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* CowTools: The toolroom "IQ" test used on the Motie ambassador ship, to determine the technical abilities of the humans they were visiting.
** Some of the humans think it's an IQ test, but Motie culture is ''different''. Their initial interpretation of the results is that the engineer, who does pretty well on the tool test, is an idiot savant and not worth communicating with, since in their culture the Mediators (who do all the talking) are completely uninterested in such things. All the humans who "failed" the test get a dedicated fyunch(click) (think personal translator); the engineer doesn't get one until after the Moties learn enough English to find out humans don't specialize to the same extent, and it later develops that the engineer's fyunch(click) has been slowly going insane (by Motie standards) since the engineer keeps talking to her about ''technical'' things.

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* CowTools: The toolroom "IQ" test used on the Motie ambassador ship, to determine the technical abilities of the humans they were visiting.
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Some of the humans think it's an IQ test, but Motie culture is ''different''. Their initial interpretation of the results is that the engineer, who does pretty well on the tool test, is an idiot savant and not worth communicating with, since in their culture the Mediators (who do all the talking) are completely uninterested in such things. All the humans who "failed" the test get a dedicated fyunch(click) (think personal translator); the engineer doesn't get one until after the Moties learn enough English to find out humans don't specialize to the same extent, and it later develops that the engineer's fyunch(click) has been slowly going insane (by Motie standards) since the engineer keeps talking to her about ''technical'' things.
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** Also in the first book, one Mediator shocks the others by [[spoiler:killing her Fyuck(click)]]. It is clear to the reader, however, that she realized that he faced a SadisticChoice, and identified him with so thoroughly that she shared the dilemma and took this as the third option [[spoiler: between suicide and risking the human race by capture]].

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** Also in the first book, one Mediator shocks the others by [[spoiler:killing her Fyuck(click)]].Fyunch(click)]]. It is clear to the reader, however, that she realized that he faced a SadisticChoice, and identified him with so thoroughly that she shared the dilemma and took this as the third option [[spoiler: between suicide and risking the human race by capture]].
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** "Come, I will conceal nothing from you". Renner (and Renner's fyunch(click!) make a point of complete candor... even though, perhaps because it puts other humans off-balance.

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** "Come, I will conceal nothing from you". Renner (and Renner's fyunch(click!) fyunch(click!)) make a point of complete candor... even though, perhaps because it puts other humans off-balance.
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* LivingMuseumExhibit: The Moties let some humans visit their museum. Not only have they replicated entire habitats in the museum, but the museum also contains non-sapient Moties. It's hinted at as to what their purpose is, [[spoiler:as they are called Meats]].
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* WithDueRespect: The ''correct'' way to contradict a Senator is to say "That turns out not to be the case."

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* WithDueRespect: The ''correct'' way to contradict a Senator VIP is to say "That turns out not to be the case."" Kevin Renner acknowledges the cleverness of what he ''should'' have done the first time it comes up, then uses it the second time to keep from causing an incident.
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* ColonyDrop: the Moties got this one covered by virtue of there being no fissionables left in their star system. Luckily, there were plenty of asteroids around, until they were moved further out in the system to prevent further use as bombardment tools.

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* ColonyDrop: the The Moties got this one covered by virtue of there being no fissionables left in their star system. Luckily, there were plenty Ancient excessive use of asteroids around, until they wiped out the species on the planet, which required recolonization. All the remaining asteroids and comets were moved further out in the system into circular orbits to prevent further use as bombardment tools.tools, a feat requiring staggering levels of fuel.

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* ArcWords: "Come, I will conceal nothing from you". Renner (and Renner's fyunch(click!) make a point of complete candor... even though, perhaps because it puts other humans off-balance.

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"Come, I will conceal nothing from you". Renner (and Renner's fyunch(click!) make a point of complete candor... even though, perhaps because it puts other humans off-balance.



