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'''The devoted hobbyists'''

Whether it's [[TheCollectorOfTheStrange collecting something people generally try not to think about]], spending a lot of time watching/reading/playing something that many would think would have stopped being entertaining days ago, or just peppering any and every bit of conversation with obscure references to their hobby, it's generally considered okay to think of people like this as obsessive freaks. Characters may temporarily become like this during a bout of FleetingPassionateHobbies.

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'''Chicago Cubs Fans'''

See also EveryYearTheyFizzleOut and [[{{ButtMonkey/Sports}} ButtMonkey/Sports]].

The Chicago Cubs have not won the World Series since 1908, and haven't even been ''in'' a World Series since 1945. So, therefore, they are the worst team ever (even though plenty of other Major League Baseball Teams have ''never'' won the World Series), and all of their fans are complete idiots with no class who root for a lost cause. Similarly, fans of the Toronto Maple Leafs can be acceptable targets in that they have not won the {{NHL}} Stanley Cup (or made an appearance in the finals) since 1967.

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'''New York Yankees Fans'''

At the other end, those teams (and their fans) that are deemed to be ''too'' successful, are often regarded as Acceptable Targets by rival fans and media. In fictional works, these teams are seen as the OpposingSportsTeam.

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'''ProfessionalWrestling fans'''

Feel like coming out of your steel cage closet and admitting you're a fan to, say, your boss?

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'''Bodybuilders'''

* Doesn't help much that some use steroids, or that everything about the lifestyle strikes some people as HoYay.
* Even more so, [[BrawnHilda Female Bodybuilders]] (and, [[AssociationFallacy by proxy]], fitness and figure competitors). And don't try to argue that these women are instead [[AmazonianBeauty attractive]]. You're bound to be caught up in ''numerous'' {{Flame War}}s detailing [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment stereotypes about female beauty, one's sexual orientation, and a whole gamut of topics not fit to be reproduced on this page (or elsewhere, for that matter).]]
* In RealLife bodybuilding is [[BrokenBase split]] between long-term builders and get-big-quick muscleheads (usually teenage males) who try to live up to the stereotype. The former usually emphasize healthy diets and avoid steroids and supplements while the later will buy any new gimmick to get "ABZ."
* Clinically speaking, using steroids does affect the human body by adding mass amounts of testosterone to it. It can change the human body a lot and add more "masculine features", for men and women, but after the person stops using steroids; a person will lose their muscle and many of the features the steroids built. Also, steroids cannot affect bone, so the muscles can eventually hurt the bone as they may have too much for their frame when on steroids; among other problems while being on steroids like having too much testosterone and causing aggression ("roid rage"). Human growth hormone also makes the whole body bigger, but can cause numerous health problems in the long run. Naturally bodybuilding for men and women can increase testosterone, but only within safe limits, and will not change their body drastically except for adding muscle mass over the course of many years and losing a lot of fat (which shows off the muscles, but can also significantly decrease a woman's natural breast size due to breasts being mostly fat, hence why many female bodybuilders get implants).
* Ironically, bodybuilding is a popular couples sport, either with one person training and the other coaching, or both working out together.
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'''People who prefer media free of sex and/or violence'''

Unfortunately, all people who uphold this preference tend to be lumped in with MoralGuardians - even if those are just personal preferences, and they have no intention of pushing those personal preferences onto other people. Heck, even if you just say you'd like a little ''less'' sex and violence in entertainment, you'll be accused of being some right-wing anti-sex prude who obviously doesn't know what "real" entertainment is. Dear god help you if ValuesDissonance of any sort comes into play.

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'''[[DiscoDan Fans of a]] DeadHorseGenre'''

At least, the people who like the latest teen pop have an excuse of "following the crowd" - but if the music is no longer even popular, then what's their excuse? Surely, it can't be because it just so happens to be the music that they derive personal pleasure from. No, of course not! [[FanHater It's because they're too stupid and misguided to know any better.]]

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'''[[RailEnthusiast Trainspotters/Railfans]]'''

They have become a byword for all pathetic, pointless hobbies.

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'''People who obsessively play online games'''

Especially stuff like ''WorldOfWarcraft'', which is the biggest target. For some reason, partly due to NewMediaAreEvil, it's seemingly perfectly acceptable to blame any addictions to online games as the fault of the game itself - whereas doing this for just about anything else (namely blaming the murder on the ''murder weapon'' and not the ''murderer'') usually results with people not taking it seriously.

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'''Gun hobbyists'''

Either right-wing nuts or terrorists in training or tragedies waiting to happen.

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'''Men who knit'''

Men who knit are frequently compared to homosexuals, old ladies, or old lady homosexuals. Despite the fact that a girlfriend would probably love to have a guy that can make gorgeous accessories for her from scratch.

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'''Tabletop Roleplayers'''

All 30-year-old man children who have no social skills and will live in their parents' basements as long as they can. More modern interpretations don't even let them get to be out of their teens, but they're just about always socially stunted nerds, and girls are mysterious-nigh-mythical creatures to them; certainly no girl would ever be ''caught'' playing a tabletop RPG. They also wear silly hats while they play. Which brings us to the '''BrotherhoodOfFunnyHats''', though it's rare to see this nowadays...
* When the occasional tabletop gaming female does appear, she's either a fat, unattractive, overdramatic emo-girl (there's a lot of overlap with anime fangirls here), or a tomboy who's probably a little lesbian.

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'''Fans of "That Other Football"'''

For most, if not all of the world, the most popular sports in a specific nation will usually include one game that is called "Football"...and usually only one sport at that although in rare occasions two. (ex. AssociationFootball / Soccer and RubgyFootball in the United Kingdom, AmericanFootball in the United States, GaelicFootball in Ireland, and AustralianRulesFootball in Australia). However for some reason, it seems to be taboo for one to like two or more football codes, especially one that is considered "foreign". In Australia for example, most of the country is either divided between Rugby and Aussie rules, with soccer being an afterthought (outside of the national team), while in the US; outside the US Mens (and sometimes Womens) National Team, soccer is not seen well as a spectator sport compared to American Football, and it is hard to find someone to openly say they are a fan of both Football and Soccer (or even just soccer for that matter). Of course, since there are quite a few sports that claim the name Football, there are quite a few heated arguments among the fans of each sport on which sport really is the "Real" Football (Soccer vs AmericanFootball debates especially), [[InternetBackdraft with plenty of]] [[SeriousBusiness eloquent]] and well-researched arguments to [[FanDumb make their point]].

For the record, if you were wondering where all these sports called "Football" came from, in the 19th century, kids played their own versions of football however they felt like it. But soon after, there was a call in England for standardizing the rules of Football, which of course led to lots of arguing. In the end the arguers settled on two games: Rugby Football and Association football. Not long after, other organized sports based on these two sports as well as others were formed (AustralianRulesFootball, AmericanFootball, GaelicFootball, etc.) and all of these "Football" sports have since gained a foothold in sports culture. Of course since there are quite a few sports that claim the name Football many of these arguments continue on to this very day.

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'''Fantasy Sports Players'''

They are often accused of bringing "nerd-like traditions" into sports fandoms, and cheering when they are "not" supposed to cheer.

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'''Women who don't like clothes (or [[AllWomenLoveShoes shoes]]) shopping'''

Even though this, technically, a traditionally feminine gender norm - this is one trait that will be expected in women, ''even by other women''. Women who don't fancy spending an entire Saturday in a shopping mall are often treated as being socially aberrant. In some cases, even ''mothers'' will express concern over their daughters' lack of interest in clothes or shoes - and may attempt to "correct" that. Also, while men may not care so much about the "women hanging out at a shopping mall" aspect, many will act as if women not caring about looking fashionable is some sort of affront to ''them''. "How dare you not care about making yourself look good for ''us''?" But for other guys, it's FetishFuel!

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'''Fans and artists of media intended for Teenaged Girls'''

See also GirlShowGhetto.

Examples of this include: ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'', Music/JustinBieber, pretty much any BoyBand, and pretty much anything from DisneyChannel (such as ''HannahMontana''... and MileyCyrus, for that matter).

If a form of entertainment is manufactured with this demographic in mind from the beginning, it is immediately shunned and becomes an object of ridicule, [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch often sight unseen]]. Even if something was liked and respected before it had fangirls, it is written off as valueless the moment the {{squee}}ing starts. Treating these series with anything other than total disdain (even indifference) can get you branded as a complete idiot who has no idea what TrueArt is, a brainless zombie who [[ItsPopularNowItSucks only follows what is popular]], or [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking a fifteen-year-old girl]]. And guys who happen to like it get it ''worse'', they'll get all the same jabs but will also be frequently accused of being a barely-closeted pedophile. Or being gay.

* Forget teenagers, this includes media intended for girls of any age. Even media that only [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForLittleGirls looks]] like it's meant for girls.

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'''Men who keep cats as pets'''

This is often judged as profoundly [[http://blog.timesunion.com/kristi/15814/men-and-cats/ effeminate]] and bad (the two often overlapping due to homophobia).
* RightHandCat?
* Men who don't like dogs often get this attitude as well.
** And pity the ''boy'' who doesn't like dogs. Barring allergy, there is apparently ''no excuse'' for a boy to not like dogs.
* And woe betide the poor guy who loves dogs - but they happen to be the "wrong" dogs. Like a chihuahua or shih tzu instead of something "macho" like a pitbull or doberman.

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'''Mimes'''

See also EveryoneHatesMimes.

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'''Historical Reenactors'''

Creepy, AlwaysMale ultra-nerds who live in the TheThemeParkVersion of another time period because the present does not suit them. Often casting themselves as the PoliticallyIncorrectHero to hide their bigoted attitudes behind faux ValuesDissonance.


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'''Hobbyist musicians'''

They're not very good, but insist on inflicting their music on their friends, and probably on practicing in the middle of the night when their neighbours are trying to sleep. For bonus points, they either play an insanely loud electric guitar, or an instrument that sounds ''really'' discordant when played badly, such as the violin, the [[EverythingsLouderWithBagpipes bagpipes]], or the accordian.

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'''Doll collectors'''

Always loners, always socially inept, and always spend all their time in houses full of meticulously-kept dolls. May be played for laughs as awkward anal-retentives who go apoplectic if anyone so much as touches their "babies"- or for drama/horror as pedophiles and/or serial killers. A large doll collection may also be a staple of slightly batty little-old-lady characters. Expect any child over the age of 10 with the aforementioned to have OCD or a difficult home life. Other characters often comment on [[CreepyDoll the eerieness]] of the dolls. Interestingly, teenage or young adult doll collectors don't seem to exist.

