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* Mark's win-win plan to bring an end to the ExpendableClone industry on Jackson's Whole. The Durona Group's current FountainOfYouth project would be a ''lot'' more appealing to otherwise amoral clients that might be squeamish about having their brains cut out of their skulls in a potentially fatal transplant into a younger clone body, even if the Durona's can currently only regress someone from old age to middle age. Plus, the competition this will create in the market will force the Jacksonian Houses to try to come up with comparable, or better, treatments of this sort in the face of the marketing argument that it is safer to make your own body younger than to try getting your brain put into a new one. Thus, even if the Houses stay in this business, the clone side of it will likely become less and less popular. Which is what Mark really wants.

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* Mark's win-win plan to bring an end to the ExpendableClone industry on Jackson's Whole. The Durona Group's current FountainOfYouth project would be a ''lot'' more appealing to otherwise amoral clients that might be squeamish about having their brains cut out of their skulls in a potentially fatal transplant into a younger clone body, even if the Durona's Duronas can currently only regress someone from old age to middle age. Plus, the competition this will create in the market will force the Jacksonian Houses to try to come up with comparable, or better, treatments of this sort in the face of the marketing argument that it is safer to make your own body younger than to try getting your brain put into a new one. Thus, even if the Houses stay in this business, the clone side of it will likely become less and less popular. Which is what Mark really wants.



** It doesn't hurt that Ivan is acquainted with members of the Star Creche, who are one tiny tick under Fletchir Gaija himself in political power in Cetaganda.
* In ''The Vor Game'' Miles describes Lazkowski Base as "...The average IQ equalled the mean temperature in degrees cee, there wasn't a woman for five hundred kilometers in any direction and ''the base commander was a homicidal psychotic.''" Aral responds that it sounds just the same as the last time he was there. The last time Aral was there, ''he'' was the base commander.
* It seems a little strange that Gregor would promise so much to Nikki in ''A Civil Campaign''. Yes, it involves his foster-brother Miles, and yes, it's partly because it involves high level security dealing with Komarr and Barrayar, but one realizes that Gregor ''identifies'' with Nikki -- a mentally unstable father and a harassed, devoted MamaBear who has an unwanted suitor, exactly like Prince Serg, Princess Kareen and Vidal Vordarian. Nikki probably gives him very uncomfortable flashbacks to when he was five.
* LMB said that Miles' basic situation is the most horrible thing that could happen to him. I couldn't understand why, because he's still wealthy and privileged. Then I realized he's also ''conspicuous''. If he had been born in somewhere like Silvy Vale, he would've been disposed of quietly, or led a life of quiet desperation (and ostracization). As Aral's son, Miles is quite possibly ''the most famous living mutant in the Imperium''. He not only has to live up to his (and the world's) inflated image of his father and family, but people keep making assumptions of nepotism. Not to mention the painful medical treatments and physical therapy. And his high status ''did'' get him killed (temporarily), it just took a while.

