame/DragonAgeOriginsAwakening, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOriginsAwakening'', the players know that the only group with an expert knowledge of darkspawn's lore, beyond the dwarves and the grey wardens; are the awakened, sapient kind of darkpawns who identifies themselfs as the Disciples, and the wardens have some kind of alliance with them. One wonders if the Hero of Ferelden will use the Disciples to assassinate many of their oppositors and the people don't care because a) nobody knows the existence of truly sapient darkspawns (it seems that the grey wardens make their existence a secret) beyond Corypheus (and he's given a pass because he was once a Tevinter Magister), b) the Disciples themselfs are pretty capable of hiding their traces (ask Velanna) and c) darkspawns' raids are a common occurrence.
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** If the player recruits the mages, they can also overhear a priest in Haven discussing the time she spent in a Circle. Considering what caused ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'''s finale, she probably wasn't in Kirkwall. In addition, the fact that she doesn't recognize a mage Trevelyan implies that she is not talking about the Ostwick Circle, and the lack of an Orlesian accent indicates that she is not referring to the White Spire or Montsimmard. So that's a ''fifth'' Circle where the Seekers dropped the ball.

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** If the player recruits the mages, they can also overhear a priest (who is clearly a pro-mage and anti-templar) in Haven discussing the time she spent in a Circle. Considering what caused ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'''s finale, she probably wasn't in Kirkwall. In addition, the fact that she doesn't recognize a mage Trevelyan implies that she is not talking about the Ostwick Circle, and the lack of an Orlesian accent indicates that she is not referring to the White Spire or Montsimmard. So that's a ''fifth'' Circle where the Seekers dropped the ball.
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** Even if you didn't do his personal quest, he will still betray the Inquisition. Come to think of it, when he will face another demand from the Qun, who and what would stop him to choose the Qun over the Chargers this time if he ever managed to survive his ordeal against the Inquisitor?
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* By itself, the Exalted Plains is pretty much a DaylightHorror wonderland, with half the map consisting of ruined battlefields filled with corpses, some lying on the ground and others ''walking,'' with the accompanying music being something comparable to long, dreadful chord combined with an eerie, low humming sound... but then you unlock Citadelle du Corbeau. Citadelle du Corbeau is an Orlesian fort built out of the ruins of an old Elven facility, and still contains quite a bit of evidence of the former occupants, including the ''still functional elven superweapon'' topping the fort. That creepy humming you heard on the battlefields? In here it becomes the hum of the weapon as it scours the open areas of the fortification, incinerating anyone caught in its beam. Perhaps the worst part comes, however, when you get to the top of the fort and discover ''piles'' of dead bodies heaped against the door. Turns out that when the corpses attacked, the soldiers activated the superweapon, unaware of what it did. Not only did it power up the weapon, it put the fort on a lockdown; anyone not lucky enough to get inside before the doors closed on their own were locked outside and killed by the weapon's beam or the corpses, or both. The worst part? Most of the bodies are dressed in ''non-military'' clothes. The commander of the fort is ''deeply'' traumatized by the deaths, not only because of how many innocents were killed, but because she and the others trapped inside were forced to listen to them die.

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* By itself, the Exalted Plains is pretty much a DaylightHorror horror wonderland, with half the map consisting of ruined battlefields filled with corpses, some lying on the ground and others ''walking,'' walking, with the accompanying music being something comparable to long, dreadful chord combined with an eerie, low humming sound... but then you unlock Citadelle du Corbeau. Citadelle du Corbeau is an Orlesian fort built out of the ruins of an old Elven facility, and still contains quite a bit of evidence of the former occupants, including the ''still functional elven superweapon'' topping the fort. That creepy humming you heard on the battlefields? In here it becomes the hum of the weapon as it scours the open areas of the fortification, incinerating anyone caught in its beam. Perhaps the worst part comes, however, when you get to the top of the fort and discover ''piles'' of dead bodies heaped against the door. Turns out that when the corpses attacked, the soldiers activated the superweapon, unaware of what it did. Not only did it power up the weapon, it put the fort on a lockdown; anyone not lucky enough to get inside before the doors closed on their own were locked outside and killed by the weapon's beam or the corpses, or both. The worst part? Most of the bodies are dressed in ''non-military'' clothes. The commander of the fort is ''deeply'' traumatized by the deaths, not only because of how many innocents were killed, but because she and the others trapped inside were forced to listen to them die.
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* In the Emerald Graves, there's the [[HauntedHouse Chateau d'Onterre]], which has a tragic, nightmarish backstory that puts [[VideoGame/DragonAgeII Bartrand's estate]] to shame. There is no music, just a persistent, hollow background noise. Some areas of the manor are [[DaylightHorror awash with sunlight through the windows]], while others are pitch-dark save for the occasional candles and fireplaces lighting themselves as you approach. Walking corpses shamble quietly through the rooms, turning up in parts of the house you thought you'd cleared or creeping up on you if you remain in one place.