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\n\n----\n!!Examples:\n\n[[foldercontrol]]\n\n'''The devoted hobbyists''' \n\nWhether it's [[TheCollectorOfTheStrange collecting something people generally try not to think about]], spending a lot of time watching/reading/playing something that many would think would have stopped being entertaining days ago, or just peppering any and every bit of conversation with obscure references to their hobby, it's generally considered okay to think of people like this as obsessive freaks. Characters may temporarily become like this during a bout of FleetingPassionateHobbies. \n\n----\n\n'''Chicago Cubs Fans''' \n\nSee also EveryYearTheyFizzleOut and [[{{ButtMonkey/Sports}} ButtMonkey/Sports]].\n\nThe Chicago Cubs have not won the World Series since 1908, and haven't even been ''in'' a World Series since 1945. So, therefore, they are the worst team ever (even though plenty of other Major League Baseball Teams have ''never'' won the World Series), and all of their fans are complete idiots with no class who root for a lost cause. Similarly, fans of the Toronto Maple Leafs can be acceptable targets in that they have not won the {{NHL}} Stanley Cup (or made an appearance in the finals) since 1967.\n\n----\n\n'''New York Yankees Fans''' \n\nAt the other end, those teams (and their fans) that are deemed to be ''too'' successful, are often regarded as Acceptable Targets by rival fans and media. In fictional works, these teams are seen as the OpposingSportsTeam.\n\n----\n\n'''ProfessionalWrestling fans''' \n\nFeel like coming out of your steel cage closet and admitting you're a fan to, say, your boss?\n\n----\n\n'''Bodybuilders''' \n\n* Doesn't help much that some use steroids, or that everything about the lifestyle strikes some people as HoYay.\n* Even more so, [[BrawnHilda Female Bodybuilders]] (and, [[AssociationFallacy by proxy]], fitness and figure competitors). And don't try to argue that these women are instead [[AmazonianBeauty attractive]]. You're bound to be caught up in ''numerous'' {{Flame War}}s detailing [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment stereotypes about female beauty, one's sexual orientation, and a whole gamut of topics not fit to be reproduced on this page (or elsewhere, for that matter).]]\n* In RealLife bodybuilding is [[BrokenBase split]] between long-term builders and get-big-quick muscleheads (usually teenage males) who try to live up to the stereotype. The former usually emphasize healthy diets and avoid steroids and supplements while the later will buy any new gimmick to get "ABZ."\n* Clinically speaking, using steroids does affect the human body by adding mass amounts of testosterone to it. It can change the human body a lot and add more "masculine features", for men and women, but after the person stops using steroids; a person will lose their muscle and many of the features the steroids built. Also, steroids cannot affect bone, so the muscles can eventually hurt the bone as they may have too much for their frame when on steroids; among other problems while being on steroids like having too much testosterone and causing aggression ("roid rage"). Human growth hormone also makes the whole body bigger, but can cause numerous health problems in the long run. Naturally bodybuilding for men and women can increase testosterone, but only within safe limits, and will not change their body drastically except for adding muscle mass over the course of many years and losing a lot of fat (which shows off the muscles, but can also significantly decrease a woman's natural breast size due to breasts being mostly fat, hence why many female bodybuilders get implants). \n* Ironically, bodybuilding is a popular couples sport, either with one person training and the other coaching, or both working out together.\n----\n\n'''People who prefer media free of sex and/or violence''' \n\nUnfortunately, all people who uphold this preference tend to be lumped in with MoralGuardians - even if those are just personal preferences, and they have no intention of pushing those personal preferences onto other people. Heck, even if you just say you'd like a little ''less'' sex and violence in entertainment, you'll be accused of being some right-wing anti-sex prude who obviously doesn't know what "real" entertainment is. Dear god help you if ValuesDissonance of any sort comes into play.\n\n----\n\n'''[[DiscoDan Fans of a]] DeadHorseGenre''' \n\nAt least, the people who like the latest teen pop have an excuse of "following the crowd" - but if the music is no longer even popular, then what's their excuse? Surely, it can't be because it just so happens to be the music that they derive personal pleasure from. No, of course not! [[FanHater It's because they're too stupid and misguided to know any better.]]\n\n----\n\n'''[[RailEnthusiast Trainspotters/Railfans]]'''\n\nThey have become a byword for all pathetic, pointless hobbies.\n\n----\n\n'''People who obsessively play online games''' \n\nEspecially stuff like ''WorldOfWarcraft'', which is the biggest target. For some reason, partly due to NewMediaAreEvil, it's seemingly perfectly acceptable to blame any addictions to online games as the fault of the game itself - whereas doing this for just about anything else (namely blaming the murder on the ''murder weapon'' and not the ''murderer'') usually results with people not taking it seriously.\n\n----\n\n'''Gun hobbyists'''\n\nEither right-wing nuts or terrorists in training or tragedies waiting to happen.\n\n----\n\n'''Men who knit''' \n\nMen who knit are frequently compared to homosexuals, old ladies, or old lady homosexuals. Despite the fact that a girlfriend would probably love to have a guy that can make gorgeous accessories for her from scratch.\n\n----\n\n'''Tabletop Roleplayers''' \n\nAll 30-year-old man children who have no social skills and will live in their parents' basements as long as they can. More modern interpretations don't even let them get to be out of their teens, but they're just about always socially stunted nerds, and girls are mysterious-nigh-mythical creatures to them; certainly no girl would ever be ''caught'' playing a tabletop RPG. They also wear silly hats while they play. Which brings us to the '''BrotherhoodOfFunnyHats''', though it's rare to see this nowadays...\n* When the occasional tabletop gaming female does appear, she's either a fat, unattractive, overdramatic emo-girl (there's a lot of overlap with anime fangirls here), or a tomboy who's probably a little lesbian.\n\n----\n\n'''Fans of "That Other Football"'''\n\nFor most, if not all of the world, the most popular sports in a specific nation will usually include one game that is called "Football"...and usually only one sport at that although in rare occasions two. (ex. AssociationFootball / Soccer and RubgyFootball in the United Kingdom, AmericanFootball in the United States, GaelicFootball in Ireland, and AustralianRulesFootball in Australia). However for some reason, it seems to be taboo for one to like two or more football codes, especially one that is considered "foreign". In Australia for example, most of the country is either divided between Rugby and Aussie rules, with soccer being an afterthought (outside of the national team), while in the US; outside the US Mens (and sometimes Womens) National Team, soccer is not seen well as a spectator sport compared to American Football, and it is hard to find someone to openly say they are a fan of both Football and Soccer (or even just soccer for that matter). Of course, since there are quite a few sports that claim the name Football, there are quite a few heated arguments among the fans of each sport on which sport really is the "Real" Football (Soccer vs AmericanFootball debates especially), [[InternetBackdraft with plenty of]] [[SeriousBusiness eloquent]] and well-researched arguments to [[FanDumb make their point]].\n\nFor the record, if you were wondering where all these sports called "Football" came from, in the 19th century, kids played their own versions of football however they felt like it. But soon after, there was a call in England for standardizing the rules of Football, which of course led to lots of arguing. In the end the arguers settled on two games: Rugby Football and Association football. Not long after, other organized sports based on these two sports as well as others were formed (AustralianRulesFootball, AmericanFootball, GaelicFootball, etc.) and all of these "Football" sports have since gained a foothold in sports culture. Of course since there are quite a few sports that claim the name Football many of these arguments continue on to this very day.\n\n----\n\n'''Fantasy Sports Players'''\n\nThey are often accused of bringing "nerd-like traditions" into sports fandoms, and cheering when they are "not" supposed to cheer.\n\n----\n\n'''Women who don't like clothes (or [[AllWomenLoveShoes shoes]]) shopping'''\n\nEven though this, technically, a traditionally feminine gender norm - this is one trait that will be expected in women, ''even by other women''. Women who don't fancy spending an entire Saturday in a shopping mall are often treated as being socially aberrant. In some cases, even ''mothers'' will express concern over their daughters' lack of interest in clothes or shoes - and may attempt to "correct" that. Also, while men may not care so much about the "women hanging out at a shopping mall" aspect, many will act as if women not caring about looking fashionable is some sort of affront to ''them''. "How dare you not care about making yourself look good for ''us''?" But for other guys, it's FetishFuel!\n\n----\n\n'''Fans and artists of media intended for Teenaged Girls'''\n\nSee also GirlShowGhetto.\n\nExamples of this include: ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'', Music/JustinBieber, pretty much any BoyBand, and pretty much anything from DisneyChannel (such as ''HannahMontana''... and MileyCyrus, for that matter). \n\nIf a form of entertainment is manufactured with this demographic in mind from the beginning, it is immediately shunned and becomes an object of ridicule, [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch often sight unseen]]. Even if something was liked and respected before it had fangirls, it is written off as valueless the moment the {{squee}}ing starts. Treating these series with anything other than total disdain (even indifference) can get you branded as a complete idiot who has no idea what TrueArt is, a brainless zombie who [[ItsPopularNowItSucks only follows what is popular]], or [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking a fifteen-year-old girl]]. And guys who happen to like it get it ''worse'', they'll get all the same jabs but will also be frequently accused of being a barely-closeted pedophile. Or being gay. \n\n* Forget teenagers, this includes media intended for girls of any age. Even media that only [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForLittleGirls looks]] like it's meant for girls.\n\n----\n\n'''Men who keep cats as pets'''\n\nThis is often judged as profoundly [[http://blog.timesunion.com/kristi/15814/men-and-cats/ effeminate]] and bad (the two often overlapping due to homophobia).\n* RightHandCat?\n* Men who don't like dogs often get this attitude as well.\n** And pity the ''boy'' who doesn't like dogs. Barring allergy, there is apparently ''no excuse'' for a boy to not like dogs.\n* And woe betide the poor guy who loves dogs - but they happen to be the "wrong" dogs. Like a chihuahua or shih tzu instead of something "macho" like a pitbull or doberman.\n\n----\n\n'''Mimes'''\n\nSee also EveryoneHatesMimes.\n\n----\n\n'''Historical Reenactors'''\n\nCreepy, AlwaysMale ultra-nerds who live in the TheThemeParkVersion of another time period because the present does not suit them. Often casting themselves as the PoliticallyIncorrectHero to hide their bigoted attitudes behind faux ValuesDissonance.\n\n\n----\n\n'''Hobbyist musicians'''\n\nThey're not very good, but insist on inflicting their music on their friends, and probably on practicing in the middle of the night when their neighbours are trying to sleep. For bonus points, they either play an insanely loud electric guitar, or an instrument that sounds ''really'' discordant when played badly, such as the violin, the [[EverythingsLouderWithBagpipes bagpipes]], or the accordian. \n\n----\n\n'''Doll collectors'''\n\nAlways loners, always socially inept, and always spend all their time in houses full of meticulously-kept dolls. May be played for laughs as awkward anal-retentives who go apoplectic if anyone so much as touches their "babies"- or for drama/horror as pedophiles and/or serial killers. A large doll collection may also be a staple of slightly batty little-old-lady characters. Expect any child over the age of 10 with the aforementioned to have OCD or a difficult home life. Other characters often comment on [[CreepyDoll the eerieness]] of the dolls. Interestingly, teenage or young adult doll collectors don't seem to exist.----
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For most, if not all of the world, the most popular sports in a specific nation will usually include one game that is called "Football"...and usually only one sport at that although in rare occasions two. (ex. AssociationFootball / Soccer and RubgyFootball in the United Kingdom, AmericanFootball in the United States, GaelicFootball in Ireland, and AustralianRulesFootball in Australia). However for some reason, it seems to be taboo for one to like two or more football codes, especially one that is considered "foreign". In Australia for example, most of the country is either divided between Rugby and Aussie rules, with soccer being an afterthought (outside of the national team), while in the US; outside the US Mens (and sometimes Womens) National Team, soccer is not seen well as a spectator sport compared to American Football, and it is hard to find someone to openly say they are a fan of both Football and Soccer (or even just soccer for that matter). Of course, since there are quite a few sports that claim the name Football, there are quite a few heated arguments among the fans of each sport on which sport really is the "Real" Football (Soccer vs AmericanFootball debates especially), [[InternetBackdraft with plenty of]] [[SeriousBusiness eloquent]] and [[DidNotDoTheResearch well-researched arguments]] to [[FanDumb make their point]].

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For most, if not all of the world, the most popular sports in a specific nation will usually include one game that is called "Football"...and usually only one sport at that although in rare occasions two. (ex. AssociationFootball / Soccer and RubgyFootball in the United Kingdom, AmericanFootball in the United States, GaelicFootball in Ireland, and AustralianRulesFootball in Australia). However for some reason, it seems to be taboo for one to like two or more football codes, especially one that is considered "foreign". In Australia for example, most of the country is either divided between Rugby and Aussie rules, with soccer being an afterthought (outside of the national team), while in the US; outside the US Mens (and sometimes Womens) National Team, soccer is not seen well as a spectator sport compared to American Football, and it is hard to find someone to openly say they are a fan of both Football and Soccer (or even just soccer for that matter). Of course, since there are quite a few sports that claim the name Football, there are quite a few heated arguments among the fans of each sport on which sport really is the "Real" Football (Soccer vs AmericanFootball debates especially), [[InternetBackdraft with plenty of]] [[SeriousBusiness eloquent]] and [[DidNotDoTheResearch well-researched arguments]] arguments to [[FanDumb make their point]].
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'''Doll collectors'''

Always loners, always socially inept, and always spend all their time in houses full of meticulously-kept dolls. May be played for laughs as awkward anal-retentives who go apoplectic if anyone so much as touches their "babies"- or for drama/horror as pedophiles and/or serial killers. A large doll collection may also be a staple of slightly batty little-old-lady characters. Expect any child over the age of 10 with the aforementioned to have OCD or a difficult home life. Other characters often comment on [[CreepyDoll the eerieness]] of the dolls. Interestingly, teenage or young adult doll collectors don't seem to exist.
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If a form of entertainment is manufactured with this demographic in mind from the beginning, it is immediately shunned and becomes an object of ridicule, [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch often sight unseen]]. Even if something was liked and respected before it had fangirls, it is written off as valueless the moment the {{squee}}ing starts. Treating these series with anything other than total disdain (even indifference) can get you branded as a complete idiot who has no idea what TrueArt is, a brainless zombie who [[ItsPopularNowItSucks only follows what is popular]], or [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking a fifteen-year-old girl]]. And guys who happen to like it get it ''worse'', they'll get all the same jabs but will also be frequently accused of being a barely-closeted pedophile.

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If a form of entertainment is manufactured with this demographic in mind from the beginning, it is immediately shunned and becomes an object of ridicule, [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch often sight unseen]]. Even if something was liked and respected before it had fangirls, it is written off as valueless the moment the {{squee}}ing starts. Treating these series with anything other than total disdain (even indifference) can get you branded as a complete idiot who has no idea what TrueArt is, a brainless zombie who [[ItsPopularNowItSucks only follows what is popular]], or [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking a fifteen-year-old girl]]. And guys who happen to like it get it ''worse'', they'll get all the same jabs but will also be frequently accused of being a barely-closeted pedophile. Or being gay.
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* Clinically speaking, using steroids does affect the human body by adding mass amounts of testosterone to it. It can change the human body a lot and add more "masculine features", for men and women, but after steroids are not used; a person will lose their muscle and many of the features the steroids built. Also, steroids cannot affect bone, so the muscles can eventually hurt the bone as they may have too much for their frame when on steroids; among other problems while being on steroids like having too much testosterone and causing aggression ("roid rage"). Human growth hormone also makes the whole body bigger, but can cause numerous health problems in the long run. Naturally bodybuilding for men and women can increase testosterone, but only within safe limits, and will not change their body drastically except for adding muscle mass over the course of many years and losing a lot of fat (which shows off the muscles, but can also significantly decrease a woman's natural breast size due to breasts being mostly fat, hence why many female bodybuilders get implants).

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* Clinically speaking, using steroids does affect the human body by adding mass amounts of testosterone to it. It can change the human body a lot and add more "masculine features", for men and women, but after steroids are not used; the person stops using steroids; a person will lose their muscle and many of the features the steroids built. Also, steroids cannot affect bone, so the muscles can eventually hurt the bone as they may have too much for their frame when on steroids; among other problems while being on steroids like having too much testosterone and causing aggression ("roid rage"). Human growth hormone also makes the whole body bigger, but can cause numerous health problems in the long run. Naturally bodybuilding for men and women can increase testosterone, but only within safe limits, and will not change their body drastically except for adding muscle mass over the course of many years and losing a lot of fat (which shows off the muscles, but can also significantly decrease a woman's natural breast size due to breasts being mostly fat, hence why many female bodybuilders get implants).
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Fixing the statement about testosterone, many things are wrong in it. Naturally bodybuilding does not make bones bigger, it adds muscle mass on top of the bones. It also does not make your chin bigger or cause masculine voices in women. However, using steroids and/or overdoses of Human Growth Hormone makes more masculine features in men and women, but then they lose them and the muscle when they stop using them as their body no longer naturally makes them due to relying on others. Also, if a woman naturally bodybuilded, she would not gain a masculine voice, she would keep her own. She would have small breasts though when her body fat % is lower. Natural bodybuilding does increase testosterone to an extent but cannot increase it enough to physically change the whole body, just build more muscle. Also, naturally bbing will not increase testosterone to a level where you become aggressive, that is with steroids, often called \"Roid Rage\".


