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* On the subject of Wekapipo's death, how come when Diego gets caught between the two Wekapipos, the alternate Wekapipo goes through with him? Wouldn't ''he'' have needed to been caught between two objects as well?well?
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* So when a person gets put in another dimension by D4C and [[NeverTheSelvesShallMeet comes into contact with their alternate dimension counterpart]], then both of them will be obliterated. What I'm wondering is if that includes their souls as well (which isn't out of the question given Johnny implied his soul would've been destroyed by his infinite rotation). Valentine mentions that "No person can exist as 'two of the same person' in 'the same world'", Johnny tells Gyro that Wekapipo "no longer exists in this world". Do they both just mean physically exist, or are we supposed to assume that Wekapipo is DeaderThanDead?
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* So when a person gets put in another dimension by D4C and [[NeverTheSelvesShallMeet comes into contact with their alternate dimension counterpart]], then both of them will be obliterated. What I'm wondering is if that includes their souls as well (which isn't out of the question given Johnny implied his soul would've been destroyed by his infinite rotation). Valentine mentions that "No person can exist as 'two of the same person' in 'the same world'", Johnny tells Gyro that Wekapipo "no longer exists in this world". Do they both just mean physically exist, or are we supposed to assume that Wekapipo is DeaderThanDead?
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** Magenta and Wekapipo are the equivalent to Dire (Wekapipo) and Straitz (Magenta). Wekapipo uses a Zepelli technique, joins the heroes, and gets killed by Dio.
* What does Magenta Magenta have in common with Kars other than their fates? The Jojo wiki lists him as the SBR world's equivalent to Kars, but how?
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* What does Magenta Magenta have in common withCars Kars other than their fates? The Jojo wiki lists him as the SBR world's equivalent to Cars, Kars, but how?
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** Its also possible that, while the corpse parts only exist in our universe, similar stand granting items take there place in the other universes, allowing for the exact same events to unfold just instead of a mummified eyeball your absorbing a magic emerald or something
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** Too difficult. Remember that one doesn't just go out with the purpose to find a corpse part, the corpse part chooses you as its bearer and in exchange, grants you a Stand. Valentine decided that, since he was chosen by the corpse part, other people could do it too, so it's just easy to let them recollect the parts and then steal them.
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** Johnny isn't the only Joestar without the trademark birthmark. In fact, neither Jonathan nor Joseph had it until Stardust Crusaders was written. The star-shaped birthmark didn't exist until then, and in that case, it only justified why both Jotaro and Joseph could sense DIO. The anime makes it seem like it was there since Jonathan.
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** His birthmark might be represented as the star-shaped symbols on hands as he activates Tusk.
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** On his own, no. D4C operates under a limited scope of the Multiverse Theory, in which case there are a few constants. His father's death is one such constant, and as such he is limited to his own timeline. Eyes of Heaven has shown that with Heaven!Dio's assistance, he indeed can, but that is out of the scope of D4C normally.
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** On his own, no. D4C [=D4C=] operates under a limited scope of the Multiverse Theory, in which case there are a few constants. His father's death is one such constant, and as such he is limited to his own timeline. Eyes of Heaven has shown that with Heaven!Dio's assistance, he indeed can, but that is out of the scope of D4C [=D4C=] normally.
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** On his own, no. D4C operates under a limited scope of the Multiverse Theory, in which case there are a few constants. His father's death is one such constant, and as such he is limited to his own timeline. Eyes of Heaven has shown that with Heaven!Dio's assistance, he indeed can, but that is out of the scope of D4C normally.normally.
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** If it helps at all, according to the Jorge Joestar light novel, The Saint Corpse might not actually belong to Jesus, but to Dio from the original timeline.
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** On his own, no. D4C operates under a limited scope of the Multiverse Theory, in which case there are a few constants. His father's death is one such constant, and as such he is limited to his own timeline. Eyes of Heaven has shown that with Heaven!Dio's assistance, he indeed can, but that is out of the scope of D4C normally.
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* Okay, so how exactly is Steel Ball Run related to the main [=JoJo=] universe? Is it an alternate reality? Is it the new history that was created after [[spoiler:Pucci's]] universe reset? Is it just happening at the same time as Part 1, but with characters that coincidentally have similar names? So confusing...
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* Okay, so how exactly is Steel Ball Run related to the main [=JoJo=] universe? Is it an alternate reality? Is it the new history that was created after [[spoiler:Pucci's]] Pucci's universe reset? Is it just happening at the same time as Part 1, but with characters that coincidentally have similar names? So confusing...
