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* Tommy's interaction with Peter and Collins—the former being pulled out of the oily water by the latter two—reflect the interactions of the three timeframes. Peter holds onto Tommy as long as he can before pulling him out, and they have a brief conversation later on the way home. Meanwhile, Collins helps Peter pull Tommy out, but otherwise they don't really talk.
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* In the scene where the He 111 bomber crashes into an oil slick and traps numerous sailors in the fire, the viewpoint briefly changes to a soldier who tries desperately to hold his breath underwater, before being forced to surface and then horribly burns to death. The soldier's face isn't seen clearly at first, and Tommy, who is being pulled aboard the ''Moonstone'', is covered in oil and grime, leading the viewer to believe for a moment that the unfortunate burning soldier was indeed Tommy. While the BaitAndSwitch might feel jarring at first, it ties into the overarching theme of individuals being rendered helpless and having little agency over the events in motion, as it shocks us into remembering that [[NotSoDifferent the protagonists are just as vulnerable and desperate to survive as the unnamed soldier]], and that our implicit trust in their importance versus the other soldiers' expendability is ultimately arbitrary.
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* In the scene where the He 111 bomber crashes into an oil slick and traps numerous sailors in the fire, the viewpoint briefly changes to a soldier who tries desperately to hold his breath underwater, before being forced to surface and then horribly burns to death. The soldier's face isn't seen clearly at first, and Tommy, who is being pulled aboard the ''Moonstone'', is covered in oil and grime, leading the viewer to believe for a moment that the unfortunate burning soldier was indeed Tommy. While the BaitAndSwitch might feel jarring at first, it ties into the overarching theme of individuals being rendered helpless and having little agency over the events in motion, as it shocks us into remembering that [[NotSoDifferent the protagonists are just as vulnerable and desperate to survive as the unnamed soldier]], soldier, and that our implicit trust in their importance versus the other soldiers' expendability is ultimately arbitrary.
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* The shivering soldier's first appearance (chronologically, not in the movie proper) is of him commanding a lifeboat, with the implication that he's an officer and the troops with him are under his command. So not only has he survived his ship being sunken and a spell on the cold channel (for god knows how long) by the time the ''Moonstone'' found him, he's probably lost every man under his command. No wonder he's so traumatised.
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* The shivering soldier's first appearance (chronologically, not in the movie proper) is of him commanding a lifeboat, with the implication that he's an officer and the troops with him are under his command. So not only has he survived his ship being sunken and a spell on the cold channel (for god knows how long) by the time the ''Moonstone'' found him, he's probably lost every man under his command. No wonder he's so traumatised.traumatized.
** When he's first rescued, he jumps off the tip of the stern above water, meaning that there is enough air to still keep the ship afloat, and those who survived the torpedoing, trapped inside, and breathing [[CruelAndUnusualDeath until the oxygen runs out]].
** When he's first rescued, he jumps off the tip of the stern above water, meaning that there is enough air to still keep the ship afloat, and those who survived the torpedoing, trapped inside, and breathing [[CruelAndUnusualDeath until the oxygen runs out]].
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* Not only has Peter lost his brother and his best friend in the space of probably only a few months]], it won't be long before he's due for call-up--for a war which will last another five years.
** Similar to the above, Tommy and Alex have made it back to England--but there's a good chance in only a couple of years, they'll be in action again, albeit with more experience and training.
** Similar to the above, Tommy and Alex have made it back to England--but there's a good chance in only a couple of years, they'll be in action again, albeit with more experience and training.
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* Not only has Peter lost his brother and his best friend in a short span of time, and he'll be of age to join the space of probably only a few months]], it won't be long fighting before he's due for call-up--for a the war which will last another is over.
* By the time the film ends, World War 2 is really only just getting started. The British have the Battle of Britain, the Blitz, and fiveyears.
** Similar to the above, Tommy and Alex have made it back to England--but there's a good chance in only a couple of years, they'll be in action again, albeit withmore experience and training.
total years of war to look forward to. Many of the survivors may well die before it's all over.
* By the time the film ends, World War 2 is really only just getting started. The British have the Battle of Britain, the Blitz, and five
** Similar to the above, Tommy and Alex have made it back to England--but there's a good chance in only a couple of years, they'll be in action again, albeit with
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* Gibson ([[spoiler:A French soldier disguised as a Brit]]) as a metaphor for the French role in Dunkirk: [[spoiler:He helps the British soldiers several times despite simply wanting to survive himself; but in the end, he gets left behind and dies.]]
* In the scene where [[spoiler:the He 111 bomber crashes into an oil slick and traps numerous sailors in the fire]], the viewpoint briefly changes [[spoiler:to a soldier who tries desperately to hold his breath underwater, before being forced to surface and then horribly burns to death]]. [[spoiler:The soldier's face isn't seen clearly at first, and Tommy, who is being pulled aboard the ''Moonstone'', is covered in oil and grime, leading the viewer to believe for a moment that the unfortunate burning soldier was indeed Tommy]]. While the BaitAndSwitch might feel jarring at first, it ties into the overarching theme of individuals being rendered helpless and having little agency over the events in motion, as it shocks us into remembering that [[spoiler:[[NotSoDifferent the protagonists are just as vulnerable and desperate to survive as the unnamed soldier]], and that our implicit trust in their importance versus the other soldiers' expendability is ultimately arbitrary.]]
* A lot of viewers wonder why Farrier doesn't [[spoiler:land his out-of-fuel Spitfire inside the Allied perimeter]]. If you look carefully, though, [[spoiler:he's actually already started to deploy his landing flaps when he makes his first pass over the beach]]. [[spoiler:By turning around to shoot down the Stuka, he burns most of his remaining airspeed, which forces him to glide on forward and set down quickly instead of banking around towards the Allied-held beach]]. This decision perfectly mirrors his tendency to risk his own safety if it gives him a chance to save more lives, as shown by [[spoiler:his earlier decision to turn back to defend the destroyer from German planes while running out of fuel]].
