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The mother of a young Austin Wiggin Jr. had three visions. 1) he would marry a strawberry blonde woman, 2) that he would have two sons after she passed away, and 3) that his daughters would one day form a pop group. The first two came true. A determined Austin set out to make that third vision a reality.

He withdrew his daughters, Helen, Dorothy, Betty & Rachel, from school, bought them instruments and set them up with music and voice lessons, and had the girls practice playing their instruments for a good five years straight. Austin went so far as to book them to play on Saturday nights at the Fremont, New Hampshire Town Hall, but their ineptitude at playing only resulted in the other kids picking on them. Undeterred, Austin booked a single day at the Fleetwood Recordings studio, where it became abundantly clear to the befuddled engineer that the girls weren't ready to record. Austin reportedly replied "I want to get them while they're hot." The end result, such as it is, was named ''Philosophy of the World.''

The Shaggs had [[SoBadItsGood an unusual approach]] at making pop music. Not only did their instruments sound blatantly out of tune, but their limited ability caused each member's individual performance to seemingly follow its own time signature. Each individual note matched up to every syllable they sang, and, in general, it all added up to what the average person would hear as a lot of disorganized sound. Despite all this, the band have developed [[CultClassic a small cult following]] as well as some good reviews over the years (amongst them being no less than Lester Bangs, Music/KurtCobain and Music/FrankZappa), with many praising the honesty and humanism of their lyrical content. Nowadays they are seen as a prime example of OutsiderMusic.

The band did have a second recording session in 1975, where, amongst other songs, they did [[CoveredUp a cover of]] "Yesterday Once More" by the Music/{{Carpenters}}. The sessions never materialized into a full album, as the sessions - and the band itself - were aborted after [[DownerEnding Austin Wiggin passed away from a heart attack.]]

Helen, the drummer, took her own life in 2006. An off-Broadway musical about their life was created and ran in in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity in the early 2010s. Dot Wiggin released a solo album on [[Music/DeadKennedys Jello Biafra]]'s Alternative Tentacles label in 2013. In 2015, she was the opening act for Music/NeutralMilkHotel's reunion tour; Her band played both her new, straightforward material as well as ''Philosophy of the World'' songs played [[StylisticSuck exactly as they were]] on the album (Which, apparently, are unintentionally extraordinarily complicated to play). In 2017, the surviving members of the Shaggs - Dot, Betty and Rachel - [[http://www.nme.com/news/music/one-kurt-cobain-favourite-bands-the-shaggs-reunite-1979663 reunited]] at Music/{{Wilco}}'s Solid Sound Festival.

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The mother of a young Austin Wiggin Wiggin, Jr. had three visions. 1) visions: he would marry a strawberry blonde woman, 2) that he would have two sons after she passed away, and 3) that his daughters would one day form a pop group. The first two came true. A determined Austin set out to make that third vision a reality.

He withdrew his daughters, Austin had four daughters: Helen, Dorothy, Betty & Rachel, Betty, and Rachel. He withdrew them from school, bought them instruments and instruments, set them up with music and voice lessons, and had the girls them practice playing their instruments for a good five years straight. Satisfied with their progress, Austin went so far as to book booked them to play on Saturday nights at the town hall in their hometown of Fremont, New Hampshire Town Hall, but -- except they weren't very good at all, and their ineptitude at playing only resulted in the other kids picking on them. Undeterred, Austin booked a single day at the Fleetwood Recordings studio, where it became abundantly clear to the befuddled engineer that the girls weren't ready to record. Austin reportedly replied replied, "I want to get them while they're hot." The end result, such as it is, was named ''Philosophy of the World.''

The Shaggs had [[SoBadItsGood an unusual approach]] at to making pop music. Not only did their instruments sound blatantly out of tune, but their limited ability caused each member's individual performance to seemingly follow its own time signature. Each individual note matched up to every syllable they sang, and, and in general, it all added up to what the average person would hear as a lot of disorganized sound. Despite all this, the band have has developed [[CultClassic a small cult following]] as well as and even some good reviews over the years (amongst them being from no less than Lester Bangs, Music/KurtCobain and Music/FrankZappa), with many praising the honesty and humanism of their lyrical content. Nowadays they are seen as a prime example of OutsiderMusic.

