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* So after watching [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGCictw_TgM this vid]], I got wondering. Why ''hasn't'' Riot taken a shot at making a spinoff game? League's big enough to be called the video game super bowl so there should be an audience to sell to. I get that MOBA is a very different style from other games, but there's always the option to collab with other developers (like when Nintendo and Koei made ''VideoGame/HyruleWarriors]]). I'm just curious is all.

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* So after watching [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGCictw_TgM this vid]], I got wondering. Why ''hasn't'' Riot taken a shot at making a spinoff game? League's big enough to be called the video game super bowl so there should be an audience to sell to. I get that MOBA is a very different style from other games, but there's always the option to collab with other developers (like when Nintendo and Koei made ''VideoGame/HyruleWarriors]]).''VideoGame/HyruleWarriors''). I'm just curious is all.
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** There's also the fact that League's lore is currently going under some ''major'' overhauls, so no issue with being behind in lore.

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** There's also the fact that League's lore is currently going under some ''major'' overhauls, so no issue with being behind in lore.lore.
* So after watching [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGCictw_TgM this vid]], I got wondering. Why ''hasn't'' Riot taken a shot at making a spinoff game? League's big enough to be called the video game super bowl so there should be an audience to sell to. I get that MOBA is a very different style from other games, but there's always the option to collab with other developers (like when Nintendo and Koei made ''VideoGame/HyruleWarriors]]). I'm just curious is all.
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** I would say no. At this point a Champion is just a cipher to represent you on the battlefield, with some personality flavor to make it more interesting. If you take an interest in him or her and want to learn more, the information is there. The real barrier to League is learning the game mechanics, builds, and how to shrug off the occasionally-toxic community.

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** I would say no. At this point a Champion is just a cipher to represent you on the battlefield, with some personality flavor to make it more interesting. If you take an interest in him or her and want to learn more, the information is there. The real barrier to League is learning the game mechanics, builds, and how to shrug off the occasionally-toxic community.community.
** There's also the fact that League's lore is currently going under some ''major'' overhauls, so no issue with being behind in lore.
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* Hey, I've been thinking about starting LOL. Will there be any *ContinuityLockout? Just wondering.

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* Hey, I've been thinking about starting LOL. Will there be any *ContinuityLockout? Just wondering.wondering.
** I would say no. At this point a Champion is just a cipher to represent you on the battlefield, with some personality flavor to make it more interesting. If you take an interest in him or her and want to learn more, the information is there. The real barrier to League is learning the game mechanics, builds, and how to shrug off the occasionally-toxic community.
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** I was actually excited to see that her eyes had turned blue. Give Ahri's backstory/lore a read: she's a gumiho ''trying to become more human/moral.'' The legend of the gumiho states that if the (naturally pretty ChaoticNeutral) gumiho can go 1000 days without eating a human, it will turn into a pure-hearted creature (or even become human itself). This December 11th, 2014 will mark Ahri's 3-year anniversary of joining the league. 3 years = 1095 days. It's hounestly FridgeBrilliance when you realize that Riot ''acknowledged'' this passage of time in A New Dawn. TL;DR her eyes were yellow when she joined the league, now they're blue, to show that she's become a good person (or is very close to being one).

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** I was actually excited to see that her eyes had turned blue. Give Ahri's backstory/lore a read: she's a gumiho ''trying to become more human/moral.'' The legend of the gumiho states that if the (naturally pretty ChaoticNeutral) gumiho can go 1000 days without eating a human, it will turn into a pure-hearted creature (or even become human itself). This December 11th, 2014 will mark Ahri's 3-year anniversary of joining the league. 3 years = 1095 days. It's hounestly FridgeBrilliance when you realize that Riot ''acknowledged'' this passage of time in A New Dawn. TL;DR her eyes were yellow when she joined the league, now they're blue, to show that she's become a good person (or is very close to being one).one).
*Hey, I've been thinking about starting LOL. Will there be any *ContinuityLockout? Just wondering.
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** You were BornLucky. Because ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'' is a free game, it's fully possible for people to have only two wins at level 10 because every other match they get into is full of [[SockPuppet Saboteur accounts]] as I call them. I don't know if this is happening in ''HeroesOfNewerth'' now that it's free or not, but you're not free from dummy accounts that are dumped at level 20 or so for people to just go in and troll, intentionally feed, and make newbies' lives a living hell by wrecking their games. If they get reported, then who cares? You're not losing anything - it's just a ''dummy account'' that's banned. That and they probably are playing more bot games. I play bot games mostly because I don't have the time to get into a game that can drag on for over an hour and people rarely let bot games drag on that long.

