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* ''Webcomic/SandraAndWoo'': Larissa and her father are both artists but the two of them clash over their opposing tastes in art. Larissa makes a colorful flower painting while her dad makes a dull painting of a desolate landscape. Larissa sabotages her dad's painting by adding a smiling sun to it and he gets back at her by adding a hanging skeleton to hers. While the two of them are arguing about it the sabotaged paintings end up becoming successful, to their surprise.
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-->-- '''Henrik''', ''Theatre/ALittleNightMusic''

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[[SincerityMode But in all seriousness,]] True Art is Angsty is an AudienceReaction when a particular work is being praised for its dark and/or cynical tone. It's also a mindset that is adopted by both cynical writers and audiences who believe that adding plenty of {{Angst}} in a work can make for compelling storytelling. However, it also has a tendency to [[AngstAversion drive away some audiences on the idealistic side,]] especially [[TooBleakStoppedCaring when the story's dark tone is too much to bear and/or isn't handled properly.]]
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The experts have spoken! Only the grimmest of {{traged|y}}ies can effectively [[ContemplateOurNavels explore]] the [[WeAreAsMayflies fragility of]] [[HumansAreFlawed human existence]], the crushing agony of {{love|Hurts}} and regret, and other life-defining themes, such as [[FreudianExcuse why mommy never really loved you]] and the [[TooHappyToLive ultimate futility of happiness]]. Anything with an unambiguously HappyEnding is a piece of cheap boring commercial tripe or even [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical propaganda]]. (And outright [[ComedyGhetto comedies]]? Bourgeois garbage!)

Naturally, [[BlackAndGrayMorality nobody is really]] [[GreyAndGrayMorality the good guy]] in these stories. If there are [[AudienceSurrogate sympathetic viewpoint characters]], don't expect their suffering to be the prelude to a [[EarnYourHappyEnding ultimate triumph]]. No, they have got to be [[BreakTheCutie traumatized for life]], or even [[KillTheCutie killed off]], along with [[KillEmAll their friends]]. Heck, if there are bad guys, why not [[TheBadGuyWins let them win]] and get away with it [[KarmaHoudini scot-free]] while we are at it? That ought to drive home [[{{Anvilicious}} the message]] that [[CrapsackWorld life is suffering]].

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The experts have spoken! Only The greatest stories of all time are ones full of [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids cynicism,]] suffering, injustice, [[{{Tragedy}} tragedy]], and hopelessness. Yes, only the grimmest of {{traged|y}}ies tales can effectively [[ContemplateOurNavels explore]] the horrid realities of life itself; like the [[WeAreAsMayflies fragility of]] [[HumansAreFlawed human existence]], the crushing agony of {{love|Hurts}} [[LoveHurts love]] and regret, [[TragicDream hopes and dreams never coming to fruition,]] the [[TooHappyToLive utter futility of happiness,]] and other life-defining themes, such as [[FreudianExcuse [[ParentalNeglect why mommy never really loved you]] and the [[TooHappyToLive ultimate futility of happiness]]. Anything you.]] Therefore, any other story with an unambiguously HappyEnding is just a piece of cheap boring commercial tripe tripe, or even [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical propaganda]]. (And outright As for [[ComedyGhetto comedies]]? Bourgeois garbage!)

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comedy shows]], they're all just bourgeois garbage.

In these types of stories,
[[BlackAndGrayMorality nobody is really]] [[GreyAndGrayMorality the good guy]] in these stories. guy.]] [[DesignatedHero Not even the hero.]] If there are otherwise any nice characters present, you can expect them to get [[KillTheCutie killed off]] sooner or later, or alternatively, they will suffer a FateWorseThanDeath. If there are [[AudienceSurrogate characters with sympathetic viewpoint characters]], viewpoints,]] don't expect their suffering to be the prelude to a an [[EarnYourHappyEnding ultimate triumph]]. triumph]] (especially when they work so hard to achieve it). No, they have to [[DownerEnding ultimately fail in the end.]] In fact, they've got to be [[BreakTheCutie traumatized ''traumatized for life]], life,'' lose everything they held dear, [[DespairEventHorizon give in to despair]] [[TheHeroDies or even [[KillTheCutie be killed off]], off,]] along with [[KillEmAll their friends]]. friends and loved ones.]] Heck, if there are bad guys, villains around [[HateSink (especially hatable ones)]], why not [[TheBadGuyWins let them win]] win the day]] and get away with it have them [[KarmaHoudini scot-free]] get away with their crimes scot-free?]] Maybe even have them prosper over all the good guys while we are we're at it? That ought to drive home [[{{Anvilicious}} the message]] that [[LifeIsntFair life is unfair]] [[CrapsackWorld life is suffering]].
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* ''Series/ParksAndRecreation'': Andy thinks the opposite is true.
-->'''Andy:''' 'Cause [[Music/NeutralMilkHotel your music]] is sad, and depressing, and weird, and art... is supposed to happy, and fun, and everyone knows that.

