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The 1994 miniseries ''ComicBook/ZeroHour'' made an effort to tidy everything up and simplify the status quo. It was revealed that Katar's father had landed on Earth at some point and ''met'' Carter Hall, and based Thanagar's wings on Carter's and named his son (Katar) after Carter; it was also revealed that Katar was half-human. All the disparate Hawkmen and Hawkwomen were fused into a single being, a "Hawkgod". The end result was that Carter, Katar and Shiera did not exist anymore, Fel Andar became a character of his own and Shayera went back to Thanagar. Unfortunately, this didn't end up settling everything as hoped. Although there was just one Hawkman now – the Hawkgod version – and the ongoing "Hawkman" comic kept going for another year and a half after "Zero Hour", the sheer weight of the character's convoluted backstory led DC editorial to decide that he was just too much of a mess by now to be usable and to declare the character entirely off-limits. For example, Creator/GrantMorrison was prohibited from including Hawkman in the early issues of his series "JLA", leading him to create the new winged character Zauriel as a substitute.

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The 1994 miniseries ''ComicBook/ZeroHour'' ''ComicBook/ZeroHourCrisisInTime'' made an effort to tidy everything up and simplify the status quo. It was revealed that Katar's father had landed on Earth at some point and ''met'' Carter Hall, and based Thanagar's wings on Carter's and named his son (Katar) after Carter; it was also revealed that Katar was half-human. All the disparate Hawkmen and Hawkwomen were fused into a single being, a "Hawkgod". The end result was that Carter, Katar and Shiera did not exist anymore, Fel Andar became a character of his own and Shayera went back to Thanagar. Unfortunately, this didn't end up settling everything as hoped. Although there was just one Hawkman now – the Hawkgod version – and the ongoing "Hawkman" comic kept going for another year and a half after "Zero Hour", the sheer weight of the character's convoluted backstory led DC editorial to decide that he was just too much of a mess by now to be usable and to declare the character entirely off-limits. For example, Creator/GrantMorrison was prohibited from including Hawkman in the early issues of his series "JLA", leading him to create the new winged character Zauriel as a substitute.
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The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name. Not helping matters is how Catar-Ol of Krypton was alive during Krypton's destruction, however the timing of it (Superman must be a baby during it due to his origin, and Carter was alive before Clark's birth and never died) means that he ''co-existed'' with Carter Hall! This was made worse when Shayera Thal returned as well, meaning she ''also'' co-exists with Kendra, and would go on to hang out with Carter Hall ''a lot'', and the two act romantic without ever once acknowledging that Kendra is still alive and around.

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The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal Katar Hol at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name. Not helping matters is how Catar-Ol of Krypton was alive during Krypton's destruction, however the timing of it (Superman must be a baby during it due to his origin, and Carter was alive before Clark's birth and never died) means that he ''co-existed'' with Carter Hall! This was made worse when Shayera Thal returned as well, meaning she ''also'' co-exists with Kendra, and would go on to hang out with Carter Hall ''a lot'', and the two act romantic without ever once acknowledging that Kendra is still alive and around.
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And there you have it (for now). A backstory so convoluted it took a full [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS3E2ShadowOfTheHawk two]] [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS3E11AncientHistory episodes]] of ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' to even scratch the surface. Well... So long as you don't count [[FunWithAnagrams Hro Talak]].

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And there you have it (for now). A backstory so convoluted it took a full [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS3E2ShadowOfTheHawk two]] [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS3E11AncientHistory episodes]] of ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' to even scratch the surface. Well... So long as you don't count [[FunWithAnagrams [[SignificantAnagram Hro Talak]].

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ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} is the poster boy of ContinuitySnarl for a reason. Mostly this is because his Golden Age and Silver Age pre-Crisis versions were particularly different in concept, to a degree approaching InNameOnly, but post-Crisis writers have kept trying to somehow merge the two. So grab your pills and try to follow us as we explain his complicated history.

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ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} is the poster boy of ContinuitySnarl for a reason. Mostly this is because his Golden Age and Silver Age pre-Crisis versions were particularly different in concept, to a degree approaching InNameOnly, but post-Crisis writers have kept trying to somehow merge the two. His background is something of a [[Creator/KevinSmith Thanagarian snare beast]]. So grab your pills and try to follow us as we explain his complicated history.
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And there you have it (for now). A backstory so convoluted it took a full [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS3E2ShadowOfTheHawk two]] [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS3E11AncientHistory episodes]] of ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnimited'' to even scratch the surface.

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And there you have it (for now). A backstory so convoluted it took a full [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS3E2ShadowOfTheHawk two]] [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS3E11AncientHistory episodes]] of ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnimited'' ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' to even scratch the surface.surface. Well... So long as you don't count [[FunWithAnagrams Hro Talak]].
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The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name. Not helping matters is how Catar-Ol of Krypton was alive during Krypton's destruction, however the timing of it (Superman must be a baby during it due to his origin, and Carter was alive before Clark's birth and never died) means that he ''co-existed'' with Carter Hall! This was made worse when Shayera Thal returned as well, meaning she ''also'' co-exists with Kendra, and would go on to hang out with Carter Hall ''a lot'', and the two act romantic without ever once acknowledging that Kendra is still alive and around.

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The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name. Not helping matters is how Catar-Ol of Krypton was alive during Krypton's destruction, however the timing of it (Superman must be a baby during it due to his origin, and Carter was alive before Clark's birth and never died) means that he ''co-existed'' with Carter Hall! This was made worse when Shayera Thal returned as well, meaning she ''also'' co-exists with Kendra, and would go on to hang out with Carter Hall ''a lot'', and the two act romantic without ever once acknowledging that Kendra is still alive and around.around.

And there you have it (for now). A backstory so convoluted it took a full [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS3E2ShadowOfTheHawk two]] [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS3E11AncientHistory episodes]] of ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnimited'' to even scratch the surface.
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Most DC characters were reimagined during the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]], but with new powers, origins, suits and names, and often with a more SF and less fantasy-genre concept. Now Hawkman and Hawkgirl were Katar and Shayera Hol, alien cops from the planet Thanagar who came to Earth in pursuit of a criminal named Byth Rok. They had wings made of Nth metal. The police gave them secret identities as Carter and Shiera Hall. No problems so far: the new Hawkman makes perfect sense, and the old one could be simply considered EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. The Pandora's box was opened by Flash, in the "Flash of Two Worlds" story. It established that all the old DC characters were still alive on Earth-Two, an AlternateUniverse, including Hawkman. Which meant that there were two completely different and unrelated Hawkmen and Hawkgirls running around (along with two different Flashes, Green Lanterns, etc.; but let's just stick to Hawkman). However, as the characters lived on separate Earths it was still pretty easy to distinguish them from each other and keep track of their origins.

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Most DC characters were reimagined during the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]], but with new powers, origins, suits and names, and often with a more SF science-fiction and less fantasy-genre concept. Now Hawkman and Hawkgirl were Katar and Shayera Hol, alien cops from the planet Thanagar who came to Earth in pursuit of a criminal named Byth Rok. They had wings made of Nth metal. The police gave them secret identities as Carter and Shiera Hall. No problems so far: the new Hawkman makes perfect sense, and the old one could be simply considered EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. The Pandora's box was opened by Flash, in the "Flash of Two Worlds" story. It established that all the old DC characters were still alive on Earth-Two, an AlternateUniverse, including Hawkman. Which meant that there were two completely different and unrelated Hawkmen and Hawkgirls running around (along with two different Flashes, Green Lanterns, etc.; but let's just stick to Hawkman). However, as the characters lived on separate Earths it was still pretty easy to distinguish them from each other and keep track of their origins.
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The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name. Not helping matters is how Catar-Ol of Krypton was alive during Krypton's destruction, however the timing of it (Superman must be a baby during it due to his origin, and Carter was alive before Clark's birth and never died) means that he ''co-existed'' with Carter Hall!