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* What does Magenta Magenta have in common with Cars other than [[spoiler:their fates]]? their fates? The Jojo wiki lists him as the SBR world's equivalent to Cars, but how?
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** There is also the precedent of this conspiracy theory that Jesus decided to sail all the way to Japan to live a quiet life and died in Shingo, so that could have been an inspiration for Araki.
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** There is also the precedent of this conspiracy theory that Jesus decided to sail all the way to Japan to live a quiet life and died in Shingo, so that could have been an inspiration for Araki.
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** Who said the corpse was the only way in the multiverse to get a stand? Even in the old universe, plenty of people were simply born with stands. The arrow wasn't always necessary.
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** Who said the corpse was the only way in the multiverse to get a stand? Even in the old universe, plenty of people were simply born with stands. The arrow wasn't always necessary.necessary.
* Could Valentine potentially reach the timeline of Parts 1-6?
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*** [[WordOfGod Araki]] has confirmed it's a completely different universe.
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Stating the truth behind a very common misconception about the roles of Jesus Christ in the Book of Mormon and Steel Ball Run. This has actually been bothering me for a very long time.
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*** Not necessarily. The Mormon take on resurrection means that the body is perfected and free from death; There would be no corpse to leave behind.
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*** He might have one, but it wasn't shown. Josuke (Part 4) wasn't shown having one either, except for in the anime.
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*** He might have one, but it wasn't shown. Josuke (Part 4) wasn't shown having one either, except for in the anime.anime.
* What exactly did president Valentine need to organize the Steel Ball Run for? Why bring in thousands of racers to muck things up, when he could've just have travelled across the continent to search the corpse parts at his own leisure, without anyone bothering him?
** Too dangerous. The corpse parts put people on trial for their possession. Valentine is not sure he can pass all 8 or how many they are, maybe because he thinks he is no longer worthy. Besides it is alwyas easier to trick a cowboy that Jesus (jojo makes you write the craziest things).
* If you need to be exposed to a corpse part to gain a stand, how did AU!Dio have「THE WORLD」when brought by Valentine from a universe where the corpse doesn't exist?
** Because the Corpse isn't required for Stands. It simply works similar to the Arrow and makes you develop a stand (and completely failed to generate a stand in Lucy, only letting her borrow it's power to protect itself). Johnny had some level of Tusk in every world Valentine visited since it was born from Mastering the Spin (though the corpse did allow him to use Acts he wasn't skilled enough yet to use naturally). Mountain Tim, Mrs. Robinson, Boom-Boom Family, Sandman, Axl RO all gained their stands from wandering into the Devil's Palm and living (but weren't deemed worthy of carrying a Corpse Part). Oyecomava apparently developed his stand naturally in his younger days as a revolutionary and assassin in Italy as did Pocoloco (assuming Hey Ya! is actually Pocoloco's stand and not Not-Enya's that automatically attaches to people she senses will have great luck)and Ringo. Mike O and Blackmoore aren't explained where their stands came from.
** Who said the corpse was the only way in the multiverse to get a stand? Even in the old universe, plenty of people were simply born with stands. The arrow wasn't always necessary.
* What exactly did president Valentine need to organize the Steel Ball Run for? Why bring in thousands of racers to muck things up, when he could've just have travelled across the continent to search the corpse parts at his own leisure, without anyone bothering him?
** Too dangerous. The corpse parts put people on trial for their possession. Valentine is not sure he can pass all 8 or how many they are, maybe because he thinks he is no longer worthy. Besides it is alwyas easier to trick a cowboy that Jesus (jojo makes you write the craziest things).
* If you need to be exposed to a corpse part to gain a stand, how did AU!Dio have「THE WORLD」when brought by Valentine from a universe where the corpse doesn't exist?
** Because the Corpse isn't required for Stands. It simply works similar to the Arrow and makes you develop a stand (and completely failed to generate a stand in Lucy, only letting her borrow it's power to protect itself). Johnny had some level of Tusk in every world Valentine visited since it was born from Mastering the Spin (though the corpse did allow him to use Acts he wasn't skilled enough yet to use naturally). Mountain Tim, Mrs. Robinson, Boom-Boom Family, Sandman, Axl RO all gained their stands from wandering into the Devil's Palm and living (but weren't deemed worthy of carrying a Corpse Part). Oyecomava apparently developed his stand naturally in his younger days as a revolutionary and assassin in Italy as did Pocoloco (assuming Hey Ya! is actually Pocoloco's stand and not Not-Enya's that automatically attaches to people she senses will have great luck)and Ringo. Mike O and Blackmoore aren't explained where their stands came from.
