History JerkassHasAPoint / DragonBall

* While [[FallenAngel Zamasu]] is a KnightTemplar with [[KillEmAll murderous ambitions]], his [[HumansAreFlawed overall]] [[HumanityIsInsane view]] [[HumansAreBastards regarding]] [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters mortals]] is not entirely unfounded. [[GalacticConquerer Frieza's family]], [[BitchInSheepsClothing Frost]] and the [[BloodKnight Saiyans]] were planet brokers who [[WarForFunAndProfit committed war crimes to make money and for shits and giggles]]; [[GeneralRipper Commander Red]] had the [[ArmiesAreEvil Red Ribbon Army]] seek out the [[MakeAWish Dragon Balls]] [[TheNapoleon just to gain extra height]]; [[MadScientist Dr. Gero]] used his great mind to produce [[KillerRobot deadly androids]], two of whom literally ''[[ImAHumanitarian ate living beings]]'' [[EvilIsPetty to settle a grudge with Goku]]; and [[EvilSorcerer Bibidi and Babidi]] unleashed [[EldritchAbomination Majin Buu]] on Universe 7, causing the deaths of nearly all the resident [[GodIsGood Kais]] and billions of innocents. Zamasu's FatalFlaw however, is his [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity inability to see that not all mortals are]] [[AlwaysChaoticEvil evil by nature]].

* [[ControlFreak Aeos]], [[HerosEvilPredecessor previous Supreme Kai of Time]] before [[LittleMissBadass Chronoa]] plans on [[RetGone erasing all versions of history but the official one]]. Given every [[TimeyWimeyBall time-related disaster]] that's occurred before, she's not too far off.

* While [[FallenAngel Zamasu]] is a KnightTemplar with [[KillEmAll murderous ambitions]], his [[HumansAreFlawed overall]] [[HumanityIsInsane view of]] [[HumansAreBastards mortals]] is not entirely unfounded. [[GalacticConquerer Frieza's family]], [[BitchInSheepsClothing Frost]] and the [[BloodKnight Saiyans]] were planet brokers who [[WarForFunAndProfit committed war crimes to make money and for shits and giggles]]; [[GeneralRipper Commander Red]] had the [[ArmiesAreEvil Red Ribbon Army]] seek out the [[MakeAWish Dragon Balls]] [[TheNapoleon just to gain extra height]]; [[MadScientist Dr. Gero]] used his great mind to produce [[KillerRobot deadly androids]], two of whom literally ''[[ImAHumanitarian ate living beings]]'' [[EvilIsPetty to settle a grudge with Goku]]; and [[EvilSorcerer Bibidi and Babidi]] unleashed [[EldritchAbomination Majin Buu]] on Universe 7, causing the deaths of nearly all the resident [[GodIsGood Kais]] and billions of innocents. Zamasu's FatalFlaw however, is his [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity inability to see that not all mortals are]] [[AlwaysChaoticEvil evil by nature]].

* When Gohan wants to learn martial arts from his father instead of [[SinkOrSwimMentor Piccolo]], he states Goku is too soft-hearted to be effective. These concerns prove to be [[Justified Trope justified]] when they go into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and Goku initially holds back for fear of hurting his son.

** He also ''strongly'' objects to reviving Frieza to participate in the [[AbsurdlyHighStakesGame Tournament of Power]] on the grounds that he's uncontrollable and can't be trusted. [[spoiler:He's proven right by [[TokenEvilTeammate Frieza]]'s internal monologue to become a being to replace Zeno, though ironically enough he ends up being key to the victory of their team and doesn't actually betray them.]]

* In [[Anime/DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan the eighth movie]], [[TheHighKing King Vegeta]] decides to execute the newborn [[TitleCharacter Broly]], viewing him as [[EnfantTerrible a threat]] to due to his PowerLevel of 10,000. Considering how AxCrazy Broly became as an adult coupled with [[BewareTheSuperman his incredible power]], these fears had merit.
* In ''[[Anime/DragonBallPlanToEradicateTheSaiyans Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans]]'', [[ThePowerOfHate Hatchiyack]] and his creator [[BackFromTheDead Dr. Lychee]] want {{revenge}} on the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Saiyans]] for exterminating the former's {{precursors}} and the latter's race the [[SufficientlyAdvancedAliens Tuffles]] when they took over [[DoomedHometown Planet Plant]] and had it [[{{Egopolis}} renamed in honor of King Vegeta]]. Unfortunately for the universe, the Saiyans were ironically all but wiped out themselves by [[EvilOverlord Frieza]]. [[RevengeBeforeReason Hatchiyack still carried out Lychee's plan anyway]], and Lychee's claims [[AllTakeAndNoGive the Tuffles were taken advantage of]] [[UnreliableNarrator might not be entirely true]].

** Vegeta becomes angry when Goku played around with [[EvilTwin Goku Black]] instead of instantly killing him when he had the chance. This gave Black the opportunity to study Goku's fighting style and destroy Future Trunks' TimeMachine, giving him the chance to become more powerful to the point he could challenge Goku and Vegeta in their [[PhysicalGod Super Saiyan Blue forms]]. Also, if Cell's version of the older Trunks' machine hadn't been in Bulma's stash there would have been no way to go to the future to save it again in the first place. His reasoning was mostly because [[PapaWolf he wanted to destroy Goku Black for hurting Future Trunks]] and [[AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther killing Future Bulma]], but he gets even angrier about it after these events vindicate him.
** When Future Trunks, having seen the strength of Super Saiyan Blue, is prepared to just kick back and let Goku and Vegeta handle Goku Black, Vegeta lifts him up by the collar and furiously chews him out on his [[WeHaveBecomeComplacent complacency]], remarking that Black most likely won't be the only threat to his time that comes his way and he should ''always'' train to surpass his limits no matter the situation; considering how often threats to Earth have come (Majin Buu, Beerus, Frieza, etc.) and all of the Z-Fighters barring Goku and Vegeta himself have been helpless against them due to no proper training he's clearly [[TaughtByExperience speaking from experience]]. While [[MamaBear Bulma]] calls Vegeta out on his harshness considering Trunks' recent TraumaCongaLine, Goku insists it's "[[BlueAndOrangeMorality how Saiyans work]]"; Trunks himself quickly takes Vegeta's words to heart, resolving to constantly train and grow stronger.
** He also ''strongly'' objects to reviving Frieza to participate in the [[AbsurdlyHighStakesGame Tournament of Power]] on the grounds that he's uncontrollable and can't be trusted. [[spoiler:He's proven right by Frieza's internal monologue to become a being to replace Zeno, though ironically enough, Frieza ends up being key to the victory of their team and doesn't ever betray them, so he ended up being wrong.]]
** Come ''Anime/DragonBallSuperBroly'', Goku naively believes that since [[spoiler:Frieza helped them during the Tournament of Power this means he'll no longer be evil and is now their friend. Vegeta calls him out on that and openly calls him an idiot, telling Goku point-blank that Frieza will ''never'' change and still try to kill them; he's proven right when Frieza comes to Earth and sics Broly on them.]]