* Clinically speaking, building muscle also builds testosterone as a side-effect. Because of this, female bodybuilders often become more manly in appearance, even beyond just their bodies. Small breasts, chiseled chins, and even [[LarynxDissonance masculine voices]] are a result. Testosterone is also known to build aggression and confidence, which goes a long way to contribute to the stereotype that male and female bodybuilders alike are arrogant muscleheads.

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* Clinically speaking, building muscle also builds using steroids does affect the human body by adding mass amounts of testosterone to it. It can change the human body a lot and add more "masculine features", for men and women, but after steroids are not used; a person will lose their muscle and many of the features the steroids built. Also, steroids cannot affect bone, so the muscles can eventually hurt the bone as a side-effect. Because they may have too much for their frame when on steroids; among other problems while being on steroids like having too much testosterone and causing aggression ("roid rage"). Human growth hormone also makes the whole body bigger, but can cause numerous health problems in the long run. Naturally bodybuilding for men and women can increase testosterone, but only within safe limits, and will not change their body drastically except for adding muscle mass over the course of this, many years and losing a lot of fat (which shows off the muscles, but can also significantly decrease a woman's natural breast size due to breasts being mostly fat, hence why many female bodybuilders often become more manly in appearance, even beyond just their bodies. Small breasts, chiseled chins, and even [[LarynxDissonance masculine voices]] are a result. Testosterone is also known to build aggression and confidence, which goes a long way to contribute to the stereotype that male and female bodybuilders alike are arrogant muscleheads.get implants).

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If a form of entertainment is manufactured with this demographic in mind from the beginning, it is immediately shunned and becomes an object of ridicule, [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch often sight unseen]]. Even if something was liked and respected before it had fangirls, it is written off as valueless the moment the {{squee}}ing starts. Treating these series with anything other than total disdain (even indifference) can get you branded as a complete idiot who has no idea what TrueArt is, a brainless zombie who [[ItsPopularNowItSucks only follows what is popular]], or [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking a fifteen-year-old girl]].

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If a form of entertainment is manufactured with this demographic in mind from the beginning, it is immediately shunned and becomes an object of ridicule, [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch often sight unseen]]. Even if something was liked and respected before it had fangirls, it is written off as valueless the moment the {{squee}}ing starts. Treating these series with anything other than total disdain (even indifference) can get you branded as a complete idiot who has no idea what TrueArt is, a brainless zombie who [[ItsPopularNowItSucks only follows what is popular]], or [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking a fifteen-year-old girl]].
girl]]. And guys who happen to like it get it ''worse'', they'll get all the same jabs but will also be frequently accused of being a barely-closeted pedophile.

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'''{{Anime}} Fans'''

They are almost ALWAYS portrayed to be either basement-dwelling, obese, unattractive losers or over-obsessive, annoying, immature halfwits who speak GratuitousJapanese and are trying to act Japanese. So, if you like anime, expect to have a lot of crap thrown at you.
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Unfortunately, all people who uphold this preference tend to be lumped in with MoralGuardians - even if those are just personal preferences, and they have no intention of pushing those personal preferences onto other people. Heck, even if you just say you'd like a little ''less'' sex and violence in entertainment, you'll be accused of being some right-wing anti-sex prude who obviously doesn't know what "[[TrueArtIsOffensive real]]" entertainment is. Dear god help you if ValuesDissonance of any sort comes into play.

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Unfortunately, all people who uphold this preference tend to be lumped in with MoralGuardians - even if those are just personal preferences, and they have no intention of pushing those personal preferences onto other people. Heck, even if you just say you'd like a little ''less'' sex and violence in entertainment, you'll be accused of being some right-wing anti-sex prude who obviously doesn't know what "[[TrueArtIsOffensive real]]" "real" entertainment is. Dear god help you if ValuesDissonance of any sort comes into play.
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The Chicago Cubs have not won the World Series since 1908, and haven't even been ''in'' a World Series since 1945. So, therefore, they are the worst team ever (even though plenty of other Major League Baseball Teams have ''never'' won the World Series), and all of their fans are complete idiots with no class who root for a lost cause.

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The Chicago Cubs have not won the World Series since 1908, and haven't even been ''in'' a World Series since 1945. So, therefore, they are the worst team ever (even though plenty of other Major League Baseball Teams have ''never'' won the World Series), and all of their fans are complete idiots with no class who root for a lost cause.
cause. Similarly, fans of the Toronto Maple Leafs can be acceptable targets in that they have not won the {{NHL}} Stanley Cup (or made an appearance in the finals) since 1967.
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"{{Anime}} Fans"
They are almost ALWAYS portrayed to be either basement-dwelling, obese, unattractive losers or over-obsessive, annoying, immature halfwits who speak GratuitousJapanese and are trying to act Japanese. So, if you like anime, get ready to have a lot of crap thrown at you.

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They are almost ALWAYS portrayed to be either basement-dwelling, obese, unattractive losers or over-obsessive, annoying, immature halfwits who speak GratuitousJapanese and are trying to act Japanese. So, if you like anime, get ready expect to have a lot of crap thrown at you.
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They are almost ALWAYS portrayed to be either basement-dwelling, obese, unattractive losers or over-obsessive, annoying, immature halfwits who speak GratuitousJapanese and are trying to act Japanese. So, if you like anime, get ready to have a lot of crap thrown at you.

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This is an index for the various stereotypes and AcceptableTargets that exist from their hobbies. See also FanHater and EvenNerdsHaveStandards.
EvenNerdsHaveStandards.

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* {{Cosplay}}
* FurryFandom
* GirlShowGhetto
* NakedPeopleAreFunny
* RailEnthusiast
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[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:{{Real Life}}]]
* Averted when it comes to [[OnceAcceptableTargets Sports fanatics]]. [[DoubleStandard They generally get a free pass when it comes to this]]. In fact, conversely, many people might regard you as being more than a little weird if you're ''not'' big on sports -- especially if you're a man. Of course, if you continue down this article, there are some exceptions to this rule.
** Lampshaded in this [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIUQw1w5OqM online sketch]] that addresses the hypocrisy then makes fun of both fans for their fandom.
* {{Otaku}} in Japan. Yep. Pretty much being scorned by media (and like in ''DenshaOtoko''). It doesn't help that most people in Japan liken otaku with people like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Miyazaki Tsutomu Miyazaki]]...
* Anyone who is very skilled at a particular video game is regarded as some sort of godly superhuman at best and a total loser with no life outside of that game at worst.
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGHEhKo5Ils Video gamers]], courtesy of Gamefly
** [[AnimationAgeGhetto If you play a game with a rating below the one you're in (playing an E game when you're 17+) you're an]] immature ManChild, [[PeripheryDemographic completely ignoring that these games can be fun at any age]] [[AnimationAgeGhetto (similar to how a G-rated movie must be for children only).]] The only genres that are not subjected to this are sports games and racing games. Hell on the PS3 the only E rated games left are sports games that aren't contact sports and racing games.\\
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It might be worth noting here that pretty much the only people playing E-Rated games these days ''are'' over 17, and even then probably only if they grew up playing them as a child. For the most part, kids these days won't touch anything not RatedMForManly. All those other games are apparently just faggy kiddy crap for ''babies''.
* {{FanGirl}}s. All fangirls are automatically hysterical, obsessive, semi-literate, 13-year-olds who will never get a boyfriend. No exceptions. Hey, it's the Internet, so anyone can claim to be a rational adult leading a normal life. A group of people have an interest in something you don't understand or think is dumb? "Well, they're just silly little fangirls. Of ''course'' they'd be into ''that.''"
** YaoiFanGirls: [[FanDumb Destroying every fanbase's intelligence]] since ''FinalFantasy7''. Of course, [[YuriFanboy Yuri Fanboys]] [[DoubleStandard don't get the same treatment]] because, well, [[GirlOnGirlIsHot this trope]]. Look up "Rule 34" on Google Images, and you'll find that almost all outrage at the Rule 34 images is toward Male/Male and never Female/Female. This may also be partly due to yaoi being more prominent and the fangirls being (seemingly) more vocal. Not to say the DoubleStandard is justified by this, it's just a possible reason for it.
* The exception to this is women/gay men who are into fashion as a hobby.
* This is also often considered a sign of autism, leading to a number of [[UnfortunateImplications unfortunate implications]].
* Fanfic writers. Oh ''boy,'' fanfic writers. All fanfic writers are deranged psychos with no grasp of spelling, plot, or grammar who write everyone out of character and enjoy Pikachu having sex with Sailor Moon.
* If you like ''anything'' that predominately features animal characters, then you are a [[FurryFandom furry]]. After all, AllMenArePerverts. How could it be possible for them to like something if it doesn't either help them get laid or give them something to jerk off to?
* {{Cosplay}}ers. We could go on for paragraphs about this, but to sum it up: If you do it well, and especially if you're female, you're pegged as an attention-seeking slut (even if the costume in question is hardly {{Stripperiffic}}). If you ''don't'' do it well or don't have the perfect figure for it, you're dismissed as a weeaboo and an eyesore who shouldn't even try.
* [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Bronies.]] Good gravy, bronies. While most {{Periphery Demographic}}s get some weird looks(an [[DoubleStandard exception]] being [[NostalgiaFilter something from their childhood]]), bronies are often regarded with a lot more scorn than any other. They are frequently referred to as "[[ManChild creepy manchildren]] with a near unhealthy obsession with a TV show aimed at little girls, who actively try to convert you into their perverted mindset, all the while being well above the normal age demographic for such a show." While [[SilentMajority most bronies]] tend to be good-natured fellows, this view puts them squarely in this territory. The fact that a VocalMinority of bronies seem to be hell bent in making ''everyone'' watch the show, and dismiss anyone who doesn't like it as a {{Troll}} or FanHater doesn't help. It should be noted, though, that this is a ''very'' VocalMinority, and most level-headed bronies tend to scorn off these, since they are the ones that give the {{Fandom}} a bad reputation. Case in point, [[http://bronies.memebase.com/2012/01/27/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-brony-vader-has-a-pony-to-pick-with-you My little brony]], a site with at least 40% of their {{Image Macro}}s dedicated to elevating the fandom as much as possible.
* Speaking of VocalMinorities, the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' fan community is infamous for having one that will bitch and whine to no small extent about ''anything'' that makes the post-''Adventure'' games different from the Genesis ones, [[SarcasmMode because those were totally flawless]].

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* An aversion of this comes from the web comic, ''Webcomic/{{Shortpacked}}!'', which makes jokes about toy collectors, [[NWordPrivileges but is written by one]].
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'''[[FurryFandom Furries]]'''

A group of people who enjoy art and literature about [[FunnyAnimal anthromorphic characters]] (werewolves, Bugs Bunny expys and the like)? No big deal. Popular internet humor/FanHater site ''SomethingAwful'' posting the worst dregs of freakish FetishFuel that they can find out of the entire subculture? '''BURN THEM.''' The fact that ''Something Awful'' is supposed to be a satire site is lost on 99% of the people perpetuating this meme.

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* Odd enough the main reason why people don't like furries isn't the FetishFuel; it's the really annoying members that cry out "Fursecution" when people make fun of them.
** However, this has shades of DeadHorseTrope about it - the very term "Fursecution" is hard for anyone to take seriously these days, both by furs and non-furs, and it generally only gets bandied about by the kind of people on both sides who take it far, far too seriously. Fun drinking game! Go on DeviantArt, punch in "fursecution", and take a drink for every impassioned essay about how "the fur menace should be cleansed" or "this persecution needs to stop". It's like the debate between extremist ethnic minorities and far-right nationalists, only really, really silly. [[StrawmanFallacy Strawmen]], [[WindmillPolitical Windmills]] and InsaneTrollLogic abounds on both sides.
*** And then there are the ones who target other furries for not being [[NoTrueScotsman ''the right kind'']] of furry...
* Within the fandom, certain subsets are considered AcceptableTargets; and, recursively, there are even more specific subsets within these subsets that are considered AcceptableTargets to the less-specific subsets. It starts to resemble politics after a while.

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* ''Series/{{CSI}}'', not to forget that one episode ("Fur and Loathing") that portrayed the entire Furry community as socially awkward individuals who can't seem to get off unless they're wearing a cheap animal costume and humping each other. Of course in fairness CSI is known for its habit of making everything overly sexualized and [[SexIsEvil wrong]].

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* To their credit, ''Something Awful'' considers this a [[DeadHorseTrope Dead Horse Trope]] -- the fact that several of the most vocal people commenting on these posts were found (via comparing IP addresses) to also be [[HypocriticalHumor on various art sites making furry requests]] kinda helped kill it, putting this subculture partly into the realm of OnceAcceptableTargets.
* Most if not all of ''Encyclopedia Dramatica'''s targets on people with mental illness had the unfortunate case to be a ''Franchise/{{Sonic|TheHedgehog}}'' fan. Ironically, a casual browse through the ED forums turns up an [[HypocriticalHumor awful lot of furry profile pictures]].
* This also even happens ''within'' the furry fandom itself. Everyone ''loves'' to attack different people with different fetishes and fursonae.

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* Some {{Fan Hater}}s of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' seem to have made the assumption that [[InsaneTrollLogic since the main characters of the show are (barely) anthropomorphic animals, everyone who watches and enjoys is therefore a furry (in the loosest definition of the term) and must be relentlessly mocked]].
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'''[[FurryFandom Furries]]'''

A group of people who enjoy art
'''Chicago Cubs Fans'''

See also EveryYearTheyFizzleOut
and literature about [[FunnyAnimal anthromorphic characters]] (werewolves, Bugs Bunny expys [[{{ButtMonkey/Sports}} ButtMonkey/Sports]].

The Chicago Cubs have not won the World Series since 1908,
and the like)? No big deal. Popular internet humor/FanHater site ''SomethingAwful'' posting haven't even been ''in'' a World Series since 1945. So, therefore, they are the worst dregs team ever (even though plenty of freakish FetishFuel that they can find out of the entire subculture? '''BURN THEM.''' The fact that ''Something Awful'' is supposed to be a satire site is lost on 99% of the people perpetuating this meme.

