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* On ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Cordelia expects others to give her this treatment. ItsAllAboutMe, and so she tells a story where she hit someone with a car and felt that her emotional pain from the incident was a bigger deal than the problems faced by the actual victim of the accident.
* ''Series/{{House}} M.D.'' often treats House's addiction, disability and destructive personality more as a problem for Wilson than a problem for House. It gets to the point where even the idea of anyone feeling sorry for House because of any of these reasons seems ridiculous, even though FridgeLogic tells us it really shouldn't be. Later flipped when Wilson runs into a serious problem of his own -- [[spoiler: namely, ''terminal cancer'']] -- it's all about House. Even other people act like Wilson is awful for not performing his LivingEmotionalCrutch duties for House.
-->'''Wilson:''' I'm ''[[spoiler: dying]]'', and it's all about you!



* ''Series/{{House}} M.D.'' often treats House's addiction, disability and destructive personality more as a problem for Wilson than a problem for House. It gets to the point where even the idea of anyone feeling sorry for House because of any of these reasons seems ridiculous, even though FridgeLogic tells us it really shouldn't be. Later flipped when Wilson runs into a serious problem of his own -- [[spoiler: namely, ''terminal cancer'']] -- it's all about House. Even other people act like Wilson is awful for not performing his LivingEmotionalCrutch duties for House.
-->'''Wilson:''' I'm ''[[spoiler: dying]]'', and it's all about you!
* On ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Cordelia expects others to give her this treatment. ItsAllAboutMe, and so she tells a story where she hit someone with a car and felt that her emotional pain from the incident was a bigger deal than the problems faced by the actual victim of the accident.

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* ''Series/{{House}} M.D.'' often treats House's addiction, disability ''Series/SpartacusBloodAndSand'': Downplayed in Vengeance in regards to Naevia's TraumaCongaLine, which included repeated rapes. Although the storyline initially focuses on her lover Crixus' angst and destructive personality more as a problem for Wilson than a problem for House. It gets to the point where even the idea of anyone feeling sorry for House rage over what happened, this is justified because of any of these reasons seems ridiculous, even though FridgeLogic tells us it really shouldn't be. Later flipped when Wilson runs into a serious problem of his own -- [[spoiler: namely, ''terminal cancer'']] -- it's all about House. Even other people act like Wilson is awful for not performing his LivingEmotionalCrutch duties for House.
-->'''Wilson:''' I'm ''[[spoiler: dying]]'', and it's all about you!
* On ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Cordelia expects others to give her this treatment. ItsAllAboutMe, and so she tells a story
neither the characters nor audience know [[PutOnABusToHell where she hit someone with a car Naevia is]] at this stage. After Naevia is located and felt that rescued, her own emotional pain from turmoil gets equal focus; Crixus is mostly angsty about seeing the incident was a bigger deal than woman he loves suffering, and the problems faced by the actual victim of the accident.storyline shifts focus to him helping her recover and learning how to support her.



* In ''VideoGame/TheAllianceAlive'', Azura is clearly upset by her [[spoiler:injury-induced blindness]] at several points, but the story focuses on Galil's much more vocal guilt about it. It's lazily justified in that Azura ''is'' the type to repress her feelings, but still noticeable that none of the characters try to help her get over said repression.



* In ''VideoGame/TheAllianceAlive'', Azura is clearly upset by her [[spoiler:injury-induced blindness]] at several points, but the story focuses on Galil's much more vocal guilt about it. It's lazily justified in that Azura ''is'' the type to repress her feelings, but still noticeable that none of the characters try to help her get over said repression.
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Compare and contrast with AesopCollateralDamage, where a peripheral character's undeserved suffering is also used to teach the protagonist a lesson.

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Compare and contrast with AesopCollateralDamage, where a peripheral character's undeserved suffering is also used to teach the protagonist a lesson.
lesson. Compare with DisposableWoman, which can be seen as the extreme version of this trope.
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The only glimmer of hope for a "damage victim" is that they are important characters in their own right, rather than being {{Bit Character}}s. Once a main character has recovered, things will be business as usual. It could be worse. If the wronged party isn't just injured but dies in a particularly pointless way for the main character to angst over, they were probably StuffedIntoTheFridge. Of course, [[AlwaysFemale two X-chromosomes are required]] to qualify. [[GenderFlip Usually]].