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The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name. Not helping matters is how Catar-Ol of Krypton was alive during Krypton's destruction, however the timing of it (Superman must be a baby during it due to his origin, and Carter was alive before Clark's birth and never died) means that he ''co-existed'' with Carter Hall!Hall! This was made worse when Shayera Thal returned as well, meaning she ''also'' co-exists with Kendra, and would go on to hang out with Carter Hall ''a lot'', and the two act romantic without ever once acknowledging that Kendra is still alive and around.
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Hawkman was first created by Gardner Fox during the [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age]]. He was Carter Hall, an archaeologist, who found an ancient dagger. He discovered that he was the reincarnation of the ancient Egyptian prince Khufu. He created his suit with the Nth metal, and fought alongside the reincarnation of Khufu's wife Chay-Ara. The character notably became one of the most prominent founding members of the ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica. His series was eventually cancelled, along with all of DC's comics of the time (except for Franchise/{{Superman}}, Franchise/{{Batman}} and Franchise/WonderWoman).

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Hawkman was first created by Gardner Fox during the [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age]]. He was Carter Hall, an archaeologist, who found an ancient dagger. He discovered that he was the reincarnation of the ancient Egyptian prince Khufu. He created his suit with the Nth metal, and fought alongside the reincarnation of Khufu's wife Chay-Ara. The character notably became one of the most prominent founding members of the ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica. His series was eventually cancelled, along with all of DC's superhero comics of the time (except for Franchise/{{Superman}}, Franchise/{{Batman}} and Franchise/WonderWoman).
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ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} is the poster boy of the ContinuitySnarl trope for a reason. Mostly this is because his Golden Age and Silver Age pre-Crisis versions were particularly different in concept, to a degree approaching InNameOnly, but post-Crisis writers have kept trying to somehow merge the two. So grab your pills and try to follow us as we explain his complicated history.

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->''"Thanagar's champion, ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} can talk to birds. He also can't talk to birds. Sometimes, he can't even speak normally at all! Even if he could talk normally, or to birds, there are no birds on Thanagar, because it does not exist. Hawkman was sent here to study Earthly police methods, because Thanagar's own methods suck! That's OK though, because Thanagar still does not exist! Yet it is populated by peaceful barbarians! Who are stupid, and also warlike!"''
-->-- '''[[http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/19/ Kirk Kimball]]''', [[http://www.dialbforblog.com/ Dial B for Blog]]

ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} is the poster boy of the ContinuitySnarl trope for a reason. Mostly this is because his Golden Age and Silver Age pre-Crisis versions were particularly different in concept, to a degree approaching InNameOnly, but post-Crisis writers have kept trying to somehow merge the two. So grab your pills and try to follow us as we explain his complicated history.
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The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name. Not helping matters is how Catar-Ol of Krypton was alive during Krypton's destruction, however the timing of it means that he ''co-existed'' with Carter Hall!

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The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name. Not helping matters is how Catar-Ol of Krypton was alive during Krypton's destruction, however the timing of it (Superman must be a baby during it due to his origin, and Carter was alive before Clark's birth and never died) means that he ''co-existed'' with Carter Hall!
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Then Creator/RobLiefeld retconned Carter's origin story in a #0 issue, revealing that "Carter Hall" was ''actually'' Katar Hol from Thanagar and had amnesia; Carter Hall was just a cover identity he adopted when he landed on Earth, despite the fact that "Carter" was shown to have knowledge of Earth's history while actually being a renowned archaeologist -- supposedly because Katar was misidentified as Carter, however, KAtar had himself demonstrated historical knowledge! Things happened, Shayera was introduced and killed, Katar joined two different Justice Leagues, and then finally died in the ''Death of Hawkman'' miniseries... his last words being "see you in the next life", possibly implying that the reincarnation thing ''was'' still canon?!

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Then Creator/RobLiefeld retconned Carter's origin story in a #0 issue, revealing that "Carter Hall" was ''actually'' Katar Hol from Thanagar and had amnesia; Carter Hall was just a cover identity he adopted when he landed on Earth, despite the fact that "Carter" was shown to have knowledge of Earth's history while actually being a renowned archaeologist -- supposedly because Katar was misidentified as Carter, however, KAtar Katar had himself demonstrated historical knowledge! Things happened, Shayera was introduced and killed, Katar joined two different Justice Leagues, and then finally died in the ''Death of Hawkman'' miniseries... his last words being "see you in the next life", possibly implying that the reincarnation thing ''was'' still canon?!
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Trying to fix ''that'' mess, it was established that the Hawkman that joined the JLI was actually the spy Fel Andar from Thanagar -- the son of an old spy who once came to Earth -- who took the false identity of Carter Hall Jr., the son of the reincarnating Hawkman who was currently in Limbo. Even worse, he brainwashed his girlfriend Sharon Parker to make her believe that she was Shayera, Hawkgirl, and killed her when she learned the truth. And to add to this mess, Hector Hall, the ''actual'' son of Carter Hall, was still alive post-Crisis. Around this time, Carter Hall and the rest of the Justice Society were brought back from Limbo as well.

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Trying to fix ''that'' mess, it was established that the Hawkman that joined the JLI was actually the spy Fel Andar from Thanagar -- the son an alternate version of an old spy who once came to Earth whom had briefly appeared pre-Crisis, there named "Fell Andar" with two Ls -- who took the false identity of Carter Hall Jr., the son of the reincarnating Hawkman who was currently in Limbo. Even worse, he brainwashed his girlfriend Sharon Parker to make her believe that she was Shayera, Hawkgirl, and killed her when she learned the truth. And to add to this mess, Hector Hall, the ''actual'' son of Carter Hall, was still alive post-Crisis. Around this time, Carter Hall and the rest of the Justice Society were brought back from Limbo as well.
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The 1994 miniseries ''ComicBook/ZeroHour'' made an effort to tidy everything up and simplify the status quo. It was revealed that Katar's father had landed on Earth at some point and ''met'' Carter Hall, and based Thanagar's wings on Carter's and named his son (Katar) after Carter; it was also revealed that Katar was half-human. All the disparate Hawkmen and Hawkwomen were fused into a single being, a "Hawkgod". The end result was that Carter, Katar and Shiera did not exist anymore, Fel Andar became a character of his own and Shayera went back to Thanagar.

