History DethroningMoment / FullmetalAlchemist

* Tropers/{{RAHDRON}}: while my problems with the 2003 anime didn't begin in episode 46, it turned the rest of the anime in an almost masochistic experience, as everybody became puppets to further the plot, rather than actual characters. Long story short (from what I remember), Al has [[SarcasmMode the great idea]] of well... [[spoiler:asking help in how to use his Philosopher's stone ... to Shou Tucker. Obviously he only wanted to use him to resurrect the daughter that he turned into a chimera (if you didn't want to do that to her, why did you even do it, genius) and was killed by Scar. Problem 1: Alphonse acts like a dumbass in asking Shou Tucker help, after everything he did. Problem 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but here Tucker is supposed to be somewhat sympathetic? [[Glurge What]] [[UnfortunateImplications the hell?]]. Problem 3: This is a really cheap method for drama that doesn't really contribute anything to the plot, as I wouldn't find it that bad if Tucker had simply kidnapped him or set him a trap - BY NOT TELLING HIM WHO HE WAS, and afterwards they beated him up, then I would actually care. Problem 4: If the idea was to make Al act more like his age; there's a difference between being naive and being an idiot. Finally the result is that... Nina doesn't come back to life (apparently because his will wasn't strong enough) and Tucker goes nuts or something... And that's it for his character. So yes, he is not fought or confronted in any way at the end of the series. At least it's not Karma Houdini , as he goes nuts and doesn't succeed in what he wanted, but even then... Why did we have to keep this jerk alive in the first place, 2003 anime?]] Everyone acts like a complete idiot (most of the time) from this point to the end of the show (especially Alphonse).

* Tropers/RAHDRON: while my problems with the 2003 anime didn't begin in episode 46, it turned the rest of the anime in an almost masochistic experience, as everybody became puppets to further the plot, rather than actual characters. Long story short (from what I remember), Al has [[SarcasmMode the great idea]] of well... [[spoiler:asking help in how to use his Philosopher's stone ... to Shou Tucker. Obviously he only wanted to use him to resurrect the daughter that he turned into a chimera (if you didn't want to do that to her, why did you even do it, genius) and was killed by Scar. Problem 1: Alphonse acts like a dumbass in asking Shou Tucker help, after everything he did. Problem 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but here Tucker is supposed to be somewhat sympathetic? [[Glurge What]] [[UnfortunateImplications the hell?]]. Problem 3: This is a really cheap method for drama that doesn't really contribute anything to the plot, as I wouldn't find it that bad if Tucker had simply kidnapped him or set him a trap - BY NOT TELLING HIM WHO HE WAS, and afterwards they beated him up, then I would actually care. Problem 4: If the idea was to make Al act more like his age; there's a difference between being naive and being an idiot. Finally the result is that... Nina doesn't come back to life (apparently because his will wasn't strong enough) and Tucker goes nuts or something... And that's it for his character. So yes, he is not fought or confronted in any way at the end of the series. At least it's not Karma Houdini , as he goes nuts and doesn't succeed in what he wanted, but even then... Why did we have to keep this jerk alive in the first place, 2003 anime?]] Everyone acts like a complete idiot (most of the time) from this point to the end of the show (especially Alphonse).

* Tropers/RAHDRON while my problems with the 2003 anime didn't begin in episode 46, it turned the rest of the anime in a much less enjoyable experience. Long story short (from what I remember), Al has [[SarcasmMode the great idea]] of well... [[spoiler:asking help in how to use his Philosopher's stone ... to Shou Tucker. Obviously he only wanted to use him to resurrect the daughter that he turned into a chimera (if you didn't want to do that to her, why did you even do it, genius) and was killed by Scar. Problem 1: Alphonse acts like a dumbass in asking Shou Tucker help, after everything he did. Problem 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but here Tucker is supposed to be somewhat sympathetic? [[Glurge What the hell?]]. Problem 3: cheap method for drama, as it wouldn't be that bad if Tucker had simply kidnapped him or set him a trap - BY NOT TELLING HIM WHO HE WAS, then I would actually care. Problem 4: If the idea was to make Al act more like his age; there's a difference between being naive and being an idiot.]]