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The only glimmer of hope for a "damage victim" is that they are important characters in their own right, rather than being {{Bit Character}}s. Once a main character has recovered, things will be business as usual. It could be worse. If the wronged party isn't just injured but dies in a particularly pointless way for the main character to angst over, they were probably StuffedIntoTheFridge. Of course, [[AlwaysFemale two X-chromosomes are required]] specifically targeted by the hero's enemies for being close to qualify. [[GenderFlip Usually]].
the hero, see TargetedToHurtTheHero.
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* Manga/SailorMoon's ''Stars'' arc (manga version) demotes the Senshi so that instead of being a formidable team, they almost instantly get into dire straits and are [[spoiler: temporarily killed off]] so that we can see how heroic Usagi is as she copes with such tragedy. Other arcs do this to a lesser extent, but ''Stars'' eliminates them all in double-quick time.

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* Manga/SailorMoon's ''Manga/SailorMoon'''s ''Stars'' arc (manga version) demotes the Senshi so that instead of being a formidable team, they almost instantly get into dire straits and are [[spoiler: temporarily killed off]] so that we can see how heroic Usagi is as she copes with such tragedy. Other arcs do this to a lesser extent, but ''Stars'' eliminates them all in double-quick time.
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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}: [[spoiler:Fennec Albain]]'s death is something of an AlasPoorVillain by proxy. While it's pretty clear that it was [[KarmicDeath his own damn fault]] and the story doesn't expect the audience to feel sorry for him, [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes his brother]] is horrified when he sees it happen, and the sympathy is targeted at him.

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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}: ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': [[spoiler:Fennec Albain]]'s death is something of an AlasPoorVillain by proxy. While it's pretty clear that it was [[KarmicDeath his own damn fault]] and the story doesn't expect the audience to feel sorry for him, [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes his brother]] is horrified when he sees it happen, and the sympathy is targeted at him.
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* Most people feel soooo bad for [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Hercules]] when he accidentally kills his wife [[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/megara.html Megara]] [[note]]whose actual death depends on the version, in some she escaped and/or married Hercules's nephew Iolaus afterward[[/note]] and their children.
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* ''VideoGame/YesYourGrace'': The game gives a lot of focus to the fact that the PlayerCharacter, whose point of view the player is encouraged to adopt, is dealing with TheChainsOfCommanding. A frequent result of this is that the troubles undergone by other characters over the course of the game take a back seat to the PlayerCharacter's reactions and thoughts concerning them.

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* ''VideoGame/YesYourGrace'': The game gives a lot of focus to the fact that the PlayerCharacter, whose point of view the player is encouraged to adopt, is dealing with TheChainsOfCommanding. A frequent result of this is that the troubles undergone by other characters over the course of the game take a back seat to the PlayerCharacter's reactions and thoughts concerning feelings about them.
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* ''VideoGame/YesYourGrace'': The game gives a lot of focus to the fact that the PlayerCharacter, whose point of view the player is encouraged to adopt, is dealing with TheChainsOfCommanding. A frequent result of this is that the troubles undergone by other characters over the course of the game take a back seat to the PlayerCharacter's reactions and thoughts concerning them.
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* ''Webcomic/StandStillStaySilent'' has a subversion. When Tuuri [[spoiler:gets potentially infected with a deadly disease]], her attitude towards is NervesOfSteel with an edge of denial, while her cousin Lalli displays his worry about the situation much more openly, which makes him come across of the one being hit the hardest among the two. However, the reality of the situation eventually catches up with Tuuri, and she reacts quite badly when it happens.

