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** He spent the beginning of ''"The Poisoned Chalice"'' gawking at her and described her as "pretty for a princess" and she [[spoiler: tricked him into drinking from said poisoned chalice.]] Subverted later on, [[spoiler: when he strikes her with a bolt of lightening.]]
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-->-- '''Merlin''' tells Tim Hunter how much it sucks when YouCantFightFate, ''TheBooksOfMagic''

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-->-- '''Merlin''' '''{{Merlin}}''' tells Tim Hunter how much it sucks when YouCantFightFate, ''TheBooksOfMagic''
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* Averted in the 1998 ''[[Film/{{Merlin}} Merlin]]'' miniseries, where Merlin tells Nimue that all his magic are only "tricks", and although she does end up trapping him through his love for her, it's at the ''real'' antagonist's behest.
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* Merlin is a character in the {{Nightside}} series. The legend is presented as truth here, with Nimue betraying Merlin and stealing his heart, causing him to be trapped beneath the world's oldest bar. Then [[spoiler:protagonist John Taylor goes back in time to when Merlin and Nimue were still together. Taylor needs strong magic to get even ''further'' back in time, so he winds up being the one who actually steals the heart. He kills accidently Nimue in the process, too, which explains why no one in the present can manage to find out where she hid the heart. It's in a Roman garbage dump.]]

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* Merlin is a character in the {{Nightside}} series. The legend is presented as truth here, with Nimue betraying Merlin and stealing his heart, causing him to be trapped beneath the world's oldest bar. Then [[spoiler:protagonist John Taylor goes back in time to when Merlin and Nimue were still together. Taylor needs strong magic to get even ''further'' back in time, so he winds up being the one who actually steals the heart. He kills accidently kills Nimue in the process, too, which explains why no one in the present can manage to find out where she hid the heart. It's in a Roman garbage dump.]]
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* Merlin is a character in the {{Nightside}} series. The legend is presented as truth here, with Nimue betraying Merlin and stealing his heart, causing him to be trapped beneath the world's oldest bar. Then [[spoiler:protagonist John Taylor goes back in time to when Merlin and Nimue were still together. Taylor needs strong magic to get even ''further'' back in time, so he winds up being the one who actually steals the heart. He kills Nimue in the process, too, which explains why no one in the present can manage to find out where she hid the heart. It's in a Roman garbage dump.]]

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* Merlin is a character in the {{Nightside}} series. The legend is presented as truth here, with Nimue betraying Merlin and stealing his heart, causing him to be trapped beneath the world's oldest bar. Then [[spoiler:protagonist John Taylor goes back in time to when Merlin and Nimue were still together. Taylor needs strong magic to get even ''further'' back in time, so he winds up being the one who actually steals the heart. He kills accidently Nimue in the process, too, which explains why no one in the present can manage to find out where she hid the heart. It's in a Roman garbage dump.]]
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The TropeNamer and probable TropeMaker is [[KingArthur the Arthurian Mythos]], where {{Merlin}} had a habit of teaching magic to younger women. In the oldest stories his pupil/lover's name was Nynave, (but this is often changed to Nimue and sometimes changed again to other names, with Vivien/Vivianne being the most common) and she eventually betrayed him and [[SealedGoodInACan bound Merlin in a tree, a rock or a cave]], depending on the version of the story you're reading or watching. (As a small note, if you're not an expert on Arthurian legend and are wondering why you don't hear about this character all that often, these days she is [[CompositeCharacter often combined]] with Morgan Le Fay/Morgause, the mother of Mordred.)

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The TropeNamer and probable TropeMaker is [[KingArthur the Arthurian Mythos]], where {{Merlin}} had a habit of teaching magic to younger women. In the oldest stories his pupil/lover's name was Nynave, (but this is often changed to Nimue and sometimes changed again to other names, with Vivien/Vivianne being the most common) and she eventually betrayed him and [[SealedGoodInACan bound Merlin in a tree, a rock or a cave]], depending on the version of the story you're reading or watching. (As a small note, if you're not an expert on Arthurian legend and are wondering why you don't hear about this character all that often, these days she is [[CompositeCharacter often combined]] or interchangeable with Morgan Le Fay/Morgause, the mother of Mordred.)
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** This also comes up in regards to Wardens Lucio and Morgan, whose relationship was very similiar, [[UnresolvedSexualTension one-sided UST and all.]] Also of note is Ebenezer McCoy and [[spoiler: Margaret Dresden, Harry's mother.]]

