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**** Claiming that he's your avatar just makes this a whopping great YMMV. When I was playing, I imagined the hero as being somewhat chafed by all the rules and formality, and[[spoiler: by becoming mortal, he was free from that. ascending to a higher plain has it's perks,]] but adventuring is so much more ''fun''
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*** [[YourMileageMayVary Speak for yourself.]]
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***** And she was Queen of an Empire for 39 years before she was made Empress of India.
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* So you become mortal to fight the last boss, and presumably your Celestrian-ness is leaking throughout the last dungeon. By the time the ending rolls around you can no longer see the supernatural. So...how do you talk to the ghost in Porth Llaffan to figure out how to kick off the postgame?

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* So you become mortal to fight the last boss, and presumably your Celestrian-ness is leaking throughout the last dungeon. By the time the ending rolls around you can no longer see the supernatural. So...how do you talk to the ghost in Porth Llaffan to figure out how to kick off the postgame?postgame?
* For that matter, if Sterling is a divine engineer that disappears from your view along with Stella and the train...how was he able to lead the revolt (of mortals) in the Goretress?
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** Well Corvus didn't exactly ''disobey'' Zenus. He just nuked Heaven before anyone could tell him not to.



* Aside from the on-going mystery of the Gortress Guerillas (Digby on the tower has [[DarkAndTroubledPast 'nowhere to go back to']]?), one point about returning to the Gortress post-game: the ex-prisoners/random travellers have ''opened a restaurant''?!

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* Aside from the on-going mystery of the Gortress Guerillas (Digby on the tower has [[DarkAndTroubledPast 'nowhere to go back to']]?), one point about returning to the Gortress post-game: the ex-prisoners/random travellers have ''opened a restaurant''?!restaurant''?!
* So you become mortal to fight the last boss, and presumably your Celestrian-ness is leaking throughout the last dungeon. By the time the ending rolls around you can no longer see the supernatural. So...how do you talk to the ghost in Porth Llaffan to figure out how to kick off the postgame?
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** But that still makes no sense. Why would it be ranked only by power? By that logic, the hero should be above Apus Major as well. And I got the implication that Apus Major was put in his position by Zenus himself, so... how did Corvus go ''over God's head'' in that case? Hell, why did Corvus still count as a Celestrian? He'd lost his halo and wings, and he was more of a monster than anything else. Not to mention there's still the question of why the fygg wouldn't allow one to break that rule.
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** He's apologizing for keeping himself locked away, and making them worry about the man who saved them.

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** He's apologizing for keeping himself locked away, and making them worry about the man who saved them.them.
* Aside from the on-going mystery of the Gortress Guerillas (Digby on the tower has [[DarkAndTroubledPast 'nowhere to go back to']]?), one point about returning to the Gortress post-game: the ex-prisoners/random travellers have ''opened a restaurant''?!
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**** But not of ''Britain.''
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* The ending kinda got my goat. So let me get this straight, in order to finally defeat [[spoiler:Corvus]], I have to [[spoiler:demote myself to a mortal and sacrifice my opportunity to AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence, the way my character has lived their entire life for the chance to do, just so I can bypass my magical inability to attack a superior? And for my sacrifice, I'm condemned to [[RoamingTheEarth roam the Earth]] and right the wrongs with no foreseeable reward? And the Villain is redeemed, forgiven and gets to ascend and live happily ever after with his deceased girlfriend?]] [[FlatWhat What]].

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* The ending kinda got my goat. So let me get this straight, in order to finally defeat [[spoiler:Corvus]], I have to [[spoiler:demote myself to a mortal and sacrifice my opportunity to AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence, the way my character has lived their entire life for the chance to do, just so I can bypass my magical inability to attack a superior? And for my sacrifice, I'm condemned to [[RoamingTheEarth roam the Earth]] and right the wrongs with no foreseeable reward? And the Villain is redeemed, forgiven and gets to ascend and live happily ever after with his deceased girlfriend?]] [[FlatWhat What]].girlfriend?]]
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* Why does Doctor Phlegming have to apologize to the town? He was busy researching how to save their lives while they kept talking him down. If anything, they should apologize to him!

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* Why does Doctor Phlegming have to apologize to the town? He was busy researching how to save their lives while they kept talking him down. If anything, they should apologize to him!him!
** He's apologizing for keeping himself locked away, and making them worry about the man who saved them.
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** Aquila is also the guardian of the ''entire Proctrate'' while your guardian of one tiny village.

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** Aquila is also the guardian Guardian of the ''entire Proctrate'' Protectorate'' while your guardian you're just the Guardian of one tiny village.