* In the scene where [[spoiler:the He 111 bomber crashes into an oil slick and traps numerous sailors in the fire]], the viewpoint briefly changes [[spoiler:to a soldier who tries desperately to hold his breath underwater, before being forced to surface and then horribly burns to death]]. [[spoiler:The soldier's face isn't seen clearly at first, and Tommy, who is being pulled aboard the ''Moonstone'', is covered in oil and grime, leading the viewer to believe for a moment that the unfortunate burning soldier was indeed Tommy]]. While the BaitAndSwitch might feel jarring at first, it ties into the overarching theme of individuals being rendered helpless and having little agency over the events in motion, as it shocks us into remembering that [[spoiler:[[NotSoDifferent the protagonists are just as vulnerable and desperate to survive as the unnamed soldier]], and that our implicit trust in their importance versus the other soldiers' expendability is ultimately arbitrary.]]
* A lot of viewers wonder why Farrier doesn't [[spoiler:land his out-of-fuel Spitfire inside the Allied perimeter]]. If you look carefully, though, [[spoiler:he's actually already started to deploy his landing flaps when he makes his first pass over the beach]]. [[spoiler:By turning around to shoot down the Stuka, he burns most of his remaining airspeed, which forces him to glide on forward and set down quickly instead of banking around towards the Allied-held beach]]. This decision perfectly mirrors his tendency to risk his own safety if it gives him a chance to save more lives, as shown by [[spoiler:his earlier decision to turn back to defend the destroyer from German planes while running out of fuel]].
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* Gibson ([[spoiler:A (A French soldier disguised as a Brit]]) Brit) as a metaphor for the French role in Dunkirk: [[spoiler:He He helps the British soldiers several times despite simply wanting to survive himself; but in the end, he gets left behind and dies.]]
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* In the scene where[[spoiler:the the He 111 bomber crashes into an oil slick and traps numerous sailors in the fire]], fire, the viewpoint briefly changes [[spoiler:to to a soldier who tries desperately to hold his breath underwater, before being forced to surface and then horribly burns to death]]. [[spoiler:The death. The soldier's face isn't seen clearly at first, and Tommy, who is being pulled aboard the ''Moonstone'', is covered in oil and grime, leading the viewer to believe for a moment that the unfortunate burning soldier was indeed Tommy]]. Tommy. While the BaitAndSwitch might feel jarring at first, it ties into the overarching theme of individuals being rendered helpless and having little agency over the events in motion, as it shocks us into remembering that [[spoiler:[[NotSoDifferent [[NotSoDifferent the protagonists are just as vulnerable and desperate to survive as the unnamed soldier]], and that our implicit trust in their importance versus the other soldiers' expendability is ultimately arbitrary.]]
arbitrary.
* A lot of viewers wonder why Farrier doesn't[[spoiler:land land his out-of-fuel Spitfire inside the Allied perimeter]]. perimeter. If you look carefully, though, [[spoiler:he's he's actually already started to deploy his landing flaps when he makes his first pass over the beach]]. [[spoiler:By beach. By turning around to shoot down the Stuka, he burns most of his remaining airspeed, which forces him to glide on forward and set down quickly instead of banking around towards the Allied-held beach]]. beach. This decision perfectly mirrors his tendency to risk his own safety if it gives him a chance to save more lives, as shown by [[spoiler:his his earlier decision to turn back to defend the destroyer from German planes while running out of fuel]].fuel.
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* A lot of viewers wonder why Farrier doesn't
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*** The second time we cut to Fortis ends with them flying over the ''Moonstone'', which is already sailing a good distance across the Channel already. This illustrates that both Sea and Air take place on the same day, and implies that Tommy's not going anywhere for a while.
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*** The second time we cut to Fortis ends with them flying over the ''Moonstone'', which is already sailing a good distance across the Channel already. This illustrates that both Sea and Air take place on the same day, day and implies that Tommy's not going anywhere for a while.
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* The shivering soldier's first appearance (chronologically, not in the movie proper) [[spoiler:is of him commanding a lifeboat, with the implication that he's an officer and the troops with him are under his command. So not only has he survived his ship being sunken and a spell on the cold channel (for god knows how long) by the time the ''Moonstone'' found him, he's probably lost every man under his command. No wonder he's so traumatised.]]
* Not only has Peter [[spoiler:lost his brother and his best friend in the space of probably only a few months]], it won't be long before he's due for call-up--for a war which will last another five years.
** Similar to the above, [[spoiler:Tommy and Alex have made it back to England--but there's a good chance in only a couple of years, they'll be in action again, albeit with more experience and training.]]
* Not only has Peter [[spoiler:lost his brother and his best friend in the space of probably only a few months]], it won't be long before he's due for call-up--for a war which will last another five years.
** Similar to the above, [[spoiler:Tommy and Alex have made it back to England--but there's a good chance in only a couple of years, they'll be in action again, albeit with more experience and training.]]
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* The shivering soldier's first appearance (chronologically, not in the movie proper) [[spoiler:is is of him commanding a lifeboat, with the implication that he's an officer and the troops with him are under his command. So not only has he survived his ship being sunken and a spell on the cold channel (for god knows how long) by the time the ''Moonstone'' found him, he's probably lost every man under his command. No wonder he's so traumatised.]]
traumatised.
* Not only has Peter[[spoiler:lost lost his brother and his best friend in the space of probably only a few months]], it won't be long before he's due for call-up--for a war which will last another five years.