** At the end of the Future Trunks Saga, he coldly tells Gowasu to choose his apprentices more carefully. Considering the fact that Gowasu proved to be a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter in regards to [[MisanthropeSupreme Zamasu]] and failed to notice his growing darkness until it was (almost) too late and also [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom told him about the Time Rings and Super Dragon Balls]], both of which proved crucial to Zamasu's plans he's not wrong. Though in defense of Gowasu, we actually get to see Zamasu before becoming a Supreme Kai and [[UsedToBeASweetKid he was actually kind and humble back then]].
* When Goku fights [[SavageWolves Bergamo]] during the preliminary tournament, the latter manipulates the gods into making Goku the bad guy and tries to get Zeno's favor by having the universes be spared if he beats the former. Right after being defeated, Bergamo calls Goku out on whether or not he cares for the state of the universes considering they are going to be erased when they lose. While Bergamo is underhanded and said it in the middle of a SoreLoser speech, he's got a good point about Goku, especially considering the latter is completely nonchalant about it, even challenging the other gods to come at him.

* In ''Super: Broly'', [[AdaptationalNiceGuy King Vegeta]] banishes [[TitleCharacter Broly]] to [[DeathWorld Planet Vampa]] after seeing how freakishly powerful he is as a child. While [[CoolOldGuy Paragus]] called him out on this and believed the King only did so out of [[GreenEyedMonster jealousy that his son's power could surpass the prince]], King Vegeta's stated reason was that Broly's potential could [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity drive him mad]] and [[FromBadToWorse make him a threat both to himself and everyone around him]]. Paragus himself seems to realize the King may have been right once Broly's battle on Earth turns him into a [[UnstoppableRage rage-fueled]] [[TheBerserker Berserker]] and [[ApocalypseHow potential universal threat]].

* [[GravityMaster Hearts]] wants to [[KillTheGod eliminate all the deities]], especially [[TopGod the Omni-King Zeno]]. After witnessing everything wrong with the CelestialBureaucracy in ''Super'', it's understandable why he would desire such a thing despite his [[ItsAllAboutMe selfishness]].
* [[ControlFreak Aeos]], [[HerosEvilPredecessor previous Supreme Kai of Time]] before [[LittleMissBadass Chronoa]] plans on [[RetGone erasing every version of history]] but the official one. Given every [[TimeyWimeyBall time-related disaster]] that's occurred before, she's not too far off.

* During his fight with the thuggish [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Giran]], Goku saves himself from a RingOut by calling for his Flying Nimbus. When Giran calls foul, the referee acknowledges he has legitimate reason to protest and talks to some higher-ups offscreen. He comes back and says that while Goku's still allowed to compete since his move wasn't illegal ''at the time'', [[ObviousRulePatch there's now a rule against it]] so he'll be disqualified if he tries it again.

* [[FatBastard Yajirobe]] has a moment of this after a fight against Vegeta, calling out [[EducationMama Chi-Chi]] for focusing entirely on [[MyBelovedSmother Gohan]], who was merely unconscious while ignoring [[ParentingTheHusband Goku]], who didn't have a single unbroken bone in his body.

** Although Vegeta was harsh with Gohan about getting weaker and how his fight with [[MaouTheDemonKing Dabura]] was disappointing, he made a good point: Gohan was struggling against a foe that, seven years ago he wouldn't have had such a problem with, and it was in their interest to beat such enemies as quickly and efficiently as possible. In fact, Vegeta's arrogance notwithstanding, it's highly probable he could have defeated Dabura with relative ease had he been the one to fight instead.
** When Vegeta learns about Goku's [[AwesomeButImpractical Super Saiyan 3]] transformation, he immediately blows up at Goku for not using it in their earlier fight. Though it's clear Vegeta's really just angry Goku was holding back against him, he makes a pretty good point that Goku could have ended it at any time and simply chose not to (something that directly led to [[EldritchAbomination Majin Buu]]'s release). Goku's only defense is that he wanted to save it for an emergency, which Vegeta calls out as unconvincing at best.
** Vegeta gets another one when he [[WhatTheHellHero calls out Goku for leaving his children to die]] while [[EarthShatteringKaboom Kid Buu blows up Earth]] [[YouHaveGotToBeKiddingMe and choosing to rescue Mr. Satan, Bee and Dende instead]]. During the entire exchange, Goku has ''nothing'' to say in his own defense. Of course, Dende, Mr. Satan and Bee proved instrumental to Buu's defeat but no one could have known at the time.
* When Gohan wants to learn martial arts from his father instead of [[SinkOrSwimMentor Piccolo]], he states Goku is too soft-hearted to be effective. These concerns prove to be {{justified}} when they go into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and Goku initially holds back for fear of hurting his son.
* In [[Anime/DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan the eighth movie]], [[TheHighKing King Vegeta]] decided to execute the newborn [[TitleCharacter Broly]], viewing him as [[EnfantTerrible a threat]] to due to his PowerLevel of 10,000. Considering how AxCrazy Broly became as an adult coupled with [[BewareTheSuperman his incredible power]], these fears had merit.

* While [[FallenAngel Zamasu]] is a KnightTemplar with [[KillEmAll murderous ambitions]], his [[HumansAreFlawed overall]] [[HumanityIsInsane view of]] [[HumansAreBastards mortals]] is not entirely unfounded. [[GalacticConquerer Frieza's family]], [[BitchInSheepsClothing Frost]] and the [[BloodKnight Saiyans]] were planet brokers who committed war crimes such as [[FinalSolution genocide]] [[WarForFunAndProfit to make money and for shits and giggles]]; [[GeneralRipper Commander Red]] had the [[ArmiesAreEvil Red Ribbon Army]] seek out the [[MakeAWish Dragon Balls]] just to [[TheNapoleon gain extra height]]; [[MadScientist Dr. Gero]] used his great mind to create [[KillerRobot deadly androids]], two of whom literally ''[[ImAHumanitarian ate living beings]]'' [[EvilIsPetty to settle a grudge with Goku]]; and [[EvilSorcerer Bibidi and Babidi]] unleashed [[EldritchAbomination Majin Buu]] on Universe 7, causing the deaths of nearly all the resident [[GodIsGood Kais]] and billions of innocents. Zamasu's FatalFlaw however, is his [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity inability to see that not all mortals are]] [[AlwaysChaoticEvil evil by nature]].
** His assessment of the Universe 10 Barbarians proves sound; his master [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter Gowasu]] [[AdviceBackfire brought him there to demonstrate that mortals weren't inherently evil and capable of maturation, yet even after a thousand years there was no moral growth to observe in the species]].