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** It doesn't hurt that Ivan is acquainted with members of the Star Creche, Crèche, who are one tiny tick under Fletchir Gaija Giaja himself in political power in Cetaganda.
* In ''The Vor Game'' Miles describes Lazkowski Base as "...The average IQ equalled equaled the mean temperature in degrees cee, there wasn't a woman for five hundred kilometers in any direction and ''the base commander was a homicidal psychotic.''" Aral responds that it sounds just the same as the last time he was there. The last time Aral was there, ''he'' was the base commander.
* It seems a little strange that Gregor would promise so much to Nikki in ''A Civil Campaign''. Yes, it involves his foster-brother Miles, and yes, it's partly because it involves high level high-level security dealing with Komarr and Barrayar, but one realizes that Gregor ''identifies'' with Nikki -- a mentally unstable father and a harassed, devoted MamaBear who has an unwanted suitor, exactly like Prince Serg, Princess Kareen and Vidal Vordarian. Nikki probably gives him very uncomfortable flashbacks to when he was five.
* LMB said that Miles' basic situation is the most horrible thing that could happen to him. I couldn't understand why, because he's still wealthy and privileged. Then I realized he's also ''conspicuous''. If he had been born in somewhere like Silvy Vale, he would've been disposed of quietly, or led a life of quiet desperation (and ostracization).ostracism). As Aral's son, Miles is quite possibly ''the most famous living mutant in the Imperium''. He not only has to live up to his (and the world's) inflated image of his father and family, but people keep making assumptions of nepotism. Not to mention the painful medical treatments and physical therapy. And his high status ''did'' get him killed (temporarily), it just took a while.
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* FridgeSadness: Imagine Miles giving his report to Gregor after ''Komarr'': One stupid and insensitive Vor with a mutation in his genes, abusive of his wife and neglectfull of his son, looked down on people and always wanted a shortcut to success, killed while committing a crime. The wife, isolated from her family, survived because she focused all her energy on the son, now liberated by husband's death. The boy inherited father's mutation, wants to be a jump-ship pilot. Tien, Ekaterin and Nikki; or Serg, Kareen and Gregor?

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* FridgeSadness: Imagine Miles giving his report to Gregor after ''Komarr'': One stupid and insensitive Vor with a mutation in his genes, abusive of his wife and neglectfull neglectful of his son, looked down on people and always wanted a shortcut to success, killed while committing a crime. The wife, isolated from her family, survived because she focused all her energy on the son, now liberated by husband's death. The boy inherited father's mutation, wants to be a jump-ship pilot. Tien, Ekaterin and Nikki; or Serg, Kareen and Gregor?



** Except that Russian noble tradition was systematically destroyed by Soviets.

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** Except that the Russian noble tradition was systematically destroyed by the Soviets.



** On top of this, most of the characters we see strongly favoring replicator birth later in the series- Miles, Cordelia, and Alys - all have extremely strong personal reasons for doing so. Ekaterin in her doormat fashion seems to have adopted the prejudice but clearly feels that she is somehow cheating her children.

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** On top of this, most of the characters we see strongly favoring replicator birth later in the series- Miles, series--Miles, Cordelia, and Alys - all Alys--all have extremely strong personal reasons for doing so. Ekaterin in her doormat fashion seems to have adopted the prejudice but clearly feels that she is somehow cheating her children.



** Barrayar: The world was developed intended be a Sword and Sandles world, but how does one justify that in high tech? Strand the world, let them regress, then bring them back to modern technology. Their tech may be nearly up to date, but their *culture* is still stuck in medieval world trying to adapt.
*** The hate of mutants at his home shape every aspect of Miles, but why does that hate exist? Imagine a world that is colonized by only a few (by virtue of a world) isolated colonists. Inbreeding becomes a major issue, and thus negative recessive genes will lead to birth defects regularly. This is a world where 'mutations' (depending on how one defines a mutation) occur regularly and the only possible way for the world to survive is infanticide. Think about that, they *HAD* to be willing to kill their own children at the slightest sign of birth defect to even survive. One can imagine how an experience like that would become ingrained into the cultural psychology. Sure, birth defects aren't an issue in present day, but after so many generations of them being real issues it's understandable why a stigma would exist
*** Why do women have so little power? because in a world where people were fighting to survive, and infanticide occurred regularly, women *had* to be breeders. The emphasis on producing children, and protecting women so they could produce children, can be seen in all over the place in policy and practices on the planet.