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* ''Series/ParksAndRecreation'': ''Series/ParksAndRecreation'':
** PlayedForLaughs in "The Camel" when Leslie believes that a photo of a historic bread factory fire will win the contest for replacing one of the unpleasant murals in City Hall precisely because it's a tragic event in [[QuirkyTown Pawnee's]] history.
** In "Road Trip",
Andy thinks the opposite is true.
-->'''Andy:''' (to April) 'Cause [[Music/NeutralMilkHotel your music]] is sad, and depressing, and weird, and art... is supposed to happy, and fun, and everyone knows that.
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* Humorously parodied in [[http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/search/high%20school%20theatre these sketches]] from ''Series/SaturdayNightLive.'' Six high school students put on a bizarre, supposedly symbolic show about contemporary life, including the all-white cast pretending to be shot and declaring "AND WE WEAR ALL BLACK" and [[NoFourthWall annoying audience interaction]]. Their parents, and even the drama teacher (who is seen [[INeedAFreakingDrink chain-smoking cigarettes]]), are all confused and occasionally offended by the "artistic" piece.

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* Humorously parodied in [[http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/search/high%20school%20theatre these sketches]] from ''Series/SaturdayNightLive.'' Six high school students put on a bizarre, supposedly symbolic show about contemporary life, including the all-white cast pretending to be shot and declaring "AND WE WEAR WERE ALL BLACK" and [[NoFourthWall annoying audience interaction]]. Their parents, and even the drama teacher (who is seen [[INeedAFreakingDrink chain-smoking cigarettes]]), are all confused and occasionally offended by the "artistic" piece.
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But I'd rather make “Not Afraid 2”[[note]]"Not Afraid" from 2010's ''Recovery'' was an uplifting and inspirational song about overcoming addiction that has helped a lot of struggling people, but that a significant portion of his fans found to be {{Glurge}}[[/note]] than make another motherfucking “We Made You” [[note]]a satirical BlackSheepHit song from 2009's ''Relapse'' about Slim Shady lusting after female celebrities, which underperformed in the charts and was criticised for being [[WereStillRelevantDammit outdated]][[/note]]

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But I'd rather make “Not Afraid 2”[[note]]"Not Afraid" from 2010's ''Recovery'' was an uplifting and inspirational song about overcoming addiction that has helped a lot of struggling people, but that a significant portion of his fans found to be {{Glurge}}[[/note]] than make another motherfucking “We Made You” [[note]]a satirical BlackSheepHit song MisogynySong from 2009's ''Relapse'' about Slim Shady lusting after female celebrities, which underperformed in the charts and was criticised for being [[WereStillRelevantDammit outdated]][[/note]]outdated]].[[/note]]
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But I'd rather make “Not Afraid 2”[[note]]"Not Afraid" was an uplifting and inspirational song about overcoming addiction that has helped a lot of struggling people, but that a significant portion of his fans found to be {{Glurge}}[[/note]] than make another motherfucking “We Made You” [[note]]a satirical BlackSheepHit song in 2009 about Slim Shady lusting after female celebrities, which underperformed in the charts and was criticised for being [[WereStillRelevantDammit outdated]][[/note]]