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** You were BornLucky. Because ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'' is a free game, it's fully possible for people to have only two wins at level 10 because every other match they get into is full of [[SockPuppet Saboteur accounts]] as I call them. I don't know if this is happening in ''HeroesOfNewerth'' ''VideoGame/HeroesOfNewerth'' now that it's free or not, but you're not free from dummy accounts that are dumped at level 20 or so for people to just go in and troll, intentionally feed, and make newbies' lives a living hell by wrecking their games. If they get reported, then who cares? You're not losing anything - it's just a ''dummy account'' that's banned. That and they probably are playing more bot games. I play bot games mostly because I don't have the time to get into a game that can drag on for over an hour and people rarely let bot games drag on that long.



*** But for some reason, it's ''especially'' bad in MOBA games, especially DefenseOfTheAncients, HeroesOfNewerth, and this game.

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*** But for some reason, it's ''especially'' bad in MOBA games, especially DefenseOfTheAncients, HeroesOfNewerth, VideoGame/HeroesOfNewerth, and this game.



***** Which is why you should ''never'' play ranked or ''any'' games that are "pro" environment like [=DotA=] or HeroesOfNewerth - If you're having fun, ''you WILL be chased out'' and kicked from games, blacklisted, trash-talked, etc. StopHavingFunGuys cannot be removed - they can only be quarantined by "pro" environments that stroke their egos.

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***** Which is why you should ''never'' play ranked or ''any'' games that are "pro" environment like [=DotA=] or HeroesOfNewerth VideoGame/HeroesOfNewerth - If you're having fun, ''you WILL be chased out'' and kicked from games, blacklisted, trash-talked, etc. StopHavingFunGuys cannot be removed - they can only be quarantined by "pro" environments that stroke their egos.
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** Sion is already dead. And if Urgot's selection quote ("Eternal life, endless torment") is any indication, those who undergo the process Sion and Urgot went through exist in pain, so death might be a release of sorts. For Draven, his death is supposed to be a shoutout to either [[MetalGear Liquid Ocelot]] or [[CowboyBebop Cowboy Bebop]]'s death ([[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oujWuLFx7Ug video comparison]]), and having it be more 'dramatic' would null the shoutout.

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** Sion is already dead. And if Urgot's selection quote ("Eternal life, endless torment") is any indication, those who undergo the process Sion and Urgot went through exist in pain, so death might be a release of sorts. For Draven, his death is supposed to be a shoutout to either [[MetalGear Liquid Ocelot]] or [[CowboyBebop [[Anime/CowboyBebop Cowboy Bebop]]'s death ([[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oujWuLFx7Ug video comparison]]), and having it be more 'dramatic' would null the shoutout.
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** There is no Texas in Runeterra. Therefore, he doesn't have a Texan accent within his universe. So!...it doesn't really matter. At least he doesn't sound like [[DawnOfWar Commander]] [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/DawnOfWar Boreale]]. Then, I'd complain about his accent.

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** There is no Texas in Runeterra. Therefore, he doesn't have a Texan accent within his universe. So!...it doesn't really matter. At least he doesn't sound like [[DawnOfWar [[VideoGame/DawnOfWar Commander]] [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/DawnOfWar [[YMMV/DawnOfWar Boreale]]. Then, I'd complain about his accent.
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** Losing is not fun in a MOBA. Any other multiplayer online game a round is 20 minutes at max, plenty of time to dust off and try to get another win if you lose your current game. A MOBA usually takes 45 minutes minimum. Like Tycho of PennyArcade said, the fact that you have to spend fifteen minutes farming stretches out the length and emotional investment of a multiplayer game far longer than it should, which makes losing worse, which in turn makes the community more resentful and angry. It essentially means that at any given time, half of the player base feels like they just wasted an hour of their life. That brings out the worst in people for obvious reasons, to a higher degree than any other genre.

