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When documenting a trope's presence in a work, it is always emphasized that an adequate explanation describing where the trope occurs and/or how it is used be written for it. However, with media content being so easy to find on the Internet, and with [[Website/YouTube video sharing sites]], Wiki/{{Wikipedia}}, [[WebOriginal original Internet content]] and [[{{Webcomics}} comics]] being what they are, sometimes it feels easier to just paste a URL link to wherever else on the Internet a trope example appears, like so...
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When documenting a trope's presence in a work, it is always emphasized that an adequate explanation describing where the trope occurs and/or how it is used be written for it. However, with media content being so easy to find on the Internet, and with [[Website/YouTube video sharing sites]], Wiki/{{Wikipedia}}, Website/{{Wikipedia}}, [[WebOriginal original Internet content]] and [[{{Webcomics}} comics]] being what they are, sometimes it feels easier to just paste a URL link to wherever else on the Internet a trope example appears, like so...
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This problem isn't exclusive to leaving URL links in example spaces, either. Directing page readers to other articles on Wiki/ThisVeryWiki where a relevant trope example has already been written out is just as problematic and ill-advised.
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This problem isn't exclusive to leaving URL links in example spaces, either. Directing page readers to other articles on Wiki/ThisVeryWiki Website/ThisVeryWiki where a relevant trope example has already been written out is just as problematic and ill-advised.
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-> Happens in ''[[TemplateGag [Work Title]]]'', Title] ]]'', seen [[https://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
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This problem isn't exclusive to leaving URL links in example spaces, either. Directing page readers to other articles on ThisWiki where a relevant trope example has already been written out is just as problematic and ill-advised.
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This problem isn't exclusive to leaving URL links in example spaces, either. Directing page readers to other articles on ThisWiki Wiki/ThisVeryWiki where a relevant trope example has already been written out is just as problematic and ill-advised.
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I HAVE *HAD IT* WITH ALL THIS BULLSHIT! D:<
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When documenting a trope's presence in a work, it is always emphasized that an adequate explanation describing where the trope occurs and/or how it is used be written for it. However, with media content being so easy to find on the Internet, and with [[Website/YouTube video sharing sites]], Wiki/{{Wikipedia}}, [[WebOriginal original Internet content]] and [[{{Webcomics}} comics]] being what they are, sometimes it feels easier to just paste a URL link to wherever else on the Internet a trope example appears, like so...
-> [[TropeName [Trope Name]]]: As seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> Happens in ''[[TemplateGag [Work Title]]]'', seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> [[http://www.wikipedia.org/ [Subject Pertaining to Article on The Other Wiki] ]]
:: -OR-
->[[http://www.youtube.com/ This]]
Unfortunately, despite the convenience this practice gives an editor, leaving examples like this causes a number of problems for everybody else.
* '''It's a distraction.''' Instead of reading through examples on a trope or work page, readers are now somewhere else, on another website, watching videos and doing all manner of activities irrelevant to the article they were just reading (and which we'd much rather prefer [[SugarWiki/TVTropesWillEnhanceYourLife they stay engaged with]]).
* '''URL links are not guaranteed to work forever.''' While in the short term, a video or website may be working and people may be able to view the relevant content, if at any point a video is removed or a website shuts down or puts a block or restriction on the linked content, nobody is going to be able to view it or understand the example.
* '''The mere appearance of a weblink explains nothing about the example on its own.''' Clicking on a link is a choice; people can either do it or ignore it. For anyone who ignores the link, the remaining text is as helpful as a Administrivia/ZeroContextExample.
* Moreover, '''nobody should ''have to'' click on a weblink.''' People reading trope examples shouldn't have no other choice but to ''leave'' the page they are already on in order to understand something immediately relevant to what they were just reading.
On the whole, we want to encourage editors to write out their examples and explain how any given trope is used in all circumstances. Even if a trope example is overly complex or requires a lot of explanation that a weblink to some other place can seemingly convey more easily, or even if one wants to include a weblink, anyway, one should still try to make an effort to write a sufficient, clear explanation of a trope example, no differently than if one didn't have any URL links on hand.
It is always preferable to use outside links as additional tools to ''clarify'', ''enhance'', or ''provide reference to'' a detailed example's content, rather than using them ''in place of'' the detailed example itself. In short, weblinks are to ''supplement'' context, but ''never substitute'' for context.
This problem isn't exclusive to leaving URL links in example spaces, either. Directing page readers to other articles on ThisWiki where a relevant trope example has already been written out is just as problematic and ill-advised.
Any trope example that relies entirely on getting readers to visit a separate webpage for an explanation should be (a) expanded from the linked content , (b) pulled from the article and brought to its respective discussion page, or, if this poses a problem throughout a significant portion of a page's examples list, (c) brought up in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13245272780A22160100 this Special Efforts thread.]]