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** Barrayar: The world was developed intended be a Sword and Sandles Sandals world, but how does one justify that in high tech? Strand the world, let them regress, then bring them back to modern technology. Their tech may be nearly up to date, but their *culture* is still stuck in medieval world trying to adapt.
*** The hate hatred of mutants at in his home shape shapes every aspect of Miles, but why does that hate exist? Imagine a world that is colonized by only a few (by virtue of (for a world) isolated colonists. Inbreeding becomes a major issue, and thus negative recessive genes will lead to birth defects regularly. This is a world where 'mutations' (depending on how one defines a mutation) occur regularly and the only possible way for the world to survive is infanticide. Think about that, they *HAD* to be willing to kill their own children at the slightest sign of a birth defect to even survive. One can imagine how an experience like that would become ingrained into the cultural psychology. Sure, birth defects aren't an issue in the present day, but after so many generations of them being real issues it's understandable why a stigma would exist
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*** Why do women have so little power? because in a world where people were fighting to survive, and infanticide occurred regularly, women *had* ''had'' to be breeders. The emphasis on producing children, and protecting women so they could produce children, can be seen in all over the place in policy and practices on the planet.



*** Adherents of the GoodOldWays are fighting a losing battle at least partly because Galactic reproductive technology can accomplish something that no amount of careful breeding and infanticide could -- guaranteeing defect-free births. Progressives who have adopted genetic screening and use of uterine replicators can reliably produce healthy offspring, while natural conceptions are still a gamble. Emperor Gregor did not have to have his arm twisted by Laisa Toscane over the stipulation that they would have kids the modern way precisely because he is so worried about congenital insanity among the Vor, and his line in particular, that a Galactic wife insisting on doing this eliminated one of his biggest fears in life. It is doing the same for numerous other Barrayarans, who in turn start to decide that other technological innovations are not so bad either.

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*** Adherents of the GoodOldWays are fighting a losing battle at least partly because Galactic reproductive technology can accomplish something that no amount of careful breeding and infanticide could -- guaranteeing defect-free births. Progressives who have adopted genetic screening and the use of uterine replicators can reliably produce healthy offspring, while natural conceptions are still a gamble. Emperor Gregor did not have to have his arm twisted by Laisa Toscane over the stipulation that they would have kids the modern way precisely because he is so worried about congenital insanity among the Vor, and his line in particular, that a Galactic wife insisting on doing this eliminated one of his biggest fears in life. It is doing the same for numerous other Barrayarans, who in turn start to decide that other technological innovations are not so bad either.
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* Ivan has become a diplomat as of ''Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen''. This was very likely strategic on Gregor's part. Ivan's half-Jacksonian[=/=]half-Cetagandan wife Tej might be something of a political liability on Barrayar. But elsewhere in the Nexus she helps give Ivan a more cosmopolitan air and debunks the widespread of perception of Barrayarans (especially Vor) being inbred isolationists. Notably, in ''Captain Vorpatril's Alliance'', both Tej and Rish thought it was a big deal that Ivan had a mere one-eighth Betan ancestry. Gregor himself has hoped his own marriage to a Komarran would improve unity within the Imperium. Miles, five-eighths Betan, has always been one of the best adapted Vor to matters of galactic affairs. Ivan making the rounds on the diplomatic circuit with his galactic wife on his arm presents a much less parochial image of a Barrayaran Vor lord. As an added bonus, since Tej makes Ivan (and their children) too controversial to be an acceptable candidate for the throne as compared to Gregor and Miles' respective heirs, Ivan no longer has to maintain a pretense of being a ditz to avoid being the target of conspiracies. Thus Gregor could freely give him a more prominent job.