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[[AC:{{Real Life}}]]
* Odd enough the main reason why people don't like furries isn't the FetishFuel; it's the really annoying members that cry out "Fursecution" when people make fun of them.
** However, this has shades of DeadHorseTrope about it - the very term "Fursecution" is hard for anyone to take seriously these days, both by furs and non-furs, and it generally only gets bandied about by the kind of people on both sides who take it far, far too seriously. Fun drinking game! Go on DeviantArt, punch in "fursecution", and take a drink for every impassioned essay about how "the fur menace should be cleansed" or "this persecution needs to stop". It's like the debate between extremist ethnic minorities and far-right nationalists, only really, really silly. [[StrawmanFallacy Strawmen]], [[WindmillPolitical Windmills]] and InsaneTrollLogic abounds on both sides.
*** And then there are the ones who target
other furries for not being [[NoTrueScotsman ''the right kind'']] of furry...
* Within
Major League Baseball Teams have ''never'' won the fandom, certain subsets are considered AcceptableTargets; and, recursively, there are even more specific subsets within these subsets that are considered AcceptableTargets to the less-specific subsets. It starts to resemble politics after a while.

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* ''Series/{{CSI}}'', not to forget that one episode ("Fur
World Series), and Loathing") that portrayed the entire Furry community as socially awkward individuals who can't seem to get off unless they're wearing a cheap animal costume and humping each other. Of course in fairness CSI is known for its habit of making everything overly sexualized and [[SexIsEvil wrong]].

[[AC:{{Web Original}}]]
* To their credit, ''Something Awful'' considers this a [[DeadHorseTrope Dead Horse Trope]] -- the fact that several of the most vocal people commenting on these posts were found (via comparing IP addresses) to also be [[HypocriticalHumor on various art sites making furry requests]] kinda helped kill it, putting this subculture partly into the realm of OnceAcceptableTargets.
* Most if not
all of ''Encyclopedia Dramatica'''s targets on people their fans are complete idiots with mental illness had the unfortunate case to be a ''Franchise/{{Sonic|TheHedgehog}}'' fan. Ironically, a casual browse through the ED forums turns up an [[HypocriticalHumor awful lot of furry profile pictures]].
* This also even happens ''within'' the furry fandom itself. Everyone ''loves'' to attack different people with different fetishes and fursonae.

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* Some {{Fan Hater}}s of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' seem to have made the assumption that [[InsaneTrollLogic since the main characters of the show are (barely) anthropomorphic animals, everyone
no class who watches and enjoys is therefore root for a furry (in the loosest definition of the term) and must be relentlessly mocked]].
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'''[[NakedPeopleAreFunny Nudists]]'''

A group of people who like to be naked, depending on viewpoint either because being naked is fun, especially in a group (skinny dippers taken to the next level) or because it's a semi-religious view (that there's nothing shameful about the human body), with most nudists falling somewhere in-between. Often called Naturists in other countries, although some make a distinction -- Nudists like to be naked for fun, Naturists like to be naked because of a lifestyle or philosophical choice. Attracts a lot of new agers, and back in the day, a lot of hippies, so has gotten a reputation for being associated with new age philosophy. In addition, Swingers tend to be attracted to Nudism as it helps them, in theory, find more sex partners -- due to the mistaken idea that Nudists have to be promiscuous because they like to be naked. Nudists as a bit character tend to be pigeonholed into a few stereotypes -- the attractive blond bimbo, the new age hippy, or the extremely ugly old man, with varying levels of promiscuity depending on how they want the character to go.

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* On ''Jimmy Macdonald's Canada'', it's footage of a nudist camp that finally pushes Jimmy over the edge. Nevertheless, most of the humour is in his extreme reaction, and not the nudists.
* ''Series/{{Monk}}'' subverted this hard. Monk initially accused someone of murder based on the fact he was a nudist, and his rants on the subject came to the point of denying nudists were even human. Every single one of his friends came down on him for it. By the end he was convinced his prejudice was wrong, and the initial suspect saved the day. (He still freaked out when the naked guy hugged him. Of course, he's ''Monk'', so...)

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* May not be helped along by the fact that a lot of pro-nudism people seem to go the over-the-top route of saying that all those people wearing clothes are just deluding and restricting themselves, and if they'd only strip down everything wrong with their lives would magically fix itself; IE, that ''everyone is a nudist'', they just don't know it yet. People tend to get a little annoyed when they're told that complete strangers know what they need better than they do. (Which is, of course, why you have so many AcceptablePoliticalTargets.)

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* Averted in the webcomic ''ArthurKingOfTimeAndSpace'', where, in the present-day arc, Guinevere comes from a family of nudists, and everyone accepts it (except for the prudish Lancelot).
* The webcomic ''Loxie & Zoot'' is about nudists and nudism, and usually does a good job of depicting the characters as normal people and not deviants. Unfortunately, there's still a strong subtext throughout the comic that "getting nude makes you happier and makes you a better person" that gets a bit grating at times. Also, the comic's BigBad is a prudish straw politician who seems to be genuinely ''allergic'' to nudity.

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* Averted - and even [[AnAesop Aesoped]] - in ''FamilyGuy'' when Peter and family are invited to dinner by a bunch of nudists to thank Peter for saving the father (Peter didn't realize he was a nudist, he thought he had just lost his swim trunks at sea). The actual mentality of being a nudist is played for laughs (they literally do everything naked) but Peter and Lois's prejudice against nudists is eventually proven to be an unfair bias and they learn their lesson. When the couple shows up again in another episode, Peter and Lois greet them warmly, and it's not even addressed that the two are naked.
* Averted in ''{{Futurama}}''. At several points during the show characters will walk around in the buff. This is, for the most part, ignored by the other characters after it's initially pointed out. Notable exceptions occur when the nude character had recently engaged in sexual conduct.
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'''[[NakedPeopleAreFunny Nudists]]'''

A group of people who like to be naked, depending on viewpoint either because being naked is fun, especially in a group (skinny dippers taken to the next level) or because it's a semi-religious view (that there's nothing shameful about the human body), with most nudists falling somewhere in-between. Often called Naturists in other countries, although some make a distinction -- Nudists like to be naked for fun, Naturists like to be naked because of a lifestyle or philosophical choice. Attracts a lot of new agers, and back in the day, a lot of hippies, so has gotten a reputation for being associated with new age philosophy. In addition, Swingers tend to be attracted to Nudism as it helps them, in theory, find more sex partners -- due to the mistaken idea that Nudists have to be promiscuous because they like to be naked. Nudists as a bit character tend to be pigeonholed into a few stereotypes -- the attractive blond bimbo, the new age hippy, or the extremely ugly old man, with varying levels of promiscuity depending on how they want the character to go.

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* On ''Jimmy Macdonald's Canada'', it's footage of a nudist camp that finally pushes Jimmy over the edge. Nevertheless, most of the humour is in his extreme reaction, and not the nudists.
* ''Series/{{Monk}}'' subverted this hard. Monk initially accused someone of murder based on the fact he was a nudist, and his rants on the subject came to the point of denying nudists were even human. Every single one of his friends came down on him for it. By the end he was convinced his prejudice was wrong, and the initial suspect saved the day. (He still freaked out when the naked guy hugged him. Of course, he's ''Monk'', so...)

[[AC:{{Real Life}}]]
* May not be helped along by the fact that a lot of pro-nudism people seem to go the over-the-top route of saying that all those people wearing clothes are just deluding and restricting themselves, and if they'd only strip down everything wrong with their lives would magically fix itself; IE, that ''everyone is a nudist'', they just don't know it yet. People tend to get a little annoyed when they're told that complete strangers know what they need better than they do. (Which is, of course, why you have so many AcceptablePoliticalTargets.)

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* Averted in the webcomic ''ArthurKingOfTimeAndSpace'', where, in the present-day arc, Guinevere comes from a family of nudists, and everyone accepts it (except for the prudish Lancelot).
* The webcomic ''Loxie & Zoot'' is about nudists and nudism, and usually does a good job of depicting the characters as normal people and not deviants. Unfortunately, there's still a strong subtext throughout the comic that "getting nude makes you happier and makes you a better person" that gets a bit grating at times. Also, the comic's BigBad is a prudish straw politician who seems to be genuinely ''allergic'' to nudity.

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* Averted - and even [[AnAesop Aesoped]] - in ''FamilyGuy'' when Peter and family are invited to dinner by a bunch of nudists to thank Peter for saving the father (Peter didn't realize he was a nudist, he thought he had just lost his swim trunks at sea). The actual mentality of being a nudist is played for laughs (they literally do everything naked) but Peter and Lois's prejudice against nudists is eventually proven to be an unfair bias and they learn their lesson. When the couple shows up again in another episode, Peter and Lois greet them warmly, and it's not even addressed that the two are naked.
* Averted in ''{{Futurama}}''.
'''New York Yankees Fans'''

At several points during the show characters will walk around in the buff. This is, for the most part, ignored by the other characters after it's initially pointed out. Notable exceptions occur when end, those teams (and their fans) that are deemed to be ''too'' successful, are often regarded as Acceptable Targets by rival fans and media. In fictional works, these teams are seen as the nude character had recently engaged in sexual conduct.
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OpposingSportsTeam.



'''Chicago Cubs Fans'''

See also EveryYearTheyFizzleOut and [[{{ButtMonkey/Sports}} ButtMonkey/Sports]].

The Chicago Cubs have not won the World Series since 1908, and haven't even been ''in'' a World Series since 1945. So, therefore, they are the worst team ever (even though plenty of other Major League Baseball Teams have ''never'' won the World Series), and all of their fans are complete idiots with no class who root for a lost cause.

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* A fictional example of this is Ron Weasley's unwavering support of the Chudley Cannons Quidditch team in the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' series. The Cannons last won the League Cup in 1892 and in 1972 changed their motto from "We shall conquer" to "Let's all just keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best".

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* [[http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/video/suffering-cleveland-bans-all-professional-sports,19701/ In this segment by]] TheOnion, the City of Cleveland banned sports from the city due to their infamous championship drought.

[[AC:{{Real Life}}]]
* Just about every sports announcer has made a derogatory remark about the Cubs and, by extension, their fans. The Steve Bartman incident did not help things either. Also, many St. Louisans do this, but that's because of the strong regional rivalry between the St. Louis Cardinals (who have 11 World Series wins, the second-highest amount in MLB history) and the Chicago Cubs (who have won the World Series twice, in 1907 and 1908).\\
\\
There is a bizarre contradiction with the Cubs. Due to broadcasting on WGN and their "good guy" image, they've picked up a fanbase that's probably second to the Yankees in number. So much so, that in any state in the union, if someone likes baseball, but doesn't like the local team - if they're not a Yankees fan, they're probably a Cubs fan. However, their record/history is pretty close to the exact opposite of the Yankees.
** Played with in ''Film/BackToTheFuture Part II'' in which the Cubs win the World Series in [[TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture 2015]].
** And in a ''SamuraiCat'' book; titular hero Miaowara Tomokato is nodding in sympathy with two Chicago natives about how bad the Cubs are. Tomokato's a 16th-century samurai, so he has an excuse; the natives, though, are Prohibition-era types, with the World Series win in recent memory and decent chances of making it. Huh?
* Fans of Chicago's two baseball teams stick stereotypes to the other team's fans. Therefore, Cub fans are seen as effete wine-sipping yuppies, while White Sox fans are stereotyped as boorish, cheap beer-drinking slobs.
** Due to Wrigley being just as much of a tourist attraction and a party destination as it is a baseball park, another common criticism from Sox fans is that Cubs fans either aren't baseball fans, or just drunken frat boys. In return, Cubs fans also take to criticizing Sox fans' jealousy and general preoccupation with the Cubs.
* ''Detroit Lions'' fans. The words "0-16" and "Matt Millen" pretty much sums it up.
* ''Cleveland Browns'' fans. In fact, ''any professional Cleveland team in general''...and let's not even get started about Lebron James when he ''[[MemeticMutation took his talents to]] [[{{Miami}} South Beach]]''.
* San Diego Chargers and Padres fans. Their championship drought is as long as Cleveland's (longer by a year actually), but they are such a ButtMonkey, even those that feel sorry for sports towns like Cleveland and Buffalo will laugh at them.
* Buffalo Bills and Sabres fans. Their championship drought is as long as Cleveland's, and haters of those teams will often say things to remind them of their misery like "Wide Right", "No Goal" and "Music City Miracle" to intimidate their fans.
* In baseball, despite the team's success, Oakland A's fans are Acceptable Targets for being stupid enough to support a [[{{PerpetualPoverty}} dead-broke team]] that will ALWAYS lose their best players to free agency. Taunts along the lines of "we can afford (insert name here), he's ours now, enjoy your rookies".
* Fans of all of Philadelphia's sports teams tend to be depicted in a less-than-flattering light, although that doesn't have as much to do with the Philadelphia teams' success as it does the fans' behavior. In the 1970s, the Philadelphia Eagles' fans ''threw snowballs at Santa Claus''. On July 25, 2009, the Phillies played a home game against the St. Louis Cardinals, and a couple of fans had started flashing a laser-light in the Cardinals' batters eyes for a couple of innings--no wonder the Cards had gotten some 7 runs behind. After the game, some Phillies fans attacked a small group of people who were wearing their Cardinals jersey, and one young man was killed. Classy.
* On a related note, specific sports trades, especially in pro football. Depending on the state (or even city), Brett Favre is either a traitor and should have never come out of retirement or a complete hero. Needless to say, arguments on either side tend to escalate quickly.
* Fans of any team that left their town. Even if the move was due to ExecutiveMeddling and such, many will blame the town's citizens and the fans for making them move, saying "They didn't support them"...even if they did.
* In hockey, Toronto Maple Leafs fans.
* In TheWorldCup, fans of the Netherlands; which their team having an 0-3 record in the finals in which some people have given them the nickname of the '''“Neverlands”'', as well as fans of England; whom their team have not been able to come through in recent times since their championship in 1966 despite much hype.
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'''Chicago Cubs Fans'''

See also EveryYearTheyFizzleOut and [[{{ButtMonkey/Sports}} ButtMonkey/Sports]].