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* ''Webcomic/StandStillStaySilent'' has a subversion. When Tuuri [[spoiler:gets potentially infected with a deadly disease]], her attitude towards it is NervesOfSteel with an edge of denial, while her cousin Lalli displays his worry about the situation much more openly, which makes him come across of the one being hit the hardest among the two. However, the reality of the situation eventually catches up with Tuuri, and she reacts quite badly when it happens.
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* One of [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]]'s problems with DC's ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'': Sue Dibny is raped, but the story completely ignores the issue of how the attack affects her in favour of focusing on how it affects ''everyone else''. He goes on to point out the comic's multiple narrators are all men, so while rape as a plot device (Linkara argues) is used by bad writers as "a thing that happens to women", an actual woman's take on the attack isn't provided, let alone the victim's own experience. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/34012-15-things-that-are-wrong-with-identity-crisis Here's the episode]] for more details.
* This is basically the role of Barbara Gordon in ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'', to the point that her only dialogue after she is shot and paralyzed is devoted to her worrying about how her father and Bruce will take it.

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* One of [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]]'s problems with DC's ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'': In ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' Sue Dibny is raped, but the story completely ignores the issue of how the attack affects her in favour of focusing on how it affects ''everyone else''. He goes on to point out the The comic's multiple narrators are all men, so while rape as a plot device (Linkara argues) is used by bad writers as "a thing that happens to women", an actual woman's take on the attack isn't provided, let alone the victim's own experience. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/34012-15-things-that-are-wrong-with-identity-crisis Here's the episode]] for more details.
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* This is basically the role of [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} Barbara Gordon Gordon]] in ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'', to the point that her only dialogue after she is shot and paralyzed is devoted to her worrying about how her father and Bruce will take it.



* In ''Creator/CoriFalls'''s fic ''The Thorns of the Rose'', Jessie is triggered by memories of her previous abusive relationship during a vacation, and throws herself into work to distract herself. The story is told from James's point of view and focuses on his increasing angst and the fear that Jessie's stopped loving him.

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* In ''Creator/CoriFalls'''s ''Cori Falls'''s fic ''The Thorns of the Rose'', Jessie is triggered by memories of her previous abusive relationship during a vacation, and throws herself into work to distract herself. The story is told from James's point of view and focuses on his increasing angst and the fear that Jessie's stopped loving him.

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* Most people feel soooo bad for [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Hercules]] when he accidentally kills his wife [[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/megara.html Megara]][[note]]whose actual death depends on the version, some she escaped and/or married Hercules's nephew Iolaus afterward[[/note]] and their children.

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* Most people feel soooo bad for [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Hercules]] when he accidentally kills his wife [[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/megara.html Megara]][[note]]whose Megara]] [[note]]whose actual death depends on the version, in some she escaped and/or married Hercules's nephew Iolaus afterward[[/note]] and their children.



** ''Parting Glances'' plays it dead-straight, even with a scene in which (cool, accepting) Nick comforts Michael when he cries.

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** ''Parting Glances'' plays it dead-straight, dead straight, even with including a scene in which (cool, accepting) Nick comforts Michael when he cries.


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* In ''VideoGame/TheAllianceAlive'', Azura is clearly upset by her [[spoiler:injury-induced blindness]] at several points, but the story focuses on Galil's much more vocal guilt about it. It's lazily justified in that Azura ''is'' the type to repress her feelings, but still noticeable that none of the characters try to help her get over said repression.
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* Shippy fanfic, in general, loves this trope, especially if a BodyguardCrush is involved.
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The only glimmer of hope for a "damage victim" is that they are important characters in their own right, rather than being {{Bit Character}}s. Once a [[TheProtagonist main character]] has recovered, things will be business as usual. It could be worse. If the wronged party isn't just injured but dies in a particularly pointless way for the main character to angst over, they were probably StuffedIntoTheFridge. Of course, [[AlwaysFemale two X-chromosomes are required]] to qualify. [[GenderFlip Usually]].

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The only glimmer of hope for a "damage victim" is that they are important characters in their own right, rather than being {{Bit Character}}s. Once a [[TheProtagonist main character]] character has recovered, things will be business as usual. It could be worse. If the wronged party isn't just injured but dies in a particularly pointless way for the main character to angst over, they were probably StuffedIntoTheFridge. Of course, [[AlwaysFemale two X-chromosomes are required]] to qualify. [[GenderFlip Usually]].
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** A big part of ''Literature/HandleWithCare'' is the fact that while Willow is physically injured for most of the book (she has brittle bone disease), it's her mother, Charlotte, that does all the angsting -- and it's her mother's lawsuit that threatens the family, not Willow's disease. Even Charlotte is forced to realise that the court case she's set in motion is more about herself that Willow.

