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-->'''Talia Winters''': "Psi Cops are trained to make people feel uncomfortable. Bester makes ''[[UpToEleven other Psi Cops]]'' feel uncomfortable!"

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-->'''Talia --->'''Talia Winters''': "Psi Psi Cops are trained to make people feel uncomfortable. Bester makes ''[[UpToEleven other Psi Cops]]'' Cops feel uncomfortable!"uncomfortable.



* Wasn't there an episode where Garibaldi had to confront a psycho dummy? If that were the case, then that was likely one of the most scariest episodes.
** That was Gray 17 is Missing. So, no. :/
** [[FanonDiscontinuity We don't talk about Garibaldi's weird acid trip adventure in Grey 17.]] [[OldShame JMS doesn't really like to either.]]


** Drakh "Keepers." A spider-like cyclops which sinks it hooks into your nervous system with razor-sharp appendeges, and cannot be extracted without either killing the host or simply re-growing in the same spot. The prospect of being closely-monitored for the rest of your life and never having any privacy drives the hosts to near-madness.

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** Drakh "Keepers." A spider-like cyclops which sinks it its hooks into your nervous system with razor-sharp appendeges, and cannot be extracted without either killing the host or simply re-growing in the same spot. The prospect of being closely-monitored for the rest of your life and never having any privacy drives the hosts to near-madness.


** Drakh "Keepers." A spider-like cyclops which link to your nervous system with razor-sharp appendeges, and cannot be extracted without either killing the host or simply re-growing in the same spot. The prospect of being closely-monitored for the rest of your life and never having any privacy drives the hosts to near-madness.

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** Drakh "Keepers." A spider-like cyclops which link to sinks it hooks into your nervous system with razor-sharp appendeges, and cannot be extracted without either killing the host or simply re-growing in the same spot. The prospect of being closely-monitored for the rest of your life and never having any privacy drives the hosts to near-madness.


* The Drakh and their [[PuppeteerParasite Keepers]]. Particularly in the [[ExpandedUniverse Centauri Trilogy]] books, Shiv'kala (the [[TheChessmaster lead Drakh operative]] on Centauri Prime) is described as materializing "out of the shadows" in a room, and blending back into them when he's done meeting with/confronting Londo. Plus the intensity of pain the Drakh can transmit through the Keeper onto the one who bears it is described in a bit more detail in the books. The whole concept of being controlled by such a thing for the remainder of life may be something described as a fate worse than death.

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* The Drakh and their [[PuppeteerParasite Keepers]]. {{Puppeteer Parasite}}s.
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Particularly in the [[ExpandedUniverse ExpandedUniverse (the Centauri Trilogy]] books, Shiv'kala (the [[TheChessmaster lead Drakh operative]] Trilogy), the pointman on Centauri Prime) Prime is described as materializing "out of the shadows" in a room, and blending back into them when he's done meeting with/confronting instructing Londo. Plus the intensity of pain the Drakh They can also transmit pain through the Keeper onto on command, the one who bears it is results of which are described in a bit more detail in the books. books.
** Drakh "Keepers." A spider-like cyclops which link to your nervous system with razor-sharp appendeges, and cannot be extracted without either killing the host or simply re-growing in the same spot.
The whole concept prospect of being controlled by such a thing closely-monitored for the remainder rest of your life may be something described as a fate worse than death.and never having any privacy drives the hosts to near-madness.


** Finally, the series end with the Drakh secretly putting the Centauri under their heel and using Londo, now the emperor, as their puppet ruler. Londo spends the next few years to assure the Centauri military might will become greater than it has ever been... And that his death will trigger it being set against the Drakh with fully genocidal intentions.

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** Finally, the series end with the Drakh secretly putting the Centauri under their heel and using Londo, now the emperor, as their puppet ruler. The ExpandedUniverse shows that Londo spends the next few years to assure insure the Centauri military might will become greater than it has ever been... And that his death will trigger it being set against the Drakh with fully genocidal intentions.

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** Finally, the series end with the Drakh secretly putting the Centauri under their heel and using Londo, now the emperor, as their puppet ruler. Londo spends the next few years to assure the Centauri military might will become greater than it has ever been... And that his death will trigger it being set against the Drakh with fully genocidal intentions.