The Chicago Cubs have not won the World Series since 1908, and haven't even been ''in'' a World Series since 1945. So, therefore, they are the worst team ever (even though plenty of other Major League Baseball Teams have ''never'' won the World Series), and all of their fans are complete idiots with no class who root for a lost cause.

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:{{Literature}}]]
* A fictional example of this is Ron Weasley's unwavering support of the Chudley Cannons Quidditch team in the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' series. The Cannons last won the League Cup in 1892 and in 1972 changed their motto from "We shall conquer" to "Let's all just keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best".

[[AC: WebOriginal]]
* [[http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/video/suffering-cleveland-bans-all-professional-sports,19701/ In this segment by]] TheOnion, the City of Cleveland banned sports from the city due to their infamous championship drought.

[[AC:{{Real Life}}]]
* Just about every sports announcer has made a derogatory remark about the Cubs and, by extension, their fans. The Steve Bartman incident did not help things either. Also, many St. Louisans do this, but that's because of the strong regional rivalry between the St. Louis Cardinals (who have 11 World Series wins, the second-highest amount in MLB history) and the Chicago Cubs (who have won the World Series twice, in 1907 and 1908).\\
\\
There is a bizarre contradiction with the Cubs. Due to broadcasting on WGN and their "good guy" image, they've picked up a fanbase that's probably second to the Yankees in number. So much so, that in any state in the union, if someone likes baseball, but doesn't
'''ProfessionalWrestling fans'''

Feel
like the local team - if they're not a Yankees fan, they're probably a Cubs fan. However, their record/history is pretty close to the exact opposite of the Yankees.
** Played with in ''Film/BackToTheFuture Part II'' in which the Cubs win the World Series in [[TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture 2015]].
** And in a ''SamuraiCat'' book; titular hero Miaowara Tomokato is nodding in sympathy with two Chicago natives about how bad the Cubs are. Tomokato's a 16th-century samurai, so he has an excuse; the natives, though, are Prohibition-era types, with the World Series win in recent memory and decent chances of making it. Huh?
* Fans of Chicago's two baseball teams stick stereotypes to the other team's fans. Therefore, Cub fans are seen as effete wine-sipping yuppies, while White Sox fans are stereotyped as boorish, cheap beer-drinking slobs.
** Due to Wrigley being just as much of a tourist attraction and a party destination as it is a baseball park, another common criticism from Sox fans is that Cubs fans either aren't baseball fans, or just drunken frat boys. In return, Cubs fans also take to criticizing Sox fans' jealousy and general preoccupation with the Cubs.
* ''Detroit Lions'' fans. The words "0-16" and "Matt Millen" pretty much sums it up.
* ''Cleveland Browns'' fans. In fact, ''any professional Cleveland team in general''...and let's not even get started about Lebron James when he ''[[MemeticMutation took his talents to]] [[{{Miami}} South Beach]]''.
* San Diego Chargers and Padres fans. Their championship drought is as long as Cleveland's (longer by a year actually), but they are such a ButtMonkey, even those that feel sorry for sports towns like Cleveland and Buffalo will laugh at them.
* Buffalo Bills and Sabres fans. Their championship drought is as long as Cleveland's, and haters of those teams will often say things to remind them of their misery like "Wide Right", "No Goal" and "Music City Miracle" to intimidate their fans.
* In baseball, despite the team's success, Oakland A's fans are Acceptable Targets for being stupid enough to support a [[{{PerpetualPoverty}} dead-broke team]] that will ALWAYS lose their best players to free agency. Taunts along the lines of "we can afford (insert name here), he's ours now, enjoy your rookies".
* Fans of all of Philadelphia's sports teams tend to be depicted in a less-than-flattering light, although that doesn't have as much to do with the Philadelphia teams' success as it does the fans' behavior. In the 1970s, the Philadelphia Eagles' fans ''threw snowballs at Santa Claus''. On July 25, 2009, the Phillies played a home game against the St. Louis Cardinals, and a couple of fans had started flashing a laser-light in the Cardinals' batters eyes for a couple of innings--no wonder the Cards had gotten some 7 runs behind. After the game, some Phillies fans attacked a small group of people who were wearing their Cardinals jersey, and one young man was killed. Classy.
* On a related note, specific sports trades, especially in pro football. Depending on the state (or even city), Brett Favre is either a traitor and should have never come
coming out of retirement or your steel cage closet and admitting you're a complete hero. Needless to fan to, say, arguments on either side tend to escalate quickly.
* Fans of any team that left their town. Even if the move was due to ExecutiveMeddling and such, many will blame the town's citizens and the fans for making them move, saying "They didn't support them"...even if they did.
* In hockey, Toronto Maple Leafs fans.
* In TheWorldCup, fans of the Netherlands; which their team having an 0-3 record in the finals in which some people have given them the nickname of the '''“Neverlands”'', as well as fans of England; whom their team have not been able to come through in recent times since their championship in 1966 despite much hype.
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your boss?



'''New York Yankees Fans'''

At the other end, those teams (and their fans) that are deemed to be ''too'' successful, are often regarded as Acceptable Targets by rival fans and media. In fictional works, these teams are seen as the OpposingSportsTeam.

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:{{Real Life}}]]
* In the [[{{Baseball}} MLB]], the NewYork Yankees. Some may consider that the Boston Red Sox are also this now that their team has ended its "curse".
** If it is acceptable to bash Red Sox fans, it's not because they're a lost cause. Though you can still bash them for constantly gloating about how great their team is. (To be fair, [[NewYorkCity those other guys]] are equally annoying.) Reached critical mass in 2004 when the Red Sox and Patriots both won championships.
* In the [[{{Basketball}} NBA]], the LosAngeles Lakers.
** Although they haven't won many championships yet, the {{Miami}} Heat are being considered as this as well since Lebron James controversially "[[MemeticMutation took his talents to South Beach]]".
** In College {{Basketball}}, the Duke Blue Devils.
* In the [[AmericanFootball NFL]], the {{Dallas}} Cowboys and the {{Pittsburgh}} Steelers, and to a lesser extent, the Green Bay Packers and the New England Patriots.
* In the [[EnglishPremierLeague EPL]], the so called "Big Four" clubs, which are Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and especially Manchester United, who are stereotyped as only following them because they win regularly, while the team itself and its international following is often jokingly referred to as 'the only team with no supporters in its home city' or similar.
* In the [[AustralianRulesFootball AFL]], do you barrack for Collingwood? Guess what - everyone hates you. No, seriously, ''everyone''. Every ARF fan, ever, hates you more than they hate every other fan of every other team, combined, to a factor of infinity. ''That'' is how thoroughly Collingwood is despised in Australia.
* In the OlympicGames, [[MisplacedNationalism anyone that roots for the United States and to a lesser extent, China and Russia]].
* In {{NASCAR}}, Jimmie Johnson. His 5 consecutive championships... has not gone too well with other racing fans to say the least.
* In the NHL, there are the Detroit Red Wings, mainly due to the fact that they have been one of the more successful teams consistently in the past two decades. To a lesser degree there's the Pittsburgh Penguins, which is mainly due in part to Sidney Crosby playing for them.
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'''New York Yankees Fans'''

At
'''[[MusclesAreMeaningless Bodybuilders]]'''

Doesn't help much that they use steroids, or that everything about the lifestyle strikes some people as HoYay.
* Even more so, [[BrawnHilda Female Bodybuilders]] (and, [[AssociationFallacy by proxy]], fitness and figure competitors). And don't try to argue that these women are instead [[AmazonianBeauty attractive]]. You're bound to be caught up in ''numerous'' {{Flame War}}s detailing [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment stereotypes about female beauty, one's sexual orientation, and a whole gamut of topics not fit to be reproduced on this page (or elsewhere, for that matter).]]
* In RealLife bodybuilding is [[BrokenBase split]] between long-term builders and get-big-quick muscleheads (usually teenage males) who try to live up to the stereotype. The former usually emphasize healthy diets and avoid steroids and supplements while the later will buy any new gimmick to get "ABZ."
* Ironically, bodybuilding is a popular couples sport, either with one person training and
the other end, those teams (and their fans) that are deemed to be ''too'' successful, are often regarded as Acceptable Targets by rival fans and media. In fictional works, these teams are seen as the OpposingSportsTeam.

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:{{Real Life}}]]
* In the [[{{Baseball}} MLB]], the NewYork Yankees. Some may consider that the Boston Red Sox are also this now that their team has ended its "curse".
** If it is acceptable to bash Red Sox fans, it's not because they're a lost cause. Though you can still bash them for constantly gloating about how great their team is. (To be fair, [[NewYorkCity those other guys]] are equally annoying.) Reached critical mass in 2004 when the Red Sox and Patriots
coaching, or both won championships.
* In the [[{{Basketball}} NBA]], the LosAngeles Lakers.
** Although they haven't won many championships yet, the {{Miami}} Heat are being considered as this as well since Lebron James controversially "[[MemeticMutation took his talents to South Beach]]".
** In College {{Basketball}}, the Duke Blue Devils.
* In the [[AmericanFootball NFL]], the {{Dallas}} Cowboys and the {{Pittsburgh}} Steelers, and to a lesser extent, the Green Bay Packers and the New England Patriots.
* In the [[EnglishPremierLeague EPL]], the so called "Big Four" clubs, which are Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and especially Manchester United, who are stereotyped as only following them because they win regularly, while the team itself and its international following is often jokingly referred to as 'the only team with no supporters in its home city' or similar.
* In the [[AustralianRulesFootball AFL]], do you barrack for Collingwood? Guess what - everyone hates you. No, seriously, ''everyone''. Every ARF fan, ever, hates you more than they hate every other fan of every other team, combined, to a factor of infinity. ''That'' is how thoroughly Collingwood is despised in Australia.
* In the OlympicGames, [[MisplacedNationalism anyone that roots for the United States and to a lesser extent, China and Russia]].
* In {{NASCAR}}, Jimmie Johnson. His 5 consecutive championships... has not gone too well with other racing fans to say the least.
* In the NHL, there are the Detroit Red Wings, mainly due to the fact that they have been one of the more successful teams consistently in the past two decades. To a lesser degree there's the Pittsburgh Penguins, which is mainly due in part to Sidney Crosby playing for them.
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working out together.



'''ProfessionalWrestling fans'''

Feel like coming out of your steel cage closet and admitting you're a fan to, say, your boss?

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:{{Real Life}}]]
* Here's how bad it was at one point: a gentleman was once trying to avoid admitting that he was watching wrestling when he was discussing how he saw a local hero, Lance Storm, on television; instead, according to Storm, he claimed that somehow, while channelflipping, he came across the channel showing the programme just as Storm was in the ring. Storm figured the odds of that are remote. And the worst part? The fan was talking to someone he knew to be Mrs Storm.
* A few years back, the worst thing that could be said to wrestling fans were the typical homophobic jokes that we're all familiar with, but since the ChrisBenoit incident pro wrestling and the sport itself have been put into a much nastier light.
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'''ProfessionalWrestling fans'''

Feel like coming out
'''People who prefer media free of your steel cage closet and admitting you're a fan to, say, your boss?

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:{{Real Life}}]]
* Here's how bad it was at one point: a gentleman was once trying to avoid admitting that he was watching wrestling when he was discussing how he saw a local hero, Lance Storm, on television; instead, according to Storm, he claimed that somehow, while channelflipping, he came across the channel showing the programme just as Storm was in the ring. Storm figured the odds of that are remote. And the worst part? The fan was talking to someone he knew
sex and/or violence'''

Unfortunately, all people who uphold this preference tend
to be Mrs Storm.
* A few years back, the worst thing that could be said to wrestling fans were the typical homophobic jokes that we're all familiar with, but since the ChrisBenoit incident pro wrestling
lumped in with MoralGuardians - even if those are just personal preferences, and the sport itself they have been put no intention of pushing those personal preferences onto other people. Heck, even if you just say you'd like a little ''less'' sex and violence in entertainment, you'll be accused of being some right-wing anti-sex prude who obviously doesn't know what "[[TrueArtIsOffensive real]]" entertainment is. Dear god help you if ValuesDissonance of any sort comes into a much nastier light.
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play.



'''[[MusclesAreMeaningless Bodybuilders]]'''

Doesn't help much that they use steroids, or that everything about the lifestyle strikes some people as HoYay.
* Even more so, [[BrawnHilda Female Bodybuilders]] (and, [[AssociationFallacy by proxy]], fitness and figure competitors). And don't try to argue that these women are instead [[AmazonianBeauty attractive]]. You're bound to be caught up in ''numerous'' {{Flame War}}s detailing [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment stereotypes about female beauty, one's sexual orientation, and a whole gamut of topics not fit to be reproduced on this page (or elsewhere, for that matter).]]
* In RealLife bodybuilding is [[BrokenBase split]] between long-term builders and get-big-quick muscleheads (usually teenage males) who try to live up to the stereotype. The former usually emphasize healthy diets and avoid steroids and supplements while the later will buy any new gimmick to get "ABZ."
* Ironically, bodybuilding is a popular couples sport, either with one person training and the other coaching, or both working out together.

to:

'''[[MusclesAreMeaningless Bodybuilders]]'''

Doesn't help much
'''[[DiscoDan Fans of a]] DeadHorseGenre'''

At least, the people who like the latest teen pop have an excuse of "following the crowd" - but if the music is no longer even popular, then what's their excuse? Surely, it can't be because it just so happens to be the music
that they use steroids, or that everything about the lifestyle strikes some people as HoYay.
* Even more so, [[BrawnHilda Female Bodybuilders]] (and, [[AssociationFallacy by proxy]], fitness
derive personal pleasure from. No, of course not! [[FanHater It's because they're too stupid and figure competitors). And don't try misguided to argue that these women are instead [[AmazonianBeauty attractive]]. You're bound to be caught up in ''numerous'' {{Flame War}}s detailing [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment stereotypes about female beauty, one's sexual orientation, and a whole gamut of topics not fit to be reproduced on this page (or elsewhere, for that matter).know any better.]]
* In RealLife bodybuilding is [[BrokenBase split]] between long-term builders and get-big-quick muscleheads (usually teenage males) who try to live up to the stereotype. The former usually emphasize healthy diets and avoid steroids and supplements while the later will buy any new gimmick to get "ABZ."
* Ironically, bodybuilding is a popular couples sport, either with one person training and the other coaching, or both working out together.