* [[BigFun Yajirobe]] has a moment of this after a fight against Vegeta, calling out [[EducationMama Chi-Chi]] for focusing entirely on [[MyBelovedSmother Gohan]], who was merely unconscious while ignoring [[ManChild Goku]], who didn't have a single unbroken bone in his body.

* [[CombatPragmatist Vegeta]] would continue to provide more than a few good points or reasons:
** His killing Burter and Recoome of the [[QuirkyMinibossSquad Ginyu Force]] [[KickThemWhileTheyAreDown after their defeats]]. [[IdiotHero Goku]] states Vegeta was being cruel but he retorts [[AssholeVictim it was deserved]], especially since [[ParentalNeglect Gohan]] and [[ButtMonkey Krillin]] were on the verge of death and [[PayEvilUntoEvil they had killed countless people under Frieza's orders]]. While Goku states having a little compassion isn't a disadvantage, sparing any members of the Ginyu Force would have caused far more harm than good. This is further emphasized later on when Goku [[TheFarmerAndTheViper unhesitatingly spares]] their even more {{sadist}}ic leader [[TheSociopath Frieza]]'s life at least twice -- [[DontYouDarePityMe which only prompts Frieza]] [[UngratefulBastard to try to stab Goku in the back both times]].

** Vegeta gets another one when he [[WhatTheHellHero calls out Goku for leaving his children to die]] while [[EarthShatteringKaboom Kid Buu blows up Earth]] and [[YouHaveGotToBeKiddingMe choosing to rescue Mr. Satan, Bee and Dende]] instead. During the entire exchange, Goku has ''nothing'' to say in his own defense. Of course, Dende, Mr. Satan and Bee proved instrumental to Buu's defeat but no one could have known at the time.
* When Gohan wants to learn martial arts from his father instead of [[SinkOrSwimMentor Piccolo]], he states Goku is too soft-hearted to be effective. These concerns prove to be justified when they go into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and Goku initially holds back for fear of hurting his son.
* In the [[Anime/DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan eighth movie]], [[TheHighKing King Vegeta]] decided to execute the newborn Broly, viewing him as [[EnfantTerrible a threat]] to due to his PowerLevel of 10,000. Considering how AxCrazy Broly became as an adult coupled with [[BewareTheSuperman his incredible power]], these fears had merit.

* While [[FallenAngel Zamasu]] is a KnightTemplar with [[KillEmAll murderous ambitions]], his [[HumansAreFlawed overall view]] [[HumansAreBastards on mortals]] is not entirely unfounded. [[GalacticConquerer Frieza's family]], [[BitchInSheepsClothing Frost]] and the [[BloodKnight Saiyans]] were planet brokers who committed war crimes such as [[FinalSolution genocide]] [[WarForFunAndProfit to make money and for shits and giggles]]; [[GeneralRipper Commander Red]] sought the [[MakeAWish Dragon Balls]] just to [[TheNapoleon gain extra height]]; [[MadScientist Dr. Gero]] used his great mind to create [[KillerRobot deadly androids]], two of whom literally ''[[ImAHumanitarian ate living beings]]'' [[EvilIsPetty to settle a grudge with Goku]]; and [[EvilSorcerer Bibidi and Babidi]] unleashed [[EldritchAbomination Majin Buu]] on Universe 7, causing the deaths of nearly all the resident [[GodIsGood Kais]] and billions of innocents. Zamasu's FatalFlaw however, is his [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity inability]] to see that not all mortals are [[AlwaysChaoticEvil evil by nature]].

** At the end of the Future Trunks Saga, he coldly tells Gowasu to choose his apprentices more carefully. Considering the fact that Gowasu proved to be a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter in regards to [[MisanthropeSupreme Zamasu]] and failed to notice his growing darkness until it was (almost) too late and also [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom told him about the Time Rings and Super Dragon Balls]], both of which proved crucial to Zamasu's plans, he's not wrong. Though in defense of Gowasu, we actually get to see Zamasu before becoming a Supreme Kai and [[UsedToBeASweetKid he was actually kind and humble back then]].

* In ''Super: Broly'', [[AdaptationalNiceGuy King Vegeta]] banishes [[TitleCharacter Broly]] to [[DeathWorld Planet Vampa]] after seeing how freakishly powerful he is as a child. While Paragus called him out on this and believed the King only did so out of [[GreenEyedMonster jealousy that his son's power could surpass the prince]], King Vegeta's stated reason was that Broly's potential could [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity drive him mad]] and [[FromBadToWorse make him a threat both to himself and everyone around him]]. Paragus himself seems to realize the King may have been right once Broly's battle on Earth turns him into a [[UnstoppableRage rage-fueled]] [[TheBerserker Berserker]] and [[ApocalypseHow potential universal threat]].

** During ''[[Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF Resurrection F]]'' and the corresponding arc of ''Super'', Goku tells Vegeta how murdering [[GrandTheftMe Captain Ginyu]] in [[NobleDemon Tagoma]]'s body was too extreme. Vegeta tells him he simply killed someone too dangerous to leave alone. Considering that Ginyu is a [[HiredGuns mercenary]] who had proven he ''wouldn't'' leave the heroes be if given a chance, he's got a point there.
** Vegeta becomes angry when Goku played around with [[EvilTwin Goku Black]] instead of instantly killing him when he had the chance. This gave Black the opportunity to study Goku's fighting style and destroy Future Trunks' TimeMachine, giving him the chance to become more powerful to the point he could challenge Goku and Vegeta in their [[PhysicalGod Super Saiyan Blue forms]]. Also, if Cell's version of the older Trunks' machine hadn't been in Bulma's stash there would have been no way to go to the future to save it again in the first place. His reasoning was mostly because he [[PapaWolf wanted to destroy Goku Black for hurting Future Trunks]] and [[AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther killing Future Bulma]], but he gets even angrier about it after these events vindicate him.