* AristocratsAreEvil: Subverted in ''Mote'', in which [[TheGoodCaptain Captain Blaine]] is a nobleman (heir-apparent to a Marquis), and is a decent guy. WordOfGod is that ''Mote'' is set in a time when the Empire is in a dynamic, expansionist phase, with the aristocrats generally more concerned with duties than privileges. By the time of ''Hand'', there are references that may indicate that the reverse is gradually becoming true, and the Empire is starting to exhibit signs of decadence (at least on the capital world). Blaine himself is still a decent guy, though.
** The Motie Masters, on the other hand (sorry!), seem almost entirely motivated by self-interest.

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* AristocratsAreEvil: AristocratsAreEvil:
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Subverted in ''Mote'', in which [[TheGoodCaptain Captain Blaine]] is a nobleman (heir-apparent to a Marquis), and is a decent guy. WordOfGod is that ''Mote'' is set in a time when the Empire is in a dynamic, expansionist phase, with the aristocrats generally more concerned with duties than privileges. By the time of ''Hand'', there are references that may indicate that the reverse is gradually becoming true, and the Empire is starting to exhibit signs of decadence (at least on the capital world). Blaine himself is still a decent guy, though.
** The Motie Masters, on the other hand (sorry!), alternately, seem almost entirely motivated by self-interest.

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* ArcWords: "Come, I will conceal nothing from you". Renner (and Renner's fyunch(click!) make a point of complete candor... even when it puts other humans off-balance.

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* ArcWords: "Come, I will conceal nothing from you". Renner (and Renner's fyunch(click!) make a point of complete candor... even when though, perhaps because it puts other humans off-balance.off-balance.
** "I can't read your mind." Bury's fyunch(click!), continual trying to reassure him.. And achieving just the opposite.



** The Motie Masters, on the other hand (sorry!), seem almost entirely motivated by self-interest.



* ExplosiveBreeder: [[spoiler:Every species of Motie - except the Mediators and Keepers (Mediators are sterile physically-female mules; Keepers are sterile males)]]. It's at one point explicitly stated that the only method of contraception available for them is infanticide.

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* ExplosiveBreeder: [[spoiler:Every species of Motie - except the Mediators and Keepers (Mediators are sterile physically-female mules; Keepers are sterile sterilized males)]]. It's at one point explicitly stated that the only method of contraception available for them is infanticide.
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* ArcWords: "Come, I will conceal nothing from you". Renner (and Renner's fyunch(click!) make a point of complete candor... even when it puts other humans off-balance.
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''The Mote in God's Eye'', by Creator/LarryNiven and Jerry Pournelle, is a science fiction novel that was first published in 1974. The story is set in the distant future of Pournelle's ''Literature/{{CoDominium}}'' universe, and charts the FirstContact between humankind and an alien species. The title of the novel is a wordplay on Luke 6:41-42 and Matthew 7:3-5. ''The Mote in God's Eye'' was nominated for the Hugo, Nebula and Locus Awards in 1975.

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''The Mote in God's Eye'', by Creator/LarryNiven and Jerry Pournelle, Creator/JerryPournelle, is a science fiction novel that was first published in 1974. The story is set in the distant future of Pournelle's ''Literature/{{CoDominium}}'' universe, and charts the FirstContact between humankind and an alien species. The title of the novel is a wordplay on Luke 6:41-42 and Matthew 7:3-5. ''The Mote in God's Eye'' was nominated for the Hugo, Nebula and Locus Awards in 1975.
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* EmbarrassingFirstName: Horace Bury is not pleased with his first name, and devoted time, trouble and money to locating the Navy officer who suggested it to his father. Suffice it to say that the Navy officer does not enjoy the last laugh.

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* BizarreAlienPsychology: {{Inverted|Trope}}. Motie mediators assigned to human emissaries go mad trying to comprehend how they act.
** In particular, the Mediator assigned to Captain Blaine goes mad, unable to comprehend the chain of command, and how one being both gave and responded to orders.

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* BizarreAlienPsychology: {{Inverted|Trope}}. Motie mediators assigned to human emissaries go mad trying to comprehend how they act.
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act. In particular, one example involving a main character, the Mediator assigned to Captain Blaine goes mad, unable to comprehend the chain of command, and how one being both gave and responded to orders.



