History DethroningMoment / FullmetalAlchemist

* Tropers/{{Pren}}: Al's period of existential {{Wangst}} over whether he's just an artificial being Ed created. Not a single person who reads the manga or watches either series could possibly believe it's true for a second, yet we still have to go through an extended period of him moping about the possibility just because an AxCrazy lunatic told him it might be true. The 2003 series takes it UpToEleven by having Al interrupt Winry's speech about how stupid the idea is and go on to keep whining about it for several more episodes until he gets the truth slapped into him by Scar of all people, incidentally also forming part of the show's apparent determination to remove each and every bit of agency Winry had in the manga, likely forming a big reason for the character's {{Hatedom}} that the original version doesn't deserve at all.

* Tropers/{{RAHDRON}}: while my problems with the 2003 anime didn't begin in episode 46, it turned the rest of the anime in an almost masochistic experience, as everybody became puppets to further the plot, rather than actual characters. Long story short (from what I remember), Al has [[SarcasmMode the great idea]] of well... [[spoiler:asking help in how to use his Philosopher's stone ... to Shou Tucker. Obviously he only wanted to use him to resurrect the daughter that he turned into a chimera (if you didn't want to do that to her, why did you even do it, genius) and was killed by Scar. Problem 1: Alphonse acts like a dumbass in asking Shou Tucker help, after everything he did. Problem 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but here Tucker is supposed to be somewhat sympathetic?]] What [[UnfortunateImplications the hell?]] If this isn't Glurge, I don't know what it is. [[spoiler: Problem 3: This is a really cheap method for drama that doesn't really contribute anything to the plot, as I wouldn't find it that bad if Tucker had simply kidnapped him or set him a trap - ''by not telling him who he really was'', and afterwards they beated him up, then I would actually care (but it doesn't happen). Problem 4: If the idea was to make Al act more like a boy of his age; there's a massive difference between being naive and being an IDIOT. Finally the result is that... Nina doesn't come back to life ([[FridgeLogic apparently because Tucker's will wasn't strong enough]]) and Tucker goes nuts or something... And that's it for his character. So yes, he isn't fought or confronted in any way at the end of the series. At least it's not Karma Houdini , as he goes nuts and doesn't succeed in what he wanted, but even then... Why did we have to keep this jerk alive in the first place, 2003 anime?]] Everyone acts like a complete idiot (most of the time) from this point to the end of the show (especially Alphonse).

* Tropers/StyxD: The show's worst moment for me was, often considered a CrowningMomentOfAwesome, Alphonse [[spoiler:sacrificing himself to restore Ed's arm]] and the subsequent fight with [[spoiler:Father]]. To me it looked like a huge contrivance for the sake of drama and allowing the protagonist to land the final blow on [[spoiler:the BigBad. Father in his shambling, deprived of Philosopher's Stone state was no danger to anyone]]. There were more than enough strong characters standing around to take him down, even without getting close to him, like Roy or May, who instead seemed to be content just cheering for Ed. Hell, even a regular [[RedShirt soldier]] would do, as proven by the fact that [[spoiler:Father didn't manage to retaliate against Ed's blows even once]]. But no, we had to have forced dramatic tension and then a boring CurbStompBattle. Fortunately, this didn't manage to ruin the great series for me, because it ended soon after that.

* Tropers/{{RAHDRON}}: while my problems with the 2003 anime didn't begin in episode 46, it turned the rest of the anime in an almost masochistic experience, as everybody became puppets to further the plot, rather than actual characters. Long story short (from what I remember), Al has [[SarcasmMode the great idea]] of well... [[spoiler:asking help in how to use his Philosopher's stone ... to Shou Tucker. Obviously he only wanted to use him to resurrect the daughter that he turned into a chimera (if you didn't want to do that to her, why did you even do it, genius) and was killed by Scar. Problem 1: Alphonse acts like a dumbass in asking Shou Tucker help, after everything he did. Problem 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but here Tucker is supposed to be somewhat sympathetic?]] What [[UnfortunateImplications the hell?]] If this isn't Glurge, I don't know what it is. [[spoiler: Problem 3: This is a really cheap method for drama that doesn't really contribute anything to the plot, as I wouldn't find it that bad if Tucker had simply kidnapped him or set him a trap - BY NOT TELLING HIM WHO HE WAS, and afterwards they beated him up, then I would actually care. Problem 4: If the idea was to make Al act more like his age; there's a difference between being naive and being an idiot. Finally the result is that... Nina doesn't come back to life (apparently because his will wasn't strong enough) and Tucker goes nuts or something... And that's it for his character. So yes, he is not fought or confronted in any way at the end of the series. At least it's not Karma Houdini , as he goes nuts and doesn't succeed in what he wanted, but even then... Why did we have to keep this jerk alive in the first place, 2003 anime?]] Everyone acts like a complete idiot (most of the time) from this point to the end of the show (especially Alphonse).