* Despite his [[KnightInSourArmor harsh exterior]], [[GoodIsNotNice Vegeta]] has made explanations and rationalized his own actions to the point of it being a RunningGag, especially regarding fights; this contrasts him with the [[EasilyForgiven more lenient]] [[AllLovingHero Goku]].

** During ''[[Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF Resurrection F]]'' and the corresponding arc of ''Super'', Goku tells Vegeta how murdering [[GrandTheftMe Captain Ginyu]] in [[NobleDemon Tagoma]]'s body was too extreme. Vegeta tells him he simply killed somebody too dangerous to leave alone. Considering that Ginyu is a [[HiredGuns mercenary]] who had proven he ''wouldn't'' leave the heroes be if given a chance, he's got a point there.
** Vegeta becomes angry when Goku, as usual played around with [[EvilTwin Goku Black]] instead of instantly killing him when he had the chance. This gave Black the opportunity to study Goku's fighting style, destroy Future Trunks' TimeMachine, giving him the chance to become more powerful to the point he could challenge Goku and Vegeta in their [[PhysicalGod Super Saiyan Blue forms]]. Also, if Cell's version of the older Trunks' machine hadn't been in Bulma's stash there would have been no way to go to the future to save it again in the first place. His reasoning was mostly because he [[PapaWolf wanted to destroy Goku Black for hurting Future Trunks]] and [[AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther killing Future Bulma]], but he gets even angrier about it after these events vindicate him.
** When Future Trunks, having seen the strength of Super Saiyan Blue, is prepared to just kick back and let Goku and Vegeta handle Goku Black, Vegeta lifts him up by the collar and furiously chews him out on his [[WeHaveBecomeComplacent complacency]], remarking that Black most likely won't be the only threat to his time that comes his way and he should ''always'' train to surpass his limits no matter the situation; considering how often threats to Earth have come (Majin Buu, Beerus, Frieza, etc.) and all of the Z-Fighters barring Goku and Vegeta himself have been helpless against them due to no proper training, he's clearly speaking from experience. While Bulma calls Vegeta out on his harshness considering Trunks' recent TraumaCongaLine, Goku insists it's "[[BlueAndOrangeMorality how Saiyans work]]"; Trunks himself quickly takes Vegeta's words to heart, resolving to constantly train and grow stronger.
** He also ''strongly'' objects to reviving Frieza to participate in the [[HighStakesGame Tournament of Power]] on the grounds that he's uncontrollable and can't be trusted. [[spoiler:He's proven right by Frieza's internal monologue to become a being to replace Zeno, though ironically enough, Frieza ends up being key to the victory of their team and doesn't ever betray them, so he ended up being wrong.]]
** Come ''Super: Broly'', Goku naively believes that since [[spoiler:Frieza helped them during the Tournament of Power, this means that he'll no longer be evil and is now their friend. Vegeta calls him out on that and openly calls him an idiot, telling Goku point-blank that Frieza will ''never'' change and will still try to kill them; he's proven right when Frieza comes to Earth and sics Broly on them.]]
* [[BloodKnight Beerus]], [[TheDreaded God of Destruction of Universe 7]] is ''really'' against Goku's idea of an All-Universe Tournament because it involves [[TopGod Zeno]]; he even threatens to ''vaporize'' him. However, knowing that Zeno is even more casual and apathetic to life than Beerus, destroyed six universes in the past just because something annoyed him and the losers of upcoming tournament will have ''their entire universes'' destroyed, it's hard to disagree.
** He also berates Goku for his naive nature, stating it's dangerous to all existence. Remember that Goku spared Frieza, who tried to destroy Earth twice (and succeeds in the latter case; only Whis' TimeMaster abilities averted it), his [[BloodKnight fight-happy nature]] led to Zamasu's StartOfDarkness and the destruction of the future multiverse, etc.
** At the end of the Future Trunks Saga, he coldly tells Gowasu to choose his apprentices more carefully in the future. Considering the fact that Gowasu proved to be a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter in regards to [[MisanthropeSupreme Zamasu]] and failed to notice his growing darkness until it was almost too late, and also [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom told him about the Time Rings and Super Dragon Balls]], both of which proved crucial to Zamasu's plans, he's not wrong. Though, in defense of Gowasu, we actually get to see Zamasu before becoming a Supreme Kai and [[UsedToBeASweetKid he was actually quite kind and humble back then]].
* When Goku fights [[SavageWolves Bergamo]] during the preliminary tournament, the latter manipulates the gods into making Goku the bad guy and tries to get Zeno's favor by having the universes be spared if he beats the former. Right after being defeated, Bergamo calls out Goku on whether or not he cares for the state of the universes considering they are going to be erased when they lose. While Bergamo is underhanded and said it in the middle of his SoreLoser speech, he's got a good point about Goku especially considering that the latter is completely nonchalant about it, even challenging the other gods to come at him.
* After being knocked out of the arena, [[WorldsStrongestMan Jiren]] proceeds to insult Toppo for it, even calling him pathetic. While it comes across as assholish to insult his leader after being eliminated, he has every right to berate him given that Toppo was fully willing to sacrifice his principles just for the sake of more power and in spite of this he still lost to someone who didn't sacrifice any, in fact staying true to them to the point Jiren gave a sincere compliment.
* In ''Anime/DragonBallSuperBroly'', [[AdaptationalNiceGuy King Vegeta]] banishes Broly to [[DeathWorld Planet Vampa]] after seeing how freakishly powerful he is as a child. While Paragus called him out on this and believed the King only did so because he was jealous that Broly's power could surpass the prince, King Vegeta's stated reason was that Broly's potential could [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity drive him mad]] and [[FromBadToWorse make him a threat both to himself and everyone around him]]. Paragus himself seems to realize the King may have been right once Broly's battle on Earth turns him into a rage-fueled [[TheBerserker Berserker]] and potential universal threat.

* Despite his [[KnightInSourArmor harsh exterior]], [[HiddenHeartOfGold Vegeta]] has made explanations and rationalized his own actions to the point of it being a RunningGag, especially regarding fights; this contrasts him with the [[EasilyForgiven more lenient]] [[AllLovingHero Goku]].