The band did have a second recording session in 1975, where, amongst where among other songs, they did [[CoveredUp a cover of]] "Yesterday Once More" by the Music/{{Carpenters}}. The sessions never materialized into a full album, as the sessions - -- and the band itself - -- were aborted after [[DownerEnding Austin Wiggin passed away from a heart attack.]]

Helen, the drummer, took her own life in 2006. An off-Broadway musical about their life was created and ran in in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity in the early 2010s. Dot Wiggin released a solo album on [[Music/DeadKennedys Jello Biafra]]'s Alternative Tentacles label in 2013. In 2015, she was the opening act for Music/NeutralMilkHotel's reunion tour; Her her band played both her new, straightforward material as well as and songs from ''Philosophy of the World'' songs World'', played [[StylisticSuck exactly as they were]] were on the album (Which, apparently, are unintentionally album]] (which is no mean feat, because doing that on purpose is extraordinarily complicated to play). complicated). In 2017, the surviving members of the Shaggs - -- Dot, Betty Betty, and Rachel - -- [[http://www.nme.com/news/music/one-kurt-cobain-favourite-bands-the-shaggs-reunite-1979663 reunited]] at Music/{{Wilco}}'s Solid Sound Festival.



* AccentUponTheWrongSyllable: Numerous examples as the girls tried to fit the words to the (already awkward) rhythms. For instance "I don't know what to do" in 'I'm So Happy When You're Near'.
* AchievementsInIgnorance: They became cult successes, in spite of their alarming inability to play or sing.
** As noted above, when they reunited with much more skill, they somehow found it a lot harder to play their terrible older songs.

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* AccentUponTheWrongSyllable: Numerous examples as the girls tried to fit the words to the (already awkward) rhythms. For instance already awkward rhythms, such as "I don't know what to do" in 'I'm "I'm So Happy When You're Near'.
Near".
* AchievementsInIgnorance: They became cult successes, in spite of their alarming inability to play or sing.
** As noted above, when
sing. In fact, once they reunited with much became more skill, they somehow found talented musicians, it turned out to be a lot harder to play replicate their terrible older songs.original sound.



* AlbumTitleDrop: "Philosophy of the World" is the name of both the album, and the very first song.

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* AlbumTitleDrop: "Philosophy of the World" is the name of both the album, album and the very first song.



* ConMan: The man Austin hired to press 1000 copies of ''World'' reportedly took 900 copies along with the money and ran, hence why original pressings are obscenely expensive.

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* ConMan: The man Austin hired to press 1000 copies of ''World'' ''Philosophy of the World'' reportedly took 900 copies along with the money and ran, hence why original pressings are obscenely expensive.



* DownerEnding: [[DoubleSubverted Double Subverted]]. They failed to achieve mainstream success, Austin died in 1975 and the band disbanded shortly after. Years later, they were VindicatedByHistory through cult and OutsiderMusic aficionados and played a few reunion shows in 1999, then Helen [[DrivenToSuicide committed suicide]] in 2006.
* DreadfulMusician: Though they ''slowly'' developed a rudimentary sense of instrumentation, synchronization and playing in time.

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* DownerEnding: [[DoubleSubverted Double Subverted]]. DoubleSubverted. They failed to achieve mainstream success, Austin died in 1975 1975, and the band disbanded shortly after. Years later, they were VindicatedByHistory through cult and OutsiderMusic aficionados and played a few reunion shows in 1999, but then Helen [[DrivenToSuicide committed suicide]] in 2006.
* DreadfulMusician: Though they ''slowly'' developed a rudimentary sense of instrumentation, synchronization synchronization, and playing in time.