See Also: Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, Administrivia/ZeroContextExample, for more on the importance of providing written explanations for tropes; Administrivia/SinkHole, for more on how to avoid using links irresponsibly; Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample, for more on how to make sure examples are written correctly. An overabundance of links of any sort will generally increase odds of users going on a WikiWalk.
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-> [[TropeName [Trope Name]]]: As seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> Happens in ''[[TemplateGag [Work Title]]]'', seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> [[http://www.wikipedia.org/ [Subject Pertaining to Article on The Other Wiki] ]]
:: -OR-
->[[http://www.youtube.com/ This]]
Unfortunately, despite the convenience this practice gives an editor, leaving examples like this causes a number of problems for everybody else.
* '''It's a distraction.''' Instead of reading through examples on a trope or work page, readers are now somewhere else, on another website, watching videos and doing all manner of activities irrelevant to the article they were just reading (and which we'd much rather prefer [[SugarWiki/TVTropesWillEnhanceYourLife they stay engaged with]]).
* '''URL links are not guaranteed to work forever.''' While in the short term, a video or website may be working and people may be able to view the relevant content, if at any point a video is removed or a website shuts down or puts a block or restriction on the linked content, nobody is going to be able to view it or understand the example.
* '''The mere appearance of a weblink explains nothing about the example on its own.''' Clicking on a link is a choice; people can either do it or ignore it. For anyone who ignores the link, the remaining text is as helpful as a Administrivia/ZeroContextExample.
* Moreover, '''nobody should ''have to'' click on a weblink.''' People reading trope examples shouldn't have no other choice but to ''leave'' the page they are already on in order to understand something immediately relevant to what they were just reading.
On the whole, we want to encourage editors to write out their examples and explain how any given trope is used in all circumstances. Even if a trope example is overly complex or requires a lot of explanation that a weblink to some other place can seemingly convey more easily, or even if one wants to include a weblink, anyway, one should still try to make an effort to write a sufficient, clear explanation of a trope example, no differently than if one didn't have any URL links on hand.
It is always preferable to use outside links as additional tools to ''clarify'', ''enhance'', or ''provide reference to'' a detailed example's content, rather than using them ''in place of'' the detailed example itself. In short, weblinks are to ''supplement'' context, but ''never substitute'' for context.
This problem isn't exclusive to leaving URL links in example spaces, either. Directing page readers to other articles on ThisWiki where a relevant trope example has already been written out is just as problematic and ill-advised.
Any trope example that relies entirely on getting readers to visit a separate webpage for an explanation should be (a) expanded from the linked content , (b) pulled from the article and brought to its respective discussion page, or, if this poses a problem throughout a significant portion of a page's examples list, (c) brought up in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13245272780A22160100 this Special Efforts thread.]]
See Also: Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, Administrivia/ZeroContextExample, for more on the importance of providing written explanations for tropes; Administrivia/SinkHole, for more on how to avoid using links irresponsibly; Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample, for more on how to make sure examples are written correctly. An overabundance of links of any sort will generally increase odds of users going on a WikiWalk.
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I told you a
-> [[TropeName [Trope Name]]]: As seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> Happens in ''[[TemplateGag [Work Title]]]'', seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> [[http://www.wikipedia.org/ [Subject Pertaining to Article on The Other Wiki] ]]
:: -OR-
->[[http://www.youtube.com/ This]]
Unfortunately, despite the convenience this practice gives an editor, leaving examples like this causes a number of problems for everybody else.
* '''It's a distraction.''' Instead of reading through examples on a trope or work page, readers are now somewhere else, on another website, watching videos and doing all manner of activities irrelevant to the article they were just reading (and
* '''URL links
Namespaces are
* '''The mere appearance of a weblink explains nothing about the example on its own.''' Clicking on a link is a choice; people can either do it or ignore it. For anyone who ignores the link, the remaining text is as helpful as a Administrivia/ZeroContextExample.
* Moreover, '''nobody should ''have to'' click on a weblink.''' People reading trope examples shouldn't have no other choice but to ''leave'' the page they are already on in order to understand something immediately relevant to what they were just reading.
On the whole, we want to encourage editors to write out their examples and explain how any given trope is
It is always preferable to use outside links as additional tools to ''clarify'', ''enhance'', or ''provide reference to'' a detailed example's content, rather than using them ''in place of''
This problem isn't exclusive to leaving URL links in example spaces, either. Directing page readers to other
Any trope example that relies entirely on getting readers to visit a separate webpage for an explanation should be (a) expanded from
See Also: Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, Administrivia/ZeroContextExample, for more on the importance of providing written explanations for tropes; Administrivia/SinkHole, for more on how to avoid using links irresponsibly; Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample, for more on how to make sure examples are written correctly. An overabundance of links of any sort will generally increase odds of users going on a WikiWalk.