** Yajirobe made another point when [[InsufferableGenius Bulma]] wanted to see the [[{{Cyborg}} "androids"]] that [[KidFromTheFuture Future Trunks]] warned the Goku and his friends about; he protests [[HarmfulToMinors bringing the infant Present Trunks into the line of fire]]. His concerns are proven when [[EvilOldFolks Android 20/Dr. Gero]] shoots down Bulma's aircraft, leaving Yajirobe nearly BuriedAlive while Bulma and Present Trunks have to be rescued by Future Trunks.

** When [[MixAndMatchMan Cell]] announces the Cell Games, Piccolo wants to train first in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber after Goku and Gohan leave. Vegeta calls this a waste since the fight with Cell will be beyond any level outside the Saiyans but mockingly allows Piccolo to go first. Although Vegeta was a {{Jerkass}} about it as usual, he is right that only a Saiyan could beat Cell in the amount of time they had, and Piccolo's year-long training didn't amount to nearly as much as the gain received by Goku/Gohan/Vegeta. For a long time, no non-Saiyan Z-Fighter approached Cell's level of power, let alone surpassed it -- and even then the Saiyans still have the overall highest potential to get stronger.

** When Vegeta learns about Goku's [[AwesomeButImpractical Super Saiyan 3]] transformation, he immediately blows up at Goku for not using it in their earlier fight. Though it's clear that Vegeta's really just angry that Goku was holding back against him, he makes a pretty good point that Goku could have ended it at any time and simply chose not to (something that directly led to [[EldritchAbomination Majin Buu]]'s release). Goku's only defense is that he wanted to save it for an emergency, which Vegeta calls out as unconvincing at best.
** Vegeta gets another one when he [[WhatTheHellHero calls out Goku for leaving his children to die]] [[EarthShatteringKaboom while Kid Buu blows up Earth]] and choosing to rescue Mr. Satan, Bee and Dende instead. During the entire exchange, Goku has ''nothing'' to say in his own defense. Of course, Dende, Mr. Satan and Bee proved instrumental to Buu's defeat but no one could have known at the time.
* When Gohan wants to learn martial arts from his father instead of [[SinkOrSwimMentor Piccolo]], he states Goku is too soft-hearted to be effective. These concerns prove to be justified when they go into the [[YearInsideHourOutside Hyperbolic Time Chamber]] and Goku initially holds back for fear of hurting his son.

** Vegeta becomes angry when Goku, as usual played around with [[EvilTwin Goku Black]] instead of instantly killing him when he had the chance. This gave Black the opportunity to study Goku's fighting style, destroy [[KidFromTheFuture Future Trunks]]' TimeMachine, giving him the chance to become more powerful to the point he could challenge Goku and Vegeta in their [[PhysicalGod Super Saiyan Blue forms]]. Also, if Cell's version of the older Trunks' machine hadn't been in Bulma's stash there would have been no way to go to the future to save it again in the first place. His reasoning was mostly because he [[PapaWolf wanted to destroy Goku Black for hurting Future Trunks]] and [[AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther killing Future Bulma]], but he gets even angrier about it after these events vindicate him.

* During his tournament fight with the thuggish [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Giran]], Goku saves himself from a RingOut by calling for his Flying Nimbus. When Giran calls foul, the referee acknowledges he has legitimate reason to protest and talks to some higher-ups offscreen. He comes back and says that while Goku's still allowed to compete since his move wasn't illegal ''at the time'', [[ObviousRulePatch there's now a rule against it]] so he'll be disqualified if he tries it again.

** His killing Burter and Recoome of the [[QuirkyMinibossSquad Ginyu Force]] in cold blood after their defeats. [[IdiotHero Goku]] states Vegeta was being cruel but he retorts it was deserved, especially since [[ParentalNeglect Gohan]] and [[ButtMonkey Krillin]] were on the verge of death and they had killed countless people under Frieza's orders. While Goku states having a little compassion isn't a disadvantage, sparing any members of the Ginyu Force would have caused far more harm than good. This is further emphasized later on when Goku spares their even more {{sadist}}ic leader Frieza's life at least twice -- which only prompts Frieza to try to stab Goku in the back both times.

* During his tournament fight with the thuggish Giran, Goku saves himself from a RingOut by calling for his Flying Nimbus. When Giran calls foul, the referee acknowledges he has legitimate reason to protest and talks to some higher-ups offscreen. He comes back and says that while Goku's still allowed to compete since his move wasn't illegal ''at the time'', [[ObviousRulePatch there's now a rule against it]] so he'll be disqualified if he tries it again.

* In the [[Anime/DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan eighth movie]], [[TheHighKing King Vegeta]] decided to execute the newborn Broly, viewing him as a threat to his power due to his PowerLevel of 10,000. Considering how AxCrazy Broly became as an adult coupled with [[BewareTheSuperman his incredible power]], these fears had merit.

* While [[FallenAngel Zamasu]] is a KnightTemplar with [[KillAllHumans murderous ambitions]], his [[HumansAreFlawed overall view]] [[HumansAreBastards on mortals]] is not entirely unfounded. [[GalacticConquerer Frieza's family]], [[BitchInSheepsClothing Frost]] and the [[BloodKnight Saiyans]] were planet brokers who committed war crimes such as [[FinalSolution genocide]] for profit; [[GeneralRipper Commander Red]] sought the [[MakeAWish Dragon Balls]] just to [[TheNapoleon gain extra height]]; [[MadScientist Dr. Gero]] used his great mind to create [[KillerRobot deadly androids]], one of whom literally ''[[ImAHumanitarian ate people]]'' to settle [[EvilIsPetty a petty grudge]] with Goku; and [[EvilSorcerer Bibidi and Babidi]] unleashed [[EldritchAbomination Majin Buu]] on Universe 7, causing the deaths of nearly all the [[GodIsGood Kais]] and billions of innocents. Zamasu's FatalFlaw, however, is his [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity inability]] to see that not all mortals are [[AlwaysChaoticEvil evil by nature]].

** He's also right about [[TheGodsMustBeLazy the gods' inaction against mortals who abuse their gifts of knowledge]] as it's specifically stated that a lot of the lower-ranked universes are that way because the gods didn't intervene when they should have. [[TheDitherer Sidra's indecision]] is a big factor in Universe 9 being the biggest CrapsackWorld and [[CatsAreMean Beerus]] let people like Frieza and his clan do what they wanted, even encouraging the massacre of the Saiyans. The manga notes that Beerus ''really should'' have dealt with Majin Buu before he killed all but one of Universe 7's Kais (making the SoleSurvivor have to deal with the entire place despite being IncompletelyTrained), but he [[SleptThroughTheApocalypse slept through the whole shebang]].

