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* [[DreadfulMusician Dreadful Musicians]]Musicians]]: Though they ''slowly'' developed a rudimentary sense of instrumentation.
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* CoverVersion: Of [[Music/{{Carpenters}} the Carpenters]]' "Yesterday Once More." By the time this was recorded, they could keep together reasonably well, but [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BkUFmjz-Ek it was still unmistakably the Shaggs.]]
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* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: Uh, ...''ostensibly'' they're a 2.
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* OutsiderMusic: Defines this as well as anyone else.
* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: Uh, ...''ostensibly'' they're a 2.
* OutsiderMusic: Defines this as well as anyone else.
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The Shaggs had [[SoBadItsGood an unusual approach]] at making pop music. Not only did their instruments sound blatantly out of tune, but their limited ability caused each member's individual performance to seemingly follow its own time signature. Each individual note matched up to every syllable they sang, and, in general, it all added up to what the average person would hear as a lot of disorganized sound. Despite all this, the band have developed [[CultClassic a small cult following]] as well as some good reviews over the years (amongst them being no less than Lester Bangs, [[Music/{{Nirvana}} Kurt Cobain]] and Music/FrankZappa), with many praising the honesty and humanism of their lyrical content.
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The Shaggs had [[SoBadItsGood an unusual approach]] at making pop music. Not only did their instruments sound blatantly out of tune, but their limited ability caused each member's individual performance to seemingly follow its own time signature. Each individual note matched up to every syllable they sang, and, in general, it all added up to what the average person would hear as a lot of disorganized sound. Despite all this, the band have developed [[CultClassic a small cult following]] as well as some good reviews over the years (amongst them being no less than Lester Bangs, [[Music/{{Nirvana}} Kurt Cobain]] and Music/FrankZappa), with many praising the honesty and humanism of their lyrical content.
content. Nowadays they are seen as a prime example of OutsiderMusic.
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* DownerEnding: [[DoubleSubverted Double Subverted]]. They failed to achieve mainstream success, Austin died in 1975 and the band disbanded shortly after. Years later, they were VindicatedByHistory through cult and outsider music aficionados and played a few reunion shows in 1999, then Helen [[DrivenToSuicide committed suicide]] in 2006.
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* DownerEnding: [[DoubleSubverted Double Subverted]]. They failed to achieve mainstream success, Austin died in 1975 and the band disbanded shortly after. Years later, they were VindicatedByHistory through cult and outsider music OutsiderMusic aficionados and played a few reunion shows in 1999, then Helen [[DrivenToSuicide committed suicide]] in 2006.
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* EstablishingCharacterMoment: Put off by "Philosophy of the World"s arrhythmic beat, sing-speak vocals and hopelessly amateurish instrumentation? Well get ready for ''eleven more tracks'' of it.
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* EstablishingCharacterMoment: EstablishingSeriesMoment: Put off by "Philosophy of the World"s arrhythmic beat, sing-speak vocals and hopelessly amateurish instrumentation? Well get ready for ''eleven more tracks'' of it.
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* HalloweenEpisode: The subject of "It's Halloween", with its hilarious line "Why, even dracula will be there".
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* HalloweenEpisode: The subject of "It's Halloween", with its hilarious line "Why, even dracula Dracula will be there".
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* ShaggyDogStory: [[IncrediblyLamePun Incredibly Lame Pun]] IncrediblyLamePun aside, this is subverted somewhat. [[BittersweetEnding The band failed to achieve mainstream success like Austin thought, but they're appreciated in cult and outsider music circles.]]
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* StudioChatter: The beginning of "We Have A Savior" where the engineer says "Take 2" in an almost defeated tone.
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* ThePerfectionist: [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Believe it or not]], while recording, the band had a tendency to stop recording over a perceived error. This (further) confused the poor engineer who thought they ignored more major flaws like the whole "couldn't sing or play or keep in time" problem.
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[[caption-width-right:350:AchievementsInIgnorance personified.]]
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* {{Adorkable}}: Their lack of skill becomes sort of charming after a while.
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* BigNameFan: Creator/KurtCobain and Creator/FrankZappa, who the latter memorably said they were "Better than Music/TheBeatles."
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* ContemplateOurNavels: Songs like "I Wonder" and "Philosophy of the World" are quite possibly the most {{Adorkable}} versions of this trope.