* Tropers/CJCroen1393: Even though I quite like the first anime, I'm not particularly fond of "The Phantom Thief". First off, Psiren (the titular thief) was hoisted as a WellIntentionedExtremist, yet because practically every attempt she made to help someone turned out to be a lie and the excuse of her [[spoiler:wanting to give the dying, Venice-like notoriety]] is dubious at best[[note]]Given her personality, she could very well have wanted all the fame and glory for herself[[/note]], she comes off as a DesignatedHero. Second, Ed gets the brunt of the abuse in the episode, despite being the only competent person who wants to catch the thief; he gets kicked around a lot by Psiren, he gets treated like a heartless jerk for wanting to see her arrested (despite the fact that all he's basically doing is what he's been doing for the majority of the series up to that point; [[NiceGuy doing the right thing simply because he knows it's the right thing to do]]) and even gets ''food poisoning'' at the very beginning and has to get a really unnecessary looking shot. Third off, Psiren flirts with Ed relentlessly. It's supposed to be [[{{Fanservice}} sexy]], [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale but the age gap, her creepy insistence on it and Ed repeatedly telling her that he's not interested]] makes it [[NoYay really, really creepy instead]]. And lastly, Alphonse is holding the IdiotBall because he's got a giant crush on Psiren. Why is he crushing on her? Because she ''reminds him of his mother''. Umm, ''[[UnfortunateImplications ewwww]]?'' Pretty much the worst episode ever for FMA, and to make matters worse, [[KarmaHoudini Psiren escapes and gets no punishment in the end]].

* Tropers/CJCroen1393: Even though I quite like the first anime, I'm not particularly fond of "The Phantom Thief". First off, Psiren (the titular thief) was hoisted as a WellIntentionedExtremist, yet because practically every attempt she made to help someone turned out to be a lie and the excuse of her [[spoiler:wanting to give the dying, Venice-like notoriety]] is dubious at best[[note]]Given her personality, she could very well have wanted all the fame and glory for herself[[/note]], she comes off as a DesignatedHero. Second, Ed gets the brunt of the abuse in the episode, despite being the only competent person who wants to catch the thief; he gets kicked around a lot by Psiren, he gets treated like a heartless jerk for wanting to see her arrested (despite the fact that all he's basically doing is what he's been doing for the majority of the series up to that point; [[NiceGuy doing the right thing simply because he knows it's the right thing to do]]) and even gets ''food poisoning'' at the very beginning and has to get a really unnecessary looking shot. Third off, Psiren flirts with Ed relentlessly. It's supposed to be [[{{Fanservice}} sexy]], [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale but the age gap, her creepy insistence on it and Ed repeatedly telling her that he's not interested]] makes it [[NoYay really, really creepy instead]]. And lastly, Alphonse is holding the IdiotBall because he's got a giant crush on Psiren. Why is he crushing on her? Because she ''reminds him of his mother''. Umm, ''[[UnfortunateImplications ewwww]]?'' Pretty much the worst episode ever for FMA, and to make matters worse, [[KarmaHoudini Psiren escapes and gets no punishment in the end]].
* Tropers/{{Larkmarn}}: I loved the first anime. I thought it was the bee's knees. Then there was the "Other Brothers Elric" two-parter. It wasn't anything major about it, but it just seemed like a massive drop in quality. Following right after "The Phantom Thief" which I also didn't care for. Then I found out that all of these episodes I disliked were anime-original. Turns out whenever the anime deviated from the manga, I noticed it got worse (even when I didn't know it was deviating). So I just stopped watching and read the manga (and watched ''Brotherhood''). I hate that it turned me into one of those TheyChangedItSoItSucks purists, but it really did.

** Tropers/{{cricri3007}}: Seconded. No matter how you stretch it, [[spoiler:a soul isn't worth just an arm]] and I spent the few page of the end of the fight wondering why were they all cheering on Ed and not just shooting the BigBad.

* Tropers/AnimeKing1108: The 2003 anime, while a great series on its own merit, has one aspect that grinds my gears: [[spoiler: Fuhrer Bradley's defeat]]. While he actually put up a decent fight, he pretty much dies from his own BondVillainStupidity by [[spoiler: giving Selim the key to the safe holding his skull]]. 1. Why did he think keeping his own weakness in his house was a good idea? 2. Why did he think giving [[spoiler: Selim]] the key to it without explaining why its contents are important was a good idea? I get that he's supposed to be the Sin of Pride, but even Proud people know when they're basically causing their own deaths.

