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May 15th 2013 at 12:12:54 PM •••

A lot of examples on this page look like they're more Chronic Backstabbing Disorder than this trope. As I understand it, if someone is naturally untrustworthy and changes sides repeatedly over the course of one story, that's Chronic Backstabbing Disorder or Wild Card; this trope is almost exclusively for serial works where an entire face-heel-turn plot arc is played out again and again. People like eg. Jack from Pirates of the Caribbean don't belong here, because they never really have a repeated face-heel-turn plot arc — they just change sides when it's convenient, or are generally untrustworthy.

But I figured I should ask here, because fixing that would require removing a significant portion of the examples on the page.

Feb 22nd 2013 at 12:59:34 PM •••

can we throw in real life example of people or country that kept swapping sides in a conflict?

like japan.

world war one: allies, (and by extension USA) World war two: enemy of us Post war: US ally again

Nov 20th 2010 at 7:16:32 PM •••

I've been wondering about that Greed/Ling example for a while, and I deleted it. It's not quite accurate, in that Ling had no control of his body during the period that Greed was more evil, nor was Greed himself really making a Face–Heel Turn, since he had no memories during that time.

And while Ling does start out a lot more selfish, he's never a bad guy.

Sep 25th 2010 at 1:17:10 PM •••

about using Beato from umineko as an exemple

i don't think Beato should be used for this trope, because it was all part of her plan(she says so herself at the end of the arc where she faked being good)

Jul 8th 2010 at 3:52:33 AM •••

Who said Char Aznable had a heroic sacrifice in the end? His death was because his Mobile Suit was destroyed, so he was killed when the man who beat him made a heroic sacrifice, and he got pulled along for the ride.

Mar 5th 2010 at 9:50:13 PM •••

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