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* Evangeline A.K. [=McDowell=] from ''MahouSenseiNegima'' is more or less trapped in the revolving door, appearing first as the villain, then as the EleventhHourSuperpower, then mostly remaining the "evil" good. Being a JerkWithAHeartOfGold does not help definig her either.

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* Evangeline A.K. [=McDowell=] from ''MahouSenseiNegima'' is more or less trapped in the revolving door, appearing first as the villain, then as the EleventhHourSuperpower, then mostly remaining the "evil" good. Being a JerkWithAHeartOfGold does not help definig defining her either.
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* MarvelComics' version of Ares started as a CardCarryingVillain who was causing wars and conflicts only because he liked it, but was also fighting alongside other Olympians against a common enemy. Then he realized the other gods would never accept him, went to Earth and lived peacefully among the mortals. Then, when his son got kidnapped, he joined the Olympians in the fight againt evil Japanese god Amatsu-Mikaboshi. Later he joined one of the incarnations of Comicbook/TheAvengers but often acted like a typical villain towards [[IncredibleHercules Hercules]]. [[ComicBook/DarkReign Then]] he joined DarkAvengers, team of villains posing as heroes and was fighting both good and bad guys as well, while being one of the few members who were treating the heroic part seriously. At the same time he was training a team of killers for Norman Osborn and let his son join Nick Fury, who was opposing Osborn. Finally he [[spoiler: betrayed Osbron after finding out he lied to him about Asgard being ruled by Loki and died, fighting alongside Norse Gods he was beating minutes ago]].

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* MarvelComics' version of Ares started as a CardCarryingVillain who was causing wars and conflicts only because he liked it, but was also fighting alongside other Olympians against a common enemy. Then he realized the other gods would never accept him, went to Earth and lived peacefully among the mortals. Then, when his son got kidnapped, he joined the Olympians in the fight againt evil Japanese god Amatsu-Mikaboshi. Later he joined one of the incarnations of Comicbook/TheAvengers but often acted like a typical villain towards [[IncredibleHercules Hercules]]. [[ComicBook/DarkReign Then]] he joined DarkAvengers, team of villains posing as heroes and was fighting both good and bad guys as well, while being one of the few members who were treating the heroic part seriously. At the same time he was training a team of killers for Norman Osborn and let his son join Nick Fury, who was opposing Osborn. Finally he [[spoiler: betrayed Osbron Osborn after finding out he lied to him about Asgard being ruled by Loki and died, fighting alongside Norse Gods he was beating minutes ago]].
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**Now it appears it MAY be a more sincere FaceHeelTurn and he genuinely wants to help Agatha. For now.
**Gil's manservant [[BattleButler Wooster]] may have changed allegiences from his [[spoiler: British spymasters]] to Gil and then possibly from Gil to Agatha--or he never abandoned his first loyalties. Given the way Sparks influence non-Sparks, it's not entirely clear.
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Red Faction II, Shrike didn't turn.

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** Shrike only [[ReverseMole appears]] to do a face heel, barring him from any turn at all.
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* Computer Jack from {{Gone}}. He starts out the series as part of Caine's group, mostly out of fear. He seems to be considering a HeelFaceTurn for a while, but Diana has to threaten him to get him to go tell Sam, the hero, how to survive his fifteenth birthday, saying that it's "time to do the right thing, even if it is for the wrong reason." He spends the first half of book 2 obviously on Sam's side, until Diana shows up and convinces him to pull a FaceHeelTurn and help Caine again. She does this by promising him "the ultimate technological challenge". He spends all of a few chapters on Caine's side, turns off the power permanently, and helps Caine remove uranium from the nuclear power plant. He's already wondering why he came back. He seems to disappear for a few scenes so that Sam and Caine can experience EnemyMine and team up against Drake, and then he's back on Sam's side. He stays on Sam's side through the entire third book, but he is also sick and not really in on the action at all. And there are still 3 more books to come.
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* Speaking of StarWars comics, and ESWU in general, baron Soontir Fel. He never was shown as a really bad guy, but he switched sides like few others. Let's see -- the [[AcePilot best Imperial pilot]] barring Vader (and that's debatable), and receiver of a baronial title, he became quickly disillusioned with Empire and joined Rogue Squadron in exchange to help in searching for his wife, then left New Republic for a stint in the Empire of the Hand, then served the Chiss Ascendancy (again distinguishing himself there up to receiving the Assistant Sindic position), and then returning to the Empire again, now serving the Pellaeon's Imperial Remnant... Let's say that when his chldren founded a new Empire, it didn't surprise anyone.
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* Wolverine of all people could be considered this. Although he'll never outright betray the X-men and is always there for them if they really really need him, he'll also constantly run off for his own personal reasons at the drop of the hat. Despite being warned often that he can't come and go as he pleases if he wants to be a full member of the team, he always does, and the X-men always take him back.
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* As of chapter 414 of {{Bleach}} it seems like [[spoiler: Gin, of all people]] ''might'' be shaping up to be this. Is he really on the good guy's side? Is he working for a higher BigBad? Is he in it ForTheEvulz? The only thing that's really certain is that he's a top-tier {{Jerkass}}.