* Tropers/{{Larkmarn}}: I loved the first anime. I thought it was the bee's knees. Then there was the "Other Brothers Elric" two-parter. It wasn't anything major about it, but it just seemed like a massive drop in quality. Following right after "The Phantom Thief" which I also didn't care for. Then I found out that all of these episodes I disliked were anime-original. Turns out whenever the anime deviated from the manga, I noticed it got worse (even when I didn't know it was deviating). So I just stopped watching and read the manga (and watched ''Brotherhood''). I hate that it turned me into one of those TheyChangedItSoItSucks purists, but it really did.
* Tropers/{{Pren}}: Al's period of existential {{Wangst}} over whether he's just an artificial being Ed created. Not a single person who reads the manga or watches either series could possibly believe it's true for a second, yet we still have to go through an extended period of him moping about the possibility just because an AxCrazy lunatic told him it might be true. The 2003 series takes it UpToEleven by having Al interrupt Winry's speech about how stupid the idea is and go on to keep whining about it for several more episodes until he gets the truth slapped into him by Scar of all people, incidentally also forming part of the show's apparent determination to remove each and every bit of agency Winry had in the manga, likely forming a big reason for the character's {{Hatedom}} that the original version doesn't deserve at all.

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* Tropers/{{Larkmarn}}: I loved the first anime. I thought it was the bee's knees. Then there was the "Other Brothers Elric" two-parter. It wasn't anything major about it, but it just seemed like a massive drop in quality. Following right after "The Phantom Thief" which I also didn't care for. Then I found out that all of these episodes I disliked were anime-original. Turns out whenever the anime deviated from the manga, I noticed it got worse (even when I didn't know it was deviating). So I just stopped watching and read the manga (and watched ''Brotherhood''). I hate that it turned me into one of those TheyChangedItSoItSucks purists, but it really did.

* Tropers/{{Baronobeefdip}}: In Manga/FullmetalAlchemist, [[spoiler:Greed's 2nd death]] in the manga. It just felt like nothing more than a major AssPull, especially since [[spoiler:Greed]] had just gotten a major dose of CharacterDevelopment in the previous chapter when he stated he wanted [[spoiler:friends above anything else]]. Oh, and just to rub salt in the proverbial wounds, they let Pride live... but use the flimsy excuse of "Amnesia". Why couldn't Arakawa just pull a {{Scanners}} and make it ambiguous as to whether or not [[spoiler:Greed was still inside Ling]] at the end instead of killing him off?

* Tropers/CJCroen1393: Even though I quite like the first anime, I'm not particularly fond of "The Phantom Thief". First off, Psiren (the titular thief) was hoisted as a WellIntentionedExtremist, yet because practically every attempt she made to help someone turned out to be a lie and the excuse of her [[spoiler:wanting to give the dying, Venice-like notoriety]] is dubious at best[[note]]Given her personality, she could very well have wanted all the fame and glory for herself[[/note]], she comes off as a DesignatedHero. Second, Ed gets the brunt of the abuse in the episode, despite being the only competent person who wants to catch the thief; he gets kicked around a lot by Psiren, he gets treated like a heartless jerk for wanting to see her arrested (despite the fact that all he's basically doing is what he's been doing for the majority of the series up to that point; [[NiceGuy doing the right thing simply because he knows it's the right thing to do]]) and even gets ''food poisoning'' at the very beginning and has to get a really unnecessary looking shot. Third off, Psiren flirts with Ed relentlessly. It's supposed to be [[{{Fanservice}} sexy]], [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale but the age gap, her creepy insistence on it and Ed repeatedly telling her that he's not interested]] makes it [[NoYay really, really creepy instead]]. And lastly, Alphonse is holding the IdiotBall because he's got a giant crush on Psiren. Why is he crushing on her? Because she ''reminds him of his mother''. Umm, ''[[UnfortunateImplications ewwww]]?'' Pretty much the worst episode ever for FMA, and to make matters worse, [[KarmaHoudini Psiren escapes and gets no punishment in the end]].