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The 1994 miniseries ''ComicBook/ZeroHour'' made an effort to tidy everything up and simplify the status quo. It was revealed that Katar's father had landed on Earth at some point and ''met'' Carter Hall, and based Thanagar's wings on Carter's and named his son (Katar) after Carter; it was also revealed that Katar was half-human. All the disparate Hawkmen and Hawkwomen were fused into a single being, a "Hawkgod". The end result was that Carter, Katar and Shiera did not exist anymore, Fel Andar became a character of his own and Shayera went back to Thanagar.
Thanagar. Unfortunately, this didn't end up settling everything as hoped. Although there was just one Hawkman now – the Hawkgod version – and the ongoing "Hawkman" comic kept going for another year and a half after "Zero Hour", the sheer weight of the character's convoluted backstory led DC editorial to decide that he was just too much of a mess by now to be usable and to declare the character entirely off-limits. For example, Creator/GrantMorrison was prohibited from including Hawkman in the early issues of his series "JLA", leading him to create the new winged character Zauriel as a substitute.
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Then Creator/RobLiefeld retconned Carter's origin story in a #0 issue, revealing that "Carter Hall" was ''actually'' Katar Hol from Thanagar and had amnesia; Carter Hall was just a cover identity he adopted when he landed on Earth, despite the fact that "Carter" was shown to have knowledge of Earth's history while actually being a renowned archaeologist. Things happened, Shayera was introduced and killed, Katar joined two different Justice Leagues, and then finally died in the ''Death of Hawkman'' miniseries... his last words being "see you in the next life", possibly implying that the reincarnation thing ''was'' still canon?!

And then the ''real'' Carter Hall Hawkman, Khufu memories and all, was revealed to have existed in ''ComicBook/DarkNightsMetal'', alongside a Shiera Hawkgirl. Once again, Prince Khufu and Princess Chay-Ara found a crashed spaceship made of Nth Metal and operated as Hawkman and Hawkgirl throughout their numerous lives. One of those lives happened to reincarnate Khufu as Carter and Chay-Ara as Shiera. Both operated as Hawkman and Hawkgirl as usual and died at some point in the past. Both were reincarnated ''again'', this time Shiera coming back as Kendra Saunders -- this time recalling her previous lives -- both once again operating as Hawkman and Hawkgirl. Carter later disappeared into the Dark Multiverse while Kendra took up the identity of Lady Blackhawk. This ''could'' explain how Katar was able to pass himself off as Carter -- he just happened to use a name that actually ''had'' all the credentials of an archaeologist -- but why Kendra would allow this and not get involved remains to be seen. Oy... (The New52 origin HAD implied that Katar had just taken over the life of the real Carter Hall when he was misidentified after his landing in the middle of a natural disaster, but none of that explains why Kendra wouldn't be curious.)

The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name. (The implication that his reincarnations hop along the timestream as well as space has not been confirmed, although Carter really should have been alive and active on Earth when Catar-Ol was alive on Krypton as well.)

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Then Creator/RobLiefeld retconned Carter's origin story in a #0 issue, revealing that "Carter Hall" was ''actually'' Katar Hol from Thanagar and had amnesia; Carter Hall was just a cover identity he adopted when he landed on Earth, despite the fact that "Carter" was shown to have knowledge of Earth's history while actually being a renowned archaeologist. archaeologist -- supposedly because Katar was misidentified as Carter, however, KAtar had himself demonstrated historical knowledge! Things happened, Shayera was introduced and killed, Katar joined two different Justice Leagues, and then finally died in the ''Death of Hawkman'' miniseries... his last words being "see you in the next life", possibly implying that the reincarnation thing ''was'' still canon?!

And then the ''real'' Carter Hall Hawkman, Khufu memories and all, was revealed to have existed in ''ComicBook/DarkNightsMetal'', alongside a Shiera Hawkgirl. Once again, Prince Khufu and Princess Chay-Ara found a crashed spaceship made of Nth Metal and operated as Hawkman and Hawkgirl throughout their numerous lives. One of those lives happened to reincarnate Khufu as Carter and Chay-Ara as Shiera. Both operated as Hawkman and Hawkgirl as usual and died at some point in the past. Both were reincarnated ''again'', this time Shiera coming back as Kendra Saunders -- this time recalling her previous lives -- both once again operating as Hawkman and Hawkgirl. Carter later disappeared into the Dark Multiverse while Kendra took up the identity of Lady Blackhawk. This ''could'' explain how Katar was able to pass himself off as Carter -- he just happened to use a name that actually ''had'' all the credentials of an archaeologist -- but why Kendra would allow this and not get involved remains to be seen. Oy... (The New52 origin HAD implied that Katar had just taken over the life of the real Carter Hall when he was misidentified after his landing in the middle of a natural disaster, but none of that explains why Kendra wouldn't be curious.)

Oy...

The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name. (The implication that his reincarnations hop along the timestream as well as space has not been confirmed, although Carter really should have been alive and active on Earth when Not helping matters is how Catar-Ol of Krypton was alive on Krypton as well.)during Krypton's destruction, however the timing of it means that he ''co-existed'' with Carter Hall!
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Then, all of the DC universe was rebooted with the ''Comicbook/New52'' and the snarl began anew. In this continuity, Hawkman is Carter Hall again, an archaeologist. He tried to retire for some vague reason (that was never revealed) at the start of his series, but when he tried to destroy his armor, the shards of Nth metal fused into his body and gave him permanent powers. Meanwhile, Kendra was rebooted onto the new alternate universe [[ComicBook/Earth2 Earth-2]] as a completely unrelated character who went by Hawkgirl but was otherwise unrelated to the main universe's ''Hawkman'' mythos.

Then Creator/RobLiefeld retconned Carter's origin story in a #0 issue, revealing that "Carter Hall" was ''actually'' Katar Hol from Thanagar and had amnesia; Carter Hall was just a cover identity he somehow whipped up, despite the fact that "Carter" was shown to have knowledge of Earth's history while actually being a renowned archaeologist. Things happened, Shayera was introduced and killed, Katar joined two different Justice Leagues, and then finally died in the ''Death of Hawkman'' miniseries... his last words being "see you in the next life", possibly implying that the reincarnation thing ''was'' still canon?!

And then the ''real'' Carter Hall Hawkman, Khufu memories and all, was revealed to have existed in ''ComicBook/DarkNightsMetal'', alongside a Shiera Hawkgirl. Once again, Prince Khufu and Princess Chay-Ara found a crashed spaceship made of Nth Metal and operated as Hawkman and Hawkgirl throughout their numerous lives. One of those lives happened to reincarnate Khufu as Carter and Chay-Ara as Shiera. Both operated as Hawkman and Hawkgirl as usual and died at some point in the past. Both were reincarnated ''again'', this time Shiera coming back as Kendra Saunders -- this time recalling her previous lives -- both once again operating as Hawkman and Hawkgirl. Carter later disappeared into the Dark Multiverse while Kendra took up the identity of Lady Blackhawk. This ''could'' explain how Katar was able to pass himself off as Carter -- he just happened to use a name that actually ''had'' all the credentials of an archaeologist -- but why Kendra would allow this and not get involved remains to be seen. Oy...

The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name.

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Then, all of the DC universe was rebooted with the ''Comicbook/New52'' and the snarl began anew. In this continuity, Hawkman is Carter Hall again, an archaeologist.archaeologist/linguist. He tried to retire for some vague reason (that was never revealed) at the start of his series, but when he tried to destroy his armor, the shards of Nth metal fused into his body and gave him permanent powers. Meanwhile, Kendra was rebooted onto the new alternate universe [[ComicBook/Earth2 Earth-2]] as a completely unrelated character who went by Hawkgirl but was otherwise unrelated to the main universe's ''Hawkman'' mythos.