** Similar to the above,[[spoiler:Tommy Tommy and Alex have made it back to England--but there's a good chance in only a couple of years, they'll be in action again, albeit with more experience and training.]]
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* Not only has Peter
** Similar to the above,
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* You probably wouldn't have noticed the first time, but the first several minutes of ''Dunkirk'' establish the logic of its "designing principle" (how the film tells its story) fairly well, with its use of on-screen text and the camera shots that go with them.
##"The Mole" begins with alternating cuts between Tommy's regiment and the opening text, going back and forth. The text card progresses forward in time with each new line, just like the soldiers progressing through the abandoned street. After Tommy escapes to the beach, the text "1. the mole / one week" appears--''several'' camera shots into this sequence, spanning from town to Tommy's view of the mole. And to hammer it home, when that text disappears, the beach is then attacked by Stukas from overhead, which most of the soldiers survive.
##"The Mole" begins with alternating cuts between Tommy's regiment and the opening text, going back and forth. The text card progresses forward in time with each new line, just like the soldiers progressing through the abandoned street. After Tommy escapes to the beach, the text "1. the mole / one week" appears--''several'' camera shots into this sequence, spanning from town to Tommy's view of the mole. And to hammer it home, when that text disappears, the beach is then attacked by Stukas from overhead, which most of the soldiers survive.
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* You probably wouldn't have noticed it the first time, but the first several minutes of ''Dunkirk'' establish the logic of its "designing principle" (how (i.e. how the film tells its story) fairly well, with its use of on-screen text and the camera shots that go with them.
##"The Mole" begins with alternating cuts between Tommy's regiment and the opening text, going back and forth. The text card progresses forward in time with each new line, just like the soldiers progressing through the abandoned street. Once the text card is finished, Tommy's group is attacked, leaving him the only survivor. After Tommy escapes to the beach, the text "1. the mole / one week" appears--''several'' camera shots into this sequence, spanning from town to Tommy's view of the mole. And to hammer it home, when that text disappears, the beach is then attacked by Stukas from overhead, which most of the soldiers survive.
##"The Mole" begins with alternating cuts between Tommy's regiment and the opening text, going back and forth. The text card progresses forward in time with each new line, just like the soldiers progressing through the abandoned street. Once the text card is finished, Tommy's group is attacked, leaving him the only survivor. After Tommy escapes to the beach, the text "1. the mole / one week" appears--''several'' camera shots into this sequence, spanning from town to Tommy's view of the mole. And to hammer it home, when that text disappears, the beach is then attacked by Stukas from overhead, which most of the soldiers survive.
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##"The Air" is the shortest of the three. The Fortis planes are introduced in a sweeping shot - and at the end of this ''one'' camera shot, the text "3. the air / one hour" appears. The camera then brings pilots Collins and Farrier into focus, with [[MissionControl Fortis]] [[RedShirt Leader]] setting their mission to assist the underway rescue efforts.
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##"The Air" is the shortest of the three. The Fortis planes are introduced in a sweeping shot - and shot--and at the end of this ''one'' camera shot, the text "3. the air / one hour" appears. The camera then brings pilots Collins and Farrier into focus, with [[MissionControl Fortis]] [[RedShirt Leader]] setting their mission to assist the underway rescue efforts.efforts.
*** The second time we cut to Fortis ends with them flying over the ''Moonstone'', which is already sailing a good distance across the Channel already. This illustrates that both Sea and Air take place on the same day, and implies that Tommy's not going anywhere for a while.
*** The second time we cut to Fortis ends with them flying over the ''Moonstone'', which is already sailing a good distance across the Channel already. This illustrates that both Sea and Air take place on the same day, and implies that Tommy's not going anywhere for a while.
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* You probably wouldn't have noticed the first time, but the first several minutes of ''Dunkirk'' establish the logic of its "designing principle" fairly well.
##"The Mole" begins with alternating cuts between Tommy's regiment and the opening text, going back and forth. The text card progresses forward in time with each new line, just like the soldiers progressing through the abandoned street. After Tommy escapes to the beach, the text "1. the mole / one week" appears - several camera cuts into this sequence. And to hammer it home, when that text disappears, the beach is then attacked by Stukas from overhead, which most of the soldiers survive.
##The scene then cuts to George running to the docks. The text "2. the sea / one day" appears in the ''second'' camera shot of this sequence, before establishing what Mr. Dawson and Peter are doing.
##The Fortis planes are introduced in a sweeping shot - and at the end of this ''one'' camera shot, the text "3. the air / one hour" appears.
##"The Mole" begins with alternating cuts between Tommy's regiment and the opening text, going back and forth. The text card progresses forward in time with each new line, just like the soldiers progressing through the abandoned street. After Tommy escapes to the beach, the text "1. the mole / one week" appears - several camera cuts into this sequence. And to hammer it home, when that text disappears, the beach is then attacked by Stukas from overhead, which most of the soldiers survive.
##The scene then cuts to George running to the docks. The text "2. the sea / one day" appears in the ''second'' camera shot of this sequence, before establishing what Mr. Dawson and Peter are doing.
##The Fortis planes are introduced in a sweeping shot - and at the end of this ''one'' camera shot, the text "3. the air / one hour" appears.
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* You probably wouldn't have noticed the first time, but the first several minutes of ''Dunkirk'' establish the logic of its "designing principle" (how the film tells its story) fairly well.
well, with its use of on-screen text and the camera shots that go with them.
##"The Mole" begins with alternating cuts between Tommy's regiment and the opening text, going back and forth. The text card progresses forward in time with each new line, just like the soldiers progressing through the abandoned street. After Tommy escapes to the beach, the text "1. the mole / one week"appears - several appears--''several'' camera cuts shots into this sequence.sequence, spanning from town to Tommy's view of the mole. And to hammer it home, when that text disappears, the beach is then attacked by Stukas from overhead, which most of the soldiers survive.