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* Ivan has become a diplomat as of ''Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen''. This was very likely strategic on Gregor's part. Ivan's half-Jacksonian[=/=]half-Cetagandan wife Tej might be something of a political liability on Barrayar. But elsewhere in the Nexus she helps give Ivan a more cosmopolitan air and debunks the widespread of perception of Barrayarans (especially Vor) being inbred isolationists. Notably, in ''Captain Vorpatril's Alliance'', both Tej and Rish thought it was a big deal that Ivan had a mere one-eighth Betan ancestry. Gregor himself has hoped his own marriage to a Komarran would improve unity within the Imperium. Miles, five-eighths Betan, has always been one of the best adapted Vor to matters of galactic affairs. Ivan making the rounds on the diplomatic circuit with his galactic wife on his arm presents a much less parochial image of a Barrayaran Vor lord. As an added bonus, since Tej makes Ivan (and their children) too controversial to be an acceptable candidate for the throne as compared to Gregor and Miles' respective heirs, Ivan no longer has to maintain a pretense of being a ditz to avoid being the target of conspiracies. Thus Gregor could freely give him a more prominent job.
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* MMB said that Miles' basic situation is the most horrible thing that could happen to him. I couldn't understand why, because he's still wealthy and privileged. Then I realized he's also ''conspicuous''. If he had been born in somewhere like Silvy Vale, he would've been disposed of quietly, or led a life of quiet desperation (and ostracization). As Aral's son, Miles is quite possibly ''the most famous living mutant in the Imperium''. He not only has to live up to his (and the world's) inflated image of his father and family, but people keep making assumptions of nepotism. Not to mention the painful medical treatments and physical therapy. And his high status ''did'' get him killed (temporarily), it just took a while.

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* MMB LMB said that Miles' basic situation is the most horrible thing that could happen to him. I couldn't understand why, because he's still wealthy and privileged. Then I realized he's also ''conspicuous''. If he had been born in somewhere like Silvy Vale, he would've been disposed of quietly, or led a life of quiet desperation (and ostracization). As Aral's son, Miles is quite possibly ''the most famous living mutant in the Imperium''. He not only has to live up to his (and the world's) inflated image of his father and family, but people keep making assumptions of nepotism. Not to mention the painful medical treatments and physical therapy. And his high status ''did'' get him killed (temporarily), it just took a while.
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* MMB said that Miles' basic situation is the most horrible thing that could happen to him. I couldn't understand why, because he's still wealthy and privileged. Then I realized he's also ''conspicuous''. If he had been born in somewhere like Silvy Vale, he would've been disposed of quietly, or led a life of quiet desperation (and ostracization). As Aral's son, Miles is quite possibly ''the most famous living mutant in the Imperium''. He not only has to live up to his (and the world's) inflated image of his father and family, but people keep making assumptions of nepotism. Not to mention the painful medical treatments and physical therapy. And his high status ''did'' get him killed (temporarily), it just took a while.
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* FridgeSadness: Imagine Miles giving his report to Gregor after ''Komarr'': One stupid and insensitive Vor with a mutation in his genes, abusive of his wife and neglectfull of his son, looked down on people and always wanted a shortcut to success, killed while committing a crime. The wife, isolated from her family, survived because she focused all her energy on the son, now liberated by husband's death. The boy inherited father's mutation, wants to be a jump-ship pilot. Tien, Ekaterine and Nikki; or Serg, Kareen and Gregor?

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* FridgeSadness: Imagine Miles giving his report to Gregor after ''Komarr'': One stupid and insensitive Vor with a mutation in his genes, abusive of his wife and neglectfull of his son, looked down on people and always wanted a shortcut to success, killed while committing a crime. The wife, isolated from her family, survived because she focused all her energy on the son, now liberated by husband's death. The boy inherited father's mutation, wants to be a jump-ship pilot. Tien, Ekaterine Ekaterin and Nikki; or Serg, Kareen and Gregor?
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* Fridge Tearjerker: Imagine Miles giving his report to Gregor after ''Komarr'': One stupid and insensitive Vor with a mutation in his genes, abusive of his wife and neglectfull of his son, looked down on people and always wanted a shortcut to success, killed while committing a crime. The wife, isolated from her family, survived because she focused all her energy on the son, now liberated by husband's death. The boy inherited father's mutation, wants to be a jump-ship pilot. Tien, Ekaterine and Nikki; or Serg, Kareen and Gregor?