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** Yeah, this bothered me too. So much so, that I thought the loss of the protagonist's wings and halo were actually his reward. I interpreted the Celestrian's 'salvation' as them being turned into mortals... at least until I found out otherwise. I figured that the Celestrians were corrupt mortals and were forced to serve mortals until they redeemed their actions, but were unable to remember what they did to deserve the punishment. I continued to believe this until the Reveal. This was supported by the fact Greygnarl's moster log entry states he dislikes Celestrians for some reason, but in-game he dislikes the smell of the [[spoiler:Gittish empire]]. This isn't a WMG because it's ultimately proven wrong, but honestly the game never does explain the protagonist's Cosmic Power Failure.

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** Yeah, this bothered me too. So much so, that I thought the loss of the protagonist's wings and halo were actually his reward. I interpreted the Celestrian's 'salvation' as them being turned into mortals... at least until I found out otherwise. I figured that the Celestrians were corrupt mortals and were forced to serve mortals until they redeemed their actions, but were unable to remember what they did to deserve the punishment. I continued to believe this until the Reveal. This was supported by the fact Greygnarl's moster monster log entry states he dislikes Celestrians for some reason, but in-game he dislikes the smell of the [[spoiler:Gittish empire]]. This isn't a WMG because it's ultimately proven wrong, but honestly the game never does explain the protagonist's Cosmic Power Failure.
** Actually, if you take a look, Corvus is missing his Halo- and one of the people you first talk to in the Observatory mentions that the Halo is where all of your power from the Almighty is stored.


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** Aquila is also the guardian of the ''entire Proctrate'' while your guardian of one tiny village.
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** Presumablly AM's comment that even he is ranked under the BigBad means he can't promote you that high.

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** Presumablly AM's comment that even he is ranked under the BigBad means he can't promote you that high.high.
*Why does Doctor Phlegming have to apologize to the town? He was busy researching how to save their lives while they kept talking him down. If anything, they should apologize to him!
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** Yeah, this bothered me too. So much so, that I thought the loss of the protagonist's wings and halo were actually his reward. I interpreted the Celestrian's 'salvation' as them being turned into mortals... at least until I found out otherwise. I figured that the Celestrians were corrupt mortals and were forced to serve mortals until they redeemed their actions, but were unable to remember what they did to deserve the punishment. I continued to believe this until the Reveal. This was supported by the fact Greygnarl's moster log entry states he dislikes Celestrians for some reason, but in-game he dislikes the smell of the [[spoiler:: Gittish empire]]. This isn't a WMG because it's ultimately proven wrong, but honestly the game never does explain the protagonist's Cosmic Power Failure.

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** Yeah, this bothered me too. So much so, that I thought the loss of the protagonist's wings and halo were actually his reward. I interpreted the Celestrian's 'salvation' as them being turned into mortals... at least until I found out otherwise. I figured that the Celestrians were corrupt mortals and were forced to serve mortals until they redeemed their actions, but were unable to remember what they did to deserve the punishment. I continued to believe this until the Reveal. This was supported by the fact Greygnarl's moster log entry states he dislikes Celestrians for some reason, but in-game he dislikes the smell of the [[spoiler:: Gittish [[spoiler:Gittish empire]]. This isn't a WMG because it's ultimately proven wrong, but honestly the game never does explain the protagonist's Cosmic Power Failure.
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*** Speak for yourself.

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*** [[YourMileageMayVary Speak for yourself.]]
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* Celestrians physically cannot defy their superiors... so, rather than eating a magic fruit that takes away your awesome supernatural powers, why not just have Apus Major promote you? At that point in the game the protagonist is pretty much the Guardian of the planet as it is, and they'd certainly done enough to earn it. Or, alternately, why not just wish on the fygg to simply be able to break that rule?

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* Celestrians physically cannot defy their superiors... so, rather than eating a magic fruit that takes away your awesome supernatural powers, why not just have Apus Major promote you? At that point in the game the protagonist is pretty much the Guardian of the planet as it is, and they'd certainly done enough to earn it. Or, alternately, why not just wish on the fygg to simply be able to break that rule?rule?
** Presumablly AM's comment that even he is ranked under the BigBad means he can't promote you that high.
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* Why are the "male" versions of the DQ3 hero's gear sex exclusive? Didn't the male and female hero share a sprite set (Read: both wear that outfit) until the remake?

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* Why are the "male" versions of the DQ3 hero's gear sex exclusive? Didn't the male and female hero share a sprite set (Read: both wear that outfit) until the remake?remake?
* Celestrians physically cannot defy their superiors... so, rather than eating a magic fruit that takes away your awesome supernatural powers, why not just have Apus Major promote you? At that point in the game the protagonist is pretty much the Guardian of the planet as it is, and they'd certainly done enough to earn it. Or, alternately, why not just wish on the fygg to simply be able to break that rule?
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** Same reason a male character needs a one of a kind magic trinket to don a skirt?

