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* In [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3735743/1/The_Moment_It_Began The Moment It Began]], instead of being defeated by ThePowerOfLove, Lord Voldemort, the most powerful Dark Wizard in the world, is defeated... [[spoiler: by Snape's Muggle father Tobias and his trusty handgun.]]
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** Actually, the robot ''can'' be destroyed if you go out of your way to over-level your characters at that early point in the game so they can damage it faster than it heals itself.
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* The 'Dragon Slayers', the bogeyman of the mutant world in the WhateleyUniverse, turns out to be a team of seven highly-trained U.S. Army soldiers with complicated tactics but standard weaponry.
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* In the world of [[TheDarkswordTrilogy the Darksword Trilogy]], everything is done by magic. Technology and science are considered Dark Arts due to a prophecy about someone without magic destroying the world and mutterings about technology being a bit ''too'' effective when it comes to killing things. [[spoiler: Halfway through people in tanks show up and demonstrate that technology is indeed a superior weapon.]]
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''"It doesn't matter how much better or faster I do things. It just doesn't '''last''' like when you do it."''

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''"It ->''"It doesn't matter how much better or faster I do things. It just doesn't '''last''' like when you do it."''
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** Well, bullet can't be dodged, but a MagicMissile can. Wizards don't engage in showdowns with muggles one on one, they are more subtle and inventive.

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* Most ''WorldOfDarkness'' characters have this problem, given that magic and mad science suffers from NoOntologicalInertia, while human technology does not.

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* Most ''WorldOfDarkness'' characters have this problem, given that magic and mad science suffers from NoOntologicalInertia, while human technology does not. TheMasquerade and the equivalent dictates are in place partially because the supernaturals learned this.



*** And then there is MageTheAscension, in which this problem was deliberately caused and created by the Technocracy.

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*** And then ** Then there is MageTheAscension, in which this problem was deliberately caused and created by the Technocracy.Technocracy.
** WerewolfTheApocalypse points out this trope in Hammer & Klaive, the splatbook detailing fetishes (magic items). Fetishes used by the more natural tribes tend to be flashy, ostentatious and straight-forward. The urban tribes, on the other hand, tend to go "Ok, we can find a wooden stick, inscribe it with a few glyphs and anoint it with sacred oils, bargain with a spirit of lightning and thus get something to point at people to kill them - or we could go to the local gunshop to get the same thing for a couple bucks." As a result, the more modern werewolves engage in lateral thinking and use fetishes for purposes that ''can't'' be achieved technologically.
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This is about regular, current human technology not attitude, eitherwise it's more a case of Humans Are Special or Humanity Is Superior.


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* This is the [[{{Anvilicious}} Anvil]] in ''FanFic/TheReturn'' The Demons and {{Eldritch Abomination}}s have all these fantastic powers, but Humans have [[HumansAreSpecial inventiveness]] and are much better at being [[HumansAreBastards bastards]].
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* ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' periodically showed that even the most BadAss of supernatural beasties could be taken down with [[RealLife real world]] firepower. While it's shown that guns can't kill vampires, they do "hurt like hell," and most other monsters have no such immunity, and even Buffy was once almost killed by an ordinary guy with a handgun. Since the [[WeirdnessCensor self-imposed]] {{Masquerade}} kept the police or military from getting involved in the plot much, and the MainCharacters could only occasionally get their hands on post-medieval weaponry, this didn't stop most fights from being superpowered slug fests. This got a little wonky in Season 4 and beyond, though, when the government ''did'' get involved, equipping a lot of {{Muggle}} soldiers with hi-tech weapons and sending them off to fight demons, but how successful this actually was tended to vary by episode.

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* ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' periodically showed that even the most BadAss of supernatural beasties could be taken down with [[RealLife real world]] firepower. While it's shown that guns can't kill vampires, they do "hurt like hell," and most other monsters have no such immunity, and even Buffy was once almost killed by an ordinary guy with a handgun. Since the [[WeirdnessCensor self-imposed]] {{Masquerade}} kept the police or military from getting involved in the plot much, and the MainCharacters could only occasionally get their hands on post-medieval weaponry, this didn't stop most fights from being superpowered slug fests. This got a little wonky in Season 4 and beyond, though, when the government ''did'' get involved, equipping a lot of {{Muggle}} soldiers with hi-tech weapons and sending them off to fight demons, but how successful this actually was tended to vary by episode. One of Joss Whedon's ideas for the season was "magic vs. science, magic kicks ass", which was proved by the CurbStompBattle in the penultimate episode, but up until the BigBad made his move, it was largely back and forth.
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** Look at it this way: TheBrigadier was a british soldier who had personally faced down the most evil and terrifying things in the entire universe - [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel the stuff of nightmares]] - and did not blink even once. That goes way beyond BadassNormal territory. The [[BigBad Destroyer Of Worlds]] never had a chance. There's a reason why he has [[TheBrigadier his own trope]].

