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* IAmAMonster: Early in the film, Sabina is disgusted with herself regarding the sexual nature of her hysteria.
--> '''Sabina''': There's...there's no hope for me. I'm vile... and... filthy and... corrupt. I must... I must never be let out of here.



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-->-- '''Otto Gross'''



Meanwhile, Jung and Freud begin a correspondence. While impressed with Freud, Jung has reservations about his rigidly sexual approach to the human psyche. Freud brands Jung his successor and heir, reinforcing the paternalistic relationship. The two collaborate but continue to grow apart for a variety of reasons: Jung denies that all psychology is sexual and final, while Freud denounces Jung's interest in non-traditional venues of psychological study, which he calls "mystical nonsense." The two also chafe at their sociopolitical differences; Freud an Austrian Jew with little expendable income, and Jung a wealthy Swiss Protestant. This is all complicated by Jung's affair with Sabina; the young woman turns to Freud after their affair ends, and Jung feels betrayed, convinced she has chosen Freud's interpretation of psychoanalysis over his.

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Meanwhile, Jung and Freud begin a correspondence. While impressed with Freud, Jung has reservations about his rigidly sexual approach to the human psyche. Freud brands Jung his successor and heir, reinforcing the paternalistic relationship. The two collaborate and even share their studies about Dr. Otto Gross (Creator/VincentCassel), but nonetheless continue to grow apart for a variety of reasons: Jung denies that all psychology is sexual and final, while Freud denounces Jung's interest in non-traditional venues of psychological study, which he calls "mystical nonsense." The two also chafe at their sociopolitical differences; Freud an Austrian Jew with little expendable income, and Jung a wealthy Swiss Protestant. This is all complicated by Jung's affair with Sabina; the young woman turns to Freud after their affair ends, and Jung feels betrayed, convinced she has chosen Freud's interpretation of psychoanalysis over his.


--> '''Sigmund Freud''': Don't put any trust in the aryans, Miss Spielrein. Never forget that we are Jews.

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--> '''Sigmund Freud''': Don't put any trust in the aryans, aryans. We are Jews, Miss Spielrein. Never forget that Spielrein, and Jews we are Jews. shall always remain."


* FreudWasRight: Part of the crux is the in-universe dispute whether he is or not. At least he was right in Sabina's case, concerning the sexual roots of her hysteria. David Cronenberg and Mortensen have stated that they are totally pro-Freud and believe that he was in the right.

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* FreudWasRight: Part of the crux is the in-universe dispute whether he is or not. At least he was right in Sabina's case, concerning the sexual roots of her hysteria. David Cronenberg and Mortensen have stated that they are totally pro-Freud and believe that he was in the right. Sabina Spielrein agrees with Freud more than Jung but she wishes there was a way to reconcile them both. Alas, too much pride...



* SlaveToPR: Freud is wary of Jung's parapsychological approach before any preliminary evaluation is done because it will be used as a weapon by their detractors, who are eager to discredit Freud as a wacko.

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* SlaveToPR: Freud is wary of Jung's parapsychological approach before any preliminary evaluation is done because it will be used as a weapon by their detractors, who are eager to discredit Freud as a wacko. In his interactions with Sabina however, he confirms that his real reasons was that he really did disagree with Jung's mystical turn because it offended his atheistic secular approach and moreover he felt was reinforcing the problem rather than fixing it.



* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue: The ending explains the characters' ultimate fates. Otto died of starvation in Berlin in 1920; Freud was driven out of Austria by the Nazis and later died in 1939 of cancer, an exile in London; Sabina was executed by Nazis during the invasion on Rostov-on-Don; and Jung ultimately came out of his experiences changed for the better, becoming one of the most respected psychologists of his time for as long as he lived, eventually dying peacefully in 1961.

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* WeUsedToBeFriends: It deals with the breakdown in the friendship between Freud and Jung. When they first met, the two of them spent 13 hours talking non-stop, and traveled on boats together for leisure activity. By the end, they are no longer on speaking terms and exchange vitriolic StronglyWordedLetter about how much either one of them is a BrokenPedestal for the other.
* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue: The ending explains the characters' ultimate fates. [[DownerEnding Otto died of starvation in Berlin in 1920; Freud was driven out of Austria by the Nazis and later died in 1939 of cancer, an exile in London; Sabina was executed by Nazis during the invasion on Rostov-on-Don; Rostov-on-Don]]; and Jung ultimately came out of his experiences changed for the better, becoming one of the most respected psychologists of his time for as long as he lived, eventually dying peacefully in 1961.