Then Creator/RobLiefeld retconned Carter's origin story in a #0 issue, revealing that "Carter Hall" was ''actually'' Katar Hol from Thanagar and had amnesia; Carter Hall was just a cover identity he somehow whipped up, adopted when he landed on Earth, despite the fact that "Carter" was shown to have knowledge of Earth's history while actually being a renowned archaeologist. Things happened, Shayera was introduced and killed, Katar joined two different Justice Leagues, and then finally died in the ''Death of Hawkman'' miniseries... his last words being "see you in the next life", possibly implying that the reincarnation thing ''was'' still canon?!

And then the ''real'' Carter Hall Hawkman, Khufu memories and all, was revealed to have existed in ''ComicBook/DarkNightsMetal'', alongside a Shiera Hawkgirl. Once again, Prince Khufu and Princess Chay-Ara found a crashed spaceship made of Nth Metal and operated as Hawkman and Hawkgirl throughout their numerous lives. One of those lives happened to reincarnate Khufu as Carter and Chay-Ara as Shiera. Both operated as Hawkman and Hawkgirl as usual and died at some point in the past. Both were reincarnated ''again'', this time Shiera coming back as Kendra Saunders -- this time recalling her previous lives -- both once again operating as Hawkman and Hawkgirl. Carter later disappeared into the Dark Multiverse while Kendra took up the identity of Lady Blackhawk. This ''could'' explain how Katar was able to pass himself off as Carter -- he just happened to use a name that actually ''had'' all the credentials of an archaeologist -- but why Kendra would allow this and not get involved remains to be seen. Oy...

Oy... (The New52 origin HAD implied that Katar had just taken over the life of the real Carter Hall when he was misidentified after his landing in the middle of a natural disaster, but none of that explains why Kendra wouldn't be curious.)

The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name. (The implication that his reincarnations hop along the timestream as well as space has not been confirmed, although Carter really should have been alive and active on Earth when Catar-Ol was alive on Krypton as well.)

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Most DC characters were reimagined during the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]], but with new powers, origins, suits and names, and often with a more SF and less fantasy-genre concept. Now Hawkman and Hawkgirl were Katar and Shayera Hol, alien cops from the planet Thanagar who came to Earth in pursuit of a criminal named Byth Rok. They had wings made of Nth metal. The police gave them secret identities as Carter and Shiera Hall. No problems so far: the new Hawkman makes perfect sense, and the old one could be simply considered EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. The Pandora's box was opened by Flash, in the "Flash of Two Worlds" story. It established that all the old DC characters were still alive on Earth-Two, an AlternateUniverse, including Hawkman. Which meant that there were two completely different and unrelated Hawkmen and Hawkgirls running around (along with two different Flashes, Green Lanterns, etc.; but let's just stick to Hawkman). However, as the characters lived on seperate Earths it was still pretty easy to distinguish them from each other and keep track of their origins.

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Most DC characters were reimagined during the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]], but with new powers, origins, suits and names, and often with a more SF and less fantasy-genre concept. Now Hawkman and Hawkgirl were Katar and Shayera Hol, alien cops from the planet Thanagar who came to Earth in pursuit of a criminal named Byth Rok. They had wings made of Nth metal. The police gave them secret identities as Carter and Shiera Hall. No problems so far: the new Hawkman makes perfect sense, and the old one could be simply considered EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. The Pandora's box was opened by Flash, in the "Flash of Two Worlds" story. It established that all the old DC characters were still alive on Earth-Two, an AlternateUniverse, including Hawkman. Which meant that there were two completely different and unrelated Hawkmen and Hawkgirls running around (along with two different Flashes, Green Lanterns, etc.; but let's just stick to Hawkman). However, as the characters lived on seperate separate Earths it was still pretty easy to distinguish them from each other and keep track of their origins.



Trying to fix ''that'' mess, it was established that the Hawkman that joined the JLI was actually the spy Fel Andar from Thanagar -- the son of an old spy who once came to Earth -- who took the false identity of Carter Hall Jr., the son of the reincarnating Hawkman who was currently in Limbo. Even worse, he brainwashed his girlfriend Sharon Parker to make her believe that she was Shayera, Hawkgirl, and killed her when she learned the truth. And to add to this mess, Hector Hall, the ''actual'' son of Carter Hall, was still alive post-Crisis. What can we do to fix this? Answer: a new crisis crossover!

Let's recount what we have so far: Carter Hall, the reincarnating Hawkman from the Golden Age; Shiera Hall, the reincarnating Hawkgirl from the Golden Age; Fel Andar, the spy Hawkman that joined the JLI and pretended to be Katar Hol; Sharon Parker, the Hawkwoman that joined the JLI who'd been brainwashed into believing that she was Shayera Hol; the real Katar Hol, the Hawkman from ''Hawkworld''; and Shayera Thal, the Hawkwoman from ''Hawkworld''. If you are already having a headache, we can't blame you.

All this was dealt with in the 1994 miniseries ''ComicBook/ZeroHour''. It was revealed that Katar's father had landed on Earth at some point and ''met'' Carter Hall, and based Thanagar's wings on Carter's and named his son (Katar) after Carter. It was also revealed that Katar was also half-human. All the disparate Hawkmen and Hawkwomen were fused into a single being, a "Hawkgod". Carter, Katar and Shiera did not exist anymore, Fel Andar became a character of his own and Shayera went back to Thanagar.

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Trying to fix ''that'' mess, it was established that the Hawkman that joined the JLI was actually the spy Fel Andar from Thanagar -- the son of an old spy who once came to Earth -- who took the false identity of Carter Hall Jr., the son of the reincarnating Hawkman who was currently in Limbo. Even worse, he brainwashed his girlfriend Sharon Parker to make her believe that she was Shayera, Hawkgirl, and killed her when she learned the truth. And to add to this mess, Hector Hall, the ''actual'' son of Carter Hall, was still alive post-Crisis. What can we do to fix this? Answer: a new crisis crossover!

Around this time, Carter Hall and the rest of the Justice Society were brought back from Limbo as well.

Let's recount what we have so far: Carter Hall, the reincarnating Hawkman from the Golden Age; Shiera Hall, the reincarnating Hawkgirl from the Golden Age; Fel Andar, the spy Hawkman that joined the JLI and pretended to be Katar Hol; Sharon Parker, the Hawkwoman that joined the JLI who'd been brainwashed into believing that she was Shayera Hol; the real Katar Hol, the Hawkman from ''Hawkworld''; and Shayera Thal, the Hawkwoman from ''Hawkworld''. If you are already having a headache, we can't blame you. \n\nAll this was dealt with in the What can we do to fix this? Answer: a new crisis crossover!

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1994 miniseries ''ComicBook/ZeroHour''. ''ComicBook/ZeroHour'' made an effort to tidy everything up and simplify the status quo. It was revealed that Katar's father had landed on Earth at some point and ''met'' Carter Hall, and based Thanagar's wings on Carter's and named his son (Katar) after Carter. It Carter; it was also revealed that Katar was also half-human. All the disparate Hawkmen and Hawkwomen were fused into a single being, a "Hawkgod". The end result was that Carter, Katar and Shiera did not exist anymore, Fel Andar became a character of his own and Shayera went back to Thanagar.



There was a relatively minor example not related to the wider Hawksnarl: Carter and Kendra died in an explosion in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis''. But Johns wanted to use them for ''ComicBook/BlackestNight'', so they were brought back to life again; and even the arts and plot for Kendra's funeral had to be altered in ''Justice League of America'' at the last moment to fit this. They were killed by the Black Lanterns and became zombies. They were revived again, and Kendra turned completely into Shiera. They were turned into wind creatures in the climax of ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'', and Shiera disappeared after that.