* CasualInterstellarTravel: Due to the Alderson Drive, it only takes the blink of an eye to travel between star systems. However, the trip is only possible along certain "[[HyperspaceLanes tramways]]" ending near a star, and ships spend days or weeks travelling interplanetary distances getting from one endpoint to the other, or to the target planet.

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* CasualInterstellarTravel: Due to the Alderson Drive, it only takes the blink of an eye to travel between star systems. However, the trip is only possible along certain "[[HyperspaceLanes tramways]]" ending near a star, and ships spend days or weeks travelling traveling interplanetary distances getting from one endpoint to the other, or to the target planet.



* DecadeDissonance: ''The Mote in God's Eye'' features the INSS ''Lenin'', a massive battleship with a reputation of being a nigh-invincible mobile DepopulationBomb (see immediately below). In the sequel, ''The Gripping Hand,'' 25 years later, the main character tools around in an aircraft described as if it was found and restored from the Alaskan bush.

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* DecadeDissonance: ''The Mote in God's Eye'' features the INSS ''Lenin'', a massive battleship with a reputation of being a nigh-invincible mobile DepopulationBomb (see immediately below).DepopulationBomb. In the sequel, ''The Gripping Hand,'' 25 years later, the main character tools around in an aircraft described as if it was found and restored from the Alaskan bush.



* ExplosiveBreeder: [[spoiler:Every species of Motie - except the Mediators and Keepers (Mediators are sterile physically-female mules; Keepers are sterile males)]].
** It's at one point explicitly stated that the only method of contraception available for [[spoiler: Moties]] is infanticide.

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* ExplosiveBreeder: [[spoiler:Every species of Motie - except the Mediators and Keepers (Mediators are sterile physically-female mules; Keepers are sterile males)]].
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males)]]. It's at one point explicitly stated that the only method of contraception available for [[spoiler: Moties]] them is infanticide.



--> '''Jack Cargill:''' Will you stop talking like that? You talk just like everyone else when you get angry!
--> '''Jock Sinclair:''' [[OohMeAccentsSlipping THAT'S A DAMNED LIE!]]

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--> '''Jack Cargill:''' Will you stop talking like that? You talk just like everyone else when you get angry!
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* NuclearWeaponsTaboo:
** The Moties don't have nukes, though not by choice, as their system has run out of fissionables. Not to worry though, [[ColonyDrop they found something just as good as nukes.]]
** Subverted in the sequel, in that when several thermonuclear devices are used [[spoiler:by Bury, who brought them "just in case"]] in trying to contain the Moties who have recently gained a new means out of their system, they're quite shocked/impressed with its capabilities.
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* BizarreAlienBiology: Moties have an asymmetrical anatomy, and their reproductive system differs greatly from most terran species. [[spoiler: All Moties of all types are born male. After a while, they change genders and become female (except the Keepers). If they don't get pregnant and give birth, they die. If they do get pregnant and give birth, they become male again. This cycle repeats - no one's quite sure how old a Motie can get if they keep with the cycle.]]

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* BizarreAlienBiology: Moties have an asymmetrical anatomy, and their reproductive system differs greatly from most terran Terran species. [[spoiler: All Moties of all types are born male. After a while, they change genders and become female (except the Keepers). If they don't get pregnant and give birth, they die. If they do get pregnant and give birth, they become male again. This cycle repeats - no one's quite sure how old a Motie can get if they keep with the cycle.]]
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* LaResistance: In ''The Gripping Hand'', the "Medina Traders" are effectively the LaResistance against the much larger "Khanate". There's also passing mention of a potential Mormon uprising in human space, towards the beginning of the book.

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* LaResistance: In ''The Gripping Hand'', the "Medina Traders" are effectively the LaResistance against the much larger "Khanate". There's also passing mention of a potential Averted with the Mormon uprising colony in human space, towards the beginning start of the book.book, who are quite concerned with how the Empire handles traitors. They go to ridiculous lengths to keep from appearing as adversaries to the Empire.
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* DepopulationBomb: Admiral Kutuzov has a certain reputation for this one, given his involvement in quelling a budding rebelion in a rather terminal manner for the local populace.