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* FigureItOutYourself: This is what psychoanalysis should ideally be concerned with as far as Freud is concerned. Helping people understand themselves and giving them space to help them find themselves. Freud disagrees with Jung who wants to help people by telling them what to do which Freud sees as "playing God" and replacing one delusion with another.

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* JewsLoveToArgue: Freud and Sabina are both conscious of their Jewish-ness and how it affects their interactions with Jung.
--> '''Sigmund Freud''': I have simply opened a door. It's for the young men like yourself to walk through it. I'm sure you have many more doors to open for us. Of course, there's the added difficulty, more ammunition for our enemies, that all of us here in Vienna, in our psychoanalytical circle, are Jews.\\
'''Carl Jung''': I don't see what difference that makes.\\
'''Sigmund Freud''': That, if I may say so, [[DeadpanSnarker is an exquisitely Protestant remark.]]
** Freud returns to this theme later on when he and Sabina interact and discuss her past with Jung:
--> '''Sigmund Freud''': Don't put any trust in the aryans, Miss Spielrein. Never forget that we are Jews.


* {{Biopic}}: The film only covers 12 years of Jung's life but touches on most of the arcs of his biography.

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* {{Biopic}}: A simultaneous one for Jung, Spielrein and Freud. The film only covers 12 years of Jung's life but touches on most of the arcs of his biography.biography, while also dealing with Spielrein's early career as an apprentice and Freud in the middle of his career, searching for an apprentice.



* BrokenPedestal: Freud gradually becomes one for Jung, who laments that his master is seeking [[BlindObedience obedient]] disciples rather than colleagues.

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* BrokenPedestal: Freud and Jung gradually becomes become one for Jung, who each other. Jung laments that his master is seeking [[BlindObedience obedient]] disciples rather than colleagues.colleagues, while Freud feels that Jung is DramaticallyMissingThePoint of psychoanalysis by bringing in mysticism and superstition when he wants it to be a legitimate science. Freud also deplores Jung's treatment of Spielrein and him lying to him about in letters.



* CarlJung: The film portrays him as a conflicted figure, if ultimately correct.



* TheEdwardianEra
* EternalSexualFreedom: Subverted. While Jung's conversations with Otto Gross about monogamy are radical, they are treated as such.

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* TheEdwardianEra
TheEdwardianEra: Most of the film is set during this period.
* EternalSexualFreedom: Subverted. While Jung's conversations with All the shrinks are interested in sex and whether it can provide a path to freedom:
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Otto Gross about monogamy believes in no repression whatsoever and believes that all of social mores, middle-class values, norms, professional code of ethics which forbid such relations are radical, they are treated as such.there to be broken.
** Sabina Spielrein later summarizes the contents of her famous paper (renowned for introducing the concept of the "death drive") where she notes that since sexuality depends so much on contact with other people, it can harm the ego and that an activity so pleasurable can at the same time provoke resistance and aversion. So more or less, not happening.



* FreudianCouch: Averted. Strangely, never makes an appearance. Everyone conducts their therapy while seated upright.

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* FreudianCouch: Averted. Strangely, never makes an appearance. Everyone conducts their therapy while seated upright. We actually do get a glimpse of Freud's famous couch when Jung comes into his office but he doesn't sit on it.



* NippleAndDimed



* UsefulNotes/SigmundFreud: The film plays up Freud's paternalistic and paranoid tendencies, portraying him as a sort of passive-aggressive antagonist.

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* FreudWasRight: Part of the crux is the in-universe dispute whether he is or not. At least he was right in Sabina's case, concerning the sexual roots of her hysteria. David Cronenberg and Mortensen have stated that they are totally pro-Freud and believe that he was in the right.


* FreudWasRight: Part of the crux is the in-universe dispute whether he is or not. At least he was right in Sabina's case, concerning the sexual roots of her hysteria.
** WordOfGod, David Cronenberg and Mortensen have stated that they are totally pro-Freud and believe that he was in the right.