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* SillyLoveSongs
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* ConMan: The man Austin hired to press 1000 copies of ''World'' reportedly took 900 copies along with the money and ran. That's why original pressings are obscenely expensive.
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* ArcWords: 'Roam', pronounced like 'Rom' due to their accents, shows up in a few songs.
* AlbumTitleDrop: ''"The Philosophy of the World"''
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* ArcWords: 'Roam', pronounced like 'Rom' due to AchievementsInIgnorance: They became cult successes, in spite of their accents, shows up in a few songs.
alarming inability to play or sing.
* AlbumTitleDrop:''"The Philosophy "Philosophy of the World"'' World" is the name of both the album, and the very first song.
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* DownerEnding: [[DoubleSubverted Double Subverted]]. They failed to achieve mainstream success, Austin died in 1975 and the band disbanded shortly after. Years later, they were [[VindicatedByHistory Vindicated By History]] VindicatedByHistory through cult and outsider music aficionados and played a few reunion shows in 1999, then Helen [[DrivenToSuicide committed suicide]] in 2006.2006.
* [[DreadfulMusician Dreadful Musicians]]
* EstablishingCharacterMoment: Put off by "Philosophy of the World"s arrhythmic beat, sing-speak vocals and hopelessly amateurish instrumentation? Well get ready for ''eleven more tracks'' of it.
* [[DreadfulMusician Dreadful Musicians]]
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* GoodParents: ''"Who Are Parents?"'' is a sweet song about love for your parents and how they take care of you. Despite the fact that the Shaggs' father was a naïve, demanding and overprotective dad.
** There are suspicions that their father wrote the lyrics to this song himself and made them record it, which would make it HarsherInHindsight.
** There are suspicions that their father wrote the lyrics to this song himself and made them record it, which would make it HarsherInHindsight.
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* GoodParents: ''"Who "Who Are Parents?"'' Parents?" is a sweet song about love for your parents and how they take care of you. [[{{Irony}} Despite the fact that the Shaggs' father was a naïve, demanding and overprotective dad.
dad.]]
** There are suspicions that their father wrote the lyrics to this song himself and made them record it, which would make itHarsherInHindsight.[[HarsherInHindsight Harsher]] or HilariousInHindsight depending on your view.
** There are suspicions that their father wrote the lyrics to this song himself and made them record it, which would make it
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* ThatPoorCat: The song ''"My Pal Foot Foot"'' describes how the girls search for their lost cat, Foot Foot.
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* ThatPoorCat: The song ''"My "My Pal Foot Foot"'' Foot" describes how the girls search for their lost cat, Foot Foot.
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* AbusiveParents: The girls' father forced them to perform solely because of his own mother prophetic dream. They had never played an instrument before and obviously lacked any sort of musical talent. Despite all that he took them out of the regular school system, bought equipment, forced them to rehearse for hours and sent them to live venues where the poor kids were basically ridiculed by the audience. And he disbanded the group because his eldest teenage daughter had met a cute guy during one of the concerts!
** Though, [[WordOfGod Dot Wiggin]] said in an interview that they had a good father and the band did enjoy playing.
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* AccentUponTheWrongSyllable: Numerous examples as the girls tried to fit the words to the (already awkward) rhythms. For instance "I don't know what to do" in 'I'm So Happy When You're Near'.
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* DownerEnding: [[DoubleSubverted Double Subverted]]. They failed to achieve mainstream success, Austin died in 1975 and the band disbanded shortly after. Years later, they were [[VindicatedByHistory Vindicated By History]]through cult and outsider music aficionados and played a few reunion shows in 1999, then Helen [[DrivenToSuicide committed suicide]] in 2006.
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* DownerEnding: [[DoubleSubverted Double Subverted]]. They failed to achieve mainstream success, Austin died in 1975 and the band disbanded shortly after. Years later, they were [[VindicatedByHistory Vindicated By History]]through History]] through cult and outsider music aficionados and played a few reunion shows in 1999, then Helen [[DrivenToSuicide committed suicide]] in 2006.
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* ShaggyDogStory: [[IncrediblyLamePun]] aside, this is subverted somewhat. [[BittersweetEnding The band failed to achieve mainstream success like Austin thought, but they're appreciated in cult and outsider music circles.]]