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** A big part of ''Literature/HandleWithCare'' is the fact that while Willow is physically injured for most of the book (she has brittle bone disease), it's her mother, Charlotte, that does all the angsting -- and it's her mother's lawsuit that threatens the family, not Willow's disease. Even Charlotte is forced to realise that the court case she's set in motion is more about herself that than Willow.
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But the writers aren't directing the audience's sympathies toward the victim but instead toward someone close to the victim. While the victim is recovering, their significant other is raving "[[ILetGwenStacyDie I failed to protect them!]]" or "What happens to our relationship now?" Entire plot lines are devoted to how this person gets over the tragedy.

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But the writers aren't directing the audience's sympathies toward the victim but instead toward someone close to the victim. While the victim is recovering, their significant other is raving "[[ILetGwenStacyDie I failed to protect them!]]" or "What happens to our relationship now?" Entire plot lines plotlines are devoted to how this person gets over the tragedy.



When well used, this trope establishes the bond between the two characters, especially if the viewer recognises that Character A reacts more violently when Character B is hurt than if they themselves were. When badly executed, Character A may well look like an attention seeking diva, and the viewer may wonder if Character B needs this much drama in their life when they're trying to recover.

The only glimmer of hope for a "damage victim" is that they are important characters in their own right, rather than being {{Bit Character}}s. Once a [[TheProtagonist main character]] has recovered, things will be business as usual. It could be worse. If the wronged party isn't just injured, but dies in a particularly pointless way for the main character to angst over, they were probably StuffedIntoTheFridge. Of course, [[AlwaysFemale two X-chromosomes are required]] to qualify. [[GenderFlip Usually]].

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When well used, this trope establishes the bond between the two characters, especially if the viewer recognises that Character A reacts more violently when Character B is hurt than if they themselves were. When badly executed, Character A may well look like an attention seeking attention-seeking diva, and the viewer may wonder if Character B needs this much drama in their life when they're trying to recover.

The only glimmer of hope for a "damage victim" is that they are important characters in their own right, rather than being {{Bit Character}}s. Once a [[TheProtagonist main character]] has recovered, things will be business as usual. It could be worse. If the wronged party isn't just injured, injured but dies in a particularly pointless way for the main character to angst over, they were probably StuffedIntoTheFridge. Of course, [[AlwaysFemale two X-chromosomes are required]] to qualify. [[GenderFlip Usually]].



* Both Kisa and Rin are viciously attacked by Akito in ''Manga/FruitsBasket''. Rin in particular is badly injured after being pushed out of an upper floor window. However, both girls seem to discount these events in their catalogue of tragedies. Kisa is more worried about the bullying she suffers at school, while Rin desperately searches for a cure to the Sohma curse in between hospital visits. Their love interests, Hiro and Hatsuharu respectively, on the other hand, angst constantly about their failure to protect their girlfriends. Hiro especially sees his inability to stand up to Akito and prevent the attack as an insult to his masculine pride and proof that he is unworthy of Kisa.
* Shuichi from ''Manga/{{Gravitation}}'' is brutally gang raped, actually submitting to the attack in an attempt to preserve his boyfriend's reputation... despite the fact that said boyfriend, Yuki, has just dumped him. Shuichi's best friend seems to be the only one who takes the attack seriously, and he storms off to Yuki's house, both to reprimand him for the way he's treated his friend and to inform him of the rape. Yuki responds by threatening Taki, the leader of a rival band and the one who ordered Shuichi raped. After this display of machismo on Yuki's part, Shuichi himself seems to get over the rape remarkably quickly. A few chapters later though, it's Yuki who has a not-so-HeroicBSOD, claiming that it's his fault that Shuichi had to suffer (which is at least somewhat correct) and resulting in Shuichi comforting Yuki for the trauma Shuichi's rape inflicted on the novelist (which just seems plain wrong). In fact, it seems the rape was only there as an introduction to Yuki's [[DarkAndTroubledPast dark past]]. Yuki's angst at the attack on his boyfriend seems doubly bizarre since, in the manga at least, his first sexual encounter with Shuichi wasn't entirely consensual on Shuichi's part. The attitude of Collateral Angst is reflected by the characters within the story as well: only when Yuki is affected by these events does record company owner (and Shuichi and Taki's boss) Tohma decide to take action against Taki. He didn't really care about Shuichi being raped, but making Yuki cry warrants serious punishment. Then again, Tohma's a bit [[{{Yandere}} scary and weird to begin with]].