Then, all of the DC universe was rebooted with the ''Comicbook/New52'' and the snarl began anew. In this continuity, Hawkman is Carter Hall again, an archaeologist. He tried to retire for some vague reason (that was never revealed) at the start of his series, but when he tried to destroy his armor, the shards of Nth metal fused into his body and gave him permanent powers. Meanwhile, Kendra was rebooted onto Earth-2 as a completely unrelated character who went by Hawkgirl, and seemed to have some ties to the man who would become the new Dr. Fate but was otherwise unrelated to the ''Hawkman'' mythos. And then Creator/RobLiefeld retconned Carter's origin story in a #0 and revealed that "Carter Hall" was ''actually'' Katar Hol from Thanagar and had amnesia, and Carter Hall was just a cover identity he somehow whipped up, despite the fact that "Carter" was shown to have knowledge of Earth's history while actually being a renowned archaeologist. Things happened, Shayera was introduced and killed, Katar joined two different Justice Leagues, and then finally died in the ''Death of Hawkman'' miniseries... his last words being "see you in the next life", possibly implying that the reincarnation thing ''was'' still canon?!

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There Afterwards, there was a relatively minor example not related to the wider Hawksnarl: Carter and Kendra died in an explosion in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis''. But Johns wanted to use them for ''ComicBook/BlackestNight'', so they were brought back to life again; and even the arts and plot for Kendra's funeral had to be altered in ''Justice League of America'' at the last moment to fit this. They were killed by the Black Lanterns and became zombies. They were revived again, and Kendra turned completely into Shiera. They were turned into wind creatures in the climax of ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'', and Shiera disappeared after that.

Then, all of the DC universe was rebooted with the ''Comicbook/New52'' and the snarl began anew. In this continuity, Hawkman is Carter Hall again, an archaeologist. He tried to retire for some vague reason (that was never revealed) at the start of his series, but when he tried to destroy his armor, the shards of Nth metal fused into his body and gave him permanent powers. Meanwhile, Kendra was rebooted onto Earth-2 the new alternate universe [[ComicBook/Earth2 Earth-2]] as a completely unrelated character who went by Hawkgirl, and seemed to have some ties to the man who would become the new Dr. Fate Hawkgirl but was otherwise unrelated to the main universe's ''Hawkman'' mythos. And then mythos.

Then
Creator/RobLiefeld retconned Carter's origin story in a #0 and revealed issue, revealing that "Carter Hall" was ''actually'' Katar Hol from Thanagar and had amnesia, and amnesia; Carter Hall was just a cover identity he somehow whipped up, despite the fact that "Carter" was shown to have knowledge of Earth's history while actually being a renowned archaeologist. Things happened, Shayera was introduced and killed, Katar joined two different Justice Leagues, and then finally died in the ''Death of Hawkman'' miniseries... his last words being "see you in the next life", possibly implying that the reincarnation thing ''was'' still canon?!

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* Hawkman was first created by Gardner Fox during the [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age]]. He was Carter Hall, an archaeologist, who found an ancient dagger. He discovered that he was the reincarnation of the ancient Egyptian prince Khufu. He created his suit with the Nth metal, and fought alongside the reincarnation of Khufu's wife Chay-Ara. The comic book was eventually cancelled, alongside all of DC's comics of the time (except for Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman).
* Most DC characters were reimagined during the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]], but with new powers, origins, suits and names, and often with a more SF and less fantasy-genre concept. Now Hawkman and Hawkgirl were Katar and Shayera Hol, alien cops from the planet Thanagar who came to Earth in pursuit of a criminal named Byth Rok. They had wings made of Nth metal. The police gave them secret identities as Carter and Shiera Hall. No problems so far: the new Hawkman makes perfect sense, and the old one could be simply considered EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. The Pandora's box was opened by Flash, in the "Flash of Two Worlds" story. It established that all the old DC characters were still alive on Earth 2, an AlternateUniverse, including Hawkman. Which means, that there are two completely different and unrelated Hawkman and Hawkgirls running around (along with a Flash and Green Lantern, etc; but let's just stick to Hawkman). However, due to the characters living on seperate Earths, it was still pretty easy to distinguish them from each other and keep track of their origins.
* DC attempted to clean up its convoluted continuity with ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', but in the case of Hawkman, it just made things worse. Now we had the two Hawkmen, the alien cop and the archaeologist, on the same Earth. The aliens were briefly members of the ComicBook/JusticeLeagueInternational, and the others were sent to limbo alongside the whole JSA, attempting to subject them to ChuckCunninghamSyndrome. But then things got screwed, with the miniseries ''Hawkworld''. In it, Katar Hol is an alien on Thanagar and ends up partnered with Shayera Thal II. Okay, fine, it could just be a more detailed version of the JLI Katar's origin... then the popularity of the miniseries led to a ''Hawkworld'' ''ongoing'', which took place in the modern day, and had Katar and Shayera come to Earth in pursuit of the criminal Byth. This is what started it all. It meant that the original ''Hawkworld'' was ''not'' a retelling of the origin, but a completely new one: now we had '''two''' Katar Hol Hawkmen around.
* Trying to fix ''that'' mess, it was established that the Hawkman that joined the JLI was actually the spy Fel Andar from Thanagar, the son of an old spy that once came to Earth, and who took the identity of Carter Hall, Jr. (the son of the reincarnating Hawkman in limbo). Even worse, he brainwashed the mind of his girlfriend Sharon Parker to make her believe that she was Shayera, Hawkgirl, and killed her when she learned of this. And to add to this mess, Hector Hall, the ''actual'' son of Carter Hall, was still alive post-Crisis. What can we do to fix this? Answer: a new crisis crossover!
* Let's recount what we have so far: Carter Hall, the reincarnating Hawkman trapped in limbo; Shiera Hall, the reincarnating Hawk''girl'' trapped in limbo; Fel Andar, the spy Hawkman that joined the JLI and pretended to be Katar Hol; Sharon Parker, the Hawkwoman brainwashed into believing that she was Shayera Hall that joined the JLI; Katar Hol, the Hawkman from ''Hawkworld''; and Shayera Thal, the Hawk''woman'' from ''Hawkworld''. If you are already having a headache, we can't blame you. This was dealt with in ''ComicBook/ZeroHour''. It was revealed that Katar's father had landed on Earth at some point and ''met'' Carter Hall, and based Thanagar's wings on Carter's and named his son (Katar) after Carter. It was revealed that Katar was also half-human, and all the disparate Hawkmen and Hawkwomen were fused into a single being, a "Hawkgod". Carter, Katar and Shiera do not exist anymore, Fel Andar is a character of his own and Shayera went back to Thanagar.
* Some years later, James Robinson, Creator/GeoffJohns and David Goyer brought back the JSA, but how can we have that team without the Hawks? So they established that Shiera's soul escaped from the Hawkgod and reincarnated in Kendra Saunders, the new Hawkgirl, who had no memory of her previous lives, which also allowed them to ignore the snarl. Geoff Johns continued from there, and brought Hawkman (Carter Hall) back. He merged both origin stories: a ship from Thanagar crashed in ancient Egypt, and Prince Khufu and his wife Chay-Ara got access to their tech and the Nth metal. They were killed by the priest Hath-Set and reincarnated several times. Also, since Carter Hall absorbed Katar Hol's memories while they were the Hawkgod, you can just consider Katar an unofficial reincarnation. If we skip the disaster between ''Crisis'' and ''Zero Hour'', things mostly make sense.
* Relatively minor example not related to the wider Hawksnarl: Carter and Kendra died in an explosion in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis''. But Johns wanted to use them for ''ComicBook/BlackestNight'', so they were brought back to life again; and even the arts and plot for Kendra's funeral had to be altered in ''Justice League of America'' at the last moment to fit this. They were killed by the Black Lanterns and became zombies. They were revived again, and Kendra turned completely into Shiera. They were turned into wind creatures in the climax of ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'', and Shiera disappeared after that.
* Then, all of the DC universe was rebooted with the ''Comicbook/New52'' and the snarl began anew. In this continuity, Hawkman is Carter Hall again, an archaeologist. He tried to retire for some vague reason (that was never revealed) at the start of his series, but when he tried to destroy his armor, the shards of Nth metal fused into his body and gave him permanent powers. Meanwhile, Kendra was rebooted onto Earth-2 as a completely unrelated character who went by Hawkgirl, and seemed to have some ties to the man who would become the new Dr. Fate but was otherwise unrelated to the ''Hawkman'' mythos. And then Creator/RobLiefeld retconned Carter's origin story in a #0 and revealed that "Carter Hall" was ''actually'' Katar Hol from Thanagar and had amnesia, and Carter Hall was just a cover identity he somehow whipped up, despite the fact that "Carter" was shown to have knowledge of Earth's history while actually being a renowned archaeologist. Things happened, Shayera was introduced and killed, Katar joined two different Justice Leagues, and then finally died in the ''Death of Hawkman'' miniseries... his last words being "see you in the next life", possibly implying that the reincarnation thing ''was'' still canon?!
* And then the ''real'' Carter Hall Hawkman, Khufu memories and all, was revealed to have existed in ''ComicBook/DarkNightsMetal'', alongside a Shiera Hawkgirl. Once again, Prince Khufu and Princess Chay-Ara found a crashed spaceship made of Nth Metal and operated as Hawkman and Hawkgirl throughout their numerous lives. One of those lives happened to reincarnate Khufu as Carter and Chay-Ara as Shiera. Both operated as Hawkman and Hawkgirl as usual and died at some point in the past. Both were reincarnated ''again'', this time Shiera coming back as Kendra Saunders -- this time recalling her previous lives -- both once again operating as Hawkman and Hawkgirl. Carter later disappeared into the Dark Multiverse while Kendra took up the identity of Lady Blackhawk. This ''could'' explain how Katar was able to pass himself off as Carter -- he just happened to use a name that actually ''had'' all the credentials of an archaeologist -- but why Kendra would allow this and not get involved remains to be seen. Oy...
* The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name.