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** Losing is not fun in a MOBA. Any other multiplayer online game a round is 20 minutes at max, plenty of time to dust off and try to get another win if you lose your current game. A MOBA usually takes 45 minutes minimum. Like Tycho of PennyArcade ''Webcomic/PennyArcade'' said, the fact that you have to spend fifteen minutes farming stretches out the length and emotional investment of a multiplayer game far longer than it should, which makes losing worse, which in turn makes the community more resentful and angry. It essentially means that at any given time, half of the player base feels like they just wasted an hour of their life. That brings out the worst in people for obvious reasons, to a higher degree than any other genre.
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*** Only for training games. Co-op vs. AI games do count towards wins.

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*** Only for training games. Co-op vs. vs AI games do don't count towards wins.as wins (or as "Normal" wins), but grant experience, and given that many players generally stick with Co-op vs AI matches while they're new and learning the game and its various champions, it's very possible for someone to only play a couple PVP matches but rank up to level 20 through PVE.
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** I was actually excited to see that her eyes had turned blue. Give Ahri's backstory/lore a read: she's a gumiho ''trying to become more human/moral.'' The legend of the gumiho states that if a gumiho can go 1000 days without eating a human, it will turn into a pure-hearted creature (or even become human itself). This December 11th, 2014 will mark Ahri's 3-year anniversary of joining the league. 3 years = 1095 days. It's hounestly FridgeBrilliance when you realize that Riot ''acknowledged'' this passage of time in A New Dawn. TL;DR her eyes were yellow when she joined the league, now they're blue, to show that she's become a good person (or is very close to being one).

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** I was actually excited to see that her eyes had turned blue. Give Ahri's backstory/lore a read: she's a gumiho ''trying to become more human/moral.'' The legend of the gumiho states that if a the (naturally pretty ChaoticNeutral) gumiho can go 1000 days without eating a human, it will turn into a pure-hearted creature (or even become human itself). This December 11th, 2014 will mark Ahri's 3-year anniversary of joining the league. 3 years = 1095 days. It's hounestly FridgeBrilliance when you realize that Riot ''acknowledged'' this passage of time in A New Dawn. TL;DR her eyes were yellow when she joined the league, now they're blue, to show that she's become a good person (or is very close to being one).
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** I was actually excited to see that her eyes had turned blue. Give Ahri's backstory/lore a read: she's a gumiho ''trying to become more human/moral.'' The legend of the gumiho states that if a gumiho can go 1000 days without eating a human, it will turn into a pure-hearted creature (or even become human itself). This December 11th, 2014 will mark Ahri's 3-year anniversary of joining the league. 3 years = 1095 days. It's hounestly FridgeBrilliance when you realize that Riot ''acknowledged'' this passage of time in A New Dawn. TL;DR her eyes were yellow when she joined the league, now they're blue.

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** I was actually excited to see that her eyes had turned blue. Give Ahri's backstory/lore a read: she's a gumiho ''trying to become more human/moral.'' The legend of the gumiho states that if a gumiho can go 1000 days without eating a human, it will turn into a pure-hearted creature (or even become human itself). This December 11th, 2014 will mark Ahri's 3-year anniversary of joining the league. 3 years = 1095 days. It's hounestly FridgeBrilliance when you realize that Riot ''acknowledged'' this passage of time in A New Dawn. TL;DR her eyes were yellow when she joined the league, now they're blue.blue, to show that she's become a good person (or is very close to being one).
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** I was actually excited to see that her eyes had turned blue. Give Ahri's backstory/lore a read: she's a gumiho ''trying to become more human/moral.'' The legend of the gumiho states that if a gumiho can go 1000 days without eating a human, it will turn into a pure-hearted creature (or even become human itself). This December 11th, 2014 will mark Ahri's 3-year anniversary of joining the league. 3 years = 1095 days. It's hounestly FridgeBrilliance.