##The scene then cuts to ##"The Sea" begins with George running to the docks.docks toward the ''Moonstone''. The text "2. the sea / one day" appears in the ''second'' camera shot of this sequence, before establishing what George at the docks, which is far shorter than "The Mole's". Soon after, the scene establishes that Mr. Dawson and Peter are doing.
##Thegetting the boat ready to rescue their army from Dunkirk--an operation that has yet to be made known to anyone at the mole (as of the beach attack from Tommy's perspective) just yet.
##"The Air" is the shortest of the three. The Fortis planes are introduced in a sweeping shot - and at the end of this ''one'' camera shot, the text "3. the air / one hour" appears. The camera then brings pilots Collins and Farrier into focus, with [[MissionControl Fortis]] [[RedShirt Leader]] setting their mission to assist the underway rescue efforts.
##"The Mole" begins with alternating cuts between Tommy's regiment and the opening text, going back and forth. The text card progresses forward in time with each new line, just like the soldiers progressing through the abandoned street. After Tommy escapes to the beach, the text "1. the mole / one week"
##The
##"The Air" is the shortest of the three. The Fortis planes are introduced in a sweeping shot - and at the end of this ''one'' camera shot, the text "3. the air / one hour" appears. The camera then brings pilots Collins and Farrier into focus, with [[MissionControl Fortis]] [[RedShirt Leader]] setting their mission to assist the underway rescue efforts.
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* You probably wouldn't have noticed the first time, but the first several minutes of ''Dunkirk'' establish the logic of its "designing principle" fairly well.
##"The Mole" begins with alternating cuts between Tommy's regiment and the opening text, going back and forth. The text card progresses forward in time with each new line, just like the soldiers progressing through the abandoned street. After Tommy escapes to the beach, the text "1. the mole / one week" appears - several camera cuts into this sequence. And to hammer it home, when that text disappears, the beach is then attacked by Stukas from overhead, which most of the soldiers survive.
##The scene then cuts to George running to the docks. The text "2. the sea / one day" appears in the ''second'' camera shot of this sequence, before establishing what Mr. Dawson and Peter are doing.
##The Fortis planes are introduced in a sweeping shot - and at the end of this ''one'' camera shot, the text "3. the air / one hour" appears.
##"The Mole" begins with alternating cuts between Tommy's regiment and the opening text, going back and forth. The text card progresses forward in time with each new line, just like the soldiers progressing through the abandoned street. After Tommy escapes to the beach, the text "1. the mole / one week" appears - several camera cuts into this sequence. And to hammer it home, when that text disappears, the beach is then attacked by Stukas from overhead, which most of the soldiers survive.
##The scene then cuts to George running to the docks. The text "2. the sea / one day" appears in the ''second'' camera shot of this sequence, before establishing what Mr. Dawson and Peter are doing.
##The Fortis planes are introduced in a sweeping shot - and at the end of this ''one'' camera shot, the text "3. the air / one hour" appears.
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* How was Farrier [[spoiler:able to burn his plane upon landing at the beach so quickly, given that it was out of fuel?]]
** Farrier [[spoiler:shot his flare gun into the cockpit of his plane. Flares are a mix between a pyrotechnic compound (like potassium nitrate) and natural fuel (like sulfur or charcoal), which makes them highly flammable regardless of the presence of fuel in the reservoir.]]
** There is always a little bit of unusable fuel in the bottom of the tanks, where the pumps can't reach it. This is partly by design, to ensure that sludge and contaminants settle to the bottom and aren't sucked wholesale into the engine. This would be more than enough to doom the aircraft, on top of which the residual fumes in the tanks can also burn rather fiercely or even explode.
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* How was Farrier [[spoiler:able to burn his plane upon landing at the beach so quickly, given that it was out of fuel?]]
** Farrier [[spoiler:shot his flare gun into the cockpit of his plane. Flares are a mix between a pyrotechnic compound (like potassium nitrate) and natural fuel (like sulfur or charcoal), which makes them highly flammable regardless of the presence of fuel in the reservoir.]]
** There is always a little bit of unusable fuel in the bottom of the tanks, where the pumps can't reach it. This is partly by design, to ensure that sludge and contaminants settle to the bottom and aren't sucked wholesale into the engine. This would be more than enough to doom the aircraft, on top of which the residual fumes in the tanks can also burn rather fiercely or even explode.
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* How was Farrier [[spoiler:able to burn his plane upon landing at the beach so quickly, given that it was out of fuel?]]
** Farrier [[spoiler:shot his flare gun into the cockpit of his plane. Flares are a mix between a pyrotechnic compound (like potassium nitrate) and natural fuel (like sulfur or charcoal), which makes them highly flammable regardless of the presence of fuel in the reservoir.]]
** There is always a little bit of unusable fuel in the bottom of the tanks, where the pumps can't reach it. This is partly by design, to ensure that sludge and contaminants settle to the bottom and aren't sucked wholesale into the engine. This would be more than enough to doom the aircraft, on top of which the residual fumes in the tanks can also burn rather fiercely or even explode.
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* Why did Nolan name the protagonist Tommy? Because "Tommy" was a nickname for British soldiers during World War I and World War II, making it very appropriate for TheEveryman representing the British Army during the battle.
* Gibson ([[spoiler:A French soldier disguised as a Brit]]) as a metaphor for the French role in Dunkirk: [[spoiler:He helps the British soldiers several times despite simply wanting to survive himself, but in the end gets left behind and dies.]]