** During ''[[Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF Resurrection F]]'' and the corresponding arc of ''Super'', Goku tells Vegeta how killing [[GrandTheftMe Ginyu]] in Tagoma's was too extreme. Vegeta tells him he simply killed somebody who was too dangerous to leave alone. Considering that Ginyu is a dangerous and somewhat sadistic mercenary who had proven that he ''wouldn't'' leave the heroes alone given a chance, he's got a point there.
** Vegeta becomes angry when Goku, as usual, played around with Goku Black instead of instantly killing him when he had the chance. This gave Black the opportunity to study Goku's fighting style and destroy the time machine, giving him the chance to become more powerful to the point where he could challenge Goku and Vegeta in their blue forms. Also, if Cell's time machine hadn't been in Bulma's stash there would have been no way to go to the future to save it in the first place. His reasoning was mostly because he wanted to kill him for hurting Trunks and killing Future Bulma, but he gets even angrier about it after these events vindicate his point.

** He also ''strongly'' objects to reviving Frieza to participate in the Tournament of Power on the grounds that he's uncontrollable and can't be trusted. [[spoiler:He's proven right by Frieza's internal monologue to become a being to replace Zeno, though ironically enough, Frieza ends up being key to the victory of their team and doesn't ever betray them, so he ended up being wrong.]]

* [[BloodKnight Beerus]], [[TheDreaded God of Destruction of Universe 7]], is ''really'' against Goku's idea of an All-Universe Tournament, because it involves [[TopGod Zen'O]]; he even threatens to ''vaporize'' him. However, knowing that Zen'O is even more casual and apathetic to life than Beerus, destroyed 6 universes in the past just because something annoyed him, and the losers of upcoming tournament will have ''their entire universes'' destroyed, it's hard to disagree.
** He also berates Goku for his naive nature, stating that it's dangerous to the universe. Remember that Goku spared Frieza, who tried to destroy Earth twice (and succeeds in the latter case; only Whis' TimeMaster abilities averted it), his fight-happy nature led to Zamasu's StartOfDarkness and destruction of the Future multiverse, etc.

* When Goku fights Bergamo during the preliminary tournament, the latter manipulates the gods into making Goku the bad guy and tries to get under Zen'O's favor by having the universe be spared if he beats the former. Right after being defeated, Bergamo calls out Goku on whether or not he cares for the state of the universe considering they are going to be erased when they lose. While Bergamo is underhanded, manipulative and he said it in the middle of his SoreLoser speech, he's got a good point about Goku especially considering that the latter is completely nonchalant about it, even challenging the other gods to come at him.
* After being knocked out of the arena, Jiren proceeds to insult Toppo for it, even calling him pathetic. While it comes across as a assholish move for him to insult his leader after being eliminated, he has every right to berate him given that Toppo is fully willing to sacrifice his principles just for the sake of more power and in spite of this, he still loses to someone who doesn't sacrifice any, and in fact stays true to them to the point that Jiren sincerely compliments him for it.
* In ''Anime/DragonBallSuperBroly'', King Vegeta banishes Broly to [[DeathWorld Planet Vampa]] after seeing how freakishly powerful he is as a child. While Paragus called Vegeta out on this, and believes the King only did so because he was jealous that his son's powers rivaled the prince, King Vegeta's stated reason was that Broly's potential could drive him insane and make him a threat both to himself and everyone around him. Paragus himself seems to realize that the King may have been right once Broly's battle on Earth turns him into a rage-fueled [[TheBerserker Berserker]] and a potential universal threat.

* During his tournament fight with the thuggish Giran, Goku saves himself from a RingOut by calling for his Flying Nimbus. When Giran calls foul, the tournament ref acknowledges he has legitimate reason to protest and talks to some higher-ups offscreen. He comes back and says that while Goku's still allowed to compete since his move wasn't illegal ''at the time'', [[ObviousRulePatch there's now a rule against it]] and so he'll be disqualified if he tries it again.

* In the Saiyan Saga, Yajirobe has a moment of this after the fight against Vegeta, calling out Chi-Chi for focusing entirely on Gohan, who was merely unconscious, while ignoring Goku, who didn't have a single unbroken bone in his body.
* Vegeta, more often than not, would provide more than a few good points or reasons:
** His killing Burter and Recoome in cold blood after Goku defeated them. Goku states that Vegeta was being cruel, but Vegeta then retorts that their deaths were deserved, especially since Gohan and Krillin were on the verge of death, and that they had killed countless people under Frieza's orders. While Goku states that having a little compassion isn't a disadvantage, sparing the Ginyu Force would have caused far more harm than good. This is further emphasized later on when Goku spares their even more sadistic leader Frieza's life at least twice -- which only prompts Frieza to try to stab Goku in the back both times.
** After saving the heart virus-stricken Goku from being killed by Android 19, Vegeta proceeds to chew him out for it, reminding Goku that he was ''warned'' about the heart virus and should have known that fighting in his condition, let alone going [[SuperMode Super Saiyan]], would have only made it worse.
** Vegeta gets another one after beating Android 19 so thoroughly that 19 flips out and tries to make a break for it, to which Dr. Gero/Android 20 shouts at him that it's enough. As Vegeta rightfully points out in response, Gero and 19 had come all this way to destroy him and the other Z Fighters, and [[MoralMyopia it's only "enough" because they're losing]].
** When Cell announces the Cell Games, Piccolo wants to train first in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber after Goku and Gohan leave. Vegeta calls this a waste since the fight with Cell will be beyond any level outside the Saiyans, but mockingly allows Piccolo to go first. Although Vegeta was an ass about it, he is right that only a Saiyan could beat Cell in the amount of time they had, and Piccolo's year-long training didn't amount to nearly as much as the gain received by Goku/Gohan/Vegeta. For a long time, no non-Saiyan Z-Fighter approached Cell's level of power, let alone surpassed it -- and even then, the Saiyans still have the overall highest potential to get stronger, compared to everyone else.
** Although Vegeta was too harsh with Gohan about him getting weaker in the Buu saga and how his fight with Dabura was a "disgrace," he made a good point: Gohan was struggling against a foe that, seven years ago, he wouldn't have had such a problem with, and it was in their interest to beat these foes as quickly and efficiently as possible. In fact, Vegeta's arrogance notwithstanding, it's highly probable that he could have defeated Dabura with relative ease had he been the one to fight instead.
** When Vegeta learns about Goku's Super Saiyan 3 transformation, he immediately blows up at Goku for not using it in their earlier fight. Though it's clear that Vegeta's really just angry that Goku was holding back against him, he makes a pretty good point that Goku could have ended the fight at any time and simply chose not to (something that directly led to Majin Buu's release). Goku's only defense is that he wanted to save the transformation for an emergency, which Vegeta calls out as, at best, unconvincing.
** Vegeta gets another one in the climax of the Buu Arc when he [[WhatTheHellHero calls out Goku for leaving his children to die while Kid Buu blows up the Earth]], and choosing to rescue Mr. Satan and Dende instead. During the entire exchange, Goku has ''nothing'' to say in his own defense. Of course, Dende, Mr. Satan, and the dog proved instrumental to Buu's defeat but no one could have known that at the time.
* During the Saiyan Saga, when Gohan wants to learn martial arts from his father instead of Piccolo, Piccolo states that Goku is too soft-hearted towards his own son to be an effective teacher. These concerns prove to be justified in the Cell saga when they go into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and Goku initially holds back for fear of hurting Gohan accidentally.
* In the [[Anime/DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan eighth movie]], King Vegeta decided to execute the newborn Broly, viewing him as a threat to his power due to his PowerLevel of 10,000. Considering how AxCrazy Broly became as an adult, coupled with [[BewareTheSuperman his incredible power]], his fears had merit.