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* In the Emerald Graves, there's the [[HauntedHouse Chateau d'Onterre]], which has a tragic, nightmarish backstory that puts [[VideoGame/DragonAgeII Bartrand's estate]] to shame. There is no music, just a persistent, hollow background noise. Some areas of the manor are [[DaylightHorror awash with sunlight through the windows]], windows, while others are pitch-dark save for the occasional candles and fireplaces lighting themselves as you approach. Walking corpses shamble quietly through the rooms, turning up in parts of the house you thought you'd cleared or creeping up on you if you remain in one place.
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* In Crestwood, once you seal the Fade rift in the lake, you discover that the Mayor ordered Old Crestwood flooded because refugees contracted the taint and were spreading it through the town. Companions can acknowledge that they get the cold logic of his actions, but everyone admits it'd be a pretty horrible way to die.

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* In Crestwood, once you seal the Fade rift in the lake, you discover that the Mayor ordered Old Crestwood flooded because refugees contracted the taint and were spreading it through the town. Companions can acknowledge that they get the cold logic of his actions, actions since there is no known cure for the Taint, but everyone admits it'd be a pretty horrible way to die.



* In the Emprise du Lion, you meet an elderly woman in a devastated village who admits that your enemies are there because she sold a quarry to them. Why did she sell it? Because the war had resulted in lower demand for stone and she could no longer feed the town, and these people led her to believe that they could get the quarry back up and running and get the town back on its feet. Turns out, they were less interested in rock than they were in Red Lyrium and they started using the blood of townsfolk to help grow the Red Lyrium faster. And when they ran out of miners, they went to the town to claim more.... and went to the former owner to ask for recommendations. At that point, she offered up the names of the sick and elderly in exchange for supplies that she passed around to the living.

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* In the Emprise du Lion, similar to the situation at Crestwood, you meet an elderly woman in a devastated village who admits that your enemies are there because she sold a quarry to them. Why did she sell it? Because the war had resulted in lower demand for stone and she could no longer feed the town, and these people led her to believe that they could get the quarry back up and running and get the town back on its feet. Turns out, they were less interested in rock than they were in Red Lyrium and they started using the blood of townsfolk to help grow the Red Lyrium faster. And when they ran out of miners, they went to the town to claim more.... and went to the former owner to ask for recommendations. At that point, she offered up the names of the sick and elderly in exchange for supplies that she passed around to the living.

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* You can find a Codex entry in Valammar called "A Different Darkspawn?", which tells the story of a group of Dwarven smugglers trying to find the guy who has the keys to their cache. When they do find him, instead of him being dead, he apparently was found and cared for by a talking darkspawn like Corypheus or The Architect. The guy writing the note remembers a story passed down from his grandfather's grandfather about three talking darkspawn, dressed like kings and arguing with each other about "a city gone black". They ended up fighting each other and one ran while the second ate the third one. Give this a little thought: Not only did three other darkspawn magisters like Corypheus survive, but, assuming they are capable of killing each other, there could be another two running around the Deep Roads somewhere and, assuming the legends that there were seven are true, another three entirely unaccounted for. Even worse, if the InUniverse speculation of an eighth old god is true, there could be a corresponding eighth magister. Last but not least, WordOfGod [[IKnewIt confirms]] that the player [[VideoGame/DragonAgeOriginsAwakening has already met one of the other magisters]].