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** I was actually excited to see that her eyes had turned blue. Give Ahri's backstory/lore a read: she's a gumiho ''trying to become more human/moral.'' The legend of the gumiho states that if a gumiho can go 1000 days without eating a human, it will turn into a pure-hearted creature (or even become human itself). This December 11th, 2014 will mark Ahri's 3-year anniversary of joining the league. 3 years = 1095 days. It's hounestly FridgeBrilliance.FridgeBrilliance when you realize that Riot ''acknowledged'' this passage of time in A New Dawn. TL;DR her eyes were yellow when she joined the league, now they're blue.
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* Why are Ahri's eyes blue in A New Dawn? They're yellow. They've always been yellow. I can't find a single piece of official artwork, and only a very small handful of unofficial pieces, where her eyes ''aren't'' yellow. So why did they turn blue for the cinematic? Is it really that hard to glance at the splash art of one of your most popular and beloved characters before you start making a 3D model of her?

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* Why are Ahri's eyes blue in A New Dawn? They're yellow. They've always been yellow. I can't find a single piece of official artwork, and only a very small handful of unofficial pieces, where her eyes ''aren't'' yellow. So why did they turn blue for the cinematic? Is it really that hard to glance at the splash art of one of your most popular and beloved characters before you start making a 3D model of her?her?
** I was actually excited to see that her eyes had turned blue. Give Ahri's backstory/lore a read: she's a gumiho ''trying to become more human/moral.'' The legend of the gumiho states that if a gumiho can go 1000 days without eating a human, it will turn into a pure-hearted creature (or even become human itself). This December 11th, 2014 will mark Ahri's 3-year anniversary of joining the league. 3 years = 1095 days. It's hounestly FridgeBrilliance.
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* Why are Ahri's eyes blue in A New Dawn? They're yellow. They've always been yellow. I can't find a single piece of official artwork, and only a very small handful of unofficial pieces, where her eyes ''aren't'' yellow. so why did they turn blue for the cinematic? Is it really that hard to glance at the splash art of one of your most popular and beloved characters before you start making a 3D model of her?

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* Why are Ahri's eyes blue in A New Dawn? They're yellow. They've always been yellow. I can't find a single piece of official artwork, and only a very small handful of unofficial pieces, where her eyes ''aren't'' yellow. so So why did they turn blue for the cinematic? Is it really that hard to glance at the splash art of one of your most popular and beloved characters before you start making a 3D model of her?
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* How is it possible that Caitlyn's hat NEVER left her head? Even some hat-user like Miss Fortune had her hat fell off when she died, but Caitlyn? Her hat sticks in her head even as she fell down and die. How??

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* How is it possible that Caitlyn's hat NEVER left her head? Even some hat-user like Miss Fortune had her hat fell off when she died, but Caitlyn? Her hat sticks in her head even as she fell down and die. How??How??
*Why are Ahri's eyes blue in A New Dawn? They're yellow. They've always been yellow. I can't find a single piece of official artwork, and only a very small handful of unofficial pieces, where her eyes ''aren't'' yellow. so why did they turn blue for the cinematic? Is it really that hard to glance at the splash art of one of your most popular and beloved characters before you start making a 3D model of her?
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**** ALL of Malphite is turned to stone, most (if not all) items have meaningful names, Teemo's dart inflicts blindness which somehow causes Lee Sin to miss attacks despite being blind already, Brand summoned fire on his vessel body during his Judgment and was unaffected, the silenced indicator shows an ellipsis to show the enemy has been silenced vocally and magically, the developers confirmed Taric is gay and you need blood to lose blood, or else Vladimir can one up the "water from stone" saying by pulling blood out of stone around Malphite.
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*** Carries should only greed a kill if they are underfed or 200ish gold short of an important item. While carries do require kill gold to maintain a strong presence throughout the game, 4 strong teammates are better than 1 really strong teammate and 3 not so strong teammates.

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*** Carries should only greed a kill if they are underfed or 200ish gold short of an important item. While carries do require kill gold to maintain a strong presence throughout the game, 4 strong teammates are better than 1 really strong teammate and 3 not so strong teammates.teammates.