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** This also comes up in regards to Wardens Lucio and Morgan, whose relationship was very similiar, [[UnresolvedSexualTension one-sided UST and all.]] Also of note is Ebenezer McCoy and [[spoiler: Margaret Dresden, Harry's mother.]] Is it still this trope when they're father and daughter?]]
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* In the first movie to CardCaptorSakura, it is revealed that Clow Reed had a student known only as "Madoushi" ("Sorceress"), who was also [[HotForStudent his girlfriend]]. They had a good relationship, until [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope she decided]] [[HeelFaceTurn she wanted more power]] and [[MoralEventHorizon began practicing dark magic]]. He couldn't allow her to continue to do this, so he [[WhatTheHellHero called her out on this]] and told her that she was no longer his student (and no longer his girlfriend), despite her protests and promises that they could rule the world together. She continued to practice her dark magic, so he [[SealedRoomInTheMiddleOfNowhere sealed her up in an alternate dimension he created and left her there]]. [[FridgeHorror (It is not known when or even ''if'' he ever intended to let her out.)]] She died in there, [[GhostlyGoals still waiting to be set free]], and causes problems for Sakura and her friends.

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* In the first movie to CardCaptorSakura, it is revealed that Clow Reed had a student known only as "Madoushi" ("Sorceress"), who was also [[HotForStudent his girlfriend]]. They had a good relationship, until [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope she decided]] [[HeelFaceTurn [[FaceHeelTurn she wanted more power]] and [[MoralEventHorizon began practicing dark magic]]. He couldn't allow her to continue to do this, so he [[WhatTheHellHero called her out on this]] and told her that she was no longer his student (and no longer his girlfriend), despite her protests and promises that they could rule the world together. She continued to practice her dark magic, so he [[SealedRoomInTheMiddleOfNowhere sealed her up in an alternate dimension he created and left her there]]. [[FridgeHorror (It is not known when or even ''if'' he ever intended to let her out.)]] She died in there, [[GhostlyGoals still waiting to be set free]], and causes problems for Sakura and her friends.
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* In the first movie to CardCaptorSakura, it is revealed that Clow Reed had a student known only as "Madoushi" ("Sorceress"), who was also [[HotForStudent his girlfriend]]. They had a good relationship, until [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope she decided]] [[HeelFaceTurn she wanted more power]] and [[MoralEventHorizon began practicing dark magic]]. He couldn't allow her to continue to do this, so he [[WhatTheHellHero called her out on this]] and told her that she was no longer his student (and no longer his girlfriend), despite her protests and promises that they could rule the world together. She continued to practice her dark magic, so he [[SealedRoomInTheMiddleOfNowhere sealed her up in an alternate dimension he created and left her there]]. [[FridgeHorror (It is not known when or even ''if'' he ever intended to let her out.)]] She died in there, [[GhostlyGoals still waiting to be set free]], and causes problems for Sakura and her friends.

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* In the ''{{Hellboy}}'' comicbooks, it's eventually revealed that the Queen of Blood, the genocidal new leader of TheFairFolk, is Nimue herself. As it turns out, she turned to evil back in the Arthurian days due to the whisperings of [[EldritchAbomination the Ogdru Jahad]].

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* In the ''{{Hellboy}}'' comicbooks, it's eventually revealed that the Queen of Blood, the genocidal new leader of TheFairFolk, is Nimue herself. As it turns out, she turned to evil back in the Arthurian days due to it was the whisperings of [[EldritchAbomination the Ogdru Jahad]].Jahad]] that caused her to originally betray Merlin and turn to evil.