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* You can find a Codex entry in Valammar called "A Different Darkspawn?", which tells the story of a group of Dwarven smugglers trying to find the guy who has the keys to their cache. When they do find him, instead of him being dead, he apparently was found and cared for by a talking darkspawn like Corypheus or The Architect. The guy writing the note remembers a story passed down from his grandfather's grandfather about three talking darkspawn, dressed like kings and arguing with each other about "a city gone black". They ended up fighting each other and one ran while the second ate the third one. Give this a little thought: Not only did three other darkspawn magisters like Corypheus survive, but, assuming they are capable of killing each other, there could be another two running around the Deep Roads somewhere and, assuming the legends that there were seven are true, another three entirely unaccounted for. Even worse, if the InUniverse speculation of an eighth old god is true, there could be a corresponding eighth magister. Last but not least, WordOfGod [[IKnewIt confirms]] confirms that the player [[VideoGame/DragonAgeOriginsAwakening has already met one of the other magisters]].
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** Adds an extra layer of fuel if you're playing as a warrior or rogue Trevelyan. They attended the Conclave with a number of their relatives - ''all of whom are now dead''. Even if Trevelyan is a mage, those relatives were still there, just on the opposite side. Some of those charred corpses are probably kin to your Inquisitor. Not to mention they're stated to have several more relatives who are members of the Chantry, including Templars...

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** Adds an extra layer of fuel if you're playing as a warrior or rogue Trevelyan. They attended the Conclave with a number of their relatives - ''all of whom are now dead''. Even if Trevelyan is a mage, those relatives were still there, just on the opposite side. And probably they have friends among the mages back in their Circle. Some of those charred corpses are probably kin to your Inquisitor. Not to mention they're stated to have several more relatives who are members of the Chantry, including Templars...
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* If the Dark Ritual was used back in Origins, Kieran shares the body with Urthemiel's essence. The nightmarish thing is that it's revealed that Kieran seem to have access to Urthemiel's knowledge (his brief mention about the Titans) and memories, including the time he passed ''[[OmnicidalManiac as an Archdemon]]''. Yikes. Also, Kieran has access to Urthemiel's power, allowing him to unlock an Eluvian without it's key and ''redirecting it to the Fade'', something that shocked ''Morrigan'' who declared that doing it requires an unimaginable amount of power. Just how powerful the Old Gods really are?

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* If the Dark Ritual was used back in Origins, Kieran shares the body with Urthemiel's essence. The nightmarish thing is that it's revealed that Kieran seem to have access to Urthemiel's knowledge (his brief mention about the Titans) and memories, including the time he passed ''[[OmnicidalManiac as an Archdemon]]''. Yikes. Also, Kieran has access to Urthemiel's power, allowing him to unlock an Eluvian without it's key and ''redirecting it to the Fade'', something that shocked ''Morrigan'' who declared that doing it requires an unimaginable amount of power. Just how powerful ''are'' the Old Gods really are?Gods?
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*** Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). Depending on the Wardens' stance about the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). The Chantry already disobeyed the treaties by having its templars forcing to get Anders back even if he was formally conscripted by the Hero of Ferelden back at ''VideoGame/DragonAgeAwakening'', regardless of one's opinion to Anders, in an objective view, it will truly leave a sour taste in Warden's mouth. And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, and by Varric's point of view, Cassandra basically kidnapped and him generally made a poor impression to him by acting belligerent and too wrapped up with her preconceived notions throughout the interrogation and it will take no genius for Varric not to tell his captor about his BestFriend. How he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?

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*** Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). Depending on the Wardens' stance about the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). The Chantry already disobeyed broke the treaties by having its templars forcing to get Anders back even if he was formally conscripted by the Hero of Ferelden back at ''VideoGame/DragonAgeAwakening'', regardless of one's opinion to Anders, in an objective view, it such audacity from the Chantry will truly leave a sour taste in the Warden's mouth. And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, and by Varric's point of view, Cassandra basically kidnapped and him generally made a poor impression to him by acting belligerent and too wrapped up with her preconceived notions throughout the interrogation and it will take no genius for Varric not to tell his captor about his BestFriend. How he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?
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*** Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). Depending on the Wardens' stance about the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). The Chantry already disobeyed the treaties by having its templars forcing to get Anders back even if he was formally conscripted by the Hero of Ferelden back at ''VideoGame/DragonAgeAwakening'', regardless of one's opinion to Anders, in an objective view, it will truly leave a sour taste in Warden's mouth. And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, and by Varric's point of view, Cassandra basically kidnapped and him generally made a poor impression to him by acting belligerent and too wrapped up with her preconceived notions, how he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?