'''People who prefer media free of sex and/or violence'''

Unfortunately, all people who uphold this preference tend to be lumped in with MoralGuardians - even if those are just personal preferences, and they have no intention of pushing those personal preferences onto other people. Heck, even if you just say you'd like a little ''less'' sex and violence in entertainment, you'll be accused of being some right-wing anti-sex prude who obviously doesn't know what "[[TrueArtIsOffensive real]]" entertainment is. Dear god help you if ValuesDissonance of any sort comes into play.

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:{{Real Life}}]]
* This is taken UpToEleven if you have any interest in playing [[VisualNovel Visual Novels]] that aren't about [[PhoenixWright lawyers]].
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'''People who prefer media free of sex and/or violence'''

Unfortunately, all people who uphold this preference tend to be lumped in with MoralGuardians - even if those are just personal preferences, and they
'''[[RailEnthusiast Trainspotters/Railfans]]'''

They
have no intention of pushing those personal preferences onto other people. Heck, even if you just say you'd like become a little ''less'' sex and violence in entertainment, you'll be accused of being some right-wing anti-sex prude who obviously doesn't know what "[[TrueArtIsOffensive real]]" entertainment is. Dear god help you if ValuesDissonance of any sort comes into play.

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:{{Real Life}}]]
* This is taken UpToEleven if you have any interest in playing [[VisualNovel Visual Novels]] that aren't about [[PhoenixWright lawyers]].
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byword for all pathetic, pointless hobbies.



'''[[DiscoDan Fans of a]] DeadHorseGenre'''

At least, the people who like the latest teen pop have an excuse of "following the crowd" - but if the music is no longer even popular, then what's their excuse? Surely, it can't be because it just so happens to be the music that they derive personal pleasure from. No, of course not! [[FanHater It's because they're too stupid and misguided to know any better.]]

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:{{Real Life}}]]
* [[NotSoDifferent By the same token]], enthusiasts of almost any "classic rock" or ProgressiveRock artist, particularly from TheSeventies, particularly after [[SarcasmMode The Great Punk Purge of the Summer of 1977 that saved all music from pretentiousness and self-indulgence]], if you can believe many [[CausticCritic Caustic Critics]].
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'''[[DiscoDan Fans of a]] DeadHorseGenre'''

At least,
'''People who obsessively play online games'''

Especially stuff like ''WorldOfWarcraft'', which is
the biggest target. For some reason, partly due to NewMediaAreEvil, it's seemingly perfectly acceptable to blame any addictions to online games as the fault of the game itself - whereas doing this for just about anything else (namely blaming the murder on the ''murder weapon'' and not the ''murderer'') usually results with people who like the latest teen pop have an excuse of "following the crowd" - but if the music is no longer even popular, then what's their excuse? Surely, not taking it can't be because it just so happens to be the music that they derive personal pleasure from. No, of course not! [[FanHater It's because they're too stupid and misguided to know any better.]]

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:{{Real Life}}]]
* [[NotSoDifferent By the same token]], enthusiasts of almost any "classic rock" or ProgressiveRock artist, particularly from TheSeventies, particularly after [[SarcasmMode The Great Punk Purge of the Summer of 1977 that saved all music from pretentiousness and self-indulgence]], if you can believe many [[CausticCritic Caustic Critics]].
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seriously.



'''[[RailEnthusiast Trainspotters/Railfans]]'''

They have become a byword for all pathetic, pointless hobbies.

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'''[[RailEnthusiast Trainspotters/Railfans]]'''

They have become a byword for all pathetic, pointless hobbies.
'''Gun hobbyists'''

Either right-wing nuts or terrorists in training or tragedies waiting to happen.



'''People who obsessively play online games'''

Especially stuff like ''WorldOfWarcraft'', which is the biggest target. For some reason, partly due to NewMediaAreEvil, it's seemingly perfectly acceptable to blame any addictions to online games as the fault of the game itself - whereas doing this for just about anything else (namely blaming the murder on the ''murder weapon'' and not the ''murderer'') usually results with people not taking it seriously.

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:{{MMORPG}}s]]
* The {{Fan Hater}}s will have you believe everyone who plays ''WorldOfWarcraft'' is a min-maxer or one of the hardcore raiders which [[EvenNerdsHaveStandards some of the players themselves hate]].
** It doesn't help that the ones who ''are'' hardcore StopHavingFunGuys min-maxers who call everyone who isn't a "noob," and will heap obscene amounts of venom on anyone who doesn't ''want'' to sqeeze every last iota of DPS out of their gear/gems/enchants/talents/rotation.
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'''People '''Men who obsessively play online games'''

Especially stuff like ''WorldOfWarcraft'', which is
knit'''

Men who knit are frequently compared to homosexuals, old ladies, or old lady homosexuals. Despite
the biggest target. For some reason, partly due fact that a girlfriend would probably love to NewMediaAreEvil, it's seemingly perfectly acceptable to blame any addictions to online games as the fault of the game itself - whereas doing this for just about anything else (namely blaming the murder on the ''murder weapon'' and not the ''murderer'') usually results with people not taking it seriously.

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:{{MMORPG}}s]]
* The {{Fan Hater}}s will
have you believe everyone who plays ''WorldOfWarcraft'' is a min-maxer or one of the hardcore raiders which [[EvenNerdsHaveStandards some of the players themselves hate]].
** It doesn't help
guy that the ones who ''are'' hardcore StopHavingFunGuys min-maxers who call everyone who isn't a "noob," and will heap obscene amounts of venom on anyone who doesn't ''want'' to sqeeze every last iota of DPS out of their gear/gems/enchants/talents/rotation.
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can make gorgeous accessories for her from scratch.



'''Gun hobbyists'''

Either right-wing nuts or terrorists in training or tragedies waiting to happen.

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:Real Life]]
* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uruyTZdQAb0 This Youtube video is one such example. Warning: link is saddening.]]
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'''Gun hobbyists'''

Either right-wing nuts
'''Tabletop Roleplayers'''

All 30-year-old man children who have no social skills and will live in their parents' basements as long as they can. More modern interpretations don't even let them get to be out of their teens, but they're just about always socially stunted nerds, and girls are mysterious-nigh-mythical creatures to them; certainly no girl would ever be ''caught'' playing a tabletop RPG. They also wear silly hats while they play. Which brings us to the '''BrotherhoodOfFunnyHats''', though it's rare to see this nowadays...
* When the occasional tabletop gaming female does appear, she's either a fat, unattractive, overdramatic emo-girl (there's a lot of overlap with anime fangirls here),
or terrorists in training or tragedies waiting to happen.

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:Real Life]]
* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uruyTZdQAb0 This Youtube video is one such example. Warning: link is saddening.]]
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a tomboy who's probably a little lesbian.



'''Men who knit'''

Men who knit are frequently compared to homosexuals, old ladies, or old lady homosexuals. Despite the fact that a girlfriend would probably love to have a guy that can make gorgeous accessories for her from scratch.

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:{{Films}}]]
* John Spartan of ''DemolitionMan'' was turned into one of these during his sleep. He was baffled when he admitted that the first thing he wanted to do was knit. He even knitted a sweater for his partner.

[[AC:VideoGames]]
* {{Deconstructed}} with Kanji Tatsumi from Persona 4: he's a misblamed delinquent, who has underlying fears that he isn't deemed manly because he likes to sew, paint and the like, [[spoiler: but it turns out he's just afraid of being rejected]]. As the [[WarriorTherapist protaganist]], you get to help him get over his concerns.
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'''Men who knit'''

Men who knit are frequently
'''Fans of "That Other Football"'''

For most, if not all of the world, the most popular sports in a specific nation will usually include one game that is called "Football"...and usually only one sport at that although in rare occasions two. (ex. AssociationFootball / Soccer and RubgyFootball in the United Kingdom, AmericanFootball in the United States, GaelicFootball in Ireland, and AustralianRulesFootball in Australia). However for some reason, it seems to be taboo for one to like two or more football codes, especially one that is considered "foreign". In Australia for example, most of the country is either divided between Rugby and Aussie rules, with soccer being an afterthought (outside of the national team), while in the US; outside the US Mens (and sometimes Womens) National Team, soccer is not seen well as a spectator sport
compared to homosexuals, old ladies, or old lady homosexuals. Despite the fact American Football, and it is hard to find someone to openly say they are a fan of both Football and Soccer (or even just soccer for that matter). Of course, since there are quite a girlfriend would probably love to have a guy few sports that can claim the name Football, there are quite a few heated arguments among the fans of each sport on which sport really is the "Real" Football (Soccer vs AmericanFootball debates especially), [[InternetBackdraft with plenty of]] [[SeriousBusiness eloquent]] and [[DidNotDoTheResearch well-researched arguments]] to [[FanDumb make gorgeous accessories their point]].

For the record, if you were wondering where all these sports called "Football" came from, in the 19th century, kids played their own versions of football however they felt like it. But soon after, there was a call in England
for her from scratch.

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:{{Films}}]]
* John Spartan
standardizing the rules of ''DemolitionMan'' was turned into one Football, which of course led to lots of arguing. In the end the arguers settled on two games: Rugby Football and Association football. Not long after, other organized sports based on these two sports as well as others were formed (AustralianRulesFootball, AmericanFootball, GaelicFootball, etc.) and all of these during his sleep. He was baffled when he admitted "Football" sports have since gained a foothold in sports culture. Of course since there are quite a few sports that claim the first thing he wanted name Football many of these arguments continue on to do was knit. He even knitted a sweater for his partner.

[[AC:VideoGames]]
* {{Deconstructed}} with Kanji Tatsumi from Persona 4: he's a misblamed delinquent, who has underlying fears that he isn't deemed manly because he likes to sew, paint and the like, [[spoiler: but it turns out he's just afraid of being rejected]]. As the [[WarriorTherapist protaganist]], you get to help him get over his concerns.
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this very day.



'''Tabletop Roleplayers'''

All 30-year-old man children who have no social skills and will live in their parents' basements as long as they can. More modern interpretations don't even let them get to be out of their teens, but they're just about always socially stunted nerds, and girls are mysterious-nigh-mythical creatures to them; certainly no girl would ever be ''caught'' playing a tabletop RPG. They also wear silly hats while they play. Which brings us to the '''BrotherhoodOfFunnyHats''', though it's rare to see this nowadays...
* When the occasional tabletop gaming female does appear, she's either a fat, unattractive, overdramatic emo-girl (there's a lot of overlap with anime fangirls here), or a tomboy who's probably a little lesbian.

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'''Tabletop Roleplayers'''

All 30-year-old man children who have no social skills
'''Fantasy Sports Players'''

They are often accused of bringing "nerd-like traditions" into sports fandoms,
and will live in their parents' basements as long as cheering when they can. More modern interpretations don't even let them get to be out of their teens, but they're just about always socially stunted nerds, and girls are mysterious-nigh-mythical creatures "not" supposed to them; certainly no girl would ever be ''caught'' playing a tabletop RPG. They also wear silly hats while they play. Which brings us to the '''BrotherhoodOfFunnyHats''', though it's rare to see this nowadays...
* When the occasional tabletop gaming female does appear, she's either a fat, unattractive, overdramatic emo-girl (there's a lot of overlap with anime fangirls here), or a tomboy who's probably a little lesbian.
cheer.



'''Fans of "That Other Football"'''

For most, if not all of the world, the most popular sports in a specific nation will usually include one game that is called "Football"...and usually only one sport at that although in rare occasions two. (ex. AssociationFootball / Soccer and RubgyFootball in the United Kingdom, AmericanFootball in the United States, GaelicFootball in Ireland, and AustralianRulesFootball in Australia). However for some reason, it seems to be taboo for one to like two or more football codes, especially one that is considered "foreign". In Australia for example, most of the country is either divided between Rugby and Aussie rules, with soccer being an afterthought (outside of the national team), while in the US; outside the US Mens (and sometimes Womens) National Team, soccer is not seen well as a spectator sport compared to American Football, and it is hard to find someone to openly say they are a fan of both Football and Soccer (or even just soccer for that matter). Of course, since there are quite a few sports that claim the name Football, there are quite a few heated arguments among the fans of each sport on which sport really is the "Real" Football (Soccer vs AmericanFootball debates especially), [[InternetBackdraft with plenty of]] [[SeriousBusiness eloquent]] and [[DidNotDoTheResearch well-researched arguments]] to [[FanDumb make their point]].

For the record, if you were wondering where all these sports called "Football" came from, in the 19th century, kids played their own versions of football however they felt like it. But soon after, there was a call in England for standardizing the rules of Football, which of course led to lots of arguing. In the end the arguers settled on two games: Rugby Football and Association football. Not long after, other organized sports based on these two sports as well as others were formed (AustralianRulesFootball, AmericanFootball, GaelicFootball, etc.) and all of these "Football" sports have since gained a foothold in sports culture. Of course since there are quite a few sports that claim the name Football many of these arguments continue on to this very day.

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:{{Literature}}]]
* In the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' [[{{Potterverse}} universe]], the book ''Literature/QuidditchThroughTheAges'' has a section dealing with the status of Quidditch around the world. Americans (and not just the US, all of the Americas here) apparently prefer the game Quodpot, a sort of hot-potato game involving a Quaffle that has been tampered with and explodes - an obvious joke on Americans who prefer American football to soccer. It was mentioned that Quidditch was starting to get popular in the Americas, although rather slowly, which is similar to the RealLife situation of soccer in America.

[[AC:{{Live-Action TV}}]]
* {{CBS}}'s [[{{Series/JimRomeIsBurning}} Jim Rome]] is considered to be Soccer's most outspoken hater who tends to be hell-bent on demeaning the sport, its players, and its fans whenever a soccer story is mentioned.
* [[Series/{{Tosh0}} Daniel Tosh]] [[http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81034299/ has had a few]] [[http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81034299/ things to say about]] {{Soccer}}.
* SportsNation’s Colin Cowherd and occasional guest host Skip Bayless often make comments about how they dislike soccer whenever soccer clips are shown.