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* '''It's a distraction.''' Instead of reading through examples on a trope or work page, readers are now somewhere else, on another website, watching videos and doing all manner of activities irrelevant to the article they were just reading (and which we'd much rather prefer [[TVTropesWillEnhanceYourLife they stay engaged with]]).
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* '''It's a distraction.''' Instead of reading through examples on a trope or work page, readers are now somewhere else, on another website, watching videos and doing all manner of activities irrelevant to the article they were just reading (and which we'd much rather prefer [[TVTropesWillEnhanceYourLife [[SugarWiki/TVTropesWillEnhanceYourLife they stay engaged with]]).
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* '''It's a distraction.''' Instead of reading through examples on a trope or work page, readers are now somewhere else, on another website, watching videos and doing all manner of activities irrelevant to the article they were just reading (and which we'd much rather prefer [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife they stay engaged with]]).
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* '''It's a distraction.''' Instead of reading through examples on a trope or work page, readers are now somewhere else, on another website, watching videos and doing all manner of activities irrelevant to the article they were just reading (and which we'd much rather prefer [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife [[TVTropesWillEnhanceYourLife they stay engaged with]]).
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It is always preferable to use outside links as additional tools to ''clarify'', ''enhance'', or ''provide reference to'' a detailed example's content, rather than using them ''in place of'' the detailed example itself.
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It is always preferable to use outside links as additional tools to ''clarify'', ''enhance'', or ''provide reference to'' a detailed example's content, rather than using them ''in place of'' the detailed example itself.
itself. In short, weblinks are to ''supplement'' context, but ''never substitute'' for context.
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This is essentially repeating what\'s already explained in the first bullet point and the paragraph that follows the bulleted list just to talk up the importance of ad revenue. Unnecessary.
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Also note: TVTropes depends on ad revenue from the ads on the pages, and we {{Tropers}} enjoy it for free. Directing people ''away'' from TVTropes means they end up taking a WikiWalk and the ad revenue disappears. So while it's ''fine to include a link to what you are talking about'', still explain what it is so people don't absolutely ''have'' to leave the site to learn more.
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Also note: TVTropes depends on ad revenue from the ads on the pages, and we {{Tropers}} enjoy it for free. Directing people ''away'' from TVTropes means they end up taking a WikiWalk and the ad revenue disappears. So while it's ''fine to include a link to what you are talking about'', still explain what it is so people don't absolutely ''have'' to leave the site to learn more.
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Reverting. There\'s no reason here to be pimping links to individual videos.
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See Also: Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, Administrivia/ZeroContextExample, for more on on the importance of providing written explanations for tropes; Administrivia/SinkHole, for more on how to avoid using links irresponsibly; Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample, for more on how to make sure examples are written correctly. An overabundance of links of any sort will generally increase odds of users going on a WikiWalk.
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See Also: Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, Administrivia/ZeroContextExample, for more on on the importance of providing written explanations for tropes; Administrivia/SinkHole, for more on how to avoid using links irresponsibly; Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample, for more on how to make sure examples are written correctly. An overabundance of links of any sort will generally increase odds of users going on a WikiWalk.
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When documenting a trope's presence in a work, it is always emphasized that an adequate explanation describing where the trope occurs and/or how it is used be written for it. However, with media content being so easy to find on the Internet, and with [[Website/YouTube video sharing sites]], Wiki/{{Wikipedia}}, [[WebOriginal original Internet content]] and [[{{Webcomics}} comics]] being what they are, sometimes it feels easier to just paste a URL link to wherever else on the Internet a trope example appears, like so...
-> [[TropeName [Trope Name]]]: As seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> Happens in ''[[TemplateGag [Work Title]]]'', seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> [[http://www.wikipedia.org/ [Subject Pertaining to Article on The Other Wiki] ]]
:: -OR-
->[[http://www.youtube.com/ This]]
Unfortunately, despite the convenience this practice gives an editor, leaving examples like this causes a number of problems for everybody else.
* '''It's a distraction.''' Instead of reading through examples on a trope or work page, readers are now somewhere else, on another website, watching videos and doing all manner of activities irrelevant to the article they were just reading (and which we'd much rather prefer [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife they stay engaged with]]).
* '''URL links are not guaranteed to work forever.''' While in the short term, a video or website may be working and people may be able to view the relevant content, if at any point a video is removed or a website shuts down or puts a block or restriction on the linked content, nobody is going to be able to view it or understand the example.