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* In the ''{{Hellboy}}'' comicbooks, it's eventually revealed that the Queen of Blood, the genocidal new leader of TheFairFolk, is Nimue herself. As it turns out, she turned to evil back in the Arthurian days due to the whisperings of [[EldritchAbomination the Ogdru Jahad]].

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-->''Nimue will come along and I'll go panting after her like a dog-fox in heat. I'll teach her too little magic to do her any good, and too much for my safety, all while trying to get into her petticoats. And then she'll entice me into a cave, and bind me with my own magic, and leave me to rot.''
-->--Merlin in ''TheBooksOfMagic'' discussing with Tim Hunter how much it sucks when YouCantFightFate.

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-->''Nimue ->''Nimue will come along and I'll go panting after her like a dog-fox in heat. I'll teach her too little magic to do her any good, and too much for my safety, all while trying to get into her petticoats. And then she'll entice me into a cave, and bind me with my own magic, and leave me to rot.''
-->--Merlin in ''TheBooksOfMagic'' discussing with -->-- '''Merlin''' tells Tim Hunter how much it sucks when YouCantFightFate.
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* About as thoroughly averted as possible in BBC's ''{{Merlin}}'', as A) Nimueh is older and more experienced than Merlin, B) Nimueh starts out evil, C) there's no attraction between the two and D) [[spoiler: Merlin apparently kills Nimueh at the end of Series 1]].

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* About as thoroughly averted as possible in BBC's ''{{Merlin}}'', ''{{Series/Merlin}}'', as A) Nimueh is older and more experienced than Merlin, B) Nimueh starts out evil, C) there's no attraction between the two and D) [[spoiler: Merlin apparently kills Nimueh at the end of Series 1]].
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The TropeNamer and probable TropeMaker is [[KingArthur the Arthurian Mythos]], where Merlin had a habit of teaching magic to younger women. In the oldest stories his pupil/lover's name was Nynave, (but this is often changed to Nimue and sometimes changed again to other names, with Vivien/Vivianne being the most common) and she eventually betrayed him and [[SealedGoodInACan bound Merlin in a tree, a rock or a cave]], depending on the version of the story you're reading or watching. (As a small note, if you're not an expert on Arthurian legend and are wondering why you don't hear about this character all that often, these days she is [[CompositeCharacter often combined]] with Morgan Le Fay/Morgause, the mother of Mordred.)

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The TropeNamer and probable TropeMaker is [[KingArthur the Arthurian Mythos]], where Merlin {{Merlin}} had a habit of teaching magic to younger women. In the oldest stories his pupil/lover's name was Nynave, (but this is often changed to Nimue and sometimes changed again to other names, with Vivien/Vivianne being the most common) and she eventually betrayed him and [[SealedGoodInACan bound Merlin in a tree, a rock or a cave]], depending on the version of the story you're reading or watching. (As a small note, if you're not an expert on Arthurian legend and are wondering why you don't hear about this character all that often, these days she is [[CompositeCharacter often combined]] with Morgan Le Fay/Morgause, the mother of Mordred.)
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** Merlin does state that he knows it'll happen and does look forward to having a nice period of time resting up. His only regrets are that he forgets to tell Arthur who his mother is, and he wants to warn the Round Table of who actually poisoned some apples and killed an Irish knight named Sir Patrick. The latter regret is fixed when he asks Nimue to show up and clear up the mess. While she does it willingly, she unfortunately shows up a day late, and only narrowly saves Guinevere from being tried for attempted poisoning of Sir Gawain.
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*** Which has two interpretations: either she literally gains magic power from his being dead, or she [[ThePowerOfLove became stronger on her own to avenge him]].
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** This also comes up in regards to Wardens Lucio and Morgan, whose relationship was very similiar, [[UnresolvedSexualTension one-sided UST and all.]] Also of note is Ebenezer McCoy and [[spoiler: Margaret Dresden, Harry's mother.]]
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* In ''TheWheelOfTime'', Moiraine has this relationship early in the series with Rand. In the later books, Cadsuane takes up the older mentor role in Moiraine's place.