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** The third recipient is lord Antono Refa, a fellow Centauri who was using his influence to start multiple wars that could have spelled the destruction of the Centauri Republic when the Shadows would turn against them. Londo first tries to reason with him, but Refa laughs and asks him why he should do that-and Londo replies "Because I have asked you to, and because your loyalty to our people should be greater than your ambition, and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_sBNX9dP-M&NR because I have poisoned your drink]]". The moment Refa drunk from that glass, Londo had him in his clutches ''forever'', and there was nothing Refa could have done to change that.
** The fourth time the recipient is once again lord Refa, who Londo has been lead to believe he murdered the woman he loved in retaliation for the above and is wondering why exactly Londo became hostile enough to start a feud between their Houses but hasn't got him killed yet. The answer is easy: because he doesn't want just to kill him, but to ''destroy him'', ruining his reputation and House Refa. Thus [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zly_tL5mMc8 he got him beaten to death and framed as a traitor, making sure he knew what was about to happen to him]].
** The fifth time he's trying to get the Shadows off Centauri Prime before the Vorlon Planet Killer arrives, and by now he knows their agent, mr. Morden, is the one responsible for the death of Londo's beloved. Morden is foolish enough to refuse... And [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7n4Gg-_ac Londo has to do the job himself]], before [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47DfQcHMYLY finishing the job with him]].
*** And when the above ''doesn't'' get the Vorlon to recall their Planet Killer, he realizes they consider ''him'' Shadow influence... So [[HeroicSacrifice he orders Vir to kill him and bring proof to the Vorlon]]. The Vorlon recall their Planet Killer for another reason before Vir can obey him, but it still shows that ''nothing'' would stop Londo from obtaining what he wants.


** The antimatter converter, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin whose beam turns the target's surface into antimatter]] and lets it react to the non-converted matter in contact with it. A single standard-sized ship armed with this can lay waste to a planet in hours. Two races have it: the Vree, who reverse-engineered it from relics, and the Minbari, who invented it before or during the last Shadow War. That's right: the Minbari invented a device that's possibly more horrifying than the Shadow Planet Killer ''when they were far less advanced than they're now''.

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** The antimatter converter, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin whose beam turns the target's surface into antimatter]] and lets it react to the non-converted matter in contact with it. A single standard-sized ship armed with this can lay waste to a planet in hours. Two races have it: the Vree, who reverse-engineered it from relics, and the Minbari, who invented it before or during the last Shadow War. That's right: the Minbari invented a device that's possibly more horrifying than the Shadow Planet Killer ''when they were far less advanced than they're now''. And now you know who did what to Z'ha'dum to reduce it to a barren wasteland.


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* Londo coming after you. He's a MagnificentBastard and [[NoNonsenseNemesis wastes no time to do you his worst]], and while amusing to the viewers the effects are ''always'' terrifying:
** The first time, G'kar has taken the lead in an offensive on a Centauri agricoltural colony and [[ItsPersonal used Londo's nephew as the spokesperson to justify the invasion]]. Londo doesn't say anything, he just [[IkeaWeaponry grabs random pieces of equipment in his apartment and assembles them into a gun]], and marches out to meet with G'kar. Talia senses his intentions and has Garibaldi stop him, but he was already near G'kar.
*** This becomes HarsherInHindsight when it turns out that [[DreamingOfThingsToCome Londo has dreamed his death and knows it'll come much later, when he and G'kar will strangle each other to death]]: either Londo was planning to do G'kar horrible things that would have left him alive (but without an eye), or [[ScrewDestiny he had decided to murder him early, destiny be damned]]. In both cases, he was going for a public assault, knowing it would trigger an all-out war he expected would end with the Narn being broken.
** The second time, G'kar (who doesn't know what Londo had almost done him) is looking for a plant needed to perform a sacred ceremony for the Narn on the station, an extremely rare plant that was almost driven to extinction on his homeworld during the Centauri occupation and with the one that G'kar was supposed to use being destroyed in a (genuine) shipping accident. There is exactly one on the station-and Londo has it. Londo proceeds to spend the entire episode lording it over G'kar, first asking an outrageous price for it after G'kar broke in his apartment to look for it ([[ProperlyParanoid Londo of course was keeping it somewhere else]]), then, after G'kar procured the money, [[YankTheDogsChain announcing he changed his mind and will use it to make himself a narcotic tea, ruining it for the ceremony in the process]], and explains why he's doing it-and that he knows it'll make G'kar an outcast and possibly endanger his life. Sinclair intervenes, [[LoopholeAbuse using the station's regulations to confiscate the plant and give it to G'kar]], but Londo nearly got G'kar ruined with ease.