* In the scene where [[spoiler:the He 111 bomber crashes into an oil slick and traps numerous sailors in the fire]], the viewpoint briefly changes [[spoiler:to a soldier who tries desperately to hold his breath underwater, before being forced to surface and then horribly burns to death]]. [[spoiler:The soldier's face isn't seen clearly at first, and Tommy, who is being pulled aboard the ''Moonstone'', is covered in oil and grime, leading the viewer to believe for a moment that the unfortunate soldier was indeed Tommy]]. While the BaitAndSwitch might feel jarring at first, it ties into the overarching theme of individuals being rendered helpless and having little agency over the events in motion, as it shocks us into remembering that [[spoiler:[[NotSoDifferent the protagonists are just as vulnerable and desperate to survive as the unnamed soldier]], and that our implicit trust in their importance versus the other soldiers' expendability is ultimately arbitrary.]]
* A lot of viewers wonder why Farrier doesn't [[spoiler:land his out-of-fuel Spitfire inside the Allied perimeter]]. If you look carefully, though, [[spoiler:he's actually started to deploy his landing flaps when he makes his first pass over the beach]]. [[spoiler:By turning around to shoot down the Stuka, he burns most of his remaining airspeed, which forces him to glide on forward and set down quickly instead of banking around towards the Allied-held beach]]. This decision perfectly mirrors his tendency to risk his own safety if it gives him a chance to save more lives, as shown by [[spoiler:his earlier decision to turn back to defend the destroyer from German planes while running out of fuel]].
* Gibson ([[spoiler:A French soldier disguised as a Brit]]) as a metaphor for the French role in Dunkirk: [[spoiler:He helps the British soldiers several times despite simply wanting to survive himself, but in the end gets left behind and dies.]]
* In the scene where [[spoiler:the He 111 bomber crashes into an oil slick and traps numerous sailors in the fire]], the viewpoint briefly changes [[spoiler:to a soldier who tries desperately to hold his breath underwater, before being forced to surface and then horribly burns to death]]. [[spoiler:The soldier's face isn't seen clearly at first, and Tommy, who is being pulled aboard the ''Moonstone'', is covered in oil and grime, leading the viewer to believe for a moment that the unfortunate soldier was indeed Tommy]]. While the BaitAndSwitch might feel jarring at first, it ties into the overarching theme of individuals being rendered helpless and having little agency over the events in motion, as it shocks us into remembering that [[spoiler:[[NotSoDifferent the protagonists are just as vulnerable and desperate to survive as the unnamed soldier]], and that our implicit trust in their importance versus the other soldiers' expendability is ultimately arbitrary.]]
* A lot of viewers wonder why Farrier doesn't [[spoiler:land his out-of-fuel Spitfire inside the Allied perimeter]]. If you look carefully, though, [[spoiler:he's actually started to deploy his landing flaps when he makes his first pass over the beach]]. [[spoiler:By turning around to shoot down the Stuka, he burns most of his remaining airspeed, which forces him to glide on forward and set down quickly instead of banking around towards the Allied-held beach]]. This decision perfectly mirrors his tendency to risk his own safety if it gives him a chance to save more lives, as shown by [[spoiler:his earlier decision to turn back to defend the destroyer from German planes while running out of fuel]].
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* Why did Nolan name the protagonist Tommy? Because "Tommy" "Tommy Atkins" was a nickname for British soldiers during World War I and World War II, making it very appropriate for TheEveryman representing the British Army during the battle.
* Gibson ([[spoiler:A French soldier disguised as a Brit]]) as a metaphor for the French role in Dunkirk: [[spoiler:He helps the British soldiers several times despite simply wanting to survivehimself, himself; but in the end end, he gets left behind and dies.]]
* In the scene where [[spoiler:the He 111 bomber crashes into an oil slick and traps numerous sailors in the fire]], the viewpoint briefly changes [[spoiler:to a soldier who tries desperately to hold his breath underwater, before being forced to surface and then horribly burns to death]]. [[spoiler:The soldier's face isn't seen clearly at first, and Tommy, who is being pulled aboard the ''Moonstone'', is covered in oil and grime, leading the viewer to believe for a moment that the unfortunate burning soldier was indeed Tommy]]. While the BaitAndSwitch might feel jarring at first, it ties into the overarching theme of individuals being rendered helpless and having little agency over the events in motion, as it shocks us into remembering that [[spoiler:[[NotSoDifferent the protagonists are just as vulnerable and desperate to survive as the unnamed soldier]], and that our implicit trust in their importance versus the other soldiers' expendability is ultimately arbitrary.]]
* A lot of viewers wonder why Farrier doesn't [[spoiler:land his out-of-fuel Spitfire inside the Allied perimeter]]. If you look carefully, though, [[spoiler:he's actually already started to deploy his landing flaps when he makes his first pass over the beach]]. [[spoiler:By turning around to shoot down the Stuka, he burns most of his remaining airspeed, which forces him to glide on forward and set down quickly instead of banking around towards the Allied-held beach]]. This decision perfectly mirrors his tendency to risk his own safety if it gives him a chance to save more lives, as shown by [[spoiler:his earlier decision to turn back to defend the destroyer from German planes while running out of fuel]].
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* Gibson ([[spoiler:A French soldier disguised as a Brit]]) as a metaphor for the French role in Dunkirk: [[spoiler:He helps the British soldiers several times despite simply wanting to survive
* In the scene where [[spoiler:the He 111 bomber crashes into an oil slick and traps numerous sailors in the fire]], the viewpoint briefly changes [[spoiler:to a soldier who tries desperately to hold his breath underwater, before being forced to surface and then horribly burns to death]]. [[spoiler:The soldier's face isn't seen clearly at first, and Tommy, who is being pulled aboard the ''Moonstone'', is covered in oil and grime, leading the viewer to believe for a moment that the unfortunate burning soldier was indeed Tommy]]. While the BaitAndSwitch might feel jarring at first, it ties into the overarching theme of individuals being rendered helpless and having little agency over the events in motion, as it shocks us into remembering that [[spoiler:[[NotSoDifferent the protagonists are just as vulnerable and desperate to survive as the unnamed soldier]], and that our implicit trust in their importance versus the other soldiers' expendability is ultimately arbitrary.]]