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* Fridge Tearjerker: FridgeSadness: Imagine Miles giving his report to Gregor after ''Komarr'': One stupid and insensitive Vor with a mutation in his genes, abusive of his wife and neglectfull of his son, looked down on people and always wanted a shortcut to success, killed while committing a crime. The wife, isolated from her family, survived because she focused all her energy on the son, now liberated by husband's death. The boy inherited father's mutation, wants to be a jump-ship pilot. Tien, Ekaterine and Nikki; or Serg, Kareen and Gregor?
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* Miles has an in-universe example; after failing to save Ekaterin from falling off a small ledge into a lake below, he confesses to her that for six years, he's had nightmares about the death of Sergeant Beatrice, who died from being sucked out of an air-craft. He'd run through so many what-ifs about how he could have saved her by managing to grasp her hand, that he'd never actually ''considered'' what would have happened if he'd managed to get a-hold of her. He finally realises that she would have pulled him out of the craft with her, since she was almost twice his weight and he had no anchor -- and as Ekaterin silently muses, because he wouldn't have let go regardless.

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* Miles has an in-universe example; after failing to save Ekaterin from falling off a small ledge into a lake below, he confesses to her that for six years, he's had nightmares about the death of Sergeant Beatrice, who died from being sucked out of an air-craft. He'd run through so many what-ifs about how he could have saved her by managing to grasp her hand, that he'd never actually ''considered'' what would have happened if he'd managed to get a-hold of her. He finally realises that she would have pulled him out of the craft with her, since she was almost twice his weight and he had no anchor -- and as Ekaterin silently muses, because he wouldn't have let go regardless.regardless.
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*** NotSoDifferent: Cetaganda's ''haut'' women share the same duties.

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*** NotSoDifferent: Cetaganda's ''haut'' women share the same duties.
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** Except that Russian noble tradition was systematically destroyed by Soviets.
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* This one takes a little bit to kick in. In ''Captain Vorpatril's Alliance,'' Ivan states that trying to judge Shiv Arqua without including his wife is like "trying to assess Uncle Aral without including Aunt Cordelia." Who else made this mistake? Ser Galen, in training Mark!

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* This one takes a little bit to kick in. In ''Captain Vorpatril's Alliance,'' Ivan states that trying to judge Shiv Arqua without including his wife is like "trying to assess Uncle Aral without including Aunt Cordelia." Who else made this mistake? Vidal Vordarian in his coup, Ser Galen, Galen in training Mark!Mark, and even Simon himself in ''Mirror Dance''!
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*** Why do women have so little power? because in a world where people were fighting to survive, and infanticide occurred regularly, women *had* to be breeders. The emphasis on producing children, and protecting women so they could produce children, can be seen in all over the place in policy and practices on the planet. (Note: This also may have had significant influence on the development of gender roles in the real world as well.)

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*** Why do women have so little power? because in a world where people were fighting to survive, and infanticide occurred regularly, women *had* to be breeders. The emphasis on producing children, and protecting women so they could produce children, can be seen in all over the place in policy and practices on the planet. (Note: This also may have had significant influence on the development of gender roles in the real world as well.)
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* Fridge Serendipity: The Barrayan PowerAtAPrice stimulant is a little blue pill that makes your soldier stand at attention. Pity the book was published 12 years before Viagra became commercially available.
** Its just a coincidence. Real-life military amphetamines have come in little blue pills since at least World War II. In fact, the description of the effects and side effects of Barrayaran military stimulants closely matches the military-issue methamphetamine tablets that the Wehrmacht and the Luftwaffe used to use (and abuse, and become addicted to, which is why they don't use those pills anymore).
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* It seems a little strange that Gregor would promise so much to Nikki in ''A Civil Campaign''. Yes, it involves his foster-brother Miles, and yes, it's partly because it involves high level security dealing with Komarr and Barrayar, but one realizes that Gregor ''identifies'' with Nikki -- a mentally unstable father and a harassed, devoted MamaBear who has an unwanted suitor, exactly like Prince Serg and Princess Kareen. Nikki probably gives him very uncomfortable flashbacks to when he was five.