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*** The Minbari are the only one of the Younger Races that can detect Soul Hunter ships, and fire on them on sight. ''This may have caused the Earth-Minbari War'', as Jankowski ordered to open fire on the Minbari flagship when he was told they had powered their weapons and the Minbari had just detected a group of Soul Hunter ships. In the novelization, [[OhCrap the Grey Council reacted with horror when they were told there were Soul Hunter ships just as they had open gunports in front of alien warships whose language they didn't speak]], with Dukhat's order to close the gunports coming right before the first shots were fired.


* Telepathy in general is depicted as pretty damned frightening on the show, with even an 'average' P5-rated telepath being able to slip into a person's mind and rifle it for their secrets, or cause intense pain. Garibaldi is considered one of the toughest characters on a series replete with badasses, but the telepaths of the Psi Corp were able to abduct him and craft a sleeper personality so convincing ''it fooled the entire command staff and nearly got Sheridan killed''. And what's worse? He couldn't take revenge on Bester because Bester had him programmed with what he termed 'an Asimov', rendering Michael incapable of harming Bester or even allowing him to come to harm. Telepathy in Babylon 5 is ''terrifying.''

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* Telepathy in general is depicted as pretty damned frightening on the show, with even an 'average' P5-rated telepath being able to slip into a person's mind and rifle it for their secrets, or cause intense pain. Garibaldi is considered one of the toughest characters on a series replete with badasses, but the telepaths of the Psi Corp Corps were able to abduct him and craft a sleeper personality so convincing ''it fooled the entire command staff and nearly got Sheridan killed''. And what's worse? He couldn't take revenge on Bester because Bester had him programmed with what he termed 'an Asimov', rendering Michael incapable of harming Bester or even allowing him to come to harm. Telepathy in Babylon 5 is ''terrifying.''


* Telepathy in general is depicted as pretty damned frightening on the show, with even a P5 being able to slip into a person's mind and rifle it for their secrets, or cause intense pain. Garibaldi is considered one of the toughest characters on a series replete with badasses, but the telepaths of the Psi Corp were able to abduct him and craft a sleeper personality so convincing ''it fooled the entire command staff and nearly got Sheridan killed''. And what's worse? He couldn't take revenge on Bester because Bester had him programmed with what he termed 'an Asimov', rendering Michael incapable of harming Bester or even allowing him to come to harm. Telepathy in Babylon 5 is ''terrifying.''

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* Telepathy in general is depicted as pretty damned frightening on the show, with even a P5 an 'average' P5-rated telepath being able to slip into a person's mind and rifle it for their secrets, or cause intense pain. Garibaldi is considered one of the toughest characters on a series replete with badasses, but the telepaths of the Psi Corp were able to abduct him and craft a sleeper personality so convincing ''it fooled the entire command staff and nearly got Sheridan killed''. And what's worse? He couldn't take revenge on Bester because Bester had him programmed with what he termed 'an Asimov', rendering Michael incapable of harming Bester or even allowing him to come to harm. Telepathy in Babylon 5 is ''terrifying.''


* Telepathy in general is depicted as pretty damned frightening on the show, with even a P5 being able to slip into a person's mind and rifle it for their secrets, or cause intense pain. Garibaldi is considered one of the toughest characters on a series replete with badasses, but the telepaths of the Psi Corp were able to create a sleeper personality so convincing ''it fooled the entire command staff and nearly got Sheridan killed''. And what's worse? He couldn't take revenge on Bester because Bester had him programmed with what he termed 'an Asimov', rendering Michael incapable of harming Bester or even allowing him to come to harm. Telepathy in Babylon 5 is ''terrifying.''