* A lot of viewers wonder why Farrier doesn't [[spoiler:land his out-of-fuel Spitfire inside the Allied perimeter]]. If you look carefully, though, [[spoiler:he's actually already started to deploy his landing flaps when he makes his first pass over the beach]]. [[spoiler:By turning around to shoot down the Stuka, he burns most of his remaining airspeed, which forces him to glide on forward and set down quickly instead of banking around towards the Allied-held beach]]. This decision perfectly mirrors his tendency to risk his own safety if it gives him a chance to save more lives, as shown by [[spoiler:his earlier decision to turn back to defend the destroyer from German planes while running out of fuel]].
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* Cillian Murphy's first appearance (chronologically, not in the movie proper) [[spoiler:is of him commanding a lifeboat, with the implication that he's an officer and the troops are under his command. So not only has he survived his ship being sunken and a spell on the cold channel (for god knows how long), he's probably lost every man under his command. No wonder he's so traumatised.]]
* Not only has Peter [[spoiler:lost his brother and best friend in the space of probably only a few months]], it won't be long before he's due for call-up - for a war which will last another five years.
** Similar to the above, [[spoiler:Tommy and Alex have made it back to England - but there's a good chance in only a couple of years they'll be in action again, albeit with more experience and training.]]
* Not only has Peter [[spoiler:lost his brother and best friend in the space of probably only a few months]], it won't be long before he's due for call-up - for a war which will last another five years.
** Similar to the above, [[spoiler:Tommy and Alex have made it back to England - but there's a good chance in only a couple of years they'll be in action again, albeit with more experience and training.]]
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* Cillian Murphy's The shivering soldier's first appearance (chronologically, not in the movie proper) [[spoiler:is of him commanding a lifeboat, with the implication that he's an officer and the troops with him are under his command. So not only has he survived his ship being sunken and a spell on the cold channel (for god knows how long), long) by the time the ''Moonstone'' found him, he's probably lost every man under his command. No wonder he's so traumatised.]]
* Not only has Peter [[spoiler:lost his brother and his best friend in the space of probably only a few months]], it won't be long before he's due forcall-up - for call-up--for a war which will last another five years.
** Similar to the above, [[spoiler:Tommy and Alex have made it back toEngland - but England--but there's a good chance in only a couple of years years, they'll be in action again, albeit with more experience and training.]]
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* How was Farrier [[spoiler: able to burn his plane upon landing at the beach so quickly given that it was out of fuel?]]
** Farrier [[spoiler: shot his flare gun in the cockpit of his plane. Flares are a mix between a pyrotechnic compound (like potassium nitrate) and natural fuel (like sulfur or charcoal), which makes them highly flammable regardless of the presence of fuel in the reservoir.]]
** There is always a little bit of unusable fuel in the bottom of the tanks, where the pumps can't reach it. This is partly a design feature to ensure that sludge and contaminants settle to the bottom and aren't sucked wholesale into the engine. This would be more than enough to do the aircraft in, on top of which the residual fumes in the tanks can also burn rather fiercely or even explode.
** Farrier [[spoiler: shot his flare gun in the cockpit of his plane. Flares are a mix between a pyrotechnic compound (like potassium nitrate) and natural fuel (like sulfur or charcoal), which makes them highly flammable regardless of the presence of fuel in the reservoir.]]
** There is always a little bit of unusable fuel in the bottom of the tanks, where the pumps can't reach it. This is partly a design feature to ensure that sludge and contaminants settle to the bottom and aren't sucked wholesale into the engine. This would be more than enough to do the aircraft in, on top of which the residual fumes in the tanks can also burn rather fiercely or even explode.
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* How was Farrier [[spoiler: able [[spoiler:able to burn his plane upon landing at the beach so quickly quickly, given that it was out of fuel?]]
** Farrier[[spoiler: shot [[spoiler:shot his flare gun in into the cockpit of his plane. Flares are a mix between a pyrotechnic compound (like potassium nitrate) and natural fuel (like sulfur or charcoal), which makes them highly flammable regardless of the presence of fuel in the reservoir.]]
** There is always a little bit of unusable fuel in the bottom of the tanks, where the pumps can't reach it. This is partlya design feature by design, to ensure that sludge and contaminants settle to the bottom and aren't sucked wholesale into the engine. This would be more than enough to do doom the aircraft in, aircraft, on top of which the residual fumes in the tanks can also burn rather fiercely or even explode.explode.
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** There is always a little bit of unusable fuel in the bottom of the tanks, where the pumps can't reach it. This is partly
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* Why did Nolan name the protagonist Tommy? Because "Tommy" was a nickname for British soldiers during WWI and WW2, making it very appropriate for TheEveryman representing the British Army during the battle.
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* Why did Nolan name the protagonist Tommy? Because "Tommy" was a nickname for British soldiers during WWI World War I and WW2, World War II, making it very appropriate for TheEveryman representing the British Army during the battle. battle.
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Just another guess. Also This Troper.
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* This troper went to see the film with a friend who asked [[spoiler: about the blind man handing out blankets at the end. I quickly deduced that this man was likely a WorldWarOne veteran who was blinded by mustard gas.]] He can't fight in this war, but that doesn't mean he won't do what he can for those that can fight.
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Not fridge brilliance. Just guessing at the character's thoughts, which, as the natter shows, is ultimately up to viewer opinion.