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* As of chapter 414 of {{Bleach}} ''{{Bleach}}'', it seems like [[spoiler: Gin, of all people]] Gin]] ''might'' be shaping up to be this. Is he really on the good guy's side? Is he working for a higher BigBad? Is he in it ForTheEvulz? The only thing that's really certain is that he's a top-tier {{Jerkass}}.
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* Lampshaded a number of times in the ''Godzilla'' film Franchise, as Godzilla has been placed under mind control a number of times, rather than outright turning evil again, to the point where it was made fun of when Godzilla and Anguirus were called to save Japan by an alien reel to real tape the good guys had captured and played, but couldn't make heads or tails of in the dub of ''Godzilla vs. Gigan''. Also partially averted in the 1974 ''Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla'' as Godzilla seems to have turned evil again, but instead of it being a case of the Big G under the control of aliens, it turned out to be a machine ''disguised'' as Godzilla that was under the control of aliens.
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* Making it even ''more'' bizarre, [[spoiler:the guy killed his own ''father'' seven years before the events of the series itself, but did it because he thought it was the right thign to do, then joined Brittania!]]

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* Making it even ''more'' bizarre, [[spoiler:the guy killed his own ''father'' seven years before the events of the series itself, but did it because he thought it was the right thign thing to do, then joined Brittania!]]
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* Making it even ''more'' bizarre, [[spoiler:the guy killed his own ''father'' seven years before the events of the series itself, but did it because he thought it was the right thign to do, then joined Brittania!]]
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* {{Batman}} villain Two-Face literally flips a coin. Harley Quinn has also had more than one failed reformation, mostly due to her lingering, err, ''affections'' for the Joker -- himself probably the Batman villain ''least'' likely to have a HeelFaceTurn.

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* {{Batman}} villain Two-Face DarthWiki/{{Two-Face}} literally flips a coin. Harley Quinn has also had more than one failed reformation, mostly due to her lingering, err, ''affections'' for the Joker -- himself probably the Batman villain ''least'' likely to have a HeelFaceTurn.



* The Riddler sometimes went through the door as well, though currently he's a Face. It's unknown whether he will become a Heel again.

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* The Riddler TheRiddler sometimes went through the door as well, though currently he's a Face. It's unknown whether he will become a Heel again.



* Namor the Sub-Mariner deals with this so often that the trope may as well be named The Namor. He fought the original Human Torch (that's bad) and allied with him against the Axis in World War II (that's good ) then swore revenge against humanity when he thought they'd destroyed Atlantis (that's bad) then swore to defend Atlantis once it was discovered again (that's good), and the frogurt is also cursed (that's bad). To put it another way: Marvel currently has two "ruling councils" of good guys and bad guys. Namor is on both of them.

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* [[{{Sub-Mariner}} Namor the Sub-Mariner Sub-Mariner]] deals with this so often that the trope may as well be named The Namor. He fought the original Human Torch (that's bad) and allied with him against the Axis in World War II (that's good ) good) then swore revenge against humanity when he thought they'd destroyed Atlantis (that's bad) then swore to defend Atlantis once it was discovered again (that's good), and the frogurt is also cursed (that's bad). To put it another way: Marvel currently has two "ruling councils" of good guys and bad guys. Namor is on both of them.