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* Both Kisa and Rin are viciously attacked by Akito in ''Manga/FruitsBasket''. Rin Rin, in particular particular, is badly injured after being pushed out of an upper floor window. However, both girls seem to discount these events in their catalogue of tragedies. Kisa is more worried about the bullying she suffers at school, while Rin desperately searches for a cure to the Sohma curse in between hospital visits. Their love interests, Hiro and Hatsuharu respectively, on the other hand, angst constantly about their failure to protect their girlfriends. Hiro especially sees his inability to stand up to Akito and prevent the attack as an insult to his masculine pride and proof that he is unworthy of Kisa.
* Shuichi from ''Manga/{{Gravitation}}'' is brutally gang raped, gang-raped, actually submitting to the attack in an attempt to preserve his boyfriend's reputation... despite the fact that said boyfriend, Yuki, has just dumped him. Shuichi's best friend seems to be the only one who takes the attack seriously, and he storms off to Yuki's house, both to reprimand him for the way he's treated his friend and to inform him of the rape. Yuki responds by threatening Taki, the leader of a rival band and the one who ordered Shuichi raped. After this display of machismo on Yuki's part, Shuichi himself seems to get over the rape remarkably quickly. A few chapters later though, it's Yuki who has a not-so-HeroicBSOD, claiming that it's his fault that Shuichi had to suffer (which is at least somewhat correct) and resulting in Shuichi comforting Yuki for the trauma Shuichi's rape inflicted on the novelist (which just seems plain wrong). In fact, it seems the rape was only there as an introduction to Yuki's [[DarkAndTroubledPast dark past]]. Yuki's angst at the attack on his boyfriend seems doubly bizarre since, in the manga at least, his first sexual encounter with Shuichi wasn't entirely consensual on Shuichi's part. The attitude of Collateral Angst is reflected by the characters within the story as well: only when Yuki is affected by these events does record company owner (and Shuichi and Taki's boss) Tohma decide decides to take action against Taki. He didn't really care about Shuichi being raped, but making Yuki cry warrants serious punishment. Then again, Tohma's a bit [[{{Yandere}} scary and weird to begin with]].



* One of [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]]'s problems with DC's ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'': Sue Dibny is raped, but the story completely ignores the issue of how the attack affects her in favour of focusing on how it affects ''everyone else''. He goes on to point out the the comic's multiple narrators are all men, so while rape as a plot device (Linkara argues) is used by bad writers as "a thing that happens to women", an actual woman's take on the attack isn't provided, let alone the victim's own experience. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/34012-15-things-that-are-wrong-with-identity-crisis Here's the episode]] for more details.

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* One of [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]]'s problems with DC's ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'': Sue Dibny is raped, but the story completely ignores the issue of how the attack affects her in favour of focusing on how it affects ''everyone else''. He goes on to point out the the comic's multiple narrators are all men, so while rape as a plot device (Linkara argues) is used by bad writers as "a thing that happens to women", an actual woman's take on the attack isn't provided, let alone the victim's own experience. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/34012-15-things-that-are-wrong-with-identity-crisis Here's the episode]] for more details.



* Shippy fanfic in general loves this trope, especially if a BodyguardCrush is involved.

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* Shippy fanfic fanfic, in general general, loves this trope, especially if a BodyguardCrush is involved.