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*** Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). Depending on the Wardens' stance about the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). The Chantry already disobeyed the treaties by having its templars forcing to get Anders back even if he was formally conscripted by the Hero of Ferelden back at ''VideoGame/DragonAgeAwakening'', regardless of one's opinion to Anders, in an objective view, it will truly leave a sour taste in Warden's mouth. And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, and by Varric's point of view, Cassandra basically kidnapped and him generally made a poor impression to him by acting belligerent and too wrapped up with her preconceived notions, how notions throughout the interrogation and it will take no genius for Varric not to tell his captor about his BestFriend. How he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?
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*** Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). Depending on the Wardens' stance about the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). The Chantry already disobeyed the treaties by having its templars forcing to get Anders back even if he was formally conscripted by the Hero of Ferelden back at ''VideoGame/DragonAgeAwakening'', regardless of one's opinion to Anders, in an objective view, it will truly leave a sour taste in Wardens' mouth. And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, how he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?

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*** Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). Depending on the Wardens' stance about the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). The Chantry already disobeyed the treaties by having its templars forcing to get Anders back even if he was formally conscripted by the Hero of Ferelden back at ''VideoGame/DragonAgeAwakening'', regardless of one's opinion to Anders, in an objective view, it will truly leave a sour taste in Wardens' Warden's mouth. And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, and by Varric's point of view, Cassandra basically kidnapped and him generally made a poor impression to him by acting belligerent and too wrapped up with her preconceived notions, how he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?
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*** Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). Depending on the Wardens' stance about the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). The Chantry already disobeyed the treaties by having its templars forcing to get Anders back even if he was formally conscripted by the Hero of Ferelden back at ''VideoGame/DragonAgeAwakening''. And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, how he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?

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*** Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). Depending on the Wardens' stance about the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). The Chantry already disobeyed the treaties by having its templars forcing to get Anders back even if he was formally conscripted by the Hero of Ferelden back at ''VideoGame/DragonAgeAwakening''.''VideoGame/DragonAgeAwakening'', regardless of one's opinion to Anders, in an objective view, it will truly leave a sour taste in Wardens' mouth. And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, how he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?them?
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*** Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). Depending on the Wardens' stance about the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, how he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?

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*** Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). Depending on the Wardens' stance about the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). The Chantry already disobeyed the treaties by having its templars forcing to get Anders back even if he was formally conscripted by the Hero of Ferelden back at ''VideoGame/DragonAgeAwakening''. And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, how he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?
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Kill Em All was renamed Everybody Dies Ending due to misuse. Dewicking


* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wys6S_o1dGo Blackwall's personal quest]] is as much a study in PersonalHorror as it is a TearJerker. To recount: he was an Orlesian captain, Thom Rainier, who took money to assassinate a powerful nobleman, and ordered his soldiers to carry out the operation, claiming that the target was a legitimate target. But instead of catching the nobleman alone, they attacked him in a carriage with his family: [[KillEmAll the nobleman, his wife, their four children, and their retainers were all murdered.]] Rainier's men took the fall for him, but before he was sentenced he was taken by the ''real'' Blackwall, who invoked the Right of Conscription to make him a Grey Warden. He abandoned his men. When the true Blackwall was slain before Rainier could be put through the Joining, Rainier "couldn't let a good man die," so he [[TakingUpTheMantle assumed the Warden's identity]]. When you finally confront him about this, Thom "Blackwall" Rainier radiates nothing but despair and self-hatred.

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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wys6S_o1dGo Blackwall's personal quest]] is as much a study in PersonalHorror as it is a TearJerker. To recount: he was an Orlesian captain, Thom Rainier, who took money to assassinate a powerful nobleman, and ordered his soldiers to carry out the operation, claiming that the target was a legitimate target. But instead of catching the nobleman alone, they attacked him in a carriage with his family: [[KillEmAll the nobleman, his wife, their four children, and their retainers were all murdered.]] murdered. Rainier's men took the fall for him, but before he was sentenced he was taken by the ''real'' Blackwall, who invoked the Right of Conscription to make him a Grey Warden. He abandoned his men. When the true Blackwall was slain before Rainier could be put through the Joining, Rainier "couldn't let a good man die," so he [[TakingUpTheMantle assumed the Warden's identity]]. When you finally confront him about this, Thom "Blackwall" Rainier radiates nothing but despair and self-hatred.