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* ShaggyDogStory: [[IncrediblyLamePun]] [[IncrediblyLamePun Incredibly Lame Pun]] aside, this is subverted somewhat. [[BittersweetEnding The band failed to achieve mainstream success like Austin thought, but they're appreciated in cult and outsider music circles.]]
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* GoodParents: ''"Who Are Parents?"'' is a sweet song about love for your parents and how they take care of you. Despite the fact that the Shaggs' father was a naïve, demanding and overprotective dad.
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** There are suspicions that their father wrote the lyrics to this song himself and made them record it, which would make it HarsherInHindsight.
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Helen, the drummer, passed away in 2006. An off-Broadway musical about their life recently began in NewYorkCity.
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Helen, the drummer, passed away in 2006. An off-Broadway musical about their life recently began in NewYorkCity.
UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity.
In 2013, Dot Wiggin released a solo album on [[Music/DeadKennedys Jello Biafra]]'s Alternative Tentacles label.
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The Shaggs had [[SoBadItsGood an unusual approach]] at making pop music. Not only did their instruments sound blatantly out of tune, but their limited ability caused each member's individual performance to seemingly follow its own time signature. Each individual note matched up to every syllable they sang, and, in general, it all added up to what the average person would hear as a lot of disorganized sound. Despite all this, the band have developed [[CultClassic a small cult following]] as well as some good reviews over the years (amongst them being no less than Lester Bangs, [[{{Nirvana}} Kurt Cobain]] and FrankZappa), with many praising the honesty and humanism of their lyrical content.
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The Shaggs had [[SoBadItsGood an unusual approach]] at making pop music. Not only did their instruments sound blatantly out of tune, but their limited ability caused each member's individual performance to seemingly follow its own time signature. Each individual note matched up to every syllable they sang, and, in general, it all added up to what the average person would hear as a lot of disorganized sound. Despite all this, the band have developed [[CultClassic a small cult following]] as well as some good reviews over the years (amongst them being no less than Lester Bangs, [[{{Nirvana}} [[Music/{{Nirvana}} Kurt Cobain]] and FrankZappa), Music/FrankZappa), with many praising the honesty and humanism of their lyrical content.
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The band did have a second recording session in 1975, where, amongst other songs, they did [[CoveredUp a cover of]] "Yesterday Once More" by TheCarpenters. The sessions never materialized into a full album, as the sessions were aborted after [[DownerEnding the death of Austin Wiggins.]]
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The band did have a second recording session in 1975, where, amongst other songs, they did [[CoveredUp a cover of]] "Yesterday Once More" by TheCarpenters.the Music/{{Carpenters}}. The sessions never materialized into a full album, as the sessions were aborted after [[DownerEnding the death of Austin Wiggins.]]
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[[en.wikipedia.org/The_Shaggs They have not gone unnoticed]] by ThatOtherWiki.
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* StageDadStageDad: The only reason this group existed.
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* BetterThanItSounds: What the girls lack in talent they make up in beautifully innocent teenage charm.
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* BetterThanTheBeatles
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* AbusiveParents: The girls' father forced them to perform solely because of his own mother prophetic dream. They had never played an instrument before and obviously lacked any sort of musical talent. Despite all that he took them out of the regular school system, bought equipment, forced them to rehearse for hours and sent them to live venues where the poor kids were basically ridiculed by the audience. And he disbanded the group because his eldest teenage daughter had met a cute guy during one of the concerts!
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* ThatPoorCat: The song ''"My Pal Foot Foot"'' describes how the girls search for their lost cat, Foot Foot.
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* UncommonTime: In every single one of their songs... ''accidentally''.
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The Shaggs had [[SoBadItsGood an unusual approach]] at making pop music. Not only did their instruments sound blatantly out of tune, but their limited ability caused each member's individual performance to seemingly follow its own time signature. Each individual note matched up to every syllable they sang, and, in general, it all added up to what the average person would hear as a lot of disorganized sound. Despite all this, the band have developed [[CultClassic a small cult following]] as well as some good reviews over the years (amongst them being no less than Lester Bangs Bangs, [[{{Nirvana}} Kurt Cobain]] and FrankZappa), with many praising the honesty and humanism of their lyrical content.