* GoodParents: "Who Are Parents?" is a sweet song about love for your parents and how they take care of you. [[{{Irony}} Despite the fact that the Shaggs' father was a naïve, demanding and overprotective dad.]]
** There are suspicions that their father wrote the lyrics to this song himself and made them record it, which would make it [[HarsherInHindsight Harsher]] or HilariousInHindsight depending on your view.

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* GoodParents: "Who Are Parents?" is a sweet song about love for your parents and how they take care of you. [[{{Irony}} Despite the fact The only problem is that the Shaggs' their father was a naïve, demanding demanding, and overprotective dad.]]
** There are suspicions that their father wrote
StageDad who's suspected of having even written the lyrics to this song himself and made them record it, which would make it [[HarsherInHindsight Harsher]] or HilariousInHindsight depending on your view.himself.



* HaveAGayOldTime: "Why Do I Feel" is even more hilarious with this in mind.
-->"Sometimes I worry over nothing at all\\
Sometimes I think life's just a ball \\

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* HaveAGayOldTime: "Why Do I Feel" is even more hilarious with this in mind.
-->"Sometimes
mind:
-->''"Sometimes
I worry over nothing at all\\
Sometimes I think life's just a ball \\ball\\



I try to think of something gay"

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I try to think of something gay"gay"''



* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: Uh...''ostensibly'' they're a 2.

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* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: Uh... ''ostensibly'' they're a 2.



* ThePerfectionist: [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Believe it or not]], while recording, the band had a tendency to stop recording over perceived errors.

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* ThePerfectionist: [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Believe it or not]], not, while recording, the band had a tendency to stop recording over perceived errors. One has to wonder what ''those'' were considering the end result.



* StudioChatter: The beginning of "We Have A Savior" where the engineer says "Take 2" in an almost defeated tone.

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* StudioChatter: The beginning of "We Have A Savior" a Savior", where the engineer says "Take 2" in an almost defeated tone.

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** As noted above, when they reunited with much more skill, they somehow found it a lot harder to play their terrible older songs.


In October of 2018, it was announced that there would be [[http://exclaim.ca/music/article/eighth_grade_breakout_elsie_fisher_will_star_in_a_movie_about_the_shaggs a movie based off the Shaggs' story]], starring Elsie Fisher of ''Film/EighthGrade'' fame. Against all odds (and we mean ''all'' odds), a half-century after ''Philosophy Of The World'' was released, the Shaggs' legacy lives on.

[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shaggs They have not gone unnoticed]] by Wiki/ThatOtherWiki.

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In October of 2018, it was announced that there would be [[http://exclaim.ca/music/article/eighth_grade_breakout_elsie_fisher_will_star_in_a_movie_about_the_shaggs a movie based off the Shaggs' story]], starring Elsie Fisher of ''Film/EighthGrade'' fame. Against all odds (and we mean ''all'' odds), a half-century after ''Philosophy Of The of the World'' was released, the Shaggs' legacy lives on.

[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shaggs They have not gone unnoticed]] by Wiki/ThatOtherWiki.
on.


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[[caption-width-right:350:AchievementsInIgnorance personified.]]



[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/shaggs_color.jpg]]
[[caption-width-right:350:AchievementsInIgnorance personified.]]


Helen, the drummer, took her own life in 2006. An off-Broadway musical about their life was created and ran in in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity in the early 2010s. Dot Wiggin released a solo album on [[Music/DeadKennedys Jello Biafra]]'s Alternative Tentacles label in 2013. In 2015, she was the opening act for Music/NeutralMilkHotel's reunion tour; Her band played both her new, straightforward material as well as ''Philosophy of the World'' songs played [[StylisticSuck exactly as they were]] on the album (Which, apparently, are unintentionally extraordinarily complicated to play). In 2017, the surviving members of the Shaggs - Dot, Berry and Rachel - [[http://www.nme.com/news/music/one-kurt-cobain-favourite-bands-the-shaggs-reunite-1979663 reunited]] at Music/{{Wilco}}'s Solid Sound Festival.