* The Codex entry regarding the Orlesian Emperor Reville, referred to as "The Mad Emperor," is quite horrific. Initially riding high on the plaudits of the successful conquest of Ferelden, Reville went from [[MilesGloriosus being hailed as a conquering hero]] to the [[ButtMonkey butt of jokes]] at court when Ferelden rose up in revolt and [[CurbStompBattle Nevarra easily crushed Orlais's attempts to push into their territory]]. Convinced by [[YesMan sycophantic members of his court]] that his younger brother Gratien was stirring up trouble to undermine Reville in a bid to seize power (when in truth Gratien was happy being [[SpareToTheThrone a second son]] and in addition to having no ambitions for the throne, was deeply concerned about his elder brother's [[SanitySlippage deteriorating mental health]]), when [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes his mother]], [[MoralityChain who'd always been a calming influence on Reville]], died, [[VillainousBreakdown Reville went off at the deep end]] and [[KillEmAll ordered Gratien's entire family]] slaughtered - the youngest to die in the massacre ''[[WouldHurtAChild was an eight-month-old baby]]''. The savagery of that act [[EveryoneHasStandards caused outrage across Orlais]] and Reville spent the remaining four years of his life locked in his room, convinced he would be assassinated by his brother's supporters in revenge. He became so paranoid that he refused to see even his own children, wore armour wherever he went, and ate only venison (which ten chevaliers oversaw the preparation of, to prevent it being poisoned), also refusing to let doctors treat him when his poor diet inevitably starting causing Reville health problems; according to another Codex entry, he even hired Rivaini seers to stop his brother's ghost from haunting him. When he finally died and the guards broke down the door to his room, they found Reville had boarded up the windows and surrounded his bed with rows of daggers.

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* The Codex entry regarding the Orlesian Emperor Reville, referred to as "The Mad Emperor," is quite horrific. Initially riding high on the plaudits of the successful conquest of Ferelden, Reville went from [[MilesGloriosus being hailed as a conquering hero]] to the [[ButtMonkey butt of jokes]] at court when Ferelden rose up in revolt and [[CurbStompBattle Nevarra easily crushed Orlais's attempts to push into their territory]]. Convinced by [[YesMan sycophantic members of his court]] that his younger brother Gratien was stirring up trouble to undermine Reville in a bid to seize power (when in truth Gratien was happy being [[SpareToTheThrone a second son]] and in addition to having no ambitions for the throne, was deeply concerned about his elder brother's [[SanitySlippage deteriorating mental health]]), when [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes his mother]], [[MoralityChain who'd always been a calming influence on Reville]], died, [[VillainousBreakdown Reville went off at the deep end]] and [[KillEmAll ordered Gratien's entire family]] family slaughtered - the youngest to die in the massacre ''[[WouldHurtAChild was an eight-month-old baby]]''. The savagery of that act [[EveryoneHasStandards caused outrage across Orlais]] and Reville spent the remaining four years of his life locked in his room, convinced he would be assassinated by his brother's supporters in revenge. He became so paranoid that he refused to see even his own children, wore armour wherever he went, and ate only venison (which ten chevaliers oversaw the preparation of, to prevent it being poisoned), also refusing to let doctors treat him when his poor diet inevitably starting causing Reville health problems; according to another Codex entry, he even hired Rivaini seers to stop his brother's ghost from haunting him. When he finally died and the guards broke down the door to his room, they found Reville had boarded up the windows and surrounded his bed with rows of daggers.
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** It also indirectly gives an insight into Justinia's politics, and it's not a pretty one. Depending on the player's choices, the Warden may be a merciless, unrepentant warlord who dabbles in blood magic, consorts with tainted Magisters, and has a "cut heads first, negotiate later" approach to diplomacy. In fact, even if the Warden is an honorable and diplomatic person, by the end of ''Awakening'' they prove themselves to be both capable and willing to ruthlessly impose their will on others to reach their goals. Nonetheless, the Divine's first contingency plan, should the Conclave fail, was to take such a person and make them ''even more'' powerful and influential than they already were. That way, they could bully into submission both zealot Templars and extremist mages. "Appeaser"? Yeah, right. Justinia was ''vicious''; no wonder Vivienne admired her so much. And if that's not enough proof, look at her second choice: Hawke, the very person who is blamed for starting the whole rebellion in the first place and is a bogeyman to one side of the war. Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws).
*** Depending on the Wardens' stance about the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, how he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?

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** It also indirectly gives an insight into Justinia's politics, and it's not a pretty one. Depending on the player's choices, the Warden may be a merciless, unrepentant warlord who dabbles in blood magic, consorts with tainted Magisters, and has a "cut heads first, negotiate later" approach to diplomacy. In fact, even if the Warden is an honorable and diplomatic person, by the end of ''Awakening'' they prove themselves to be both capable and willing to ruthlessly impose their will on others to reach their goals. Nonetheless, the Divine's first contingency plan, should the Conclave fail, was to take such a person and make them ''even more'' powerful and influential than they already were. That way, they could bully into submission both zealot Templars and extremist mages. "Appeaser"? Yeah, right. Justinia was ''vicious''; no wonder Vivienne admired her so much. And if that's not enough proof, look at her second choice: Hawke, the very person who is blamed for starting the whole rebellion in the first place and is a bogeyman to one side of the war. Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws).
*** Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). Depending on the Wardens' stance about the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, how he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?
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*** Depending on the Wardens' stance against the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, how he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?