** ''Literature/MySistersKeeper'' seems set up for this trope. A young girl has leukaemia, tragic: we learn about her mother's constant state of panic and worry over looking after her; her father's shame over not being able to help and tendency to withdraw to his fire station and astronomy for peace; her brother's frustration at getting no attention from a family so wrapped up in her condition that he becomes a juvenile delinquent; and her younger sister, who was born for the sole purpose of being her organ donor, and who gets tired of being seen only as a means to keep her sister alive. The plot of the book focusing on the lawsuit that said younger sister launches to get medical emancipation to prevent her parents from forcing her to donate a kidney to her sister. Precious little attention is given to Kate, the actual girl with a terminal illness. It's worth mentioning that the book has a shifting first person perspective so that all of the above characters (as well as a lawyer involved with the case) have at least a few chapters which they narrate, which give us an insight into them, what they're like and how they develop over the course of the book... except for Kate, naturally, whose narration is minimal [[spoiler: and saved for the final chapter]] and whom we mostly learn about through other people's eyes.

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** ''Literature/MySistersKeeper'' seems set up for this trope. A young girl has leukaemia, leukemia, tragic: we learn about her mother's constant state of panic and worry over looking after her; her father's shame over not being able to help and tendency to withdraw to his fire station and astronomy for peace; her brother's frustration at getting no attention from a family so wrapped up in her condition that he becomes a juvenile delinquent; and her younger sister, who was born for the sole purpose of being her organ donor, and who gets tired of being seen only as a means to keep her sister alive. The plot of the book focusing on the lawsuit that said younger sister launches to get medical emancipation to prevent her parents from forcing her to donate a kidney to her sister. Precious little attention is given to Kate, the actual girl with a terminal illness. It's worth mentioning that the book has a shifting first person first-person perspective so that all of the above characters (as well as a lawyer involved with the case) have at least a few chapters which they narrate, which give us an insight into them, what they're like and how they develop over the course of the book... except for Kate, naturally, whose narration is minimal [[spoiler: and saved for the final chapter]] and whom we mostly learn about through other people's eyes.



* Creator/DavidWeber makes a point of using this with his character deaths; the focus is almost always on the pain of the dead character's surviving friends and family. This is part of a larger, overarching WarIsHell aesop, in which Weber makes damned sure to remind his readers that no matter how noble or necessary a death might be, it's still going to hurt like hell for the people left behind. A prime example occurs in ''[[Literature/HonorHarrington At All Costs]]'': losing [[spoiler:Javier Giscard]] in battle hurts like hell, as is par for the course for Weber, but the ''real'' agony is in [[spoiler:his lover Eloise Pritchart]]'s reaction to losing [[spoiler:the man who was essentially her husband in all but name]]. (The reaction in question is, of course, an utterly broken heart.)

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* Creator/DavidWeber makes a point of using this with his character deaths; the focus is almost always on the pain of the dead character's surviving friends and family. This is part of a larger, overarching WarIsHell aesop, Aesop, in which Weber makes damned sure to remind his readers that no matter how noble or necessary a death might be, it's still going to hurt like hell for the people left behind. A prime example occurs in ''[[Literature/HonorHarrington At All Costs]]'': losing [[spoiler:Javier Giscard]] in battle hurts like hell, as is par for the course for Weber, but the ''real'' agony is in [[spoiler:his lover Eloise Pritchart]]'s reaction to losing [[spoiler:the man who was essentially her husband in all but name]]. (The reaction in question is, of course, an utterly broken heart.)



** When his best friend, Ben, is diagnosed with leukaemia, Dr. Cox doesn't cope well. Ben, in a rare subversion, actually calls him on this behavior, pointing out that he's the one with the disease, and could use his friend's help rather than having to cope with Cox's issues.

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** When his best friend, Ben, is diagnosed with leukaemia, leukemia, Dr. Cox doesn't cope well. Ben, in a rare subversion, actually calls him on this behavior, pointing out that he's the one with the disease, and could use his friend's help rather than having to cope with Cox's issues.



** ''Theatre/{{RENT}}'' is a little less supportive of this trope during "Goodbye Love," when Roger snaps a sarcastic "poor baby!" after Mark says that the reason he keeps himself emotionally withdrawn is because chances are very good that he'll outlive his friends with AIDS.