* While Zamasu is a KnightTemplar with mass-murdering ambitions, his overall view on mortals is not entirely unfounded. Mortals do misuse the knowledge of the gods and have committed several atrocities: [[GalacticConquerer Frieza]] and the Saiyans were cold-hearted planet brokers who regularly committed genocide for profit; [[MadScientist Dr. Gero]] used his great mind to create mass-murdering androids, one of whom (Cell) literally ''[[ImAHumanitarian ate]]'' [[ImAHumanitarian people]], all to settle [[EvilIsPetty a petty grudge]] with Goku; and [[EvilSorcerer Bibidi and Babidi]] unleashed Majin Buu on Universe 7, causing the deaths of nearly all of the Supreme Kais and billions of innocents. Zamasu's FatalFlaw, however, is his [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity inability]] to see that not all mortals are [[AlwaysChaoticEvil evil by nature]].
** His assessment of the Babarians proves sound; his master Gowasu [[AdviceBackfire brought him there to demonstrate that mortals weren't inherently evil and capable of maturation, yet even after a thousand years, there was no moral growth to observe in the species]].
** He also has a point about [[TheGodsMustBeLazy the gods' inaction against mortals who abuse the knowledge of the gods]], as it's specifically stated that a lot of the lower-ranked universes are that way because the gods didn't intervene when they should have. Sidra's indecisive nature is a big factor in Universe 9 being a CrapsackWorld, and Beerus let Freeza and his clan do what they wanted with the universe, even encouraging him to kill all the Saiyans. The manga even notes that Beerus ''really should'' have dealt with Majin Buu before he killed all but one of Universe 7's Supreme Kais (making the SoleSurvivor have to deal with an entire universe despite being IncompletelyTrained), but he [[SleptThroughTheApocalypse slept through the whole shebang]].

** During the Resurrection F arc of ''Super'', Goku tells Vegeta how killing Ginyu was too extreme. Vegeta tells him he simply killed somebody who was too dangerous to leave alone. Considering that Ginyu is a dangerous and somewhat sadistic mercenary who had proven that he ''wouldn't'' leave the heroes alone given a chance, he's got a point there.

* During a filler segment of the Android Saga, Gohan and Chi-Chi get angry at Mr. Shu for bragging that Goku is a brute of a father who has abandoned his family to go fight God-knows-where. As much of an abusive and deranged individual as Mr. Shu is, he had a point: Goku was offered a free trip to Earth at the end of the Namek Saga and refused on the sole basis that he wanted to stay in space to train. As far as Goku and the audience was aware, Freeza was dead, the Earth was not being threatened and Goku had spent quite a few months training in space already, so he refused to go back to his family out of nothing but his own desire to get stronger and fight, effectively abandoning them for roughly two years.

* While Zamasu is a KnightTemplar with [[KillEmAll mass-murdering ambitions]], his overall view on mortals is not entirely unfounded. Mortals do misuse the knowledge of the gods and have committed several atrocities: [[GalacticConquerer Frieza]] and the Saiyans were cold-hearted planet brokers who regularly committed genocide for profit; [[MadScientist Dr. Gero]] used his great mind to create mass-murdering androids, one of whom (Cell) literally ''[[ImAHumanitarian ate]]'' [[ImAHumanitarian people]], all to settle [[EvilIsPetty a petty grudge]] with Goku; and [[EvilSorcerer Bibidi and Babidi]] unleashed Majin Buu on Universe 7, causing the deaths of nearly all of the Supreme Kais and billions of innocents. Zamasu's FatalFlaw, however, is his [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity inability]] to see that not all mortals are [[AlwaysChaoticEvil evil by nature]].

* During the Saiyan Saga, when Gohan wants to learn martial arts from his father instead of Piccolo, Piccolo states that Goku is too soft-hearted to be an effective teacher. These concerns prove to be justified in the Cell saga when they go into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and Goku initially holds back for fear of hurting Gohan accidentally.

* While Zamasu is a KnightTemplar with [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazi-esque ambitions]], his overall view on mortals is not entirely unfounded. Mortals do misuse the knowledge of the gods and have committed several atrocities: [[GalacticConquerer Frieza]] and the Saiyans were cold-hearted planet brokers who regularly committed genocide for profit; [[MadScientist Dr. Gero]] used his great mind to create mass-murdering androids, one of whom (Cell) literally ''[[ImAHumanitarian ate]]'' [[ImAHumanitarian people]], all to settle [[EvilIsPetty a petty grudge]] with Goku; and [[EvilSorcerer Bibidi and Babidi]] unleashed Majin Buu on Universe 7, causing the deaths of nearly all of the Supreme Kais and billions of innocents. Zamasu's FatalFlaw, however, is his [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity inability]] to see that not all mortals are [[AlwaysChaoticEvil evil by nature]].

