History Headscratchers / DragonQuestIX

** Zenus was presumably missing [[note]]and by "missing" i mean "split into 10 {{Bonus Boss}}es"[[/note]] for a while now.

* If the {{Bonus Boss}}es are [[spoiler:the result of Corvus rebelling against Zenus, splitting him into ten fragments]], why do they claim to have been imprisoned for hundreds of years?

** Yeah, this bothered me too. So much so, that I thought the loss of the protagonist's wings and halo were actually his reward. I interpreted the Celestrian's 'salvation' as them being turned into mortals... at least until I found out otherwise. I figured that the Celestrians were corrupt mortals and were forced to serve mortals until they redeemed their actions, but were unable to remember what they did to deserve the punishment. I continued to believe this until the Reveal. This was supported by the fact Greygnarl's monster log entry states he dislikes Celestrians for some reason, but in-game he dislikes the smell of the [[spoiler:Gittish empire]]. This isn't a WMG because it's ultimately proven wrong, but honestly the game never does explain the protagonist's Cosmic Power Failure.

* Can anyone tell me what was up with Batsureg's naming theme? In a game filled to the brim with {{Incredibly Lame Pun}}s, all that had to mean something, but it just looked like foreign-ish gibberish to me.

*** [[{{AFGNCAAP}} The hero is the player's avatar]]. ''I'' wanted to [[spoiler:AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence]]. Though I suppose the postgame spelunking and legacy bosses and whatnot are pretty badass.

* If the BonusBosses are [[spoiler:the result of Corvus rebelling against Zenus, splitting him into ten fragments]], why do they claim to have been imprisoned for hundreds of years?

** Shut up, its [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming heartwarming]]. >:O

*** Okay, so how about the Celestian who has magic dissociative identity disorder and their other three identities are solid? Or something?

* How were the party members able to get through the barriers in Gortress without getting hurt? TheHero was able to pass through because of the Gittish Seal he had, but the party members didn't have one of their own.

*** Okay, so how about the Celestian who has magic dissociative identity disorder and his other three identities are solid? Or something?

** Plus, it's a classic [[spoiler: HeroicSacrifice]] scenario combined with [[spoiler: AndTheAdventureContinues]]. Also, ''Dragon Quest Battle Road'' shows IX's Hero as [[spoiler: a Celestrian]], so you could always reason that [[spoiler: he eventually earns his full powers back]].
** And who's to say this isn't exactly what the hero wanted? He has [[OCStandIn no stated motive]], but he's often described as being pure of heart. He may have enjoyed his job protecting mortals more than the perks of his position, and come to love the "wander the Earth as a hero" bit even more. [[spoiler:And since it was a Fygg that made him mortal, he could have theoretically used the post-game Fygg to become a Celestrian again. Instead, he just wished to be able to see the Starflight Crew again.]]

*** Claiming that he's your avatar just makes this a whopping great YMMV. When I was playing, I imagined the hero as being somewhat chafed by all the rules and formality, and[[spoiler: by becoming mortal, he was free from that. ascending to a higher plain has it's perks,]] but adventuring is so much more ''fun''

** based on the way the game acts, those who have Celestrian powers seem able to share them, but only if nobody higher ranked minds. The party vanishes when getting involved with other Celestials all through the game, [[spoiler: but not after the Hero becomes mortal, or after he regains his powers. In the first case, the hero no longer has a rank. In the second, there is nobody else left with a rank.]]

** They apparently catch up to you after you land... "Your friends come into view". Maybe they just ride in the caboose, though. [[PeterPan Or Stella can do the whole pixie dust thing]].

* I thought that Marionette snapping at the PlayerCharacter was a bit weird, because 1-She questioned them about "coming for Marion", when in no point did they or Stella imply she wasn't the real one, and 2-She wants to keep them away, but at the same time refuses them to borrow the ship, basically forcing them to stick around. Then it hit me: among Marion's last words she said "The Celestrians are coming for me". Cue a Clestrian (which she can tell because of the fygg, probably) showing up not long after that. Did she think they were going to dig up her tomb or something?

** They probably ''were'' imprisoned hundreds of years ago in the book in Gittingham Palace by the Supreme Sage, as Tyrannosaurus Wrecks suggested. But this troper doesn't think that it was ever explicitly stated that they or their formation were [[spoiler:the result of Corvus's rebellion. It may have something to do with Celestria; after all, Atlas seems to be talking directly to her or at least about her ("WHY YOU TURN INTO TREE?!?").]]

** Maybe they were distracted by seeing what ''you'' were going through? Or intimidated? Or GenreSavvy enough to recognize a HopelessBossFight when they see it?

* If the BonusBosses are [[spoiler:the result of Corvus rebelling against Zenus, splitting him into ten fragments]], why do they claim to have been imprisoned for hundreds of years?

** Zenus was presumably missing [[hottip:*:and by "missing" i mean "split into 10 {{Bonus Boss}}es"]] for a while now.

** Perhaps Pavo herself is from an alternate universe and not bound to the same fate?

* And what about Pavo who should have {{Ascend|ToAHigherPlaneOfExistence}}ed but is still maintaining the Raportal at Stormway. How is that possible?

* And what about Pavo who should have {{Ascend|ToAHigherPlaceOfExistence}}ed but is still maintaining the Raportal at Stormway. How is that possible?

* And what about Pavo who should have {{Ascend|ToAHighrtPlaceOfExistence}}ed but is still maintaining the Raportal at Stormway. How is that possible?

** Ghosts can appear to mortals sometimes. I think that was mentioned once, or at least implied. Furthermore, it is mentioned/implied in the same vein that certain mortals can sense them, and your avatar would certainly count. As for Sterling, it should be noted he was cast down as well. the invisibility of a celestial being is tied into the almighty's power. In the case of Celestials, this means it comes from their Halo, and it's loss makes them vissible. presumably Sterling's was his whistle or some other token he lost in the gortress and got back later.

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** Zenus was presumably missing [[hottip:read:split into 10 {{Bonus Boss}}es]] for a while now.

** Even [[spoiler: Celestria is surprised to see you back in the Realm of Almighty after eating the ninth fygg. Which means that even the Yggdrasil Tree didn't know about the final fygg.]]

** Unfortunately, GrandfatherClause will do that to a fanbase. Always knowing "exp to next level" was considered an unnecessary form of cheating when DQ1 was released, and Enix has stuck to tradition ever since. Combined with the RuinedForever and UnpleasableFanbase issues and yes, you have a pissy fanbase who claims [[NostalgiaFilter "it's oldskool so it's awesome!"]]

* For that matter, if Sterling is a divine engineer that disappears from your view along with Stella and the train...how was he able to lead the revolt (of mortals) in the Goretress?