** But it's not done yet. Quinlan's final story is set during [[RevengeOfTheSith Order 66]], which shows him deciding that he has to survive and kill Emperor Palpatine by any means necessary (that's bad). Ultimately, though, he realises that his duty as a Jedi is to protect a Wookiee village from the clone commander hunting him, and seems to sacrifice his life to stop him (that's good). [[spoiler: He survives, returns to his surviving friends and promises never to let his darkness affect his infant son (that's even better)]]

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** But it's not done yet. Quinlan's final story is set during [[RevengeOfTheSith Order 66]], which shows him deciding that he has to survive and kill Emperor Palpatine by any means necessary (that's bad). Ultimately, though, he realises that his duty as a Jedi is to protect a Wookiee village from the clone commander hunting him, and seems to sacrifice his life to stop him (that's good). [[spoiler: He survives, returns to his surviving friends and promises never to let his darkness affect his infant son (that's even better)]]better).]]



* MarvelComics version of Ares started as a CardCarryingVillain who was causing wars and conflicts only because he liked it, but was also fighting alongside other Olympians against common enemy. Then he realized other gods will never accept him, he went to Earth and lived peacefully among the mortals. Then, when his son get kidnapped, he joined Olympians in the fight againt evil Japanesse god, Amatsu-Mikaboshi. Later he joined one of the incarnations of Comicbook/TheAvengers but often acted like a typical villain towards [[IncredibleHercules Hercules]]. [[ComicBook/DarkReign Then]] he joined DarkAvengers, team of villains posing as heroes and was fighting both good and bad guys as well, while being one of the few members who were treating heroic part seriously. At the same time he was training team of killers for Norman Osborn and let his son join Nick Fury, who was opposing Osborn. Finally he [[spoiler: Betrayed Osbron after finding out he lied to him about Asgard being ruled by Loki and died, fighting alongside Norse Gods he was beating minutes ago]].

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* MarvelComics MarvelComics' version of Ares started as a CardCarryingVillain who was causing wars and conflicts only because he liked it, but was also fighting alongside other Olympians against a common enemy. Then he realized the other gods will would never accept him, he went to Earth and lived peacefully among the mortals. Then, when his son get got kidnapped, he joined the Olympians in the fight againt evil Japanesse god, Japanese god Amatsu-Mikaboshi. Later he joined one of the incarnations of Comicbook/TheAvengers but often acted like a typical villain towards [[IncredibleHercules Hercules]]. [[ComicBook/DarkReign Then]] he joined DarkAvengers, team of villains posing as heroes and was fighting both good and bad guys as well, while being one of the few members who were treating the heroic part seriously. At the same time he was training a team of killers for Norman Osborn and let his son join Nick Fury, who was opposing Osborn. Finally he [[spoiler: Betrayed betrayed Osbron after finding out he lied to him about Asgard being ruled by Loki and died, fighting alongside Norse Gods he was beating minutes ago]].
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* Pretty Bomber from the {{Bomberman}} games. While originally a member of the Five Bad Bombers, she just can't make up her mind.

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* [[YuGiOh Seto Kaiba]], one of anime's most prominent '{{Tweener}}s.
** [[YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries A morally ambiguous character...IN AMERICA!]]

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* [[YuGiOh [[{{Yu-Gi-Oh}} Seto Kaiba]], one of anime's most prominent '{{Tweener}}s.
** [[YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries A morally ambiguous character...IN AMERICA!]]
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** Given the current big match's line-up, Orton is a face-by-default for anyone that does not like Cena. Just because Edge, Jericho, Sheamus, and Wade Berrett are more infamous heels.

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Nope. Until a certain point, he needed the Gargoyles around to fufill a Stable Time Loop. Afterwords, he owed them a few for that and a few other reasons.


*** Plus destroying the Gargoyles would've really made his whole "tear down a castle in Scotland and rebuild it ontop of the world's tallest skyscraper in New York" endeavor become ultimately pointless. Xanatos obviously must have been duped by the sunk costs fallacy.
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*** Plus destroying the Gargoyles would've really made his whole "tear down a castle in Scotland and rebuild it ontop of the world's tallest skyscraper in New York" endeavor become ultimately pointless. Xanatos obviously must have been duped by the sunk costs fallacy.
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* The Master in ''Doctor Who'' does this quite frequently, partly because the fans love him and partly to demonstrate that he's just like the Doctor, only evil. Simm!Master gets this most often, especially in the End of Time, but Ainley does it most dizzyingly in The Five Doctors, going from "help the Doctor" to "help the bad guys" a handful of times in one story.