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** Same reason a male character needs a one of a kind magic trinket to don a skirt?skirt?
* Why are the "male" versions of the DQ3 hero's gear sex exclusive? Didn't the male and female hero share a sprite set (Read: both wear that outfit) until the remake?
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** Aquila is still older and was a Guardian longer than the player character, so maybe that's what they meant.
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*** Ahem. G'''inn'''y.
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Added a bit to the part with the inn/bankeeper\'s names... o3o

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*** I'm totally with the above troper. Did anyone else notice the use of "blimey" and "mates" in the beginning of the game?
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** When you first meet, Ginny mentions that Patty gave ''her'' the same "You can save the bar and us all!" speech when she first convinced her to sign on. So maybe she ''was'' running the inn/bar at first, and it just wasn't working out.



* Why does a female character need a one of a kind magic trinket to wear a pant-suit?

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* Why does a female character need a one of a kind magic trinket to wear a pant-suit?pant-suit?
** Same reason a male character needs a one of a kind magic trinket to don a skirt?
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** For that matter, [[InsurmountableWaistHeightFence the barrier is 2d and does nothing to prevent someone from just climbing the nearby ledge]]
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* The fight with Aquila is a hopless boss fight because celestialians can't attack their superiors. Except he's ''not'', the start of the game has you promoted to ''his exact rank'' (which he conceded, so the ''inverse'' should be true).

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* The fight with Aquila is a hopless boss fight because celestialians can't attack their superiors. Except he's ''not'', the start of the game has you promoted to ''his exact rank'' (which he conceded, so the ''inverse'' should be true).true).
* Why does a female character need a one of a kind magic trinket to wear a pant-suit?
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* Okay, so you need a fygg to turn you mortal so you can fight Corvus because Celestrians can't go against their superiors. Fine, I can accept that. The problem is that afterward, you need to find a second fygg to negate the first one. All the other fyggs could be removed without killing the entity that had consumed them. For that matter, even when one of the fyggs was cut up and eaten, you still recover the whole thing. So why can't you just give up the powers you gained in the first place?

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* Okay, so you need a fygg to turn you mortal so you can fight Corvus because Celestrians can't go against their superiors. Fine, I can accept that. The problem is that afterward, you need to find a second fygg to negate the first one. All the other fyggs could be removed without killing the entity that had consumed them. For that matter, even when one of the fyggs was cut up and eaten, you still recover the whole thing. So why can't you just give up the powers you gained in the first place?place?
* The fight with Aquila is a hopless boss fight because celestialians can't attack their superiors. Except he's ''not'', the start of the game has you promoted to ''his exact rank'' (which he conceded, so the ''inverse'' should be true).
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****Okay, so how about the Celestian who has magic dissociative identity disorder and his other three identities are solid? Or something?
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*** Her Majesty Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland Queen, Defender of the Faith, '''Empress of India'''.
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* The shields man, the ''shields''. First of all, the characters hold them wrong. They hold them so that the logo is facing the wrong way when they're in the blocking position, which really bugs me for some reason. Also, despite the fact that your character almost always has their weapon sheathed outside of combat, they never sheathe their shields; they're always just sitting there on their arms. Doesn't it get in the way? Speaking of getting in the way, during certain class abilities it shows the weapon missing from their hand, but the shield just ''stays there''. Why do the shields never move!? Why!? ''Why''!? '''WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY'''!!!!! *[[YourHeadASplode headsplosion]]*

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* The shields man, the ''shields''. First of all, the characters hold them wrong. They hold them so that the logo is facing the wrong way when they're in the blocking position, which really bugs me for some reason. Also, despite the fact that your character almost always has their weapon sheathed outside of combat, they never sheathe their shields; they're always just sitting there on their arms. Doesn't it get in the way? Speaking of getting in the way, during certain class abilities it shows the weapon missing from their hand, but the shield just ''stays there''. Why do the shields never move!? Why!? ''Why''!? '''WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY'''!!!!! *[[YourHeadASplode headsplosion]]*headsplosion]]*
* Okay, so you need a fygg to turn you mortal so you can fight Corvus because Celestrians can't go against their superiors. Fine, I can accept that. The problem is that afterward, you need to find a second fygg to negate the first one. All the other fyggs could be removed without killing the entity that had consumed them. For that matter, even when one of the fyggs was cut up and eaten, you still recover the whole thing. So why can't you just give up the powers you gained in the first place?
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** My theory is that they went off on their own, tripped, fell into a PlotHole and then ended up on the other side where you needed them.

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