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* It seems a little strange that Gregor would promise so much to Nikki in ''A Civil Campaign''. Yes, it involves his foster-brother Miles, and yes, it's partly because it involves high level security dealing with Komarr and Barrayar, but one realizes that Gregor ''identifies'' with Nikki -- a mentally unstable father and a harassed, devoted MamaBear who has an unwanted suitor, exactly like Prince Serg and Serg, Princess Kareen.Kareen and Vidal Vordarian. Nikki probably gives him very uncomfortable flashbacks to when he was five.
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* Miles has an in-universe example; after failing to save Ekaterin from falling off a small ledge into a lake below, he confesses to her that for six years, he's had nightmares about the death of Sergeant Beatrice, who died from being sucked out of an air-craft. He'd run through so many what-ifs about how he could have saved her by managing to grasp her hand, that he'd never actually ''considered'' what would have happened if he'd managed to get a-hold of her. He finally realises that she would have pulled him out of the craft with her, since she was almost twice his weight -- and as Ekaterin silently muses, because he wouldn't have let go.

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* Miles has an in-universe example; after failing to save Ekaterin from falling off a small ledge into a lake below, he confesses to her that for six years, he's had nightmares about the death of Sergeant Beatrice, who died from being sucked out of an air-craft. He'd run through so many what-ifs about how he could have saved her by managing to grasp her hand, that he'd never actually ''considered'' what would have happened if he'd managed to get a-hold of her. He finally realises that she would have pulled him out of the craft with her, since she was almost twice his weight and he had no anchor -- and as Ekaterin silently muses, because he wouldn't have let go.go regardless.
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*** However, she did have a body birth: Nikki, and he inherited a genetic disorder, so she probably doesn't mind the replicator method.

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*** However, she did have a body birth: Nikki, and he inherited a genetic disorder, so she probably doesn't mind the replicator method. It's also stated that his body-birth had been "to her cost", which would imply that pregnancy, childbirth, or both were traumatic in some way. (She's also in her thirties when she and Miles start their family, when fertility starts to drop and the potential for complications starts to rise.)



* The skillful aversion of standard PlanetOfHats deserves praise. Serious world building was put into even minor details of each planet, with justification for their cultural beliefs that *make sense*, and due to the small size of habitable space, and the prevelance of technology that make it easier to communicate with anyone on planet, the shared culture of planets make sense.
** Barrayar: The world was developed intended be a Sword and Sandles world, but how does one justify that in high tech? Strand the world, let them regress, then bring them back to modern technology. Their tech may be nearly up to date, but their *culture* is still stuck in mideval world trying to adapt.

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* The skillful aversion of standard PlanetOfHats deserves praise. Serious world building was put into even minor details of each planet, with justification for their cultural beliefs that *make sense*, and due to the small size of habitable space, and the prevelance prevalence of technology that make it easier to communicate with anyone on planet, the shared culture of planets make sense.
** Barrayar: The world was developed intended be a Sword and Sandles world, but how does one justify that in high tech? Strand the world, let them regress, then bring them back to modern technology. Their tech may be nearly up to date, but their *culture* is still stuck in mideval medieval world trying to adapt.
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* It seems a little strange that Gregor would promise so much to Nikki in ''A Civil Campaign''. Yes, it involves his foster-brother Miles, and yes, it's partly because it involves high level security dealing with Komarr and Barrayar, but one realizes that Gregor ''identifies'' with Nikki -- a mentally unstable father and a harassed, devoted MamaBear who has an unwanted suitor, exactly like Prince Serg and Princess Kareen. Nikki probably gives him very uncomfortable flashbacks to when he was five.
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* Miles has an in-universe example; after failing to save Kareen from falling off a small ledge into a lake below, he confesses to her that for six years, he's had nightmares about the death of Sergeant Beatrice, who died from being sucked out of an air-craft. He'd run through so many what-ifs about how he could have saved her by managing to grasp her hand, that he'd never actually ''considered'' what would have happened if he'd managed to get a-hold of her. He finally realises that she would have pulled him out of the craft with her, since she was almost twice his weight -- and as Kareen silently muses, because he wouldn't have let go.