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** Look at it this way: TheBrigadier was a british British soldier who had personally faced down the most evil and terrifying things in the entire universe - [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel the stuff of nightmares]] - and did not blink even once. That goes way beyond BadassNormal territory. The [[BigBad Destroyer Of Worlds]] never had a chance. There's a reason why he has [[TheBrigadier his own trope]].
* ''Series/{{Ultraviolet}}'' works on this, because modern technology means the "Code 5"'s - vampires - have to a lot more care these days. The hunters are armed with the likes of gas grenades loaded with the active anti-vampire ingredient of garlic, and guns with video cameras (which, like mirrors, vampires don't appear in) and carbon rounds (like tiny, very fast stakes).
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** Actually, the robot ''can'' be destroyed if you go out of your way to over-level your characters at that early point in the game so they can damage it faster than it heals itself.
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''"It doesn't matter how much better or faster I do things. It just doesn't '''last''' like when you do it."''
-->-Wizened viewpoint on mortals, ''ChangelingTheLost''
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** Look at it this way: TheBrigadier was a british soldier who had personally faced down the most evil and terrifying things in the entire universe - [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel the stuff of nightmares]] - and did not blink even once. That goes way beyond BadassNormal territory. The [[BigBad Destroyer Of Worlds]] never had a chance. There's a reason why he has [[TheBrigadier his own trope]].
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* In the ''{{Doctor Who}}'' (Seventh Doctor) episode "Battlefield" retired Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart destroys the [[BigBad Destroyer Of Worlds]] by simply walking up and shooting it in the chest with silver bullets.

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* In the ''{{Doctor Who}}'' (Seventh Doctor) episode "Battlefield" retired Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart destroys kills the [[BigBad Destroyer Of Worlds]] by simply walking up and shooting it in the chest with silver bullets.
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* In the ''{{Doctor Who}}'' (Seventh Doctor) episode "Battlefield" retired Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart destroys the [[BigBad Destroyer Of Worlds]] by simply walking up and shooting it in the chest with silver bullets.
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* A major plot point in ''{{Everworld}},'' where not only do [[spoiler:the Coo-Hatch almost hand the Hetwan a victory over Olympus with a fairly-primitive cannon]], but Senna's ultimate plan turns out to be [[spoiler:importing an army of gun-nuts into Everworld to help her overthrow the gods, who, it turns out, aren't ''quite'' as immortal as they thought]].

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* A major plot point in ''{{Everworld}},'' where not only do [[spoiler:the Coo-Hatch almost hand the Hetwan a victory over Olympus with a fairly-primitive cannon]], but Senna's ultimate plan turns out to be [[spoiler:importing an army of gun-nuts into Everworld to help her overthrow the gods, who, it turns out, aren't ''quite'' as immortal as they thought]]. thought]].
** To be fair, the closest the Sennites ever get to fighting a god is when Keith shoots the ram-headed Egyptian god in the head and he doesn't even notice. The only gods who actually die are Ganymede, the Dagda, and everyone else who gets eaten by Ka Anor; although Huitzliopoctli probably would have gone down from a more solid hit from Mjolnir.
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* Part of the ''HeraldsOfValdemar'' series' approach to magic and mages is that they can be taken down by physical force just as easily as any other mortals. This is a deliberate inclusion by the author, who didn't want magic to become an in-universe game breaker. It's neatly summed up in ''By the Sword'', when a company of PrivateMilitaryContactors is brought into Valdemar - a country where magic is all but unknown - specifically to help fight the mages of an enemy nation. When worried Valdemaran citizens stop them to ask what fighting mages is like, the inevitable response is, "They die."

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* Part of the ''HeraldsOfValdemar'' series' approach to magic and mages is that they can be taken down by physical force just as easily as any other mortals. This is a deliberate inclusion by the author, who didn't want magic to become an in-universe game breaker. It's neatly summed up in ''By the Sword'', when a company of PrivateMilitaryContactors PrivateMilitaryContractors is brought into Valdemar - a country where magic is all but unknown - specifically to help fight the mages of an enemy nation. When worried Valdemaran citizens stop them to ask what fighting mages is like, the inevitable response is, "They die."
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* Part of the ''HeraldsOfValdemar'' series' approach to magic and mages is that they can be taken down by physical force just as easily as any other mortals. This is a deliberate inclusion by the author, who didn't want magic to become an in-universe game breaker.