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* DepopulationBomb: Admiral Kutuzov has a certain reputation for this one, as a world-killer, given his past involvement in quelling a budding rebelion rebellion in a rather terminal manner for the local populace.populace. It's not as if he's a murderer who enjoys the work, however. It's simply understood that since he's done it before, if the Empire orders him to wipe out the Motie planet, he WILL.
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* EnemyMine: At the end of the first book, it is clear that human unity is greatly aided by the danger from the Moties.


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* SpeciesLoyalty: Humans join the defense against the Moties for this.


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** Also in the first book, one Mediator shocks the others by [[spoiler:killing her Fyuck(click)]]. It is clear to the reader, however, that she realized that he faced a SadisticChoice, and identified him with so thoroughly that she shared the dilemma and took this as the third option [[spoiler: between suicide and risking the human race by capture]].
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* SpareToTheThrone: Commander Roderick Blaine was the second oldest son in a noble family, who wanted nothing more than a Navy career and the chance to become Grand Admiral someday. His older brother George was in line to inherit the estates and title when their father retired but was killed in battle, leaving Rod as the heir. He is also related to the Imperial family, not too far down the line of succession.

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* SpareToTheThrone: Commander Roderick Blaine was the second oldest son in a noble family, who wanted nothing more than a Navy career and the chance to become Grand Admiral someday. His older brother George was in line to inherit the estates and title when their father retired retired, but George was killed in battle, leaving Rod as the heir. He is also related to the Imperial family, not too far down the line of succession.
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''The Mote in God's Eye'', by Creator/LarryNiven and Creator/JerryPournelle, is a science fiction novel that was first published in 1974. The story is set in the distant future of Pournelle's ''Literature/{{CoDominium}}'' universe, and charts the FirstContact between humankind and an alien species. The title of the novel is a wordplay on Luke 6:41-42 and Matthew 7:3-5. ''The Mote in God's Eye'' was nominated for the Hugo, Nebula and Locus Awards in 1975.

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''The Mote in God's Eye'', by Creator/LarryNiven and Creator/JerryPournelle, Jerry Pournelle, is a science fiction novel that was first published in 1974. The story is set in the distant future of Pournelle's ''Literature/{{CoDominium}}'' universe, and charts the FirstContact between humankind and an alien species. The title of the novel is a wordplay on Luke 6:41-42 and Matthew 7:3-5. ''The Mote in God's Eye'' was nominated for the Hugo, Nebula and Locus Awards in 1975.

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* AbsentmindedProfessor: Dr. Buckman in ''The Mote in God's Eye'' and ''The Gripping Hand''. Not a terribly important character, but an excellent example.

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* AbsentmindedProfessor: Dr. Buckman in ''The Mote in God's Eye'' and ''The Gripping Hand''. Not a terribly important character, but an excellent example.example -- he spends his life living in his own little bubble, blissfully ignorant and uncaring of the goings-on unrelated to his passion of astrophysics.


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* FantasticReligiousWeirdness: One of the questions that Chaplain Hardy concerns himself with is whether or not Moties have souls and can thus be opened to missionary activity.
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* HumansThroughAlienEyes: We are as strange to the Moties as they are to us, perhaps more so. They don't regard humanity with fear, exactly, but they are confused by our biology and culture. Motie diplomats are trained to think exactly like the person they are negotiating with. Diplomats who think too much like humans are regarded as having gone [[HumansAreInsane insane]] - see above.

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* HumansThroughAlienEyes: We are as strange to the Moties as they are to us, perhaps more so. They don't regard humanity with fear, exactly, but they are confused by our biology and culture. Motie diplomats are trained to think exactly like the person they are negotiating with. Diplomats who think too much like humans are regarded as having gone [[HumansAreInsane insane]] - see above.insane]].
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* SpareToTheThrone: Commander Roderick Blaine was the second oldest son in a noble family, who wanted nothing more than a Navy career and the chance to become Grand Admiral someday. His older brother George was in line to inherit the estates and title when their father retired but was killed in battle, leaving Rod as the heir.