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* Hawkman was first created by Gardner Fox during the [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age]]. He was Carter Hall, an archaeologist, who found an ancient dagger. He discovered that he was the reincarnation of the ancient Egyptian prince Khufu. He created his suit with the Nth metal, and fought alongside the reincarnation of Khufu's wife Chay-Ara. The comic book character notably became one of the most prominent founding members of the ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica. His series was eventually cancelled, alongside along with all of DC's comics of the time (except for Superman, Batman Franchise/{{Superman}}, Franchise/{{Batman}} and Wonder Woman).
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Franchise/WonderWoman).

Most DC characters were reimagined during the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]], but with new powers, origins, suits and names, and often with a more SF and less fantasy-genre concept. Now Hawkman and Hawkgirl were Katar and Shayera Hol, alien cops from the planet Thanagar who came to Earth in pursuit of a criminal named Byth Rok. They had wings made of Nth metal. The police gave them secret identities as Carter and Shiera Hall. No problems so far: the new Hawkman makes perfect sense, and the old one could be simply considered EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. The Pandora's box was opened by Flash, in the "Flash of Two Worlds" story. It established that all the old DC characters were still alive on Earth 2, Earth-Two, an AlternateUniverse, including Hawkman. Which means, meant that there are were two completely different and unrelated Hawkman Hawkmen and Hawkgirls running around (along with a Flash and two different Flashes, Green Lantern, etc; Lanterns, etc.; but let's just stick to Hawkman). However, due to as the characters living lived on seperate Earths, Earths it was still pretty easy to distinguish them from each other and keep track of their origins.
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DC attempted merged all their various alternate universes into a single universe with the miniseries ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''. This was an attempt to clean up its their convoluted continuity with ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', continuity, but in the case of Hawkman, Hawkman it just made things worse. Now worse: now we had the two Hawkmen, the alien cop and the archaeologist, both existing on the same Earth. The aliens were briefly members of the ComicBook/JusticeLeagueInternational, and while the others Golden Age versions were sent to limbo alongside temporarily trapped in Limbo along with the whole JSA, attempting rest of the JSA in an attempt to subject them to ChuckCunninghamSyndrome. ChuckCunninghamSyndrome.

But then things got screwed, with the 1989 miniseries ''Hawkworld''. In it, Katar Hol is an alien on Thanagar and ends up partnered with Shayera Thal II. Okay, fine, it could just be a more detailed version of the JLI Katar's origin... but then the popularity of the miniseries led to a ''Hawkworld'' ''ongoing'', '''ongoing series''', which took place in the modern present day, and had Katar and Shayera come to Earth in pursuit of the criminal Byth. This is what started it all. It meant that the original ''Hawkworld'' was ''not'' a retelling of the origin, but a completely new one: now we had '''two''' Katar Hol Hawkmen around. \n*

Trying to fix ''that'' mess, it was established that the Hawkman that joined the JLI was actually the spy Fel Andar from Thanagar, Thanagar -- the son of an old spy that who once came to Earth, and Earth -- who took the false identity of Carter Hall, Jr. (the Hall Jr., the son of the reincarnating Hawkman who was currently in limbo). Limbo. Even worse, he brainwashed the mind of his girlfriend Sharon Parker to make her believe that she was Shayera, Hawkgirl, and killed her when she learned of this.the truth. And to add to this mess, Hector Hall, the ''actual'' son of Carter Hall, was still alive post-Crisis. What can we do to fix this? Answer: a new crisis crossover!
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crossover!

Let's recount what we have so far: Carter Hall, the reincarnating Hawkman trapped in limbo; from the Golden Age; Shiera Hall, the reincarnating Hawk''girl'' trapped in limbo; Hawkgirl from the Golden Age; Fel Andar, the spy Hawkman that joined the JLI and pretended to be Katar Hol; Sharon Parker, the Hawkwoman that joined the JLI who'd been brainwashed into believing that she was Shayera Hall that joined Hol; the JLI; real Katar Hol, the Hawkman from ''Hawkworld''; and Shayera Thal, the Hawk''woman'' Hawkwoman from ''Hawkworld''. If you are already having a headache, we can't blame you. This

All this
was dealt with in the 1994 miniseries ''ComicBook/ZeroHour''. It was revealed that Katar's father had landed on Earth at some point and ''met'' Carter Hall, and based Thanagar's wings on Carter's and named his son (Katar) after Carter. It was also revealed that Katar was also half-human, and all half-human. All the disparate Hawkmen and Hawkwomen were fused into a single being, a "Hawkgod". Carter, Katar and Shiera do did not exist anymore, Fel Andar is became a character of his own and Shayera went back to Thanagar.
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Thanagar.