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But I'd rather make “Not Afraid 2”[[note]]"Not Afraid" from 2010's ''Recovery'' was an uplifting and inspirational song about overcoming addiction that has helped a lot of struggling people, but that a significant portion of his fans found to be {{Glurge}}[[/note]] than make another motherfucking “We Made You” [[note]]a satirical BlackSheepHit song in 2009 from 2009's ''Relapse'' about Slim Shady lusting after female celebrities, which underperformed in the charts and was criticised for being [[WereStillRelevantDammit outdated]][[/note]]
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** In "Guts Over Fear", he discusses how he got big talking about his horrible life, and then expresses insecurity about his artistic direction now that he's experienced CreatorRecovery:
--->But what am I gonna do when the rage is gone\\
And the lights go out in that trailer park? Oh\\
And the window is closing and there's nowhere else that I can go with flows and I'm frozen\\
‘Cause there's no more emotion for me to pull from\\
Just a bunch of playful songs that I make for fun\\
So, to the break of dawn, here I go recycling the same old song\\
But I'd rather make “Not Afraid 2”[[note]]"Not Afraid" was an uplifting and inspirational song about overcoming addiction that has helped a lot of struggling people, but that a significant portion of his fans found to be {{Glurge}}[[/note]] than make another motherfucking “We Made You” [[note]]a satirical BlackSheepHit song in 2009 about Slim Shady lusting after female celebrities, which underperformed in the charts and was criticised for being [[WereStillRelevantDammit outdated]][[/note]]
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* In an interview with MTV in 1999, Music/{{Eminem}} joked that if his personal life got less horrible, that'd be when he'd start writing [[SillyLoveSongs love ballads]]. Fortunately (...?) his fame destroyed his mental health and marriage... though after his CreatorRecovery he did start making a lot more love songs, oh dear. (Though they are usually anguished songs about [[DestructiveRomance toxic, emotionally dysfunctional relationships]]).

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* In an interview with MTV in 1999, Music/{{Eminem}} joked that if his personal life got less horrible, that'd be when he'd start writing [[SillyLoveSongs love ballads]]. Fortunately (...?) his fame and LostInCharacter issues destroyed his [[CreatorBreakdown mental health health, marriage and marriage...ability to live a normal life]]... though after his CreatorRecovery he did start making a lot more love songs, oh dear. (Though they are usually anguished songs about [[DestructiveRomance toxic, emotionally dysfunctional relationships]]).
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* In an interview with MTV in 1999, Music/{{Eminem}} joked that if his personal life got less horrible, that'd be when he'd start writing [[SillyLoveSongs love ballads]]. Fortunately (...?) his fame destroyed his mental health and marriage... though after his CreatorRecovery he did start making a lot more love songs, oh dear. (Though they are usually anguished songs about [[DestructiveRomance toxic, emotionally dysfunctional relationships]]).
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* Humorously parodied in [[http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/search/high%20school%20theatre these sketches]] from ''Series/SaturdayNightLive.'' Six high school students put on a bizarre, supposedly symbolic show about contemporary life, including the all-white cast pretending to be shot and declaring "AND WE WERE ALL BLACK" and [[NoFourthWall annoying audience interaction]]. Their parents, and even the drama teacher (who is seen [[INeedAFreakingDrink chain-smoking cigarettes]]), are all confused and occasionally offended by the "artistic" piece.

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* Humorously parodied in [[http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/search/high%20school%20theatre these sketches]] from ''Series/SaturdayNightLive.'' Six high school students put on a bizarre, supposedly symbolic show about contemporary life, including the all-white cast pretending to be shot and declaring "AND WE WERE WEAR ALL BLACK" and [[NoFourthWall annoying audience interaction]]. Their parents, and even the drama teacher (who is seen [[INeedAFreakingDrink chain-smoking cigarettes]]), are all confused and occasionally offended by the "artistic" piece.
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* ''WebVideo/TheCinemaSnob'' parodies this as part of the character, such as insisting that if you have a movie with a plot similar to ''Film/{{Xanadu}}'' it should take itself a lot more seriously. Though he also parodies the inconsistent application of this mindset when it comes to certain genres, such as {{Slasher Movie}}s.

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* ''WebVideo/TheCinemaSnob'' parodies this as part of the character, such as insisting that if you have a movie with a plot similar to ''Film/{{Xanadu}}'' ''Film/{{Xanadu|1980}}'' it should take itself a lot more seriously. Though he also parodies the inconsistent application of this mindset when it comes to certain genres, such as {{Slasher Movie}}s.
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* ''Webcomic/AvasDemon'': Tuls Tenebrose liked a girl named Ranunculae, but then he died before he [[CannotSpitItOut Could Spit It Out]]. He now spends his days in Maggie's DreamWorld, painting portraits of Ranunculae to the point of bordering on a RoomFullOfCrazy.