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*** Depending on the Wardens' stance against about the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, how he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?

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** It also indirectly gives an insight into Justinia's politics, and it's not a pretty one. Depending on the player's choices, the Warden may be a merciless, unrepentant warlord who dabbles in blood magic, consorts with tainted Magisters, and has a "cut heads first, negotiate later" approach to diplomacy. In fact, even if the Warden is an honorable and diplomatic person, by the end of ''Awakening'' they prove themselves to be both capable and willing to ruthlessly impose their will on others to reach their goals. Nonetheless, the Divine's first contingency plan, should the Conclave fail, was to take such a person and make them ''even more'' powerful and influential than they already were. That way, they could bully into submission both zealot Templars and extremist mages. "Appeaser"? Yeah, right. Justinia was ''vicious''; no wonder Vivienne admired her so much. And if that's not enough proof, look at her second choice: Hawke, the very person who is blamed for starting the whole rebellion in the first place and is a bogeyman to one side of the war. Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). Depending on the Wardens' stance against the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means capturing them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar.

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** It also indirectly gives an insight into Justinia's politics, and it's not a pretty one. Depending on the player's choices, the Warden may be a merciless, unrepentant warlord who dabbles in blood magic, consorts with tainted Magisters, and has a "cut heads first, negotiate later" approach to diplomacy. In fact, even if the Warden is an honorable and diplomatic person, by the end of ''Awakening'' they prove themselves to be both capable and willing to ruthlessly impose their will on others to reach their goals. Nonetheless, the Divine's first contingency plan, should the Conclave fail, was to take such a person and make them ''even more'' powerful and influential than they already were. That way, they could bully into submission both zealot Templars and extremist mages. "Appeaser"? Yeah, right. Justinia was ''vicious''; no wonder Vivienne admired her so much. And if that's not enough proof, look at her second choice: Hawke, the very person who is blamed for starting the whole rebellion in the first place and is a bogeyman to one side of the war. Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws).
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Depending on the Wardens' stance against the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means capturing ''capturing'' them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar. The Chantry already failed addressing the tensions between the mages and the templars, they dragged the war for almost two years, and there is no assurance that the Conclave will finally bring the conflict to end, how he will be certain that Hawke will be safe with them?
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** It also indirectly gives an insight into Justinia's politics, and it's not a pretty one. Depending on the player's choices, the Warden may be a merciless, unrepentant warlord who dabbles in blood magic, consorts with tainted Magisters, and has a "cut heads first, negotiate later" approach to diplomacy. In fact, even if the Warden is an honorable and diplomatic person, by the end of ''Awakening'' they prove themselves to be both capable and willing to ruthlessly impose their will on others to reach their goals. Nonetheless, the Divine's first contingency plan, should the Conclave fail, was to take such a person and make them ''even more'' powerful and influential than they already were. That way, they could bully into submission both zealot Templars and extremist mages. "Appeaser"? Yeah, right. Justinia was ''vicious''; no wonder Vivienne admired her so much. And if that's not enough proof, look at her second choice: Hawke, the very person who is blamed for starting the whole rebellion in the first place and is a bogeyman to one side of the war. Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means capturing them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar.