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Helen, the drummer, took her own life in 2006. An off-Broadway musical about their life was created and ran in in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity in the early 2010s. Dot Wiggin released a solo album on [[Music/DeadKennedys Jello Biafra]]'s Alternative Tentacles label in 2013. In 2015, she was the opening act for Music/NeutralMilkHotel's reunion tour; Her band played both her new, straightforward material as well as ''Philosophy of the World'' songs played [[StylisticSuck exactly as they were]] on the album (Which, apparently, are unintentionally extraordinarily complicated to play). In 2017, the surviving members of the Shaggs - Dot, Berry Betty and Rachel - [[http://www.nme.com/news/music/one-kurt-cobain-favourite-bands-the-shaggs-reunite-1979663 reunited]] at Music/{{Wilco}}'s Solid Sound Festival.


* MohsScaleOfLyricalHardness: 1.

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* MohsScaleOfLyricalHardness: Too innocent to be anything but a 1.



* SillyLoveSongs

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* SillyLoveSongsSillyLoveSongs: Their lyrics are so innocent it comes off almost eerie. Or maybe that's just the discordant mess of instrumentation.


Helen, the drummer, took her own life in 2006. An off-Broadway musical about their life was created and ran in in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity in the early 2010s. Dot Wiggin released a solo album on [[Music/DeadKennedys Jello Biafra]]'s Alternative Tentacles label in 2013. In 2015, she was the opening act for Music/NeutralMilkHotel's reunion tour; Her band played both her new, straightforward material as well as ''Philosophy of the World'' songs played [[StylisticSuck exactly as they were]] on the album (Which, apparently, are unintentionally extraordinarily complicated to play).

In 2017, it was announced that the surviving members of the Shaggs - Dot, Berry and Rachel - would [[http://www.nme.com/news/music/one-kurt-cobain-favourite-bands-the-shaggs-reunite-1979663 reunite]] at Music/{{Wilco}}'s Solid Sound Festival.

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Helen, the drummer, took her own life in 2006. An off-Broadway musical about their life was created and ran in in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity in the early 2010s. Dot Wiggin released a solo album on [[Music/DeadKennedys Jello Biafra]]'s Alternative Tentacles label in 2013. In 2015, she was the opening act for Music/NeutralMilkHotel's reunion tour; Her band played both her new, straightforward material as well as ''Philosophy of the World'' songs played [[StylisticSuck exactly as they were]] on the album (Which, apparently, are unintentionally extraordinarily complicated to play).

play). In 2017, it was announced that the surviving members of the Shaggs - Dot, Berry and Rachel - would [[http://www.nme.com/news/music/one-kurt-cobain-favourite-bands-the-shaggs-reunite-1979663 reunite]] reunited]] at Music/{{Wilco}}'s Solid Sound Festival.
Festival.

In October of 2018, it was announced that there would be [[http://exclaim.ca/music/article/eighth_grade_breakout_elsie_fisher_will_star_in_a_movie_about_the_shaggs a movie based off the Shaggs' story]], starring Elsie Fisher of ''Film/EighthGrade'' fame. Against all odds (and we mean ''all'' odds), a half-century after ''Philosophy Of The World'' was released, the Shaggs' legacy lives on.


* DreadfulMusician: Though they ''slowly'' developed a rudimentary sense of instrumentation, synchonization and playing in time.

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* DreadfulMusician: Though they ''slowly'' developed a rudimentary sense of instrumentation, synchonization synchronization and playing in time.


Helen, the drummer, took her own life in 2006. An off-Broadway musical about their life was created and ran in in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity in the early 2010s. Dot Wiggin released a solo album on [[Music/DeadKennedys Jello Biafra]]'s Alternative Tentacles label in 2013. In 2015, she was the opening act for Music/NeutralMilkHotel's reunion tour; Her band played both her new, straightforward material as well as ''Philosophy of the World'' songs played [[StylisticSuck exactly as they were]] on the album (Which, apparently, are unintentionally and extraordinarily complicated to play).