[[AC:WebOriginal]]
* From TheOnion:
** "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xLn-X8YJRg Soccer Officially Announces It Is Gay]]."
** [[http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/ In The Onion Sport's Network's Main Page]], if you look at the list of sports categories, ''Soccer'' is lumped in the same category as ''Women's Sports''.
* From [[http://twitter.com/bretterlich/status/17345184766 Brett Erlich]] on {{Twitter}}: ''"Literature/{{Twilight}}'s like soccer. They run around for 2 hours, nobody scores, and its billion fans insist you just don't understand."''

[[AC:{{Western Animation}}]]
* [[http://www.vbox7.com/play:7d5444c6 In an episode of]] ''TheSimpsons'' the crowd at an international match starts to complain that ''the game is so boring''. A [[FootballHooligans soccer riot]] eventually breaks out when everyone fights on who is the first to leave. Perhaps best represented by a scene where Kent Brockman and a Spanish announcer deliver the exact same commentary on the game, Brockman sounding like he's two seconds from nodding off while the Spanish announcer sounds like he's drunk too much coffee.

[[AC:{{Real Life}}]]
* In short, the InternetBackdraft related to this is way too common across the internet across all sides. Even in ThisWiki, fans tend to get rather [[JerkAss snobbish]] in editing Football-related articles to demean fans of other football codes.
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'''Fans of "That Other Football"'''

For most, if not all of the world, the most popular sports in a specific nation will usually include one game that is called "Football"...and usually only one sport at that although in rare occasions two. (ex. AssociationFootball / Soccer and RubgyFootball in the United Kingdom, AmericanFootball in the United States, GaelicFootball in Ireland, and AustralianRulesFootball in Australia). However for some reason, it seems to be taboo for one to like two or more football codes, especially one that is considered "foreign". In Australia for example, most of the country is either divided between Rugby and Aussie rules, with soccer being an afterthought (outside of the national team), while in the US; outside the US Mens (and sometimes Womens) National Team, soccer is not seen well as a spectator sport compared to American Football, and it is hard to find someone to openly say they are a fan of both Football and Soccer (or even just soccer for that matter). Of course, since there are quite a few sports that claim the name Football, there are quite a few heated arguments among the fans of each sport on which sport really is the "Real" Football (Soccer vs AmericanFootball debates especially), [[InternetBackdraft with plenty of]] [[SeriousBusiness eloquent]] and [[DidNotDoTheResearch well-researched arguments]] to [[FanDumb make their point]].

For the record, if you were wondering where all these sports called "Football" came from, in the 19th century, kids played their own versions of football however they felt like it. But soon after, there was a call in England for standardizing the rules of Football, which of course led to lots of arguing. In the end the arguers settled on two games: Rugby Football and Association football. Not long after, other organized sports based on these two sports as well as others were formed (AustralianRulesFootball, AmericanFootball, GaelicFootball, etc.) and all of these "Football" sports have since gained a foothold in sports culture. Of course since there are quite a few sports that claim the name Football many of these arguments continue on to this very day.

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:{{Literature}}]]
* In the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' [[{{Potterverse}} universe]], the book ''Literature/QuidditchThroughTheAges'' has a section dealing with the status of Quidditch around the world. Americans (and not just the US, all of the Americas here) apparently prefer the game Quodpot, a sort of hot-potato game involving a Quaffle that has been tampered with and explodes - an obvious joke on Americans
'''Women who prefer American football to soccer. It was mentioned that Quidditch was starting to get popular in the Americas, although rather slowly, which is similar to the RealLife situation of soccer in America.

[[AC:{{Live-Action TV}}]]
* {{CBS}}'s [[{{Series/JimRomeIsBurning}} Jim Rome]] is considered to be Soccer's most outspoken hater who tends to be hell-bent on demeaning the sport, its players, and its fans whenever a soccer story is mentioned.
* [[Series/{{Tosh0}} Daniel Tosh]] [[http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81034299/ has had a few]] [[http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81034299/ things to say about]] {{Soccer}}.
* SportsNation’s Colin Cowherd and occasional guest host Skip Bayless often make comments about how they dislike soccer whenever soccer clips are shown.

[[AC:WebOriginal]]
* From TheOnion:
** "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xLn-X8YJRg Soccer Officially Announces It Is Gay]]."
** [[http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/ In The Onion Sport's Network's Main Page]], if you look at the list of sports categories, ''Soccer'' is lumped in the same category as ''Women's Sports''.
* From [[http://twitter.com/bretterlich/status/17345184766 Brett Erlich]] on {{Twitter}}: ''"Literature/{{Twilight}}'s like soccer. They run around for 2 hours, nobody scores, and its billion fans insist you just
don't understand."''

[[AC:{{Western Animation}}]]
* [[http://www.vbox7.com/play:7d5444c6 In an episode of]] ''TheSimpsons'' the crowd at an international match starts to complain that ''the game is so boring''. A [[FootballHooligans soccer riot]] eventually breaks out when everyone fights on who is the first to leave. Perhaps best represented by a scene where Kent Brockman and a Spanish announcer deliver the exact same commentary on the game, Brockman sounding
like he's two seconds from nodding off while the Spanish announcer sounds like he's drunk too much coffee.

[[AC:{{Real Life}}]]
* In short, the InternetBackdraft related to
clothes (or [[AllWomenLoveShoes shoes]]) shopping'''

Even though this, technically, a traditionally feminine gender norm -
this is way too common across the internet across all sides. Even one trait that will be expected in ThisWiki, fans tend to get rather [[JerkAss snobbish]] in editing Football-related articles to demean fans of women, ''even by other football codes.
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women''. Women who don't fancy spending an entire Saturday in a shopping mall are often treated as being socially aberrant. In some cases, even ''mothers'' will express concern over their daughters' lack of interest in clothes or shoes - and may attempt to "correct" that. Also, while men may not care so much about the "women hanging out at a shopping mall" aspect, many will act as if women not caring about looking fashionable is some sort of affront to ''them''. "How dare you not care about making yourself look good for ''us''?" But for other guys, it's FetishFuel!



'''Fantasy Sports Players'''

They are often accused of bringing "nerd-like traditions" into sports fandoms, and cheering when they are "not" supposed to cheer.

[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:Other]]
* [[http://www.theonion.com/content/node/38664 This article from]] TheOnion notes this.
* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TBusqMaCEM This ESPN commercial notes this]]. In the commercial, two jocks were discussing baseball stats when a couple of nerds pass by and call them "nerds".
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'''Women who don't like clothes (or [[AllWomenLoveShoes shoes]]) shopping'''

Even though this, technically, a traditionally feminine gender norm - this is one trait that will be expected in women, ''even by other women''. Women who don't fancy spending an entire Saturday in a shopping mall are often treated as being socially aberrant. In some cases, even ''mothers'' will express concern over their daughters' lack of interest in clothes or shoes - and may attempt to "correct" that. Also, while men may not care so much about the "women hanging out at a shopping mall" aspect, many will act as if women not caring about looking fashionable is some sort of affront to ''them''. "How dare you not care about making yourself look good for ''us''?" But for other guys, it's FetishFuel!

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[[folder:Examples]]

[[AC:{{Literature}}]]

* {{Discworld}} parodied this with the Battle of Koom Valley. The men all get prepared to symbolically refight the battle, while the women stand around looking annoyed because they can only be wenches, 'that being the only job available to them in the olden days.'.

[[AC:{{Live-Action TV}}]]
* An SNL sketch featured John C. Reilly as an actor at Colonial Williamsburg who felt attitudes about slavery in the Eighteenth century justified pushing around his black co-workers. Even in e-mails.
* A YouGoGirl episode of ''Ellen'' had the titular heroine trying to join a reenactment as a union soldier, when the only roles open to women were nurses and camp followers.
* Mark on PeepShow makes friends with Daryl who's into history as much as he is. One scene features them both at an event, dressed as German soldiers when Daryl starts making racist remarks. Marks starts joining in, thinking it's just role-play, only to discover his new friend really is a white supremacist.
* A truly terrible ''MadTV'' skit had some white people meticulously recreating the atmosphere of a 1950s diner just so they could have an excuse to harass black customers with various passive-aggressive remarks. Reaches its nadir when one of them drags out a fire hose and threatens to spray down the blacks if they don't stop complaining (which is not only so exaggerated that it's offensive, but references something that happened in the ''1960s'').

[[AC:WesternAnimation]]
* Lampshaded in an episode of WesternAnimation/AmericanDad where Stan drags Steve to his re-enactment club. Steve assumes this is another re-enactment of TheAmericanCivilWar, but it's TheVietnamWar.
-->Stan: It’s not a Civil War reenactment. Those things are for historians and people who hate blacks.
* SouthPark had the entire confederate Army of reenactors get drunk on schnapps, overrun the union, and fight, still drunk, all the way to Washington DC. This is all a plot by Cartman, of course, to win a bet.
* An episode of KingOfTheHill featured a Renaissance Fair with a StrawMisogynist as king, claiming "historical accuracy" as an excuse to treat the female performers like slaves.

[[AC:RealLife]]
* Played some role in the 2010 election for Ohio's 9th Congressional district. The Republican/Tea Party candidate, Rich Iott, was revealed to belong to a WWII reenactment group which portrays an SS division. The extent to which this affected the result was unclear, but the resulting controversy was damaging.
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[[folder:Examples]]

[[AC:{{Literature}}]]

* {{Discworld}} parodied this with the Battle of Koom Valley. The men all get prepared to symbolically refight the battle, while the women stand around looking annoyed because they can only be wenches, 'that being the only job available to them in the olden days.'.

[[AC:{{Live-Action TV}}]]
* An SNL sketch featured John C. Reilly as an actor at Colonial Williamsburg who felt attitudes about slavery in the Eighteenth century justified pushing around his black co-workers. Even in e-mails.
* A YouGoGirl episode of ''Ellen'' had the titular heroine trying to join a reenactment as a union soldier, when the only roles open to women were nurses and camp followers.
* Mark on PeepShow makes friends with Daryl who's into history as much as he is. One scene features them both at an event, dressed as German soldiers when Daryl starts making racist remarks. Marks starts joining in, thinking it's just role-play, only to discover his new friend really is a white supremacist.
* A truly terrible ''MadTV'' skit had some white people meticulously recreating the atmosphere of a 1950s diner just so they could have an excuse to harass black customers with various passive-aggressive remarks. Reaches its nadir when one of them drags out a fire hose and threatens to spray down the blacks if they don't stop complaining (which is not only so exaggerated that it's offensive, but references something that happened in the ''1960s'').

[[AC:WesternAnimation]]
* Lampshaded in an episode of WesternAnimation/AmericanDad where Stan drags Steve to his re-enactment club. Steve assumes this is another re-enactment of TheAmericanCivilWar, but it's TheVietnamWar.
-->Stan: It’s not a Civil War reenactment. Those things are for historians and people who hate blacks.
* SouthPark had the entire confederate Army of reenactors get drunk on schnapps, overrun the union, and fight, still drunk, all the way to Washington DC. This is all a plot by Cartman, of course, to win a bet.
* An episode of KingOfTheHill featured a Renaissance Fair with a StrawMisogynist as king, claiming "historical accuracy" as an excuse to treat the female performers like slaves.

[[AC:RealLife]]
* Played some role in the 2010 election for Ohio's 9th Congressional district. The Republican/Tea Party candidate, Rich Iott, was revealed to belong to a WWII reenactment group which portrays an SS division. The extent to which this affected the result was unclear, but the resulting controversy was damaging.
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[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:Literature]]
* As well as many digs at folk-music (a TakeThatMe, since Sir Pterry's a huge fan in real life), ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' includes two shots at accordianists: it's one of the tax officer's faults in ''Discworld/InterestingTimes'', and in ''Discworld/TheTruth'', William worries that if the paper names members of the Ankh-Morpork Recovering Accordian Players Society, they'll complain.

[[AC:LiveActionTV]]
* Pheobe's music in ''{{Friends}}''. Also Ross's peculiar keyboard arrangements, and his attempt to learn the bagpipes.

[[AC:Radio]]
* In the ''Hamish And Dougal'' episode "the Vampire of the Glen", there's a gag about "Count Cardula ([[{{Sting}} Dramatic Accordian Sting]]) ... the accordian player" who tortured people by playing the accordian at them.
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[[folder:Examples]]
[[AC:Literature]]
* As well as many digs at folk-music (a TakeThatMe, since Sir Pterry's a huge fan in real life), ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' includes two shots at accordianists: it's one of the tax officer's faults in ''Discworld/InterestingTimes'', and in ''Discworld/TheTruth'', William worries that if the paper names members of the Ankh-Morpork Recovering Accordian Players Society, they'll complain.

[[AC:LiveActionTV]]
* Pheobe's music in ''{{Friends}}''. Also Ross's peculiar keyboard arrangements, and his attempt to learn the bagpipes.

[[AC:Radio]]
* In the ''Hamish And Dougal'' episode "the Vampire of the Glen", there's a gag about "Count Cardula ([[{{Sting}} Dramatic Accordian Sting]]) ... the accordian player" who tortured people by playing the accordian at them.
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* {{Otaku}} in Japan. Yep. Pretty much being scorned by media (and like in ''DenshaOtoko'').
** It doesn't help that most people in Japan liken otaku with people like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Miyazaki Tsutomu Miyazaki]]...

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* {{Otaku}} in Japan. Yep. Pretty much being scorned by media (and like in ''DenshaOtoko'').
**
''DenshaOtoko''). It doesn't help that most people in Japan liken otaku with people like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Miyazaki Tsutomu Miyazaki]]...