Some years later, James Robinson, Creator/GeoffJohns and David Goyer brought back revived the JSA, Justice Society in the series ''JSA'', but how can we have that team without the Hawks? So they established that Shiera's soul escaped from the Hawkgod and reincarnated in Kendra Saunders, the new Hawkgirl, who had no memory of her previous lives, which also allowed them to ignore the snarl. Geoff Johns continued from there, and brought Hawkman (Carter Hall) back. He merged both origin stories: a ship from Thanagar crashed in ancient Egypt, and Prince Khufu and his wife Chay-Ara got access to their tech and the Nth metal. They were killed by the priest Hath-Set and reincarnated several times. Also, since Carter Hall absorbed Katar Hol's memories while they were the Hawkgod, you can just consider Katar an unofficial reincarnation. If we skip the disaster between ''Crisis'' and ''Zero Hour'', things mostly make sense.
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sense.

There was a relatively
minor example not related to the wider Hawksnarl: Carter and Kendra died in an explosion in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis''. But Johns wanted to use them for ''ComicBook/BlackestNight'', so they were brought back to life again; and even the arts and plot for Kendra's funeral had to be altered in ''Justice League of America'' at the last moment to fit this. They were killed by the Black Lanterns and became zombies. They were revived again, and Kendra turned completely into Shiera. They were turned into wind creatures in the climax of ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'', and Shiera disappeared after that. \n*

Then, all of the DC universe was rebooted with the ''Comicbook/New52'' and the snarl began anew. In this continuity, Hawkman is Carter Hall again, an archaeologist. He tried to retire for some vague reason (that was never revealed) at the start of his series, but when he tried to destroy his armor, the shards of Nth metal fused into his body and gave him permanent powers. Meanwhile, Kendra was rebooted onto Earth-2 as a completely unrelated character who went by Hawkgirl, and seemed to have some ties to the man who would become the new Dr. Fate but was otherwise unrelated to the ''Hawkman'' mythos. And then Creator/RobLiefeld retconned Carter's origin story in a #0 and revealed that "Carter Hall" was ''actually'' Katar Hol from Thanagar and had amnesia, and Carter Hall was just a cover identity he somehow whipped up, despite the fact that "Carter" was shown to have knowledge of Earth's history while actually being a renowned archaeologist. Things happened, Shayera was introduced and killed, Katar joined two different Justice Leagues, and then finally died in the ''Death of Hawkman'' miniseries... his last words being "see you in the next life", possibly implying that the reincarnation thing ''was'' still canon?!
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And then the ''real'' Carter Hall Hawkman, Khufu memories and all, was revealed to have existed in ''ComicBook/DarkNightsMetal'', alongside a Shiera Hawkgirl. Once again, Prince Khufu and Princess Chay-Ara found a crashed spaceship made of Nth Metal and operated as Hawkman and Hawkgirl throughout their numerous lives. One of those lives happened to reincarnate Khufu as Carter and Chay-Ara as Shiera. Both operated as Hawkman and Hawkgirl as usual and died at some point in the past. Both were reincarnated ''again'', this time Shiera coming back as Kendra Saunders -- this time recalling her previous lives -- both once again operating as Hawkman and Hawkgirl. Carter later disappeared into the Dark Multiverse while Kendra took up the identity of Lady Blackhawk. This ''could'' explain how Katar was able to pass himself off as Carter -- he just happened to use a name that actually ''had'' all the credentials of an archaeologist -- but why Kendra would allow this and not get involved remains to be seen. Oy...
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The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name.

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* Hawkman was first created by Gardner Fox during the Golden Age. He was Carter Hall, an archaeologist, who found an ancient dagger. He discovered that he was the reincarnation of the ancient Egyptian prince Khufu. He created his suit with the Nth metal, and fought alongside the reincarnation of Khufu's wife Chay-Ara. The comic book was eventually cancelled, alongside all of DC's comics of the time (except for Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman). Most DC characters were reimagined during the Silver Age, but with new powers, origins, suits and names, and often with a more SF and less fantasy-genre concept. Now Hawkman and Hawkgirl were Katar and Shayera Hol, alien cops from the planet Thanagar who came to Earth in pursuit of a criminal named Byth Rok. They had wings made of Nth metal. The police gave them secret identities as Carter and Shiera Hall. No problems so far: the new Hawkman makes perfect sense, and the old one could be simply considered EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. The Pandora's box was opened by Flash, in the "Flash of Two Worlds" story. It established that all the old DC characters were still alive on Earth 2, an AlternateUniverse, including Hawkman. Which means, that there are two completely different and unrelated Hawkman and Hawkgirls running around (along with a Flash and Green Lantern, etc; but let's just stick to Hawkman). However, due to the characters living on seperate Earths, it was still pretty easy to distinguish them from each other and keep track of their origins.

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* Hawkman was first created by Gardner Fox during the [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age.Age]]. He was Carter Hall, an archaeologist, who found an ancient dagger. He discovered that he was the reincarnation of the ancient Egyptian prince Khufu. He created his suit with the Nth metal, and fought alongside the reincarnation of Khufu's wife Chay-Ara. The comic book was eventually cancelled, alongside all of DC's comics of the time (except for Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman). Woman).
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Most DC characters were reimagined during the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age, Age]], but with new powers, origins, suits and names, and often with a more SF and less fantasy-genre concept. Now Hawkman and Hawkgirl were Katar and Shayera Hol, alien cops from the planet Thanagar who came to Earth in pursuit of a criminal named Byth Rok. They had wings made of Nth metal. The police gave them secret identities as Carter and Shiera Hall. No problems so far: the new Hawkman makes perfect sense, and the old one could be simply considered EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. The Pandora's box was opened by Flash, in the "Flash of Two Worlds" story. It established that all the old DC characters were still alive on Earth 2, an AlternateUniverse, including Hawkman. Which means, that there are two completely different and unrelated Hawkman and Hawkgirls running around (along with a Flash and Green Lantern, etc; but let's just stick to Hawkman). However, due to the characters living on seperate Earths, it was still pretty easy to distinguish them from each other and keep track of their origins.
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ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} is the poster boy of the ContinuitySnarl trope for a reason. So grab your pills and try to follow us as we explain his complicated history.

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ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} is the poster boy of the ContinuitySnarl trope for a reason. Mostly this is because his Golden Age and Silver Age pre-Crisis versions were particularly different in concept, to a degree approaching InNameOnly, but post-Crisis writers have kept trying to somehow merge the two. So grab your pills and try to follow us as we explain his complicated history.

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They never say it's not linear in time. They say he reincarnates across space and time, but not that he's going back in time when he reincarnates. He visits the other times through hijinks, but he never says he can die in the 21st Century and go back to the 1st, for example.


* The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name.
** This is brushed out with the statement that the reincarnations AREN'T Procedural or Linear in time, IE one happening after another. Meaning You can have a overlap of lives. Basically you can have Space Cop Katar and Adventurer Carter both exist at the same time and there is no contradiction cause there is no telling which previous life dying leads to that reincarnation whether its from the past or future.

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* The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name. \n** This is brushed out with the statement that the reincarnations AREN'T Procedural or Linear in time, IE one happening after another. Meaning You can have a overlap of lives. Basically you can have Space Cop Katar and Adventurer Carter both exist at the same time and there is no contradiction cause there is no telling which previous life dying leads to that reincarnation whether its from the past or future.
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* The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name.