* Tropers/{{RAHDRON}}: while my problems with the 2003 anime didn't begin in episode 46, it turned the rest of the anime in an almost masochistic experience, as everybody became puppets to further the plot, rather than actual characters. Long story short (from what I remember), Al has [[SarcasmMode the great idea]] of well... [[spoiler:asking help in how to use his Philosopher's stone ... to Shou Tucker. Obviously he only wanted to use him to resurrect the daughter that he turned into a chimera (if you didn't want to do that to her, why did you even do it, genius) and was killed by Scar. Problem 1: Alphonse acts like a dumbass in asking Shou Tucker help, after everything he did. Problem 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but here Tucker is supposed to be somewhat sympathetic?]] [[{{Glurge }}What]] [[UnfortunateImplications the hell?]]. [[spoiler: Problem 3: This is a really cheap method for drama that doesn't really contribute anything to the plot, as I wouldn't find it that bad if Tucker had simply kidnapped him or set him a trap - BY NOT TELLING HIM WHO HE WAS, and afterwards they beated him up, then I would actually care. Problem 4: If the idea was to make Al act more like his age; there's a difference between being naive and being an idiot. Finally the result is that... Nina doesn't come back to life (apparently because his will wasn't strong enough) and Tucker goes nuts or something... And that's it for his character. So yes, he is not fought or confronted in any way at the end of the series. At least it's not Karma Houdini , as he goes nuts and doesn't succeed in what he wanted, but even then... Why did we have to keep this jerk alive in the first place, 2003 anime?]] Everyone acts like a complete idiot (most of the time) from this point to the end of the show (especially Alphonse).

* Tropers/{{RAHDRON}}: while my problems with the 2003 anime didn't begin in episode 46, it turned the rest of the anime in an almost masochistic experience, as everybody became puppets to further the plot, rather than actual characters. Long story short (from what I remember), Al has [[SarcasmMode the great idea]] of well... [[spoiler:asking help in how to use his Philosopher's stone ... to Shou Tucker. Obviously he only wanted to use him to resurrect the daughter that he turned into a chimera (if you didn't want to do that to her, why did you even do it, genius) and was killed by Scar. Problem 1: Alphonse acts like a dumbass in asking Shou Tucker help, after everything he did. Problem 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but here Tucker is supposed to be somewhat sympathetic?]] [[{{Glurge What}}]][[UnfortunateImplications the hell?]]. [[spoiler: Problem 3: This is a really cheap method for drama that doesn't really contribute anything to the plot, as I wouldn't find it that bad if Tucker had simply kidnapped him or set him a trap - BY NOT TELLING HIM WHO HE WAS, and afterwards they beated him up, then I would actually care. Problem 4: If the idea was to make Al act more like his age; there's a difference between being naive and being an idiot. Finally the result is that... Nina doesn't come back to life (apparently because his will wasn't strong enough) and Tucker goes nuts or something... And that's it for his character. So yes, he is not fought or confronted in any way at the end of the series. At least it's not Karma Houdini , as he goes nuts and doesn't succeed in what he wanted, but even then... Why did we have to keep this jerk alive in the first place, 2003 anime?]] Everyone acts like a complete idiot (most of the time) from this point to the end of the show (especially Alphonse).