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** It also indirectly gives an insight into Justinia's politics, and it's not a pretty one. Depending on the player's choices, the Warden may be a merciless, unrepentant warlord who dabbles in blood magic, consorts with tainted Magisters, and has a "cut heads first, negotiate later" approach to diplomacy. In fact, even if the Warden is an honorable and diplomatic person, by the end of ''Awakening'' they prove themselves to be both capable and willing to ruthlessly impose their will on others to reach their goals. Nonetheless, the Divine's first contingency plan, should the Conclave fail, was to take such a person and make them ''even more'' powerful and influential than they already were. That way, they could bully into submission both zealot Templars and extremist mages. "Appeaser"? Yeah, right. Justinia was ''vicious''; no wonder Vivienne admired her so much. And if that's not enough proof, look at her second choice: Hawke, the very person who is blamed for starting the whole rebellion in the first place and is a bogeyman to one side of the war. Getting the Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). Depending on the Wardens' stance against the Chantry, they or they might not be inclined to join the Chantry (most especially if said Warden is Amell/Surana/Mahariel/Tabris, since mages and elves have no love towards the Chantry). And getting the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means capturing them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar.
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** It also indirectly gives an insight into Justinia's politics, and it's not a pretty one. Depending on the player's choices, the Warden may be a merciless, unrepentant warlord who dabbles in blood magic, consorts with tainted Magisters, and has a "cut heads first, negotiate later" approach to diplomacy. In fact, even if the Warden is an honorable and diplomatic person, by the end of ''Awakening'' they prove themselves to be both capable and willing to ruthlessly impose their will on others to reach their goals. Nonetheless, the Divine's first contingency plan, should the Conclave fail, was to take such a person and make them ''even more'' powerful and influential than they already were. That way, they could bully into submission both zealot Templars and extremist mages. "Appeaser"? Yeah, right. Justinia was ''vicious''; no wonder Vivienne admired her so much. And if that's not enough proof, look at her second choice: Hawke, the very person who is blamed for starting the whole rebellion in the first place and is a bogeyman to one side of the war. Getting the Warden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). And getting Hawke as the Inquisitor will also means capturing them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar.

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** It also indirectly gives an insight into Justinia's politics, and it's not a pretty one. Depending on the player's choices, the Warden may be a merciless, unrepentant warlord who dabbles in blood magic, consorts with tainted Magisters, and has a "cut heads first, negotiate later" approach to diplomacy. In fact, even if the Warden is an honorable and diplomatic person, by the end of ''Awakening'' they prove themselves to be both capable and willing to ruthlessly impose their will on others to reach their goals. Nonetheless, the Divine's first contingency plan, should the Conclave fail, was to take such a person and make them ''even more'' powerful and influential than they already were. That way, they could bully into submission both zealot Templars and extremist mages. "Appeaser"? Yeah, right. Justinia was ''vicious''; no wonder Vivienne admired her so much. And if that's not enough proof, look at her second choice: Hawke, the very person who is blamed for starting the whole rebellion in the first place and is a bogeyman to one side of the war. Getting the Warden Hero of Ferelden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). And getting Hawke the Champion as the Inquisitor will also means capturing them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's reasons are, Varric has ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar.
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** It also indirectly gives an insight into Justinia's politics, and it's not a pretty one. Depending on the player's choices, the Warden may be a merciless, unrepentant warlord who dabbles in blood magic, consorts with tainted Magisters, and has a "cut heads first, negotiate later" approach to diplomacy. In fact, even if the Warden is an honorable and diplomatic person, by the end of ''Awakening'' they prove themselves to be both capable and willing to ruthlessly impose their will on others to reach their goals. Nonetheless, the Divine's first contingency plan, should the Conclave fail, was to take such a person and make them ''even more'' powerful and influential than they already were. That way, they could bully into submission both zealot Templars and extremist mages. "Appeaser"? Yeah, right. Justinia was ''vicious''; no wonder Vivienne admired her so much. And if that's not enough proof, look at her second choice: Hawke, the very person who is blamed for starting the whole rebellion in the first place and is a bogeyman to one side of the war. Getting the Warden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens, who clash with them for so long. And getting Hawke as the Inquisitor will also means capturing them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of Cassandra's intentions, Varric has every right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar.

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** It also indirectly gives an insight into Justinia's politics, and it's not a pretty one. Depending on the player's choices, the Warden may be a merciless, unrepentant warlord who dabbles in blood magic, consorts with tainted Magisters, and has a "cut heads first, negotiate later" approach to diplomacy. In fact, even if the Warden is an honorable and diplomatic person, by the end of ''Awakening'' they prove themselves to be both capable and willing to ruthlessly impose their will on others to reach their goals. Nonetheless, the Divine's first contingency plan, should the Conclave fail, was to take such a person and make them ''even more'' powerful and influential than they already were. That way, they could bully into submission both zealot Templars and extremist mages. "Appeaser"? Yeah, right. Justinia was ''vicious''; no wonder Vivienne admired her so much. And if that's not enough proof, look at her second choice: Hawke, the very person who is blamed for starting the whole rebellion in the first place and is a bogeyman to one side of the war. Getting the Warden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens, Wardens under their heel, who clash with them for so long.long (particularly on their treatment on their mages and how the Wardens' Right of Conscription saved them from the Chantry's laws). And getting Hawke as the Inquisitor will also means capturing them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of how well-intentioned Cassandra's intentions, reasons are, Varric has every ''every'' right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar.
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** It also indirectly gives an insight into Justinia's politics, and it's not a pretty one. Depending on the player's choices, the Warden may be a merciless, unrepentant warlord who dabbles in blood magic, consorts with tainted Magisters, and has a "cut heads first, negotiate later" approach to diplomacy. In fact, even if the Warden is an honorable and diplomatic person, by the end of ''Awakening'' they prove themselves to be both capable and willing to ruthlessly impose their will on others to reach their goals. Nonetheless, the Divine's first contingency plan, should the Conclave fail, was to take such a person and make them ''even more'' powerful and influential than they already were. That way, they could bully into submission both zealot Templars and extremist mages. "Appeaser"? Yeah, right. Justinia was ''vicious''; no wonder Vivienne admired her so much. And if that's not enough proof, look at her second choice: Hawke, the very person who is blamed for starting the whole rebellion in the first place and is a bogeyman to one side of the war.