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* The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series fixed some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name.
**This is brushed out with the statement that the reincarnations AREN'T Procedural or Linear in time, IE one happening after another. Meaning You can have a overlap of lives. Basically you can have Space Cop Katar and Adventurer Carter both exist at the same time and there is no contradiction cause there is no telling which previous life dying leads to that reincarnation whether its from the past or future.
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* Let's recount the what we have so far: Carter Hall, the reincarnating Hawkman trapped in limbo, Shiera Hall, the reincarnating Hawk''girl'' trapped in limbo, Fel Andar, the spy Hawkman that joined the JLI and pretended to be Katar Hol, Sharon Parker, the Hawkwoman brainwashed into believing that she was Shayera Hall that joined the JLI, Katar Hol, the Hawkman from ''Hawkworld'' and Shayera Thal, the Hawk''woman'' from ''Hawkworld''. If you are already having a headache, we can't blame you. This was dealt with in ''ComicBook/ZeroHour''. It was revealed that Katar's father had landed on Earth at some point and ''met'' Carter Hall, and based Thanagar's wings on Carter's and named his son (Katar) after Carter. It was revealed that Katar was also half-human, and all the disparate Hawkmen and Hawkwomen were fused into a single being, a "Hawkgod". Carter, Katar and Shiera do not exist anymore, Fel Andar is a character of his own and Shayera went back to Thanagar.

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* Let's recount the what we have so far: Carter Hall, the reincarnating Hawkman trapped in limbo, limbo; Shiera Hall, the reincarnating Hawk''girl'' trapped in limbo, limbo; Fel Andar, the spy Hawkman that joined the JLI and pretended to be Katar Hol, Hol; Sharon Parker, the Hawkwoman brainwashed into believing that she was Shayera Hall that joined the JLI, JLI; Katar Hol, the Hawkman from ''Hawkworld'' ''Hawkworld''; and Shayera Thal, the Hawk''woman'' from ''Hawkworld''. If you are already having a headache, we can't blame you. This was dealt with in ''ComicBook/ZeroHour''. It was revealed that Katar's father had landed on Earth at some point and ''met'' Carter Hall, and based Thanagar's wings on Carter's and named his son (Katar) after Carter. It was revealed that Katar was also half-human, and all the disparate Hawkmen and Hawkwomen were fused into a single being, a "Hawkgod". Carter, Katar and Shiera do not exist anymore, Fel Andar is a character of his own and Shayera went back to Thanagar.
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* Hawkman was first created by Gardner Fox during the Golden Age. He was Carter Hall, an archaeologist, who found an ancient dagger. He discovered that he was the reincarnation of the ancient Egyptian prince Khufu. He created his suit with the Nth metal, and fought alongside the reincarnation of Khufu's wife Chay-Ara. The comic book was eventually cancelled, alongside all of DC's comics of the time (except for Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman). Most DC characters were reimagined during the Silver Age, but with new powers, origins, suits and names. Now Hawkman and Hawkgirl were Katar and Shayera Hol, alien cops from Thanagar who came to Earth in pursuit of a criminal named Byth Rok. They had wings made of Nth metal. The police gave them secret identities as Carter and Shiera Hall. No problems so far: the new Hawkman makes perfect sense, and the old one could be simply considered EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. The Pandora's box was opened by Flash, in the "Flash of Two Worlds" story. It established that all the old DC characters were still alive on Earth 2, an AlternateUniverse, including Hawkman. Which means, that there are two completely different and unrelated Hawkman and Hawkgirls running around (along with a Flash and Green Lantern, etc; but let's just stick to Hawkman). However, due to the characters living on seperate Earths, it was still pretty easy to distinguish them from each other and keep track of their origins.

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* Hawkman was first created by Gardner Fox during the Golden Age. He was Carter Hall, an archaeologist, who found an ancient dagger. He discovered that he was the reincarnation of the ancient Egyptian prince Khufu. He created his suit with the Nth metal, and fought alongside the reincarnation of Khufu's wife Chay-Ara. The comic book was eventually cancelled, alongside all of DC's comics of the time (except for Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman). Most DC characters were reimagined during the Silver Age, but with new powers, origins, suits and names. names, and often with a more SF and less fantasy-genre concept. Now Hawkman and Hawkgirl were Katar and Shayera Hol, alien cops from the planet Thanagar who came to Earth in pursuit of a criminal named Byth Rok. They had wings made of Nth metal. The police gave them secret identities as Carter and Shiera Hall. No problems so far: the new Hawkman makes perfect sense, and the old one could be simply considered EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. The Pandora's box was opened by Flash, in the "Flash of Two Worlds" story. It established that all the old DC characters were still alive on Earth 2, an AlternateUniverse, including Hawkman. Which means, that there are two completely different and unrelated Hawkman and Hawkgirls running around (along with a Flash and Green Lantern, etc; but let's just stick to Hawkman). However, due to the characters living on seperate Earths, it was still pretty easy to distinguish them from each other and keep track of their origins.
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* And then the ''real'' Carter Hall Hawkman, Khufu memories and all, was revealed to have existed in ''ComicBook/DarkNightsMetal'', alongside a Shiera Hawkgirl. Once again, Prince Khufu and Princess Chay-Ara found a crashed spaceship made of Nth Metal and operated as Hawkman and Hawkgirl throughout their numerous lives. One of those lives happened to reincarnate Khufu as Carter and Chay-Ara as Shiera. Both operated as Hawkman and Hawkgirl as usual and died at some point in the past. Both were reincarnated ''again'', this time Shiera coming back as Kendra Saunders -- this time recalling her previous lives -- both once again operating as Hawkman and Hawkgirl. Carter later disappeared into the Dark Multiverse while Kendra took up the identity of Lady Blackhawk. This ''could'' explain how Katar was able to pass himself off as Carter -- he just happened to use a name that actually ''had'' all the credentials of an archaeologist -- but why Kendra would allow this and not get involved remains to be seen. *sigh*

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* And then the ''real'' Carter Hall Hawkman, Khufu memories and all, was revealed to have existed in ''ComicBook/DarkNightsMetal'', alongside a Shiera Hawkgirl. Once again, Prince Khufu and Princess Chay-Ara found a crashed spaceship made of Nth Metal and operated as Hawkman and Hawkgirl throughout their numerous lives. One of those lives happened to reincarnate Khufu as Carter and Chay-Ara as Shiera. Both operated as Hawkman and Hawkgirl as usual and died at some point in the past. Both were reincarnated ''again'', this time Shiera coming back as Kendra Saunders -- this time recalling her previous lives -- both once again operating as Hawkman and Hawkgirl. Carter later disappeared into the Dark Multiverse while Kendra took up the identity of Lady Blackhawk. This ''could'' explain how Katar was able to pass himself off as Carter -- he just happened to use a name that actually ''had'' all the credentials of an archaeologist -- but why Kendra would allow this and not get involved remains to be seen. *sigh*Oy...

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* The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series finally fixed most of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out.

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\n* The 2018 ''Hawkman'' series finally fixed most some of the post-''New 52'' mess by revealing that Hawkman didn't just reincarnate through time, but through space as well, meaning he was both Carter Hall ''and'' Kartar Hal at one point or another, as well as others like Catar-ol of Krypton, and Katarthul of Ranna. His new origin is essentially a fusion of his ''New 52'' and Earth-2 origins with the tangles brushed out. However, Carter Hall never actually died, so why he reincarnated as Katar Hol hasn't been explained, nor has Kendra's ignoring of Katar or his using of Carter's name.

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