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** ''Theatre/{{RENT}}'' is a little less supportive of this trope during "Goodbye Love," when Roger snaps a sarcastic "poor baby!" after Mark says that the reason he keeps himself emotionally withdrawn is because that chances are very good that he'll outlive his friends with AIDS.



* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}: [[spoiler:Fennec Albain]]'s death is something of an AlasPoorVillain by proxy. While it's pretty clear that it was [[KarmicDeath his own damn fault]] and story doesn't expect the audience to feel sorry for him, [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes his brother]] is horrified when he sees it happen, and the sympathy is targeted at him.

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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}: [[spoiler:Fennec Albain]]'s death is something of an AlasPoorVillain by proxy. While it's pretty clear that it was [[KarmicDeath his own damn fault]] and the story doesn't expect the audience to feel sorry for him, [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes his brother]] is horrified when he sees it happen, and the sympathy is targeted at him.



* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'': "I Am the Night" is all about Batman's distress about Commissionner Gordon being wounded on the field. So much that Gordon himself and his daughter are the ones who comfort him and Bullock is clearly expected to be viewed as incredibly mean for chastising him.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': Defied. An early episode had Homer believing that he was going to die of food poisoning. As Marge sobs profusely, Homer calmly but snidely tells her that that he is the one dying, not her.

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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'': "I Am the Night" is all about Batman's distress about Commissionner Commissioner Gordon being wounded on the field. So much that Gordon himself and his daughter are the ones who comfort him and Bullock is clearly expected to be viewed as incredibly mean for chastising him.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': Defied. An early episode had Homer believing that he was going to die of food poisoning. As Marge sobs profusely, Homer calmly but snidely tells her that that he is the one dying, not her.
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But the writers aren't directing the audience's sympathies toward the victim but instead toward someone close to the victim. While the victim is recovering, their significant other is raving "I failed to protect him/her!" or "What happens to our relationship now?" Entire plot lines are devoted to how this person gets over the tragedy.

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But the writers aren't directing the audience's sympathies toward the victim but instead toward someone close to the victim. While the victim is recovering, their significant other is raving "I "[[ILetGwenStacyDie I failed to protect him/her!" them!]]" or "What happens to our relationship now?" Entire plot lines are devoted to how this person gets over the tragedy.



The only glimmer of hope for a "damage victim" is that they are important characters in their own right. Once they have recovered, things will be business as usual. It could be worse. If the wronged party isn't just injured, but dies in a particularly pointless way for the main character to angst over, they were probably StuffedIntoTheFridge. Someone who is living, breathing CollateralAngst - to the point the reader/viewer wonders if they're ever out of the hospital - and has little plot importance or characterisation beyond that is a DisposableWoman. Of course, [[AlwaysFemale two X-chromosomes are required]] to qualify. [[GenderFlip Usually]].

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The only glimmer of hope for a "damage victim" is that they are important characters in their own right. right, rather than being {{Bit Character}}s. Once they have a [[TheProtagonist main character]] has recovered, things will be business as usual. It could be worse. If the wronged party isn't just injured, but dies in a particularly pointless way for the main character to angst over, they were probably StuffedIntoTheFridge. Someone who is living, breathing CollateralAngst - to the point the reader/viewer wonders if they're ever out of the hospital - and has little plot importance or characterisation beyond that is a DisposableWoman. Of course, [[AlwaysFemale two X-chromosomes are required]] to qualify. [[GenderFlip Usually]].
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': Defied. An early episode had Homer believing that he was going to die of food poisoning. As Marge sobs profusely, Homer calmly but snidely tells her that that he is the one dying, not her.
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* This is basically the role of Barbara Gordon in ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'', to the point that her only dialogue after she is shot and paralyzed is devoted to her worrying about how her father and Bruce will take it.

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** When his best friend, Ben, is diagnosed with leukaemia, Dr. Cox doesn't cope well. Ben, in a rare subversion, actually calls him on this behaviour, pointing out that he's the one with the disease, and could use his friend's help rather than having to cope with Cox's issues.
** Later in the series, Dr. Cox is traumatised by Ben's death. He's annoyed at how well Jordan is coping with the death of her brother, to the point that she has her best friends staying with her. They're out enjoying themselves while Cox openly grieves. Not until the end of the episode does he realise that Jordan has been seriously affected by her brother's death, and her friends are offering comfort where he failed to do so. Arguably, Cox was as close to Ben as Jordan was, but the theme of self-pity at someone else's expense remains.