** Vegeta becomes angry when Goku, as usual, played around with Goku Black instead of instantly killing him when he had the chance. This gave Black the opportunity to study Goku's fighting style and destroy the time machine, giving him the chance to become more powerful to the point where he could challenge Goku and Vegeta in their blue forms. Also, if Cell's time machine hadn't been in Bulma's junk stash there would have been no way to go to the future to save it in the first place. His reasoning was mostly because he wanted to kill him for hurting Trunks and killing Future Bulma, but he gets even angrier about it after these events vindicate his point.
** When Future Trunks, having seen the strength of Super Saiyan Blue, is prepared to just kick back and let Goku and Vegeta handle Goku Black, Vegeta lifts him up by the collar and furiously chews him out on his [[WeHaveBecomeComplacent complacency]], remarking that Black most likely won't be the only threat to his time that comes his way and he should ''always'' train to surpass his limits no matter the situation; considering how often threats to Earth have come (Majin Buu, Beerus, Frieza, etc.) and all of the Z-Fighters barring Goku and Vegeta himself have been helpless against them due to lack of training, he's clearly speaking from experience. While Bulma calls Vegeta out on his harshness considering Trunks' recent TraumaCongaLine, Goku insists it's "[[BlueAndOrangeMorality how Saiyans work]]"; Trunks himself quickly takes Vegeta's words to heart, resolving to constantly train and grow stronger.

* [[BloodKnight Beerus]], [[TheDreaded God of Destruction of Universe 7]], is ''really'' against Goku's idea of an All-Universe Tournament, because it involves [[TopGod Zen'O]]; he even threatens to ''vaporise'' him. However, knowing that Zen'O is even more casual and apathetic to life than Beerus, destroyed 6 universes in the past just because something annoyed him, and the losers of upcoming tournament will have ''their entire universes'' destroyed, it's hard to disagree.

** At the end of the Future Trunks Saga, he coldly tells Gowasu to choose his apprentices more carefully in the future. Considering the fact that Gowasu proved to be a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter in regards to [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Zamasu]] and failed to notice his growing darkness until it was almost too late, and also [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom told him about the Time Rings and Super Dragon Balls]], both of which proved crucial to Zamasu's plans, he's not wrong. Though, in defense of Gowasu, we actually get to see Zamasu before becoming a Supreme Kai and [[UsedToBeASweetKid he was actually quite kind and humble back then]].

** When Cell announces the Cell Games, Piccolo wants to train first in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber after Goku and Gohan leaves. Vegeta calls this a waste since the fight with Cell will be beyond any level outside the Saiyans, but mockingly allows Piccolo to go first. Although Vegeta was an ass about it, he is right that only a Saiyan could beat Cell in the amount of time they had, and Piccolo's year-long training didn't amount to nearly as much as the gain received by Goku/Gohan/Vegeta. For a long time, no non-Saiyan Z-Fighter approached Cell's level of power, let alone surpassed it -- and even then, the Saiyans still have the overall highest potential to get stronger, compared to everyone else.

* In the Saiyan Saga, Yajirobe invokes this after the fight against Vegeta, calling out Chi-Chi for focusing entirely on Gohan, who was merely unconscious, while ignoring Goku, who didn't have a single unbroken bone in his body.

* During the Resurrection F arc of ''Super'', Goku tells Vegeta how killing Ginyu was too extreme. Vegeta tells him he simply killed somebody who was too dangerous to leave alone. Considering that Ginyu is a dangerous and somewhat sadistic mercenary who had proven that he ''wouldn't'' leave the heroes alone given a chance, he's got a point there.

** He also ''strongly'' objects to reviving Frieza to participate in the Tournament of Power on the grounds that he's uncontrollable and can't be trusted. [[spoiler: He's proven right by Frieza's internal monologue to become a being to replace Zeno, though ironically enough, Frieza ends up being key to the victory of their team and doesn't ever betray them, so he ended up being wrong.]]
** ** Come ''Super: Broly'', Goku naively believes that since [[spoiler:Frieza helped them during the Tournament of Power, this means that he'll no longer be evil and is now their friend. Vegeta calls him out on that and openly calls him an idiot, telling Goku point-blank that Frieza will ''never'' change and will still try to kill them; he's proven right when Frieza comes to Earth and sics Broly on them.]]

** At the end of the Future Trunks Saga, he coldly tells Gowasu to choose his apprentices more carefully in the future. Considering the fact that Gowasu proved to be a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter in regards to [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Zamasu]] and failed to notice his growing darkness until it was almost too late, and also [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom told him about the Time Rings and Super Dragon Balls]], both of which proved crucial to Zamasu's plans, he's not wrong. Though, in defense of Gowasu, we actually get to see Zamasu before becoming a Supreme Kai and [[UsedToBeASweetKid he was actually quite kind and humble back then.]]

** He also berates Goku for his naive nature, stating that it's dangerous to the universe. Remember that Goku spared Frieza, who tried to destroy Earth twice (and succeeds in the latter case; only Whis' TimeMaster abilities averted it), his fighty-happy nature led to Zamasu's StartOfDarkness and destruction of the Future multiverse, etc.

* After being knocked out of the arena, Jiren proceeds to insult Toppo for it, even calling him pathetic. While it comes across as a assholish move for him to insult his leader after being eliminated, he has every right to berate him given that Toppo is fully willing to sacrifice his principles just for the sake of more power and in spite of this, he still loses to someone who doesn't sacrifice any, and in fact stays true to them to the point that Jiren sincerely compliments him for it.

* Vegeta, more often than not, would provide more than a few good points or reasons;

** He also has a point about [[TheGodsMustBeLazy the gods' inaction against mortals who abuse the knowledge of the gods]]. The suffering caused by Frieza, Bibidi, and Babidi could have been avoided if the gods were more active. Beerus specifically let Frieza do whatever he wanted and even approved of him destroying the Saiyans for [[DisproportionateRetribution petty reasons]]. In the ''Super'' manga, it's outright stated that Beerus should have been the one to handle Majin Buu, but he was [[SleptThroughTheApocalypse asleep]].
* During the Resurrection F arc of ''Super'', Goku tells Vegeta how killing Ginyu was too extreme. Vegeta tells him he simply killed somebody who was too dangerous to leave alone. Considering Ginyu likely would have tried to take either of their bodies, it's definitely the right call to take him out as early as possible.

** When Cell announces the Cell Games, Piccolo wants to train first in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber after Goku and Gohan leaves. Vegeta calls this a waste since the fight with Cell will be beyond any level outside the Saiyans, but mockingly allows Piccolo to go first. Although Vegeta was an ass about it, he is right that only a Saiyan could beat Cell in the amount of time they had, and Piccolo's year-long training didn't amount to nearly as much as the gain received by Goku/Gohan/Vegeta. For a long time, no non-Saiyan Z-Fighter approached Cell's level of power, let alone surpassed it - and even then, the Saiyans still have the overall highest potential to get stronger, compared to everyone else.