** [[AnimationAgeGhetto And if you play a game with a rating below the one you're in (playing an E game when you're 17+) you're an]] immature ManChild, [[PeripheryDemographic completely ignoring that these games can be fun at any age]] [[AnimationAgeGhetto (similar to how a G-rated movie must be for children only).]] As with sports fanatics, sports games are given a pass.
*** Might be worth noting here that pretty much the only people playing E-Rated games these days ''are'' over 17, and even then probably only if they grew up playing them as a child. For the most part, kids these days won't touch anything not RatedMForManly. All those other games are apparently just faggy kiddy crap for ''babies''.
*** Hell on the PS3 the only E rated games left are sports games that aren't contact sports and racing games.

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** [[AnimationAgeGhetto And if If you play a game with a rating below the one you're in (playing an E game when you're 17+) you're an]] immature ManChild, [[PeripheryDemographic completely ignoring that these games can be fun at any age]] [[AnimationAgeGhetto (similar to how a G-rated movie must be for children only).]] As with sports fanatics, The only genres that are not subjected to this are sports games and racing games. Hell on the PS3 the only E rated games left are given a pass.
*** Might
sports games that aren't contact sports and racing games.\\
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It might
be worth noting here that pretty much the only people playing E-Rated games these days ''are'' over 17, and even then probably only if they grew up playing them as a child. For the most part, kids these days won't touch anything not RatedMForManly. All those other games are apparently just faggy kiddy crap for ''babies''.
*** Hell on the PS3 the only E rated games left are sports games that aren't contact sports and racing games.
''babies''.



** YaoiFanGirls: [[FanDumb Destroying every fanbase's intelligence]] since ''FinalFantasy7''.
*** Of course, [[YuriFanboy Yuri Fanboys]] [[DoubleStandard don't get the same treatment]] because, well, [[GirlOnGirlIsHot this trope]]. Look up "Rule 34" on Google Images, and you'll find that almost all outrage at the Rule 34 images is toward Male/Male and never Female/Female.
**** However, this may also be partly due to yaoi being more prominent and the fangirls being (seemingly) more vocal. Not to say the DoubleStandard is justified by this, it's just a possible reason for it.
**** Guys have a different stereotype.

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** YaoiFanGirls: [[FanDumb Destroying every fanbase's intelligence]] since ''FinalFantasy7''.
***
''FinalFantasy7''. Of course, [[YuriFanboy Yuri Fanboys]] [[DoubleStandard don't get the same treatment]] because, well, [[GirlOnGirlIsHot this trope]]. Look up "Rule 34" on Google Images, and you'll find that almost all outrage at the Rule 34 images is toward Male/Male and never Female/Female. \n**** However, this This may also be partly due to yaoi being more prominent and the fangirls being (seemingly) more vocal. Not to say the DoubleStandard is justified by this, it's just a possible reason for it.
**** Guys have a different stereotype.
it.



* [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Bronies.]] Good gravy, bronies. While most {{Periphery Demographic}}s get some weird looks(an [[DoubleStandard exception]] being [[NostalgiaFilter something from their childhood]]), bronies are often regarded with a lot more scorn than any other. They are frequently referred to as "[[ManChild creepy manchildren]] with a near unhealthy obsession with a TV show aimed at little girls, who actively try to convert you into their perverted mindset, all the while being well above the normal age demographic for such a show." While [[SilentMajority most bronies]] tend to be good-natured fellows, this view puts them squarely in this territory.
** The fact that a VocalMinority of bronies seem to be hell bent in making ''everyone'' watch the show, and dismiss anyone who doesn't like it as a {{Troll}} or FanHater doesn't help. It should be noted, though, that this is a ''very'' VocalMinority, and most level-headed bronies tend to scorn off these, since they are the ones that give the {{Fandom}} a bad reputation. Case in point, [[http://bronies.memebase.com/2012/01/27/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-brony-vader-has-a-pony-to-pick-with-you My little brony]], a site with at least 40% of their {{Image Macro}}s dedicated to elevating the fandom as much as possible.

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* [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Bronies.]] Good gravy, bronies. While most {{Periphery Demographic}}s get some weird looks(an [[DoubleStandard exception]] being [[NostalgiaFilter something from their childhood]]), bronies are often regarded with a lot more scorn than any other. They are frequently referred to as "[[ManChild creepy manchildren]] with a near unhealthy obsession with a TV show aimed at little girls, who actively try to convert you into their perverted mindset, all the while being well above the normal age demographic for such a show." While [[SilentMajority most bronies]] tend to be good-natured fellows, this view puts them squarely in this territory.
**
territory. The fact that a VocalMinority of bronies seem to be hell bent in making ''everyone'' watch the show, and dismiss anyone who doesn't like it as a {{Troll}} or FanHater doesn't help. It should be noted, though, that this is a ''very'' VocalMinority, and most level-headed bronies tend to scorn off these, since they are the ones that give the {{Fandom}} a bad reputation. Case in point, [[http://bronies.memebase.com/2012/01/27/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-brony-vader-has-a-pony-to-pick-with-you My little brony]], a site with at least 40% of their {{Image Macro}}s dedicated to elevating the fandom as much as possible.



'''People who like anything from Japan'''

Too much covered above.

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* Most if not all of ''Encyclopedia Dramatica'''s targets on people with mental illness had the unfortunate case to be a ''Franchise/{{Sonic|TheHedgehog}}'' fan.
** Ironically, a casual browse through the ED forums turns up an [[HypocriticalHumor awful lot of furry profile pictures]].

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* Most if not all of ''Encyclopedia Dramatica'''s targets on people with mental illness had the unfortunate case to be a ''Franchise/{{Sonic|TheHedgehog}}'' fan.
**
fan. Ironically, a casual browse through the ED forums turns up an [[HypocriticalHumor awful lot of furry profile pictures]].



** As explained above, AllMenArePerverts is a stereotype most people in the real world believe. Therefore any male over a certain age who spends his time doing anything but trying to get laid is either doing something that will make getting laid easier for him (such as working out or trying to make lots of money) or something that will get him ADateWithRosiePalms instead. Most fandoms get put in the latter category, except sports, which still gets a free pass.



* Just about every sports announcer has made a derogatory remark about the Cubs and, by extension, their fans. The Steve Bartman incident did not help things either. Also, many St. Louisans do this, but that's because of the strong regional rivalry between the St. Louis Cardinals (who have 11 World Series wins, the second-highest amount in MLB history) and the Chicago Cubs (who have won the World Series twice, in 1907 and 1908).

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* Just about every sports announcer has made a derogatory remark about the Cubs and, by extension, their fans. The Steve Bartman incident did not help things either. Also, many St. Louisans do this, but that's because of the strong regional rivalry between the St. Louis Cardinals (who have 11 World Series wins, the second-highest amount in MLB history) and the Chicago Cubs (who have won the World Series twice, in 1907 and 1908).\\
\\
There is a bizarre contradiction with the Cubs. Due to broadcasting on WGN and their "good guy" image, they've picked up a fanbase that's probably second to the Yankees in number. So much so, that in any state in the union, if someone likes baseball, but doesn't like the local team - if they're not a Yankees fan, they're probably a Cubs fan. However, their record/history is pretty close to the exact opposite of the Yankees.



*** And in a ''SamuraiCat'' book; titular hero Miaowara Tomokato is nodding in sympathy with two Chicago natives about how bad the Cubs are. Tomokato's a 16th-century samurai, so he has an excuse; the natives, though, are Prohibition-era types, with the World Series win in recent memory and decent chances of making it. Huh?
** There is a bizarre contradiction with the Cubs. Due to broadcasting on WGN and their "good guy" image, they've picked up a fanbase that's probably second to the Yankees in number. So much so, that in any state in the union, if someone likes baseball, but doesn't like the local team - if they're not a Yankees fan, they're probably a Cubs fan. However, their record/history is pretty close to the exact opposite of the Yankees.

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*** ** And in a ''SamuraiCat'' book; titular hero Miaowara Tomokato is nodding in sympathy with two Chicago natives about how bad the Cubs are. Tomokato's a 16th-century samurai, so he has an excuse; the natives, though, are Prohibition-era types, with the World Series win in recent memory and decent chances of making it. Huh?
** There is a bizarre contradiction with the Cubs. Due to broadcasting on WGN and their "good guy" image, they've picked up a fanbase that's probably second to the Yankees in number. So much so, that in any state in the union, if someone likes baseball, but doesn't like the local team - if they're not a Yankees fan, they're probably a Cubs fan. However, their record/history is pretty close to the exact opposite of the Yankees.
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* Fans of all of Philadelphia's sports teams tend to be depicted in a less-than-flattering light.
** But that doesn't have as much to do with the Philadelphia teams' success as it does the fans' behavior. In the 1970s, the Philadelphia Eagles' fans ''threw snowballs at Santa Claus''. On July 25, 2009, the Phillies played a home game against the St. Louis Cardinals, and a couple of fans had started flashing a laser-light in the Cardinals' batters eyes for a couple of innings--no wonder the Cards had gotten some 7 runs behind. After the game, some Phillies fans attacked a small group of people who were wearing their Cardinals jersey, and one young man was killed. Classy.
** It is in my experience that there are plenty of obnoxious fans for all sports teams. (Let's just say that having a full water bottle thrown at you by Michigan fans is no picnic).

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* Fans of all of Philadelphia's sports teams tend to be depicted in a less-than-flattering light.
** But
light, although that doesn't have as much to do with the Philadelphia teams' success as it does the fans' behavior. In the 1970s, the Philadelphia Eagles' fans ''threw snowballs at Santa Claus''. On July 25, 2009, the Phillies played a home game against the St. Louis Cardinals, and a couple of fans had started flashing a laser-light in the Cardinals' batters eyes for a couple of innings--no wonder the Cards had gotten some 7 runs behind. After the game, some Phillies fans attacked a small group of people who were wearing their Cardinals jersey, and one young man was killed. Classy.
** It is in my experience that there are plenty of obnoxious fans for all sports teams. (Let's just say that having a full water bottle thrown at you by Michigan fans is no picnic).
Classy.



* Even more so, [[BrawnHilda Female Bodybuilders]] (and, [[AssociationFallacy by proxy]], fitness and figure competitors).
** And don't try to argue that these women are instead [[AmazonianBeauty attractive]]. You're bound to be caught up in ''numerous'' {{Flame War}}s detailing [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment stereotypes about female beauty, one's sexual orientation, and a whole gamut of topics not fit to be reproduced on this page (or elsewhere, for that matter).]]

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* Even more so, [[BrawnHilda Female Bodybuilders]] (and, [[AssociationFallacy by proxy]], fitness and figure competitors).
**
competitors). And don't try to argue that these women are instead [[AmazonianBeauty attractive]]. You're bound to be caught up in ''numerous'' {{Flame War}}s detailing [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment stereotypes about female beauty, one's sexual orientation, and a whole gamut of topics not fit to be reproduced on this page (or elsewhere, for that matter).]]



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Especially stuff like ''WorldOfWarcraft'', which is the biggest target. For some reason, partly due to NewMediaAreEvil, it's seemingly perfectly acceptable to blame any addictions to online games as the fault of the game itself - whereas doing this for just about anything else (namely blaming the murder on the ''murder weapon'' and not the ''murderer'') usually results with a YouFailLogicForever and a lecture on ''why'' YouFailLogicForever. But for video games? Nope!

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Especially stuff like ''WorldOfWarcraft'', which is the biggest target. For some reason, partly due to NewMediaAreEvil, it's seemingly perfectly acceptable to blame any addictions to online games as the fault of the game itself - whereas doing this for just about anything else (namely blaming the murder on the ''murder weapon'' and not the ''murderer'') usually results with a YouFailLogicForever and a lecture on ''why'' YouFailLogicForever. But for video games? Nope!
people not taking it seriously.



* RightHandCat?
* Men who don't like dogs often get this attitude as well.
** And pity the ''boy'' who doesn't like dogs. Barring allergy, there is apparently ''no excuse'' for a boy to not like dogs.

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* RightHandCat?
RightHandCat?
* Men who don't like dogs often get this attitude as well.
well.
** And pity the ''boy'' who doesn't like dogs. Barring allergy, there is apparently ''no excuse'' for a boy to not like dogs.

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* In the [[EnglishPremierLeague EPL]], the so called "Big Four" clubs, which are Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United.

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* In the [[EnglishPremierLeague EPL]], the so called "Big Four" clubs, which are Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and especially Manchester United.United, who are stereotyped as only following them because they win regularly, while the team itself and its international following is often jokingly referred to as 'the only team with no supporters in its home city' or similar.



* In football, this is often directed at Manchester United fans, who are stereotyped as only following them because they win regularly, while the team itself and its international following is often jokingly referred to as 'the only team with no supporters in its home city' or similar.
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* {{Discworld}} parodied this with the Battle of Koom Valley. The men all get prepared to symbolically refight the battle, while the women stand around looking annoyed because they can only be wenches, 'that being the only job available to them in the olden days.'.
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* {{CSI}}, not to forget that one episode (''Fur and Loathing'') that portrayed the entire Furry community as socially awkward individuals who can't seem to get off unless they're wearing a cheap animal costumed and humping each other. Of course in fairness CSI is known for its habit of making everything overly sexualized and [[SexIsEvil wrong]].

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* {{CSI}}, ''Series/{{CSI}}'', not to forget that one episode (''Fur ("Fur and Loathing'') Loathing") that portrayed the entire Furry community as socially awkward individuals who can't seem to get off unless they're wearing a cheap animal costumed costume and humping each other. Of course in fairness CSI is known for its habit of making everything overly sexualized and [[SexIsEvil wrong]].
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** [[AnimationAgeGhetto And if you play a game with a rating below the one you're in (playing an E game when you're 17+) you're an]] [[AdultChild immature]] ManChild, [[PeripheryDemographic completely ignoring that these games can be fun at any age]] [[AnimationAgeGhetto (similar to how a G-rated movie must be for children only).]] As with sports fanatics, sports games are given a pass.

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** [[AnimationAgeGhetto And if you play a game with a rating below the one you're in (playing an E game when you're 17+) you're an]] [[AdultChild immature]] immature ManChild, [[PeripheryDemographic completely ignoring that these games can be fun at any age]] [[AnimationAgeGhetto (similar to how a G-rated movie must be for children only).]] As with sports fanatics, sports games are given a pass.
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**** Guys have a different stereotype.

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