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* Part of the ''HeraldsOfValdemar'' series' approach to magic and mages is that they can be taken down by physical force just as easily as any other mortals. This is a deliberate inclusion by the author, who didn't want magic to become an in-universe game breaker. It's neatly summed up in ''By the Sword'', when a company of PrivateMilitaryContactors is brought into Valdemar - a country where magic is all but unknown - specifically to help fight the mages of an enemy nation. When worried Valdemaran citizens stop them to ask what fighting mages is like, the inevitable response is, "They die."
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* In ''TheDresdenFiles'' killing a wizard is considered a very dangerous proposition since, if they know they're going to die, they can expend their life energy to create a "death curse" that can do really horrible stuff to their killer. So Kincaid explains that, if he ever wanted to kill Harry, he'd do it from a mile away with a sniper rifle; the bullet would outrun its own sonic boom, making it impossible to hear coming, and once it plows through Harry's brains, he's not gonna have time left to cast any sort of spell. After being told this, Harry reflects on the fact that wizards are going to have to get used to modern day tech as the great equalizer. [[spoiler:And at the end of the book "Changes," it looks as if Kincaid has made good on his threat...]]

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* In ''TheDresdenFiles'' killing a wizard is considered a very dangerous proposition since, if they know they're going to die, they can expend their life energy to create a "death curse" that can do really horrible stuff to their killer. So Kincaid explains that, if he ever wanted to kill Harry, he'd do it from a mile away with a sniper rifle; the bullet would outrun its own sonic boom, making it impossible to hear coming, and once it plows through Harry's brains, he's not gonna have time left to cast any sort of spell. After being told this, Harry reflects on the fact that wizards are going to have to get used to modern day tech as the great equalizer. [[spoiler:And at the end of the book "Changes," it looks as if Kincaid someone has made good on his threat...the idea...]]
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* The WW2-era weapons that have crossed over to the world of Halkeginia in ''ZeroNoTsukaima'' appear to far outpower all elements of offensive magic except that of the Void.

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* The WW2-era WW2 / Vietnam war-era weapons that have crossed over to the world of Halkeginia in ''ZeroNoTsukaima'' appear to far outpower all elements of offensive magic except that of the Void.
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* An [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome awesome]] example of this pops up in ''FinalFantasyVIII''. The giant spider robot during the Dollet mission has been hounding your squad all the way down the mountain. You can't kill this thing, as it autorepairs. All your superhuman strength, training, magic, Guardian Forces, and archaic weaponry cannot freaking stop this mechanical monster. [[ImplacableMan It just keeps coming.]] Then, you get to the beach, where Quistis is waiting in the gun turret of your hovercraft, manning a .50 caliber machinegun, and she ''tears'' the robot apart with nothing but [[MoreDakka intense, drawn out automatic fire.]]

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* An [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome awesome]] example of this pops up in ''FinalFantasyVIII''. The giant spider robot during the Dollet mission has been hounding your squad all the way down the mountain. You can't kill this thing, as it autorepairs. All your superhuman strength, training, magic, Guardian Forces, and archaic weaponry cannot freaking stop this mechanical monster. [[ImplacableMan It just keeps coming.]] Then, you get to the beach, where Quistis is waiting in the gun turret of your hovercraft, manning a .50 caliber machinegun, and she ''tears'' the robot apart with nothing but [[MoreDakka intense, drawn out automatic fire.]]
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* The SealedEvilInACan in ''ReturnToCastleWolfenstein'' was sealed because he was impossible to kill in his era, by mundane means or magic. Turns out perfectly ordinary WorldWarII-era guns -- and some less ordinary ones -- do the job just fine. He's not even a PuzzleBoss -- it just takes a ''lot'' of firepower to finally bring him down.
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** It's a shame this didn't come up in the books themselves, where Muggles were almost universally depicted as pathetic and useless despite the massive amount of FridgeLogic that said they shouldn't be.
*** The wizarding world is ''insanely'' isolated from Muggle society, probably more so than is logical. As a result, their culture still thinks of Muggles as if they were medieval dirt farmers (who ''didn't'' do things better than wizards did). They've adopted some of the trappings of the Muggle world (trains and buses), but they don't really seem to grasp how Muggle use of technology has reduced the gap between the two worlds.
*** That's because the wizards always have the drop on any Muggle characters in the book. They keep themselves a secret for the most part, remember?
****This troper has a bit of problem seeing how muggles would win a war against Harry Potter wizards. Wizards have got mind control, truth serum, magical napalm, teleportation...
**** [[WeHaveReserves Muggles have sheer numbers]] and few wizards understand even the basics of how modern day technology works or is used.
**** Don't forget that wizards are still human, and will suffer from trauma like any other muggle in addition to the fact that the act of casting magic is still slower than a speeding bullet. It's not inconceivable that muggles in the future will render once fanciful feats of magic obsolete because TechnologyMarchesOn. You hear that, wizards? WE'RE ON TO YOU!
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Compare with KineticWeaponsAreJustBetter, which is when mundane weapons work better than fancy shiny phlebotinum-powered weapons.