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* Miles has an in-universe example; after failing to save Kareen Ekaterin from falling off a small ledge into a lake below, he confesses to her that for six years, he's had nightmares about the death of Sergeant Beatrice, who died from being sucked out of an air-craft. He'd run through so many what-ifs about how he could have saved her by managing to grasp her hand, that he'd never actually ''considered'' what would have happened if he'd managed to get a-hold of her. He finally realises that she would have pulled him out of the craft with her, since she was almost twice his weight -- and as Kareen Ekaterin silently muses, because he wouldn't have let go.
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* The Vor have a very strictly followed tradition whereby each first-born son is named after his paternal grandfather. Emperor Gregor has no apparent siblings. Gregor's paternal grandfather is named Ezar. Gregor's father Serg was shown to have had women impregnated for his unspecified [[ForTheEvulz evil amusement]]. So, it's quite probable that Gregor had an older brother who was killed by their father (and why Ezar is specifically stated as having protected Kareen once she conceived Gregor. He wouldn't have to do it if there wasn't a real reason to.)

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* The Vor have a very strictly followed tradition whereby each first-born son is named after his paternal grandfather. Emperor Gregor has no apparent siblings. Gregor's paternal grandfather is named Ezar. Gregor's father Serg was shown to have had women impregnated for his unspecified [[ForTheEvulz evil amusement]]. So, it's quite probable that Gregor had an older brother who was killed by their father (and why Ezar is specifically stated as having protected Kareen once she conceived Gregor. He wouldn't have to do it if there wasn't a real reason to.))
* Miles has an in-universe example; after failing to save Kareen from falling off a small ledge into a lake below, he confesses to her that for six years, he's had nightmares about the death of Sergeant Beatrice, who died from being sucked out of an air-craft. He'd run through so many what-ifs about how he could have saved her by managing to grasp her hand, that he'd never actually ''considered'' what would have happened if he'd managed to get a-hold of her. He finally realises that she would have pulled him out of the craft with her, since she was almost twice his weight -- and as Kareen silently muses, because he wouldn't have let go.
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* In ''The Vor Game'' Miles describes Lazkowski Case as "...The average IQ equalled the mean temperature in degrees cee, there wasn't a woman for five hundred kilometers in any direction and ''the base commander was a homicidal psychotic.''" Aral responds that it sounds just the same as the last time he was there. The last time Aral was there, ''he'' was the base commander.

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* In ''The Vor Game'' Miles describes Lazkowski Case Base as "...The average IQ equalled the mean temperature in degrees cee, there wasn't a woman for five hundred kilometers in any direction and ''the base commander was a homicidal psychotic.''" Aral responds that it sounds just the same as the last time he was there. The last time Aral was there, ''he'' was the base commander.
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* The Vor have a very strictly followed tradition whereby each first-born son is named after his paternal grandfather. Emperor Gregor has no apparent siblings. Gregor's paternal grandfather is named Ezar. Gregor's father Serg was shown to have had women impregnated for his unspecified [[ForTheEvulz evil amusement]]. So, it's quite probable that Gregor had an older brother who was killed by their father.