* Tropers/{{RAHDRON}}: while my problems with the 2003 anime didn't begin in episode 46, it turned the rest of the anime in an almost masochistic experience, as everybody became puppets to further the plot, rather than actual characters. Long story short (from what I remember), Al has [[SarcasmMode the great idea]] of well... [[spoiler:asking help in how to use his Philosopher's stone ... to Shou Tucker. Obviously he only wanted to use him to resurrect the daughter that he turned into a chimera (if you didn't want to do that to her, why did you even do it, genius) and was killed by Scar. Problem 1: Alphonse acts like a dumbass in asking Shou Tucker help, after everything he did. Problem 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but here Tucker is supposed to be somewhat sympathetic?]] [[Glurge What]][[UnfortunateImplications the hell?]]. [[spoiler: Problem 3: This is a really cheap method for drama that doesn't really contribute anything to the plot, as I wouldn't find it that bad if Tucker had simply kidnapped him or set him a trap - BY NOT TELLING HIM WHO HE WAS, and afterwards they beated him up, then I would actually care. Problem 4: If the idea was to make Al act more like his age; there's a difference between being naive and being an idiot. Finally the result is that... Nina doesn't come back to life (apparently because his will wasn't strong enough) and Tucker goes nuts or something... And that's it for his character. So yes, he is not fought or confronted in any way at the end of the series. At least it's not Karma Houdini , as he goes nuts and doesn't succeed in what he wanted, but even then... Why did we have to keep this jerk alive in the first place, 2003 anime?]] Everyone acts like a complete idiot (most of the time) from this point to the end of the show (especially Alphonse).

* Tropers/{{RAHDRON}}: while my problems with the 2003 anime didn't begin in episode 46, it turned the rest of the anime in an almost masochistic experience, as everybody became puppets to further the plot, rather than actual characters. Long story short (from what I remember), Al has [[SarcasmMode the great idea]] of well... [[spoiler:asking help in how to use his Philosopher's stone ... to Shou Tucker. Obviously he only wanted to use him to resurrect the daughter that he turned into a chimera (if you didn't want to do that to her, why did you even do it, genius) and was killed by Scar. Problem 1: Alphonse acts like a dumbass in asking Shou Tucker help, after everything he did. Problem 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but here Tucker is supposed to be somewhat sympathetic? What[[UnfortunateImplications the hell?]]. [[spoiler: Problem 3: This is a really cheap method for drama that doesn't really contribute anything to the plot, as I wouldn't find it that bad if Tucker had simply kidnapped him or set him a trap - BY NOT TELLING HIM WHO HE WAS, and afterwards they beated him up, then I would actually care. Problem 4: If the idea was to make Al act more like his age; there's a difference between being naive and being an idiot. Finally the result is that... Nina doesn't come back to life (apparently because his will wasn't strong enough) and Tucker goes nuts or something... And that's it for his character. So yes, he is not fought or confronted in any way at the end of the series. At least it's not Karma Houdini , as he goes nuts and doesn't succeed in what he wanted, but even then... Why did we have to keep this jerk alive in the first place, 2003 anime?]] Everyone acts like a complete idiot (most of the time) from this point to the end of the show (especially Alphonse).

* Tropers/{{RAHDRON}}: while my problems with the 2003 anime didn't begin in episode 46, it turned the rest of the anime in an almost masochistic experience, as everybody became puppets to further the plot, rather than actual characters. Long story short (from what I remember), Al has [[SarcasmMode the great idea]] of well... [[spoiler:asking help in how to use his Philosopher's stone ... to Shou Tucker. Obviously he only wanted to use him to resurrect the daughter that he turned into a chimera (if you didn't want to do that to her, why did you even do it, genius) and was killed by Scar. Problem 1: Alphonse acts like a dumbass in asking Shou Tucker help, after everything he did. Problem 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but here Tucker is supposed to be somewhat sympathetic? [[Glurge What]] [[UnfortunateImplications the hell?]]. [[spoiler: Problem 3: This is a really cheap method for drama that doesn't really contribute anything to the plot, as I wouldn't find it that bad if Tucker had simply kidnapped him or set him a trap - BY NOT TELLING HIM WHO HE WAS, and afterwards they beated him up, then I would actually care. Problem 4: If the idea was to make Al act more like his age; there's a difference between being naive and being an idiot. Finally the result is that... Nina doesn't come back to life (apparently because his will wasn't strong enough) and Tucker goes nuts or something... And that's it for his character. So yes, he is not fought or confronted in any way at the end of the series. At least it's not Karma Houdini , as he goes nuts and doesn't succeed in what he wanted, but even then... Why did we have to keep this jerk alive in the first place, 2003 anime?]] Everyone acts like a complete idiot (most of the time) from this point to the end of the show (especially Alphonse).