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* ''Webcomic/AvasDemon'': Tuls Tenebrose liked a girl named Ranunculae, but then he died before he [[CannotSpitItOut Could Spit It Out]]. He now spends his days in Maggie's DreamWorld, DreamLand, painting portraits of Ranunculae to the point of bordering on a RoomFullOfCrazy.
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* ''Literature/AtlasShrugged'': Balph Eubank is a major proponent of the idea.
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* ''Film/MusicAndLyrics'': The lyricist Alex Fletcher's manager hires, Greg "the rhyming psychopath", seems to believe this as all of his ideas for lyrics are aggressively dark and he mocks Sophie's much lighter lyrical attempts. Alex himself is an [[AvertedTrope aversion]] as he explains to Sophie that a good pop song such as [[Music/TheTemptations "My Girl"]] can be more effective at changing someone's mood than most "serious" literature.
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* ''Webcomic/WebcomicName'' boils it down to its bare essentials [[https://webcomicname.com/post/653346444901859328 here]]: [[spoiler:a smiley face is not art, a frowney face is art]].

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Contrast AngstAversion (though they can overlap) and SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers. DarknessInducedAudienceApathy is an audience reaction voicing emphatic disagreement with the creator's notion of this trope.

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Contrast AngstAversion (though they can overlap) and SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers. DarknessInducedAudienceApathy TooBleakStoppedCaring is an audience reaction voicing emphatic disagreement with the creator's notion of this trope.
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* In Creator/SorenKierkegaard's work ''Either/Or'', "A", an aesthete and the author of the "Either" section, expresses this in the first paragraph. He says:
-->"What is a poet? An unhappy person who conceals profound anguish in his heart but whose lips are so formed that as sighs and cries pass over them they sound like beautiful music. It is with him as with the poor wretches in Phalaris's bronze bull, who were slowly tortured over a slow fire; their screams could not reach the tyrant's ears to terrify him; to him they sounded like sweet music. And people crowd around the poet and say to him, 'Sing again soon'—in other words, may new sufferings torture your soul, and may your lips continue to be formed as before, because your screams would only alarm us, but the music is charming. And the reviewers step up and say, 'That is right; so it must be according to the rules of esthetics.' Now of course a reviewer resembles a poet to a hair, except that he does not have the anguish in his heart, or the music on his lips. Therefore, I would rather be a swineherd out on Amager and be understood by swine than be a poet and be misunderstood by people."
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* [[Creator/GrantMorrison Grant Morrison's]] ''ComicBook/AnimalMan'' run gradually turns out to be a massive {{Deconstruction}} of this attitude and the negative effects it sometimes has on artists and their work. [[spoiler:His run climaxes with Animal Man [[BreakingTheFourthWall meeting Grant himself]] in the form of an AuthorAvatar that is suffering a CreatorBreakdown where he turns to this trope in a misguided attempt to cope with personal losses, an inability to change the world, and general artistic disillusionment. Animal Man is forced to confront [[CosmicHorrorStory the existential horror]] of knowing that his life is being [[FromBadToWorse systematically ruined]] all for the sake of cheap drama and [[WriterOnBoard propping up the political beliefs of his writer]]. Ultimately, this conversation drives Grant to a [[HeelRealization change of heart]], realizing that even fictional characters can deserve to be treated with some kindness and dignity, using a DeusExMachina to undo the suffering he put Animal Man through and implicitly regaining some measure of enjoyment from writing.]]

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* [[Creator/GrantMorrison Grant Morrison's]] ''ComicBook/AnimalMan'' run gradually turns out to be a massive {{Deconstruction}} of this attitude and the negative effects it sometimes has on artists and their work. [[spoiler:His [[spoiler:Their run climaxes with Animal Man [[BreakingTheFourthWall meeting Grant himself]] themself]] in the form of an AuthorAvatar that is suffering a CreatorBreakdown where he turns they turn to this trope in a misguided attempt to cope with personal losses, an inability to change the world, and general artistic disillusionment. Animal Man is forced to confront [[CosmicHorrorStory the existential horror]] of knowing that his life is being [[FromBadToWorse systematically ruined]] all for the sake of cheap drama and [[WriterOnBoard propping up the political beliefs of his writer]]. Ultimately, this conversation drives Grant to a [[HeelRealization change of heart]], realizing that even fictional characters can deserve to be treated with some kindness and dignity, using a DeusExMachina to undo the suffering he they put Animal Man through and implicitly regaining some measure of enjoyment from writing.]]