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* Telepathy in general is depicted as pretty damned frightening on the show, with even a P5 being able to slip into a person's mind and rifle it for their secrets, or cause intense pain. Garibaldi is considered one of the toughest characters on a series replete with badasses, but the telepaths of the Psi Corp were able to create abduct him and craft a sleeper personality so convincing ''it fooled the entire command staff and nearly got Sheridan killed''. And what's worse? He couldn't take revenge on Bester because Bester had him programmed with what he termed 'an Asimov', rendering Michael incapable of harming Bester or even allowing him to come to harm. Telepathy in Babylon 5 is ''terrifying.''

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* Telepathy in general is depicted as pretty damned frightening on the show, with even a P5 being able to slip into a person's mind and rifle it for their secrets, or cause intense pain. Garibaldi is considered one of the toughest characters on a series replete with badasses, but the telepaths of the Psi Corp were able to create a sleeper personality so convincing ''it fooled the entire command staff and nearly got Sheridan killed''. And what's worse? He couldn't take revenge on Bester because Bester had him programmed with what he termed 'an Asimov', rendering Michael incapable of harming Bester or even allowing him to come to harm. Telepathy in Babylon 5 is ''terrifying.''


** The Centauri-Orieni War. This is the war they invented the mass driver for, and between them and their enemies doing the same (just less efficiently) dozens of worlds were made uninhabitable as ''collateral damage'' (the bombardments were aimed at military targets on the planets)-and the only reason the Orieni aren't extinct is that the Centauri [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone went back to their senses as they were about to attack their homeworld and accepted their surrender]], at which point they proceeded to disassemble the Orieni military power-and included a ban on use of mass drivers against planetary targets in the treaty, before spearheading treaties banning it with the future League of Non-Aligned Worlds.

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** The Centauri-Orieni War. This is the war they invented the mass driver for, and between them and their enemies doing the same (just less efficiently) dozens of worlds were made uninhabitable as ''collateral damage'' (the bombardments were aimed at military targets on the planets)-and the only reason the Orieni aren't extinct is that the Centauri [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone went back came to their senses as they were about to attack their homeworld and accepted their surrender]], at which point they proceeded to disassemble the Orieni military power-and included a ban on use of mass drivers against planetary targets in the treaty, before spearheading treaties banning it with the future League of Non-Aligned Worlds.


** Throw in the mentality that CREATED Psi Corps. Ironically it's Garibaldi who points it out (sort of giving a WhatTheHellHero speech to humanity: "We put them all in a black box labeled 'Psi Corps' and now look, black uniforms, jackboots..." He openly points out people did it because they were scared of telepaths. In the Psi Corps novels it's estimated that when telepathy was proven real, ''thousands'' of telepaths were murdered (and the books set before the series begins show that there were still plenty of people who hated telepaths enough to kill them, or lure would-be rogues into horrible fates like sex slavery.) Several characters explicitly compare the telepath crisis to the Holocaust (and on the show Edgars refers to "the telepath problem", as in the "Jewish problem", when discussing his own...final solution. Bester's hardcore determination to put teeps' safety over mundanes (even crazy teeps or rogues) makes a lot of sense when you consider that not only was one of the richest humans in the galaxy willing to create a virus that could exterminate telepaths, but he found a lot of people willing to knowingly help him.

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** Throw in the mentality that CREATED ''created'' Psi Corps. Ironically it's Garibaldi who points it out (sort of giving a WhatTheHellHero speech to humanity: "We put them all in a black box labeled 'Psi Corps' and now look, black uniforms, jackboots..." He openly points out people did it because they were scared of telepaths. In the Psi Corps novels it's estimated that when telepathy was proven real, ''thousands'' of telepaths were murdered (and the books set before the series begins show that there were still plenty of people who hated telepaths enough to kill them, or lure would-be rogues into horrible fates like sex slavery.) Several characters explicitly compare the telepath crisis to the Holocaust (and on the show Edgars refers to "the telepath problem", as in the "Jewish problem", when discussing his own...final solution.solution). Bester's hardcore determination to put teeps' safety over mundanes (even crazy teeps or rogues) makes a lot of sense when you consider that not only was one of the richest humans in the galaxy willing to create a virus that could exterminate telepaths, but he found a lot of people willing to knowingly help him.

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