* Tropers/CJCroen1393: Even though I quite like the first anime, I'm not particularly fond of "The Phantom Thief". First off, Psiren (the titular thief) was hoisted as a WellIntentionedExtremist, yet because practically every attempt she made to help someone turned out to be a lie and whether or not the excuse of her [[spoiler:wanting to give the dying, Venice-like notoriety]] is dubious at best, she comes off as a DesignatedHero. Second, Ed gets the brunt of the abuse in the episode, despite being the only competent person who wants to catch the thief; he gets kicked around a lot by Psiren, he gets treated like a heartless jerk for wanting to see her arrested (despite the fact that all he's basically doing is what he's been doing for the majority of the series up to that point; [[NiceGuy doing the right thing simply because he knows it's the right thing to do]]) and even gets ''food poisoning'' at the very beginning and has to get a really unnecessary looking shot. Third off, Psiren flirts with Ed relentlessly. It's supposed to be [[{{Fanservice}} sexy]], [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale but the age gap, her creepy insistence on it and Ed repeatedly telling her that he's not interested]] makes it [[NoYay really, really creepy instead]]. And lastly, Alphonse is holding the IdiotBall because he's got a giant crush on Psiren. Why is he crushing on her? Because she ''reminds him of his mother''. Umm, ''[[UnfortunateImplications ewwww]]?'' Pretty much the worst episode ever for FMA, and to make matters worse, [[KarmaHoudini Psiren escapes and gets no punishment in the end]].

* Tropers/CJCroen1393: The "4Koma Theater" series is usually hilarious and adorable, but one of the later installments left me just sitting there shaking my head; their spoof on [[spoiler:Hoenheim]]'s death. Basically, [[spoiler:Pinako sees Hoenheim dead at Trisha's grave... then tells him quietly that it's not Trisha's grave]]. Yep, [[DudeNotFunny that's the punchline]]. Way to ruin the saddest, most heartwarming death in the series!

* Tropers/{{Shrimps}}: I didn't care much for the anime version of FMA, but it hit a new low with the scene when Roy shot Winry's parents and [[AteHisGun becomes all suicidal]] because of apparently immense guilt from killing two people. Wait, hasn't he and his army killed a couple if hundreds already? Sure, this time it was [[ApeShallNeverKillApe his own kin]] but that just makes it [[BrokenAesop worse]].
* Tropers/CJCroen1393: The "4Koma Theater" series is usually hilarious and adorable, but one of the later installments left me just sitting there shaking my head; their spoof on [[spoiler:Hoenheim]]'s death. Basically, [[spoiler:Pinako sees Hoenheim dead at Trisha's grave...then tells him quietly that it's not Trisha's grave]]. Yep, [[DudeNotFunny that's the punchline]]. Way to ruin the saddest, most heartwarming death in the series!

* Tropers/StyxD: The show's worst moment for me was, often considered a CrowningMomentOfAwesome, Alphonse [[spoiler:sacrificing himself to restore Ed's arm]] and the subsequent fight with [[spoiler:Father]]. To me it looked like a huge contrivance for the sake of drama and allowing the protagonist to land the final blow on [[spoiler:the BigBad. Father in his shambling, deprived of Philosopher's Stone state was no danger to anyone]]. There were more then enough strong characters standing around to take him down, even without getting close to him, like Roy or May, who instead seemed to be content just cheering for Ed. Hell, even a regular [[RedShirt soldier]] would do, as proven by the fact that [[spoiler:Father didn't manage to retaliate against Ed's blows even once]]. But no, we had to have forced dramatic tension and then a boring CurbStompBattle. Fortunately, this didn't manage to ruin the great series for me, because it ended soon after that.

* Tropers/{{Baronobeefdip}}: In Manga/FullmetalAlchemist, [[spoiler:Greed's 2nd death]] in the manga. It just felt like nothing more than a major AssPull, especially since [[spoiler:Greed]] had just gotten a major dose of CharacterDevelopment in the previous chapter when he stated he wanted [[spoiler:friends above anything else]]. Oh, and just to rub salt in the proverbial wounds, they let Pride live...but use the flimsy excuse of "Amnesia". Why couldn't Arakawa just pull a {{Scanners}} and make it ambiguous as to whether or not [[spoiler:Greed was still inside Ling]] at the end instead of killing him off?