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* Alex in Creator/TerryGoodkind's ''The Law of Nines'' is criticized by [[StrawCritic an art gallery owner]] for only creating paintings that look beautiful and celebrate life and other dumb stuff like that, instead of exploring humanity's inherent depravity like a ''real'' artist.

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* Alex in Creator/TerryGoodkind's ''The Law of Nines'' ''Literature/TheLawOfNines'' is criticized by [[StrawCritic an art gallery owner]] for only creating paintings that look beautiful and celebrate life and other dumb stuff like that, instead of exploring humanity's inherent depravity like a ''real'' artist.artist.
* Harry from ''Literature/EyeOfAFly'', who dreams of writing the UsefulNotes/GreatAmericanNovel, seems to believe both this and TrueArtIsIncomprehensible.
-->'''Patricia''': You wrote twenty-five pages about taking a shit? That's your fucking work of art?\\
'''Harry''': It's a metaphor for life, goddamn it! You strain and strain, and it never comes out the way you want.
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Naturally, [[BlackAndGrayMorality nobody is really]] [[GreyAndGrayMorality the good guy]] in these stories. If there is a [[AudienceSurrogate sympathetic viewpoint character]], don't expect their suffering to be the prelude to a [[EarnYourHappyEnding ultimate triumph]]. No, they have got to be [[BreakTheCutie traumatized for life]], or even [[KillTheCutie killed off]], along with [[KillEmAll their friends]]. Heck, if there is a bad guy, why not [[TheBadGuyWins let them win]] and get away with it [[KarmaHoudini scot-free]] while we are at it? That ought to drive home [[{{Anvilicious}} the message]] that [[CrapsackWorld life is suffering]].

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Naturally, [[BlackAndGrayMorality nobody is really]] [[GreyAndGrayMorality the good guy]] in these stories. If there is a are [[AudienceSurrogate sympathetic viewpoint character]], characters]], don't expect their suffering to be the prelude to a [[EarnYourHappyEnding ultimate triumph]]. No, they have got to be [[BreakTheCutie traumatized for life]], or even [[KillTheCutie killed off]], along with [[KillEmAll their friends]]. Heck, if there is a are bad guy, guys, why not [[TheBadGuyWins let them win]] and get away with it [[KarmaHoudini scot-free]] while we are at it? That ought to drive home [[{{Anvilicious}} the message]] that [[CrapsackWorld life is suffering]].
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* The ''Webcomic/NerfNow'' strip [[https://www.nerfnow.com/comic/2428 "The Ends"]] associates this trend with indie studios being more "artistic" about their games (though by no means exclusive to them).

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* The ''Webcomic/NerfNow'' strip [[https://www.nerfnow.com/comic/2428 "The Ends"]] associates this trend with indie studios being more "artistic" about their games (though by no means exclusive to them). In comparison, it depicts the AAA studio as making a good ending [[MerchandiseDriven "so the players are happy with the experience and buy the sequel"]] while siding with them nonetheless because [[CatharsisFactor good endings feel good]].
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* [[Creator/GrantMorrison Grant Morrison's]] ''ComicBook/AnimalMan'' run gradually turns out to be a massive {{Deconstruction}} of this attitude and the negative effects it sometimes has on artists and their work. [[spoiler:His run climaxes with Animal Man [[BreakingTheFourthWall meeting Grant himself]] in the form of an AuthorAvatar that is suffering a CreatorBreakdown where he turns to this trope in a misguided attempt to cope with personal losses, an inability to change the world, and general artistic disillusionment. Animal Man is forced to confront [[CosmicHorrorStory the existential horror]] of knowing that his life is being [[FromBadToWorse systematically ruined]] all for the sake of cheap drama and [[WriterOnBoard propping up the political beliefs of his writer]]. Ultimately, this conversation drives Grant to a [[HeelRealization change of heart]], realizing that even fictional characters can deserve to be treated with some kindness and dignity, using a DeusExMachina to undo the suffering he put Animal Man through and implicitly regaining some measure of enjoyment from writing.]]
-->We thought that by [[DarkerAndEdgier making your world more violent]], we would make it more "realistic", more "adult". God help us if ''that's'' what it means...
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