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* The Master in ''Doctor Who'' ''DoctorWho'' does this quite frequently, partly because the fans love him and partly to demonstrate that he's just like the Doctor, only evil. Simm!Master gets this most often, especially in the End of Time, but Ainley does it most dizzyingly in The Five Doctors, going from "help the Doctor" to "help the bad guys" a handful of times in one story.

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->'''D'Anna:''' "Boomer's an Eight. Shouldn't she be on the [[EnemyCivilWar other side]]?''
->'''Cavil:''' "Boomer's my pet Eight. She's seen the light of reason. And an Eight can make a [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean passionate]] ally."
->'''D'Anna:''' "Oh, until she [[AttentionDeficitOohShiny sees something shiny]]..."
-->-- '''BattlestarGalactica'''

->"Not much changes around here...except for the occasional ''allegiance''."

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->'''D'Anna:''' "Boomer's Boomer's an Eight. Shouldn't she be on the [[EnemyCivilWar other side]]?''
side]]?
->'''Cavil:''' "Boomer's Boomer's my pet Eight. She's seen the light of reason. And an Eight can make a [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean passionate]] ally."
ally.
->'''D'Anna:''' "Oh, Oh, until she [[AttentionDeficitOohShiny sees something shiny]]..."
shiny]]...
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much changes around here...here... except for the occasional ''allegiance''."'''allegiance'''."''



->"I, Baron Von Beaver, once bad, then good, then bad again, and now something thats neither."
--> '''Norbert''' as '''Baron Von Beaver''', ''TheAngryBeavers

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->"I, ->''"I, Baron Von Beaver, once bad, then good, then bad again, and now something thats neither."
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--> '''Norbert''' as '''Baron Von Beaver''', ''TheAngryBeavers
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*** Almost all important characters in the second and third movie do this.
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** Orton is either being played as a HeroicSociopath or they're milking the DracoInLeatherPants a bit; he's still very much full heel in behavior and tactics, but the crowds won't stop cheering him. He's even been called out on it, and doesn't seem to care.
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** The Rogue's Gallery enemy group consists of HeelFaceRevolvingDoor consists of former members of the ''Paragon Heroes'' and ''Rogue Isles Villains'' enemies from Bank Missions with fleshed out personalities, as well as several prominent NPCs like Frostfire and Malestrom. Many of these NPCs undergo alignment changes just like you do. Frostfire becomes a Hero, Polar Shift becomes a villain... But as the missions are random, it appears as if they're hopping all over the place, Just like you.
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** ''Finally'' appears to resolve his problems once and for all in the climactic Salucami arc, which shows him defeat the dark Jedi Master Sora Bulq, save the life of Master Tholme and pledge to leave the Jedi to marry his love interest Khaleen after the war was over and raise their child (that's good).

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** ''Finally'' appears to resolve his problems once and for all in the climactic Salucami Saleucami arc, which shows him defeat the dark Jedi Master Sora Bulq, save the life of Master Tholme and pledge to leave the Jedi to marry his love interest Khaleen after the war was over and raise their child (that's good).
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* In the Seventh Season of ''[[TwentyFour 24]]'', [[Spoiler: Tony Almeida]] made this trope into a true artform: [[Spoiler: He joined a mercenary group while working with Bill and Chloe to expose a massive web of corruption while actually working for an OmniscientCouncilOfVagueness in order to get to Alan Wilson the Ultimate [[TheManBehindTheMan Man Behind The Man]] in order to execute a RoaringRampageOfRevenge for the death of Michelle.]]

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* In the Seventh Season of ''[[TwentyFour 24]]'', [[Spoiler: Tony [[spoiler:Tony Almeida]] made this trope into a true artform: [[Spoiler: He [[spoiler:He joined a mercenary group while working with Bill and Chloe to expose a massive web of corruption while actually working for an OmniscientCouncilOfVagueness in order to get to Alan Wilson the Ultimate [[TheManBehindTheMan Man Behind The Man]] in order to execute a RoaringRampageOfRevenge for the death of Michelle.]]