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* SpareToTheThrone: Commander Roderick Blaine was the second oldest son in a noble family, who wanted nothing more than a Navy career and the chance to become Grand Admiral someday. His older brother George was in line to inherit the estates and title when their father retired but was killed in battle, leaving Rod as the heir. He is also related to the Imperial family, not too far down the line of succession.
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* BizarreAlienPsychology: {{Inverted|Trope}}. Motie mediators assigned to human emissaries go mad trying to comprehend how they act.
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It is the sequel that has the alternative title.


* MarketBasedTitle: ''The Moat Around Murcheson's Eye'' in the United Kingdom and some other countries.

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* MarketBasedTitle: "The Gripping Hand" is titled ''The Moat Around Murcheson's Eye'' in the United Kingdom and some other countries.
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* PromotionNotPunishment: Commander Blaine gets one of these at the beginning of the book for leading his [[SpaceMarine marines]] in a coup de main against a rebellious planet's [[DeflectorShields shield generator]]. If he had failed the admiral would have had no choice other than orbital bombardment, killing most of the population and dooming what remained to a slow death by starvation. In the end, Blaine's action was successful, so he was promoted and given command of a battlecruiser
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** Some of the humans think it's an IQ test. Motie culture is ''different''. Their initial interpretation of the results is that the ship's engineer, who does pretty well on the tool test, is an idiot savant and not worth communicating with, since in their culture the Mediators (who do all the talking) are completely uninterested in such things.

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** Some of the humans think it's an IQ test. test, but Motie culture is ''different''. Their initial interpretation of the results is that the ship's engineer, who does pretty well on the tool test, is an idiot savant and not worth communicating with, since in their culture the Mediators (who do all the talking) are completely uninterested in such things. All the humans who "failed" the test get a dedicated fyunch(click) (think personal translator); the engineer doesn't get one until after the Moties learn enough English to find out humans don't specialize to the same extent, and it later develops that the engineer's fyunch(click) has been slowly going insane (by Motie standards) since the engineer keeps talking to her about ''technical'' things.
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** Some of the humans think it's an IQ test. Motie culture is ''different''. Their initial interpretation of the results is that the ship's engineer, who does pretty well on the tool test, is an idiot savant and not worth communicating with, since in their culture the Mediators (who do all the talking) are completely uninterested in such things.
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** It's at one point explicitly stated that the only method of contraception available for [[spoiler: Moties]] is infanticide.
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* BoardingPod: After the Imperial battlecruiser ''[=MacArthur=]'' is taken over by Motie miniatures, the battleship ''Lenin's'' cutter is used to get a boarding party onto the ''[=MacArthur=]'' by ramming through its Langston Field and into the ship.

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** The Runner, Farmer and Engineer castes on Mote Prime. Engineers in particular are pretty much treated like portable autopilots. [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] in that the Moties bomb themselves back to the Stone Age every five generations or so, are aware of the fact, and keep the old methods around as preparation for the next time.
*** Also, there is the very true point that, for the Motie civilization, they will never, ever, ''ever'' find themselves facing a shortage of laborers. Automating things just deprives Moties of something that they could be doing. Therefore, it rarely would occur to them to just give the job to a machine.

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** The Runner, Farmer and Engineer castes on Mote Prime. Engineers in particular are pretty much treated like portable autopilots. [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] in that the Moties bomb themselves back to the Stone Age every five generations or so, are aware of the fact, and keep the old methods around as preparation for the next time.
*** Also, there is the very true point that, for the Motie civilization, they will never, ever, ''ever'' find themselves facing
time. Their high breeding rates further discourage automation, as a shortage of laborers. Automating things just deprives Moties of something that they could be doing. Therefore, it rarely would occur to them to just give the job to done by a machine. machine is one not done by a Motie.

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