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** It also indirectly gives an insight into Justinia's politics, and it's not a pretty one. Depending on the player's choices, the Warden may be a merciless, unrepentant warlord who dabbles in blood magic, consorts with tainted Magisters, and has a "cut heads first, negotiate later" approach to diplomacy. In fact, even if the Warden is an honorable and diplomatic person, by the end of ''Awakening'' they prove themselves to be both capable and willing to ruthlessly impose their will on others to reach their goals. Nonetheless, the Divine's first contingency plan, should the Conclave fail, was to take such a person and make them ''even more'' powerful and influential than they already were. That way, they could bully into submission both zealot Templars and extremist mages. "Appeaser"? Yeah, right. Justinia was ''vicious''; no wonder Vivienne admired her so much. And if that's not enough proof, look at her second choice: Hawke, the very person who is blamed for starting the whole rebellion in the first place and is a bogeyman to one side of the war. Getting the Warden as the Inquisitor will enable the Chantry to get the Grey Wardens, who clash with them for so long. And getting Hawke as the Inquisitor will also means capturing them due of them being responsible for the hot water the Chantry was in right now. Regardless of Cassandra's intentions, Varric has every right to hide Hawke away from the Chantry's radar.
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*** The worst part of Justinia's plan to make The Warden an inquisitor, is the part when, in VideoGame/DragonAgeII; Nathaniel Howe says that the Wardens have mysterious new allies with a huge knowledge about darkspawn's lore. When Hawke asks if these allies were dwarves in evidence of being darkspawn's experts, Nathaniel says that such unknown allies are not dwarves and the truth is complicated and they live in strange times. After playing VideoGame/DragonAgeOriginsAwakening, the players know that the only group with an expert knowledge of darkspawn's lore, beyond the dwarves and the grey wardens; are the awakened, sapient kind of darkpawns who identifies herselfs as the Disciples, and the wardens have some kind of alliance with them. One wonders if the great Hero of Ferelden, beloved for many; will use the Disciples to assassinate many of their oppositors and the people don't care because a) nobody knows the existence of truly sapient darkspawns (it seems that the grey wardens make their existence a secret), b) the Disciples itself are pretty capable of hiding their traces (ask Velanna) and c) darkspawns' raids are a common occurrence.

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*** The worst part of Justinia's plan to make The Warden an inquisitor, is the part when, in VideoGame/DragonAgeII; Nathaniel Howe says that the Wardens have mysterious new allies with a huge knowledge about darkspawn's lore. When Hawke asks if these allies were dwarves in evidence of being darkspawn's experts, Nathaniel says that such unknown allies are not dwarves and the truth is complicated and they live in strange times. After playing VideoGame/DragonAgeOriginsAwakening, the players know that the only group with an expert knowledge of darkspawn's lore, beyond the dwarves and the grey wardens; are the awakened, sapient kind of darkpawns who identifies herselfs themselfs as the Disciples, and the wardens have some kind of alliance with them. One wonders if the great Hero of Ferelden, beloved for many; Ferelden will use the Disciples to assassinate many of their oppositors and the people don't care because a) nobody knows the existence of truly sapient darkspawns (it seems that the grey wardens make their existence a secret), secret) beyond Corypheus (and he's given a pass because he was once a Tevinter Magister), b) the Disciples itself themselfs are pretty capable of hiding their traces (ask Velanna) and c) darkspawns' raids are a common occurrence.

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