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* How is it possible that Caitlyn's hat NEVER left her head? Even some hat-user like Miss Fortune had her hat fell off when she died, but Caitlyn? Her hat sticks in her head even as she fell down and die. How??
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******* This is kind of an unfair calling for {{Dota 2}} and this is coming from someone who ''loves'' both DOTA and League. Basically is, due to it being a free to play game, even little kids that hasn't developed the mental fortitude to keep their cool will be a LOT more abundant in these kinds of games. It doesn't matter if it's ranked or normal, if it's DOTA or League, they WILL think they're the best player ever, they demand honor/commend when finishing the game well, or start flaming when things don't go their way, not realizing that games like this are supposed to be a fun experience. Not everyone who play this game are demanded to become professional champions, they were too intoxicated with the thought of losing is just showing how bad they are rather than experience for them to get better. DOTA is thought to be a lot more punishing than League and it is true, but in fact, here and now, there are ALWAYS people who are casual in DOTA, makes playing and learning there just as fun as it is in League. And vice versa, as stated, there's even League players that are just extremely toxic and pissy it makes DOTA fandom look like angels. You can throw the same thing to VideoGame/HeroesOfNewerth... or even VideoGame/{{Smite}}, but one truth remains: It's the stigma of MOBA games, especially free to play ones that you will find these kind of brats if you play online, so you need to be prepared mentally for this. You can also find yourself some IRL friends that share interest so you can form a team and won't have to deal with these guys anymore, in fact, usually college dudes or working people who like playing these games certainly came off more affable and less toxic because of their developed mentalities. Bottom line: Toxic guys, StopHavingFunGuys and pissy guys are the bread and butter of online games. You need to deal with them daily.
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*** Cass petrifies the supernatural whatsit that allows Malphite's parts to move, "sunfire" is just a dramatic title, Teemo's dart is both loud and possibly has other toxic side effects, Brand is hurt by fire the way we're hurt by the fists of other humans, Silence spells prevent the enemy from acting, having little to do with actual sound, Taric could very well be CampStraight, and champions without blood still have inner workings to be damaged.

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** Why does Cassiopeia's petrifying ultimate have the same effects on Malphite, a sentient stone, as it does an organic champion? Why does an enemy's Sunfire Cape hurt Leona, the representation of the Sun? How does Teemo's blinding dart do anything to Lee Sin, the already blind monk? Why do silences do anything to Sona, an already mute champion? Why does Ignite hurt Brand, a being of fire, at all? Why does Ahri's Charm work on Taric, a homosexual champion? How do champions without blood get affected by bleeding damage? And so on.

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** Why does Cassiopeia's petrifying ultimate have the same effects on Malphite, a sentient stone, as it does an organic champion? Why does an enemy's Sunfire Cape hurt Leona, the representation of the Sun? How does Teemo's blinding dart do anything to Lee Sin, the already blind monk? Why do silences do anything to Sona, an already mute champion? Why does Ignite hurt Brand, a being of fire, at all? Why does Ahri's Charm work on Taric, a homosexual champion? How do champions without blood get affected by bleeding damage? And so on. on.
*** It has been confirmed the Teemo's blinding dart is also incredibly loud.
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** Ahri's death sounds in general to those who don't know her lore or understand the symbolism behind it. Some are still a bit over the top.

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** Ahri's death sounds in general to those who don't know her lore or understand her character can be a huge head scratcher to people who have met her for the symbolism behind it. Some are still a bit over the top.first time.
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** Ahri's death sounds in general to those who don't know her lore or understand the symbolism behind it. Some are still a bit over the top.
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** He also received his powers via a type of experiment, while the more non-human magical looking champions like Janna and Ryze developed their powers over their own will or magical exposure.