** Connor probably had more switches than anyone else in the series. He showed up in Season 3 as a WellIntentionedExtremist taught by Holtz (also an example of the Well Intentioned Extremist trope) to hate his father, Angel. He went from Heel to Face and back to Heel in Season 3, then switched sides (always thinking he was on the side of good) too many times to count in Season 4. In Season 5, given a normal life, he settled on Face.

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** Connor probably had more switches than anyone else in the series. He showed up in Season 3 as a WellIntentionedExtremist taught by Holtz (also an example of the Well Intentioned Extremist WellIntentionedExtremist trope) to hate his father, Angel. He went from Heel to Face and back to Heel in Season 3, then switched sides (always thinking he was on the side of good) too many times to count in Season 4. In Season 5, given a normal life, he settled on Face.
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* ''CityOfHeroes Going Rogue'' allows you to ''live'' this Trope. You can go from being a Hero into a Villain back into a Hero, Wash Rinse Repeat. Ditto villains.
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* Cale from ''DarwinsSoldiers'' switches sides no less than four times, playing for almost every faction (experiments, terrorists, scientists, Dragnostorm) at some point. This is [[http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/index.php?showtopic=7319&view=findpost&p=9202069 lampshaded]] by Dr. Shelton.
**In ''Pavlov's Checkmate'', Cale finally gets over this, refusing to switch sides when the antagonist gives him the offer.
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The original Neverwinter Nights was the AOL game in the early 90's, not the Bio Ware version.


* Aribeth jumps around quite a lot in the original ''NeverwinterNights''. To date it is possible to have her switch sides five times.

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* Aribeth jumps around quite a lot in the original BioWare's first ''NeverwinterNights''. To date it is possible to have her switch sides five times.
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* [[spoiler:Yamato Masamoto]] from ''YoungSamurai: Way of the Warrior'' by ChrisBradford. He starts out as a full on {{Jerkass}} who despises Jack, pulls a HeelFaceTurn after [[spoiler:Dokugan Ryu]]'s attack, then pulls a FaceHeelTurn later on, ''then'' he pulls another HeelFaceTurn towards the end of the book and he and Jack become friends... SoYeah...

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* [[spoiler:Yamato Masamoto]] from ''YoungSamurai: Way of the Warrior'' by ChrisBradford. He starts out as a full on {{Jerkass}} who despises Jack, pulls a HeelFaceTurn after [[spoiler:Dokugan Ryu]]'s attack, then pulls a FaceHeelTurn later on, ''then'' he pulls another HeelFaceTurn towards the end of the book and he and Jack become friends... SoYeah...

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* Oh [[MetalGearSolid Naomi!]] Do you even have a side?



* Naomi Campbell from ''MetalGearSolid''. By the end of the first game, it ''still'' isn't clear whose side she's on. In the fourth, you're kept guessing right until the last second.

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* The Master in ''Doctor Who'' does this quite frequently, partly because the fans love him and partly to demonstrate that he's just like the Doctor, only evil. Simm!Master gets this most often, especially in the End of Time, but Ainley does it most dizzyingly in The Five Doctors, going from "help the Doctor" to "help the bad guys" a handful of times in one story.

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* The Master in ''Doctor Who'' does this quite frequently, partly because the fans love him and partly to demonstrate that he's just like the Doctor, only evil. Simm!Master gets this most often, especially in the End of Time, but Ainley does it most dizzyingly in The Five Doctors, going from "help the Doctor" to "help the bad guys" a handful of times in one story. story.
* Lionel Luthor in {{Smallville}}, who starts off ''moderately'' evil, becomes/[[RetCon is retconned to be]] [[CompleteMonster completely evil]], goes to prison, [[FreakyFriday temporarily switches bodies with Clark]] and thereby absorbs some of his strong moral fibre (making him into a good guy), is convinced to readopt his villainous ways by an EvilTwin of Lex Luthor, and then spends several seasons stumbling drunkenly along the line between good and evil out of lust for Martha, before temporary possession by Jor-El converts him to the side of good [[spoiler: until Lex throws him off of a building and he dies]].

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