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Helen, the drummer, took her own life in 2006. An off-Broadway musical about their life was created and ran in in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity in the early 2010s. Dot Wiggin released a solo album on [[Music/DeadKennedys Jello Biafra]]'s Alternative Tentacles label in 2013. In 2015, she was the opening act for Music/NeutralMilkHotel's reunion tour; Her band played both her new, straightforward material as well as ''Philosophy of the World'' songs played [[StylisticSuck exactly as they were]] on the album (Which, apparently, are unintentionally and extraordinarily complicated to play).


Helen, the drummer, took her own life in 2006. An off-Broadway musical about their life was created and ran in in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity in the early 2010s. Dot Wiggin released a solo album on [[Music/DeadKennedys Jello Biafra]]'s Alternative Tentacles label in 2013.

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Helen, the drummer, took her own life in 2006. An off-Broadway musical about their life was created and ran in in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity in the early 2010s. Dot Wiggin released a solo album on [[Music/DeadKennedys Jello Biafra]]'s Alternative Tentacles label in 2013.
2013. In 2015, she was the opening act for Music/NeutralMilkHotel's reunion tour; Her band played both her new, straightforward material as well as ''Philosophy of the World'' songs played [[StylisticSuck exactly as they were]] on the album (Which, apparently, are unintentionally and extraordinarily complicated to play).


[[quoteright:350:http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/shaggs1_1874.gif]]

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[[quoteright:350:http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/shaggs1_1874.gif]]org/pmwiki/pub/images/shaggs_color.jpg]]


He withdrew his daughters, Helen, Dorothy, Betty & Rachel, from school, bought them instruments and set them up with music and voice lessons, and had the girls practice playing their instruments for a good five years straight. Austin went so far as to book them to play on Saturday nights at the Fremont, New Hampshire Town Hall, but their ineptitude at playing only resulted in the other kids picking on them. Undeterred, Austin booked a single day at the Fleetwood Recordings studio, where it became abundantly clear to the befuddled engineer that the girls weren't ready to record. Austin reportedly replied "I want to get them while they're hot." The end result, such as it is, was named ''Philosophy Of The World.''

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He withdrew his daughters, Helen, Dorothy, Betty & Rachel, from school, bought them instruments and set them up with music and voice lessons, and had the girls practice playing their instruments for a good five years straight. Austin went so far as to book them to play on Saturday nights at the Fremont, New Hampshire Town Hall, but their ineptitude at playing only resulted in the other kids picking on them. Undeterred, Austin booked a single day at the Fleetwood Recordings studio, where it became abundantly clear to the befuddled engineer that the girls weren't ready to record. Austin reportedly replied "I want to get them while they're hot." The end result, such as it is, was named ''Philosophy Of The of the World.''


* ConMan: The man Austin hired to press 1000 copies of ''World'' reportedly took 900 copies along with the money and ran. That's why original pressings are obscenely expensive.

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* ConMan: The man Austin hired to press 1000 copies of ''World'' reportedly took 900 copies along with the money and ran. That's ran, hence why original pressings are obscenely expensive.



* EstablishingSeriesMoment: Put off by "Philosophy of the World"s arrhythmic beat, flat sing-speak vocals and hopelessly amateurish instrumentation? Well get ready for ''eleven more tracks'' of it.

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* EstablishingSeriesMoment: Put off by "Philosophy of the World"s arrhythmic beat, flat sing-speak vocals and hopelessly amateurish instrumentation? Well get ready for ''eleven more tracks'' of it.



* ThePerfectionist: [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Believe it or not]], while recording, the band had a tendency to stop recording over a perceived error. This (further) confused the poor engineer who thought they ignored more major flaws like the whole "couldn't sing or play or keep in time" problem.

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* ThePerfectionist: [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Believe it or not]], while recording, the band had a tendency to stop recording over a perceived error. This (further) confused the poor engineer who thought they ignored more major flaws like the whole "couldn't sing or play or keep in time" problem.errors.


[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shaggs They have not gone unnoticed]] by ThatOtherWiki.

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[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shaggs They have not gone unnoticed]] by ThatOtherWiki.Wiki/ThatOtherWiki.

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