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* There are certain things in game that make little to no sense at all aside from a [[GameplayAndStorySegregation Gameplay and Story Segregation]] point of view.
** Why does Cassiopeia's petrifying ultimate have the same effects on Malphite, a sentient stone, as it does an organic champion? Why does an enemy's Sunfire Cape hurt Leona, the representation of the Sun? How does Teemo's blinding dart do anything to Lee Sin, the already blind monk? Why do silences do anything to Sona, an already mute champion? Why does Ignite hurt Brand, a being of fire, at all? Why does Ahri's Charm work on Taric, a homosexual champion? How do champions without blood get affected by bleeding damage? And so on.
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* Perhaps one of the worst aspects of the game is when a player KS's (kill steals) another player. Depending on how the person who nearly got the kill is, s/he may not care at all or care that they went from getting a kill to only an assist. This gives birth to numerous issues if the KS'd player is not okay with having their kill taken. KSing can be intentional but can also be unintentional.

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* Perhaps one of the worst aspects of the game is when a player KS's (kill steals) another player. Depending on how the person who nearly got the kill is, s/he may not care at all or care that they went from getting a kill to only an assist. This gives birth to numerous issues if the KS'd player is not okay with having their kill taken. KSing Taking kills can be intentional but can also be unintentional. unintentional, as many a support likely discovered early in their time with League.
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******* You are, lucky that is. Please find someone knowledgeable to help/train you a bit before you attempt ranked games. You'll thank me, trust me on this...

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******* You are, lucky that is. Please find someone knowledgeable to help/train you a bit before you attempt ranked games. You'll thank me, trust me on this...this...
* Perhaps one of the worst aspects of the game is when a player KS's (kill steals) another player. Depending on how the person who nearly got the kill is, s/he may not care at all or care that they went from getting a kill to only an assist. This gives birth to numerous issues if the KS'd player is not okay with having their kill taken. KSing can be intentional but can also be unintentional.
** Do note that there are strategic reasons a person should consider when thinking about taking or leaving a kill.
*** If someone is underfed and you are not then it might be wise to let them take the kill. Should their score resemble 1/4/2 at 15 minutes in then it might be best to let them get the kill so he can win his lane easier and not be a weak link for the team.
*** A fed jungler is a risky investment. Doing so deprives lanes of their max gold immediately but the jungler may gank again and net said lane a kill or two later on, making it more than worthwhile. Strong junglers can quickly turn a match since they roam the map and assist the entire team.
*** As a rule, supports should rarely get kills and allow other teammates to grow stronger from getting fed. And if your carry lacks the health or gumption to tower dive to hit a Leona under it with 5 health and you have 75% of your health or more, get that auto-attack in. Assist gold for your carry is better than no gold. Just be mindful of your surroundings...
*** Carries should only greed a kill if they are underfed or 200ish gold short of an important item. While carries do require kill gold to maintain a strong presence throughout the game, 4 strong teammates are better than 1 really strong teammate and 3 not so strong teammates.

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*** Only for training games. Co-op vs. AI games do couut towards wins.

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** The answer is in the item description: various shoes increase ''movement'' speed, not just running speed.



** Sion is already dead, so that's kind of a moot point. For Draven, his death is supposed to be a shoutout to Liquid Ocelot, and having it be more 'dramatic' would null the shoutout.
** Well at least the rectify Eternum Nocturne's fear of death. Compared to Nocturne' former death sound he is much calmer.

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** Sion is already dead, dead. And if Urgot's selection quote ("Eternal life, endless torment") is any indication, those who undergo the process Sion and Urgot went through exist in pain, so that's kind death might be a release of a moot point. sorts. For Draven, his death is supposed to be a shoutout to either [[MetalGear Liquid Ocelot, Ocelot]] or [[CowboyBebop Cowboy Bebop]]'s death ([[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oujWuLFx7Ug video comparison]]), and having it be more 'dramatic' would null the shoutout.
** Well at least the rectify they rectified Eternum Nocturne's fear of death. Compared to Nocturne' former His current death sound he is much calmer.
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** More importantly, not only is Annie a burst mage but she is one of the strongest in the game, especially late game. Leading the aforementioned combination with the active of the Deathfire Grasp makes Annie capable of destroying just about anything in seconds. Couple all that power with her passive ability to stun a champion and new or inexperienced players might react with shock.
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* How does wearing a pair of shoes increase the running speed of Champions that don't touch the ground, but rather fly/levitate around the field?

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