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* The Vor have a very strictly followed tradition whereby each first-born son is named after his paternal grandfather. Emperor Gregor has no apparent siblings. Gregor's paternal grandfather is named Ezar. Gregor's father Serg was shown to have had women impregnated for his unspecified [[ForTheEvulz evil amusement]]. So, it's quite probable that Gregor had an older brother who was killed by their father.father (and why Ezar is specifically stated as having protected Kareen once she conceived Gregor. He wouldn't have to do it if there wasn't a real reason to.)
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** It doesn't hurt that Ivan is acquainted with members of the Star Creche, who are one tiny tick under Fletchir Gaija himself in political power in Cetaganda.
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*** However, she did have a body birth: Nikki, and he inherited a genetic disorder, so she probably doesn't mind the replicator method.
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* In ''The Vor Game'' Miles describes Lazkowski Case as "...The average IQ equalled the mean temperature in degrees cee, there wasn't a woman for five hundred kilometers in any direction and ''the base commander was a homicidal psychotic.''" Aral responds that it sounds just the same as the last time he was there. The last time Aral was there, ''he'' was the base commander.
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* Fridge Tearjerker: Imagine Miles giving his report to Gregor after ''Kommar'': One stupid and insensitive Vor with a mutation in his genes, abusive of his wife and neglectfull of his son, looked down on people and always wanted a shortcut to success, killed while committing a crime. The wife, isolated from her family, survived because she focused all her energy on the son, now liberated by husband's death. The boy inherited father's mutation, wants to be a jump-ship pilot. Tien, Ekaterine and Nikki; or Serg, Kareen and Gregor?

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* Fridge Tearjerker: Imagine Miles giving his report to Gregor after ''Kommar'': ''Komarr'': One stupid and insensitive Vor with a mutation in his genes, abusive of his wife and neglectfull of his son, looked down on people and always wanted a shortcut to success, killed while committing a crime. The wife, isolated from her family, survived because she focused all her energy on the son, now liberated by husband's death. The boy inherited father's mutation, wants to be a jump-ship pilot. Tien, Ekaterine and Nikki; or Serg, Kareen and Gregor?

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* At the start of the saga, Aral tells Cordelia about himself and Barrayar: that he lost most of his family in mad Yuri's massacre at age 11; that he fought in the coup against Yuri; that Yuri was executed by a thousand cuts; that emperor Ezar gave Aral the 'honor' of first cut; that Ezar outlawed dueling on pain of death; that Aral, age 20-something, killed two men in duels because they cuckolded him; that he got away with it because it looked like the two killed each other; that captain Negri is Ezar's familiar; and that ''Negri knows everything''. [[Heartwarming/VorkosiganSaga Ezar ordered Negri to cover it up to spare Aral.]]

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* Fridge Heartwarming: At the start of the saga, Aral tells Cordelia about himself and Barrayar: that he lost most of his family in mad Yuri's massacre at age 11; that he fought in the coup against Yuri; that Yuri was executed by a thousand cuts; that emperor Ezar gave Aral the 'honor' of first cut; that Ezar outlawed dueling on pain of death; that Aral, age 20-something, killed two men in duels because they cuckolded him; that he got away with it because it looked like the two killed each other; that captain Negri is Ezar's familiar; and that ''Negri knows everything''. [[Heartwarming/VorkosiganSaga Ezar ordered Negri to cover it up to spare Aral.]] ]]
* Fridge Tearjerker: Imagine Miles giving his report to Gregor after ''Kommar'': One stupid and insensitive Vor with a mutation in his genes, abusive of his wife and neglectfull of his son, looked down on people and always wanted a shortcut to success, killed while committing a crime. The wife, isolated from her family, survived because she focused all her energy on the son, now liberated by husband's death. The boy inherited father's mutation, wants to be a jump-ship pilot. Tien, Ekaterine and Nikki; or Serg, Kareen and Gregor?
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* At the start of the saga, Aral tells Cordelia about himself and Barrayar: that he lost most of his family in mad Yuri's massacre at age 11; that he fought in the coup against Yuri; that Yuri was executed by a thousand cuts; that emperor Ezar gave Aral the 'honor' of first cut; that Ezar outlawed dueling on pain of death; that Aral, age 20-something, killed two men in duels because they cuckolded him; that he got away with it because it looked like the two killed each other; that captain Negri is Ezar's familiar; and that ''Negri knows everything''. [[Heartwarming/VorkosiganSaga Ezar ordered Negri to cover it up to spare Aral.]]

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