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Compare with KineticWeaponsAreJustBetter, which is when mundane weapons work better than fancy shiny phlebotinum-powered weapons.
weapons. Compare PostmodernMagik, which is when technology and magic intertwine.



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** To be far it cheats quite a bit by making all of their mental powers, including the devastating ability to create portals from Hell wherever they like, are completely blocked by ''[[WeaksauceWeakness tinfoil]]''. It's not that hard to beat superpowers when they're neutralized by the contents of your kitchen cupboard. It's eventually explained that they're not really magic at all, and humans can replicate these effects. So this trope doesn't really apply.

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** To be far it cheats quite a bit by making all of their mental powers, including the devastating ability The daemonic power to create portals from Hell wherever they like, are possess minds is completely blocked by ''[[WeaksauceWeakness tinfoil]]''.wearing a tinfoil hat that covers the brain pan. It's not that hard to beat superpowers when they're neutralized by the contents of your kitchen cupboard. It's eventually explained Which is, of course, the whole point of the story. The mythology that they're not really magic at all, The Salvation War was based on got written more than 2,000 years ago. What were imagined to be devastatingly powerful weapons then are ineffectual today and vastly outclassed by what the humans can replicate these effects. So this trope doesn't really apply.
throw back and have easily available to them. Lightning bolts are neutralized by massed artillery barrages that clean entire grid squares of life. Sulphur and burning brimstone get napalm and Sarin nerve gas in reply. Daemonic (and angelic) ability to open portals is not blocked by tinfoil hats. In fact, the ability remains dangerous throughout the first two books and is responsible for hundreds of thousands of human deaths. It results in larger cities being ringed by defenses including rapid-fire anti-flappy guns and missiles with electromagnetic pulse warheads that can close down portals.
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***Well, in fairness, it's possible he ''did'' survive---Buffy's first instruction to the others was to gather his body parts, because they couldn't be completely sure he couldn't reassemble himself again. [[SoYeah But still]].

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***Well, in fairness, it's possible he ''did'' survive---Buffy's first instruction to the others was to gather his body parts, because they couldn't be completely sure he couldn't reassemble himself again. [[SoYeah But still]].
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** To be far it cheats quite a bit by making all of their mental powers, including the devastating ability to create portals from Hell wherever they like, are completely blocked by ''[[WeaksauceWeakness tinfoil]]''. It's not that hard to beat superpowers when they're neutralized by the contents of your kitchen cupboard. It's eventually explained that they're not really magic at all, and humans can replicate these effects. So this trope doesn't really apply.

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*** The wizarding world is ''insanely'' isolated from Muggle society, probably more so than is logical. As a result, their culture still thinks of Muggles as if they were medieval dirt farmers (who ''didn't'' do things better than wizards did). They've adopted some of the trappings of the Muggle world (trains and buses), but they don't really seem to grasp how Muggle use of technology has reduced the gap between the two worlds.



* ''TheSalvationWar'': Humans have modern day tech. Demons and angels have superpowers and Bronze Age tech. Humans are pretty quick to figure out how to counter the superpowers. It goes downhill from there for the angels and demons.

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* ''TheSalvationWar'': This is pretty much the entire theme of the work. Humans have modern day tech. Demons and angels have superpowers and Bronze Age tech. Humans are pretty quick to figure out how to counter the superpowers. It goes downhill from there for the angels and demons.
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**** Don't forget that wizards are still human, and will suffer from trauma like any other muggle plus the act of casting magic is still slower than a speeding bullet. It's not inconceivable that muggles in the future will render once fanciful feats of magic obsolete because TechnologyMarchesOn. You hear that, wizards? WE'RE ON TO YOU!

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**** Don't forget that wizards are still human, and will suffer from trauma like any other muggle plus in addition to the fact that the act of casting magic is still slower than a speeding bullet. It's not inconceivable that muggles in the future will render once fanciful feats of magic obsolete because TechnologyMarchesOn. You hear that, wizards? WE'RE ON TO YOU!
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**** Don't forget that wizards are still human, and will suffer from trauma like any other muggle. In addition the act of casting magic is still slower than a speeding bullet. It's not inconceivable that muggles will be rendering once fanciful feats of magic obsolete because TechnologyMarchesOn.

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**** Don't forget that wizards are still human, and will suffer from trauma like any other muggle. In addition muggle plus the act of casting magic is still slower than a speeding bullet. It's not inconceivable that muggles in the future will be rendering render once fanciful feats of magic obsolete because TechnologyMarchesOn.TechnologyMarchesOn. You hear that, wizards? WE'RE ON TO YOU!
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**** Don't forget that wizards are still human, and will suffer from trauma like any other muggle. In addition the act of casting magic is still slower than a speeding bullet. It's not inconceivable that muggles will be rendering once fanciful feats of magic obsolete because TechnologyMarchesOn.

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