* Tropers/DrZulu2010: Ed defeating Pride is an AssPull. Mostly, because the way Ed defeats Pride is by turning himself into a philosopher's stone and forcing his way into Pride. First of all, when the hell did he learned this? Also, why Hohenheim, [[spoiler:who is a living Philosopher's stone by the way]], wasn't the one who defeats him? Ed defeating Father? I can understand. But this one smells of blatant DeusExMachina.

* Tropers/CJCroen1393: The "4Koma Theater" series is usually hilarious and adorable, but one of the later installments left me just sitting there shaking my head; their spoof on [[spoiler:Hoenheim]]'s death. Basically, [[spoiler:Pinako sees Hoenheim dead at Trisha's grave...then tells him quietly that it's not Trisha's grave]]. Yep, [[DudeNotFunny that's the punchline]]. Way to ruin the saddest, most heartwarming death in the series!
** Tropers/WickedIcon: Nothing wrong with BlackComedy...

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* Tropers/AnimeKing1108: [[spoiler:Dante]]. After several episodes of building her up as a great threat, how does she go out? [[spoiler:Gluttony eats her offscreen]]. Say what you want about Father's defeat, but at least he actually went out fighting. Instead, we get this AntiClimaxBoss that swears revenge like [[InspectorGadget Doctor Claw]], only to die immediately after.

{{Fullmetal Alchemist}} is one of the most respected and well loved anime in the whole entire genre with its [[NightmareFuel/FullmetalAlchemist visceral imagery]] to its [[Funny/FullmetalAlchemist hilarious]] and [[Awesome/FullmetalAlchemist fist-pumping moments]] to its [[Heartwarming/FullmetalAlchemist emotionally]] [[Tearjerker/FullmetalAlchemist powerful]] scenes. A show with this magnitude having a page like [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck THIS]] is sort of shocking. But since the series had its fair share of flaws, these are the moments where not even transmutation wouldn't make them better and would be better off in the [[FateWorseThanDeath Gate Of Truth]].

{{Fullmetal Alchemist}} is one of the most respected and well loved anime in the whole entire genre with its [[NightmareFuel/FullmetalAlchemist visceral imagery]] to its [[Funny/FullmetalAlchemist hilarious]] and [[Awesome/FullmetalAlchemist fist-pumping moments]] to its [[Heartwarming/FullmetalAlchemist emotionally]] [[Tearjerker/FullmetalAlchemist powerful]] scenes. A show with this magnitude having a page like [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck THIS]] is sort of shocking. But since the series had its fair share of flaws, these are the moments where not even transmutation wouldn't make this better and would be better off in the [[FateWorseThanDeath Gate Of Truth]].

{{Fullmetal Alchemist}} is one of the most respected and well loved anime in the whole entire genre with its [[NightmareFuel/FullmetalAlchemist visceral imagery]] to its [[Funny/FullmetalAlchemist hilarious]] and [[Awesome/FullmetalAlchemist fist-pumping moments]] to its [[Heartwarming/FullmetalAlchemist emotionally]] [[Tearjerker/FullmetalAlchemist powerful]] scenes. A show with this magnitude having a page like [[DethroningMomentOfSuck THIS]] is sort of shocking. But since the series had its fair share of flaws, these are the moments where not even transmutation wouldn't make this better and would be better off in the [[FateWorseThanDeath Gate Of Truth]].

Fullmetal Alchemist is one of the most respected and well loved anime in the whole entire genre with its visceral imagery to its hilarious and fist-pumping moments to its emotionally powerful scenes. A show with this magnitude having a page like THIS is sort of shocking. But since the series had its fair share of flaws, these are the moments where not even transmutation wouldn't make this better and would be better off in the Gate Of Truth.

* Tropers/CJCroen1393: The "4Koma Theater" series is usually hilarious and adorable, but one of the later installments left me just sitting there shaking my head; their spoof on [[spoiler:Hoenheim]]'s death. Basically, [[spoiler:Pinako sees Hoenheim dead at Trisha's grave...then tells him quietly that it's not Trisha's grave]]. Yep, [[DudeNotFunny that's the punchline]]. Way to ruin the saddest, most heartwarming death in the series!

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