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** Later in the series, Dr. Cox is traumatised traumatized by Ben's death. He's annoyed at how well Jordan is coping with the death of her brother, to the point that she has her best friends staying with her. They're out enjoying themselves while Cox openly grieves. Not until the end of the episode does he realise realize that Jordan has been seriously affected by her brother's death, and her friends are offering comfort where he failed to do so. Arguably, Cox was as close to Ben as Jordan was, but the theme of self-pity at someone else's expense remains.



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* Many AIDS stories focus more on the (generally straight, while the party with AIDS is gay) supportive healthy friend character and how sad they're going to be when their friend is dead, rather than the person with AIDS themselves. ''Parting Glances'' plays it dead-straight, even with a scene in which (cool, accepting) Nick comforts Michael when he cries. ''Theatre/{{RENT}}'' is a little less supportive of this trope during "Goodbye Love," when Roger snaps a sarcastic "poor baby!" after Mark says that the reason he keeps himself emotionally withdrawn is because chances are very good that he'll outlive his friends with AIDS.

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* In ''Film/GranTorino'', Sue is beaten and gang raped by her own gangster cousins to get back at her, her brother, and Walt for standing up to them and challenging them, though the movie focuses more on Walt's reaction, partly because the attack immediately followed his own browbeating of one of the gangsters. Not to mention that he was the main character of the film.

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* A big part of Creator/JodiPicoult's ''Literature/HandleWithCare'' is the fact that while Willow is physically injured for most of the book (she has brittle bone disease), it's her mother, Charlotte, that does all the angsting -- and it's her mother's lawsuit that threatens the family, not Willow's disease. Even Charlotte is forced to realise that the court case she's set in motion is more about herself that Willow.
* ''MySistersKeeper'' seems set up for this trope. A young girl has leukaemia, tragic: we learn about her mother's constant state of panic and worry over looking after her; her father's shame over not being able to help and tendency to withdraw to his fire station and astronomy for peace; her brother's frustration at getting no attention from a family so wrapped up in her condition that he becomes a juvenile delinquent; and her younger sister, who was born for the sole purpose of being her organ donor, and who gets tired of being seen only as a means to keep her sister alive. The plot of the book focusing on the lawsuit that said younger sister launches to get medical emancipation to prevent her parents from forcing her to donate a kidney to her sister. Precious little attention is given to Kate, the actual girl with a terminal illness. It's worth mentioning that the book has a shifting first person perspective so that all of the above characters (as well as a lawyer involved with the case) have at least a few chapters which they narrate, which give us an insight into them, what they're like and how they develop over the course of the book... except for Kate, naturally, whose narration is minimal [[spoiler: and saved for the final chapter]] and whom we mostly learn about through other people's eyes.

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* ''MySistersKeeper'' ** ''Literature/MySistersKeeper'' seems set up for this trope. A young girl has leukaemia, tragic: we learn about her mother's constant state of panic and worry over looking after her; her father's shame over not being able to help and tendency to withdraw to his fire station and astronomy for peace; her brother's frustration at getting no attention from a family so wrapped up in her condition that he becomes a juvenile delinquent; and her younger sister, who was born for the sole purpose of being her organ donor, and who gets tired of being seen only as a means to keep her sister alive. The plot of the book focusing on the lawsuit that said younger sister launches to get medical emancipation to prevent her parents from forcing her to donate a kidney to her sister. Precious little attention is given to Kate, the actual girl with a terminal illness. It's worth mentioning that the book has a shifting first person perspective so that all of the above characters (as well as a lawyer involved with the case) have at least a few chapters which they narrate, which give us an insight into them, what they're like and how they develop over the course of the book... except for Kate, naturally, whose narration is minimal [[spoiler: and saved for the final chapter]] and whom we mostly learn about through other people's eyes.
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