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* Peter's [[spoiler: [[AngstWhatAngst seemingly easy acceptance of his best friend's death]] makes]] a [[{{Tearjerker}} depressing amount of sense]] with [[spoiler: the reveal that his older brother was killed in combat just a few weeks earlier. Peter was likely fully aware of the danger they were going into, and knew that some of them might not make it back to England alive.]]
** Alternatively, you can interpret it as him [[spoiler:deciding to bottle up his grief, knowing that it would just distract him from the more important task at hand.]]
** Alternatively, you can interpret it as him [[spoiler:deciding to bottle up his grief, knowing that it would just distract him from the more important task at hand.]]
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** Farrier [[spoiler: shot his flare gun in the cockpit of his plane. Flares are a mix between a pyrotechnic compound (like potassium nitrate) and natural fuel (like sulfur or charcoal), which makes them highly flammable regardless of the presence of fuel in the reservoir.]]
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** Farrier [[spoiler: shot his flare gun in the cockpit of his plane. Flares are a mix between a pyrotechnic compound (like potassium nitrate) and natural fuel (like sulfur or charcoal), which makes them highly flammable regardless of the presence of fuel in the reservoir.]]]]
** There is always a little bit of unusable fuel in the bottom of the tanks, where the pumps can't reach it. This is partly a design feature to ensure that sludge and contaminants settle to the bottom and aren't sucked wholesale into the engine. This would be more than enough to do the aircraft in, on top of which the residual fumes in the tanks can also burn rather fiercely or even explode.
** There is always a little bit of unusable fuel in the bottom of the tanks, where the pumps can't reach it. This is partly a design feature to ensure that sludge and contaminants settle to the bottom and aren't sucked wholesale into the engine. This would be more than enough to do the aircraft in, on top of which the residual fumes in the tanks can also burn rather fiercely or even explode.
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** Farrier [[spoiler: shot a flare in the cockpit of his plane. Flares are a mix between a pyrotechnic compound (like potassium nitrate) and natural fuel (like sulfur or charcoal), which makes them highly flammable regardless of the presence of fuel in the plane reservoir.]]
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** Farrier [[spoiler: shot a his flare gun in the cockpit of his plane. Flares are a mix between a pyrotechnic compound (like potassium nitrate) and natural fuel (like sulfur or charcoal), which makes them highly flammable regardless of the presence of fuel in the plane reservoir.]]
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** Farrier [[spoiler: shot a flare in the cockpit of his plane. Flares are a mix between a pyrotechnic compound (like potassium nitrate) and natural fuel (like sulfur or charcoal), which makes them highly flammable regardless of the presence of fuel in the plane intake.]]
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** Farrier [[spoiler: shot a flare in the cockpit of his plane. Flares are a mix between a pyrotechnic compound (like potassium nitrate) and natural fuel (like sulfur or charcoal), which makes them highly flammable regardless of the presence of fuel in the plane intake.reservoir.]]
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** Farrier [[spoiler: shot a flare in the cockpit of his plane. Flares are highly combustible regardless of the presence of fuel.]]
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** Farrier [[spoiler: shot a flare in the cockpit of his plane. Flares are a mix between a pyrotechnic compound (like potassium nitrate) and natural fuel (like sulfur or charcoal), which makes them highly combustible flammable regardless of the presence of fuel.fuel in the plane intake.]]
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* How was Farrier [[spoiler: able to burn his plane upon landing at the beach so quickly given that it was out of fuel?]]
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* How was Farrier [[spoiler: able to burn his plane upon landing at the beach so quickly given that it was out of fuel?]]fuel?]]
** Farrier [[spoiler: shot a flare in the cockpit of his plane. Flares are highly combustible regardless of the presence of fuel.]]
** Farrier [[spoiler: shot a flare in the cockpit of his plane. Flares are highly combustible regardless of the presence of fuel.]]
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** Similar to the above, [[spoiler:Tommy and Alex have made it back to England - but there's a good chance in only a couple of years they'll be in action again, albeit with more experience and training.]]
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** Similar to the above, [[spoiler:Tommy and Alex have made it back to England - but there's a good chance in only a couple of years they'll be in action again, albeit with more experience and training.]]]]
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* How was Farrier [[spoiler: able to burn his plane upon landing at the beach so quickly given that it was out of fuel?]]
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* How was Farrier [[spoiler: able to burn his plane upon landing at the beach so quickly given that it was out of fuel?]]
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* This troper went to see the film with a friend who asked [[spoiler: about the blind man handing out blankets at the end. I quickly deduced that this man was likely a WorldWarOne Veteran who was blinded by Mustard Gas.]] He can't fight in this war, but that doesn't mean he won't do what he can for those that can fight.
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* This troper went to see the film with a friend who asked [[spoiler: about the blind man handing out blankets at the end. I quickly deduced that this man was likely a WorldWarOne Veteran veteran who was blinded by Mustard Gas.mustard gas.]] He can't fight in this war, but that doesn't mean he won't do what he can for those that can fight.
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* A lot of viewers wonder why Farrier doesn't [[spoiler:land his out-of-fuel Spitfire inside the Allied perimeter]]. If you look carefully, though, [[spoiler:he's actually started to deploy his landing flaps when he makes his first pass over the beach]]. [[spoiler:By turning around to shoot down the Stuka, he burns most of his remaining airspeed, which forces him to glide on forward and set down quickly instead of banking around towards the Allied-held beach]]. This decision perfectly mirrors his tendency to risk his own safety if it gives him a chance to save more lives, as shown by [[spoiler:his earlier decision to turn back to defend the destroyer from German planes while running out of fuel]].
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* This troper went to see the film with a friend who asked [[spoiler: about the blind man handing out blankets at the end. I quickly deduced that this man was likely a WorldWarOne Veteran who was blinded by Mustard Gas.]] He can't fight in this war, but that doesn't mean he won't do what he can for those that can fight.