Jung, an up-and-coming Swiss doctor, is working at a sanatorium when he begins to treat a certain Sabina Spielrein. Sabina, a Russian Jew, is hysterical, and Jung decides to try the "talking cure" being popularized by Freud in Vienna. The treatment proves successful, and Sabina returns to medical school, staying in contact with Jung. The two develop a romantic relationship, with Jung dissatisfied with his marriage to a young Swiss heiress. Their affair is intellectual (exploring Jung's fascination with memes and classic archetypes) and sexual (exploring Sabina's masochism in a consensual environment). Eventually, the guilt of his infidelity overwhelms Jung (as well as rumors revealing its existence to the public), and he ends the affair despite Sabina's vehement opposition. Eventually, the two reconcile and re-initiate their affair, but this time, Sabina breaks it off to go work in Vienna with Freud.

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Jung, an up-and-coming up and coming Swiss doctor, is working at a sanatorium when he begins to treat a certain Sabina Spielrein. Sabina, a Russian Jew, is hysterical, and Jung decides to try the "talking cure" being popularized by Freud in Vienna. The treatment proves successful, and Sabina returns to medical school, staying in contact with Jung. The two develop a romantic relationship, with Jung dissatisfied with his marriage to a young Swiss heiress. Their affair is intellectual (exploring Jung's fascination with memes and classic archetypes) and sexual (exploring Sabina's masochism in a consensual environment). Eventually, the guilt of his infidelity overwhelms Jung (as well as rumors revealing its existence to the public), and he ends the affair despite Sabina's vehement opposition. Eventually, the two reconcile and re-initiate their affair, but this time, Sabina breaks it off to go work in Vienna with Freud.


* SexAsARiteOfPassage: [[spoiler:Sabina.]]

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* SexAsARiteOfPassage: SexAsRiteOfPassage: [[spoiler:Sabina.]]


* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue: The ending explains the characters' ultimate fates. Otto died of starvation in Berlin in 1920; Freud was driven out of Austria by the Nazis and later died in 1939 of cancer, an exile in London; Sabina was executed by Nazis during the invasion on Rostov-on-Don; and Jung ultimately came out of his experiences changed for the better, becoming one of the most respected psychologists of his time for as long as he lived.

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* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue: The ending explains the characters' ultimate fates. Otto died of starvation in Berlin in 1920; Freud was driven out of Austria by the Nazis and later died in 1939 of cancer, an exile in London; Sabina was executed by Nazis during the invasion on Rostov-on-Don; and Jung ultimately came out of his experiences changed for the better, becoming one of the most respected psychologists of his time for as long as he lived.lived, eventually dying peacefully in 1961.


* TheLastTemptation: Subverted, in that Jung makes the plunge.


* ItsPronouncedTroPay: Freud corrects Jung on the name of the method, it's pronounced PSYCHO-analisis.

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* ItsPronouncedTroPay: ItIsPronouncedTroPay: Freud corrects Jung on the name of the method, it's pronounced PSYCHO-analisis.


* BreakingSpeech: Gross to Jung.



* BreakThemByTalking: Gross to Jung.



* DreamingOfThingsToCome: Jung claims to have been experiencing bouts of ESP his entire life, and in one scene (set in 1914), describes a dream where [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne Northern Europe is drowned in a tidal wave of blood.]]

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* DreamingOfThingsToCome: Jung claims to have been experiencing bouts of ESP his entire life, and in one scene (set in 1914), describes a dream where [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI Northern Europe is drowned in a tidal wave of blood.]]blood]].



* ItsPronouncedTropay: Freud corrects Jung on the name of the method, it's pronounced PSYCHO-analisis.

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* ItsPronouncedTropay: ItsPronouncedTroPay: Freud corrects Jung on the name of the method, it's pronounced PSYCHO-analisis.



* SexAsARiteOfPassage: [[spoiler:Sabina]].

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* SexAsARiteOfPassage: [[spoiler:Sabina]].[[spoiler:Sabina.]]



* ThereAreNoCoincidences: Jung is a firm believer in this, drawing on personal experience.



* ThereAreNoCoincidences: Jung is a firm believer in this, drawing on personal experience.

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