** Who said the corpse was the only way in the multiverse to get a stand? Even in the old universe, plenty of people were simply born with stands. The arrow wasn't always necessary.
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* Why is Johnny the only Joestar without a star-shaped birthmark?
** This may be addressed in-universe in ''[=JoJolion=]''.
*** He might have one, but it wasn't shown. Josuke (Part 4) wasn't shown having one either, except for in the anime.
* Why is Johnny the only Joestar without a star-shaped birthmark?
** This may be addressed in-universe in ''[=JoJolion=]''.
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** AU Hot Pants was returned to her world at the same time that the AU Dio with her was. The original Hot Pants died just as Lucy Steel developed her Stand.
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** In the Book of Mormon Jesus visited the Americas after his resurrection, it's a pretty substantial part of it. Maybe here Mormons were right?
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** In the Book of Mormon Jesus visited the Americas after his resurrection, it's a pretty substantial part of it. Maybe here Mormons were right?right?
* What does Magenta Magenta have in common with Cars other than [[spoiler:their fates]]? The Jojo wiki lists him as the SBR world's equivalent to Cars, but how?
** Magenta and Wekapipo are the equivalent to Dire (Wekapipo) and Straitz (Magenta). Wekapipo uses a Zepelli technique, [[spoiler:joins the heroes, and gets killed by Dio]].
* When did Hot Pants die? I think it was AU Hot Pants. The real one was left behind.
** AU Hot Pants was returned to her world at the same time that the AU Dio with her was. The original Hot Pants died just as Lucy Steel developed her Stand.
* What does Magenta Magenta have in common with Cars other than [[spoiler:their fates]]? The Jojo wiki lists him as the SBR world's equivalent to Cars, but how?
** Magenta and Wekapipo are the equivalent to Dire (Wekapipo) and Straitz (Magenta). Wekapipo uses a Zepelli technique, [[spoiler:joins the heroes, and gets killed by Dio]].
* When did Hot Pants die? I think it was AU Hot Pants. The real one was left behind.
** AU Hot Pants was returned to her world at the same time that the AU Dio with her was. The original Hot Pants died just as Lucy Steel developed her Stand.
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* It seems that everybody in SBR has at least some passing knowledge about the bible, seeing as everybody can make the connection between corpse parts and a saint. Still, if by the end of the series it's quite obvious they belong to Jesus Christ, how come nobody asks just why are his body parts all over the U.S. if the bible states his death didn't quite take?
** Because that death happened on another continent, the corpse parts are from his death after reviving and living out the rest of his life.
** That's not necessarily true. Besides, the idea is to unite west and east; saint corpses are a Buddhist thing.
*** It makes sense how Jesus managed to get his body parts all over America, the narration makes that quite clear. Except nobody else knows, in-story.
*** No one knows that it is Jesus, Funny knows that it attracts people and that is all he cares.
** If it helps at all, according to the Jorge Joestar light novel, [[spoiler:The Saint Corpse might not actually belong to Jesus, but to Dio from the original timeline]]
** Medieval Christianity is filled with relics of saints - bones, corpses and other remains that are believed to heal the sick, bless pilgrims and the like. Someone could easily believe in a saint's corpse without assuming it belonged to Christ.
** In the Book of Mormon Jesus visited the Americas after his resurrection, it's a pretty substantial part of it. Maybe here Mormons were right?
* It seems that everybody in SBR has at least some passing knowledge about the bible, seeing as everybody can make the connection between corpse parts and a saint. Still, if by the end of the series it's quite obvious they belong to Jesus Christ, how come nobody asks just why are his body parts all over the U.S. if the bible states his death didn't quite take?
** Because that death happened on another continent, the corpse parts are from his death after reviving and living out the rest of his life.
** That's not necessarily true. Besides, the idea is to unite west and east; saint corpses are a Buddhist thing.
*** It makes sense how Jesus managed to get his body parts all over America, the narration makes that quite clear. Except nobody else knows, in-story.
*** No one knows that it is Jesus, Funny knows that it attracts people and that is all he cares.
** If it helps at all, according to the Jorge Joestar light novel, [[spoiler:The Saint Corpse might not actually belong to Jesus, but to Dio from the original timeline]]
** Medieval Christianity is filled with relics of saints - bones, corpses and other remains that are believed to heal the sick, bless pilgrims and the like. Someone could easily believe in a saint's corpse without assuming it belonged to Christ.
** In the Book of Mormon Jesus visited the Americas after his resurrection, it's a pretty substantial part of it. Maybe here Mormons were right?
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** Pretty certain it's the new history after the universal reset.
** Pretty certain it's the new history after the universal reset.
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