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* Cillian Murphy's first appearance (chronologically, not in the movie proper) [[spoiler:is of him commanding a lifeboat, with the implication that he's an officer and the troops are under his command. So not only has he survived his ship being sunken and a spell on the cold channel (for god knows how long), he's probably lost every man under his command. No wonder he's so traumatised.]]
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* Cillian Murphy's first appearance (chronologically, not in the movie proper) [[spoiler:is of him commanding a lifeboat, with the implication that he's an officer and the troops are under his command. So not only has he survived his ship being sunken and a spell on the cold channel (for god knows how long), he's probably lost every man under his command. No wonder he's so traumatised.]]
* Not only has Peter [[spoiler:lost his brother and best friend in the space of probably only a few months]], it won't be long before he's due for call-up - for a war which will last another five years.
** Similar to the above, [[spoiler:Tommy and Alex have made it back to England - but there's a good chance in only a couple of years they'll be in action again, albeit with more experience and training.]]
* Not only has Peter [[spoiler:lost his brother and best friend in the space of probably only a few months]], it won't be long before he's due for call-up - for a war which will last another five years.
** Similar to the above, [[spoiler:Tommy and Alex have made it back to England - but there's a good chance in only a couple of years they'll be in action again, albeit with more experience and training.]]
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** Alternatively, you can interpret it as him [[spoiler:deciding to bottle up his grief, knowing that it would just distract him from the more important task at hand.]]
* In the scene where [[spoiler:the He 111 bomber crashes into an oil slick and traps numerous sailors in the fire]], the viewpoint briefly changes [[spoiler:to a soldier who tries desperately to hold his breath underwater, before being forced to surface and then horribly burns to death]]. [[spoiler:The soldier's face isn't seen clearly at first, and Tommy, who is being pulled aboard the ''Moonstone'', is covered in oil and grime, leading the viewer to believe for a moment that the unfortunate soldier was indeed Tommy]]. While the BaitAndSwitch might feel jarring at first, it ties into the overarching theme of individuals being rendered helpless and having little agency over the events in motion, as it shocks us into remembering that [[spoiler:[[NotSoDifferent the protagonists are just as vulnerable and desperate to survive as the unnamed soldier]], and that our implicit trust in their importance versus the other soldiers' expendability is ultimately arbitrary.]]
* In the scene where [[spoiler:the He 111 bomber crashes into an oil slick and traps numerous sailors in the fire]], the viewpoint briefly changes [[spoiler:to a soldier who tries desperately to hold his breath underwater, before being forced to surface and then horribly burns to death]]. [[spoiler:The soldier's face isn't seen clearly at first, and Tommy, who is being pulled aboard the ''Moonstone'', is covered in oil and grime, leading the viewer to believe for a moment that the unfortunate soldier was indeed Tommy]]. While the BaitAndSwitch might feel jarring at first, it ties into the overarching theme of individuals being rendered helpless and having little agency over the events in motion, as it shocks us into remembering that [[spoiler:[[NotSoDifferent the protagonists are just as vulnerable and desperate to survive as the unnamed soldier]], and that our implicit trust in their importance versus the other soldiers' expendability is ultimately arbitrary.]]
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* Peter's [[spoiler: [[AngstWhatAngst seemingly easy acceptance of his best friend's death]] makes]] a [[Tearjerker depressing amount of sense]] with [[spoiler: the reveal that his older brother was killed in combat just a few weeks earlier. Peter was likely fully aware of the danger they were going into, and knew that some of them might not make it back to England alive.]]
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* Peter's [[spoiler: [[AngstWhatAngst seemingly easy acceptance of his best friend's death]] makes]] a [[Tearjerker [[{{Tearjerker}} depressing amount of sense]] with [[spoiler: the reveal that his older brother was killed in combat just a few weeks earlier. Peter was likely fully aware of the danger they were going into, and knew that some of them might not make it back to England alive.]]
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* Peter's [[spoiler: [[AngstWhatAngst seemingly easy acceptance of his best friend's death]] makes]] a [[Tearjerker depressing amount of sense]] with [[spoiler: the reveal that his older brother was killed in combat just a few weeks earlier. Peter was likely fully aware of the danger they were going into, and knew that some of them might not make it back to England alive.]]
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!!FridgeBrilliance
Gibson ([[spoiler:A French soldier disguised as a Brit]]) as a metaphor for the French role in Dunkirk: [[spoiler:He helps the British soldiers several times despite simply wanting to survive himself, but in the end gets left behind and dies.]]
Gibson ([[spoiler:A French soldier disguised as a Brit]]) as a metaphor for the French role in Dunkirk: [[spoiler:He helps the British soldiers several times despite simply wanting to survive himself, but in the end gets left behind and dies.]]
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* Gibson ([[spoiler:A French soldier disguised as a Brit]]) as a metaphor for the French role in Dunkirk: [[spoiler:He helps the British soldiers several times despite simply wanting to survive himself, but in the end gets left behind and dies.]]
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* Cillian Murphy's first appearance (chronologically, not in the movie proper) [[spoiler:is of him commanding a lifeboat, with the implication that he's an officer and the troops are under his command. So not only has he survived his ship being sunken and a spell on the cold channel (for god knows how long), he's probably lost every man under his command. No wonder he's so traumatised.]]
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Gibson ([[spoiler:A French soldier disguised as a Brit]]) as a metaphor for the French role in Dunkirk: [[spoiler:He helps the British soldiers several times despite simply wanting to survive himself, but in the end gets left behind and dies.]]
Gibson ([[spoiler:A French soldier disguised as a Brit]]) as a metaphor for the French role in Dunkirk: [[spoiler:He helps the British soldiers several times despite simply wanting to survive himself, but in the end gets left behind and dies.]]