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* In ''TheWheelOfTime'', Moiraine has this relationship early in the series with Rand. In the later books, Cadsuane takes up the older mentor role in Moiraine's place. This gets awkward when Rand integrates the memories from his last incarnation, Lews Therin (whose voice in his head, though not memories, had been a sympton of his insanity), as he points out to Cadsuane he was four hundred years old when he died in the Age of Legends, and hardly a 'boy' any longer.
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* {{Safehold}} has an amusing twist. Because the world has regressed and Women are viewed as the weaker sex, Nimue becomes Merlin.

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* {{Safehold}} has an amusing twist. Because doesn't make any real use of this trope but does contain a ShoutOut to the world has regressed and Women are viewed as {{TropeNamer}}s -- the weaker sex, main character is a woman named Nimue becomes who, upon being "reincarnated" as a RidiculouslyHumanRobot, takes on the identity of a man named Merlin.
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[[caption-width-right:319:Now that we're lovers, I'll teach her everything I know. WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong?]]

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* Gorynel Desse and [[spoiler Cailet]], although he doesn't act on his feelings.

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* Gorynel Desse and [[spoiler [[spoiler: Cailet]], although he doesn't act on his feelings.
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* Gorynel Desse and [[spoiler Cailet]], although he doesn't act on his feelings.
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* In ''Le Morte D'Arthur'', the most well-known version, Nimue is portrayed as justified in sealing Merlin away, as Merlin used his status as her teacher to [[StalkerWithACrush come onto her against her will]].
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* ''YuGiOh'' example: the Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl, both the cards and their Ancient Egyptian counterparts. They are rather closer in age than most, with there being only about a 10 year age difference.

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* ''YuGiOh'' ''[=~Yu-Gi-Oh!~=]'' example: the Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl, both the cards and their Ancient Egyptian counterparts. They are rather closer in age than most, with there being only about a 10 year age difference.
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* The ''{{Dungeons And Dragons}}'' supplement "Book of Vile Darkness" included a prestige class named Thrall of Graz'zt that was described as being sort of a Loremaster who acquires secrets by seduction rather than by study. That's right, there's a whole class oriented around being Nimue. And yes, it has class abilities that can be described as basically "backstabbing, only with magic".
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* About as thoroughly averted as possible in BBC's {{Merlin}}, as A) Nimueh is older and more experienced than Merlin, B) Nimueh starts out evil, C) there's no attraction between the two and D) [[spoiler: Merlin apparently kills Nimueh at the end of Series 1]].

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* About as thoroughly averted as possible in BBC's {{Merlin}}, ''{{Merlin}}'', as A) Nimueh is older and more experienced than Merlin, B) Nimueh starts out evil, C) there's no attraction between the two and D) [[spoiler: Merlin apparently kills Nimueh at the end of Series 1]].
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* About as thoroughly averted as possible in BBC's {{Merlin}}, as A) Nimueh is older and more experienced than Merlin, B) Nimueh starts out evil, C) there's no attraction between the two and D) [[spoiler: Merlin apparently kills Nimueh at the end of Series 1]].
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* This was [[CliveBarkersUndying Bethany Covenant's]] modus operandi, learning everything she can from other magic users before betraying or abandoning them. She finally met her end when her final teacher offed ''her'' first.
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* In ''ArthurKingOfTimeAndSpace'', Merlin's "betrayal" by Nimue, despite being [[http://www.arthurkingoftimeandspace.com/0062.htm heavily foreshadowed]], is actually [[http://www.arthurkingoftimeandspace.com/2005.htm a complete accident on her part]]. The betrayal aspect gets played straight with [[http://www.arthurkingoftimeandspace.com/0444.htm Morgan]], though.

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* In ''ArthurKingOfTimeAndSpace'', Merlin's "betrayal" by Nimue, despite being [[http://www.arthurkingoftimeandspace.com/0062.htm heavily foreshadowed]], is actually [[http://www.arthurkingoftimeandspace.com/2005.htm a complete accident on her part]]. The betrayal aspect gets played straight with [[http://www.arthurkingoftimeandspace.com/0444.htm Morgan]], though. As to whether Merlin has a relationship with his apprentices, [[http://www.arthurkingoftimeandspace.com/0026.htm well]]...

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