* '''The mere appearance of a weblink explains nothing about the example on its own.''' Clicking on a link is a choice; people can either do it or ignore it. For anyone who ignores the link, the remaining text is as helpful as a Administrivia/ZeroContextExample.
* Moreover, '''nobody should ''have to'' click on a weblink.''' People reading trope examples shouldn't have no other choice but to ''leave'' the page they are already on in order to understand something immediately relevant to what they were just reading.
On the whole, we want to encourage editors to write out their examples and explain how any given trope is used in all circumstances. Even if a trope example is overly complex or requires a lot of explanation that a weblink to some other place can seemingly convey more easily, or even if one wants to include a weblink, anyway, one should still try to make an effort to write a sufficient, clear explanation of a trope example, no differently than if one didn't have any URL links on hand.
It is always preferable to use outside links as additional tools to ''clarify'', ''enhance'', or ''provide reference to'' a detailed example's content, rather than using them ''in place of'' the detailed example itself.
This problem isn't exclusive to leaving URL links in example spaces, either. Directing page readers to other articles on ThisWiki where a relevant trope example has already been written out is just as problematic and ill-advised.
Any trope example that relies entirely on getting readers to visit a separate webpage for an explanation should be (a) expanded from the linked content , (b) pulled from the article and brought to its respective discussion page, or, if this poses a problem throughout a significant portion of a page's examples list, (c) brought up in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13245272780A22160100 this Special Efforts thread.]]
See Also: Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, Administrivia/ZeroContextExample, for more on on the importance of providing written explanations for tropes; Administrivia/SinkHole, for more on how to avoid using links irresponsibly; Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample, for more on how to make sure examples are written correctly. An overabundance of links of any sort will generally increase odds of users going on a WikiWalk.
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-> [[TropeName [Trope Name]]]: As seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> Happens in ''[[TemplateGag [Work Title]]]'', seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> [[http://www.wikipedia.org/ [Subject Pertaining to Article on The Other Wiki] ]]
:: -OR-
->[[http://www.youtube.com/ This]]
Unfortunately, despite the convenience this practice gives an editor, leaving examples like this causes a number of problems for everybody else.
* '''It's a distraction.''' Instead of reading through examples on a trope or work page, readers are now somewhere else, on another website, watching videos and doing all manner of activities irrelevant to the article they were just reading (and which we'd much rather prefer [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife they stay engaged with]]).
* '''URL links are not guaranteed to work forever.''' While in the short term, a video or website may be working and people may be able to view the relevant content, if at any point a video is removed or a website shuts down or puts a block or restriction on the linked content, nobody is going to be able to view it or understand the example.
* '''The mere appearance of a weblink explains nothing about the example on its own.''' Clicking on a link is a choice; people can either do it or ignore it. For anyone who ignores the link, the remaining text is as helpful as a Administrivia/ZeroContextExample.
* Moreover, '''nobody should ''have to'' click on a weblink.''' People reading trope examples shouldn't have no other choice but to ''leave'' the page they are already on in order to understand something immediately relevant to what they were just reading.
On the whole, we want to encourage editors to write out their examples and explain how any given trope is used in all circumstances. Even if a trope example is overly complex or requires a lot of explanation that a weblink to some other place can seemingly convey more easily, or even if one wants to include a weblink, anyway, one should still try to make an effort to write a sufficient, clear explanation of a trope example, no differently than if one didn't have any URL links on hand.
It is always preferable to use outside links as additional tools to ''clarify'', ''enhance'', or ''provide reference to'' a detailed example's content, rather than using them ''in place of'' the detailed example itself.
This problem isn't exclusive to leaving URL links in example spaces, either. Directing page readers to other articles on ThisWiki where a relevant trope example has already been written out is just as problematic and ill-advised.
Any trope example that relies entirely on getting readers to visit a separate webpage for an explanation should be (a) expanded from the linked content , (b) pulled from the article and brought to its respective discussion page, or, if this poses a problem throughout a significant portion of a page's examples list, (c) brought up in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13245272780A22160100 this Special Efforts thread.]]
See Also: Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, Administrivia/ZeroContextExample, for more on on the importance of providing written explanations for tropes; Administrivia/SinkHole, for more on how to avoid using links irresponsibly; Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample, for more on how to make sure examples are written correctly. An overabundance of links of any sort will generally increase odds of users going on a WikiWalk.
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I told you a
-> [[TropeName [Trope Name]]]: As seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> Happens in ''[[TemplateGag [Work Title]]]'', seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> [[http://www.wikipedia.org/ [Subject Pertaining to Article on The Other Wiki] ]]
:: -OR-
->[[http://www.youtube.com/ This]]
Unfortunately, despite the convenience this practice gives an editor, leaving examples like this causes a number of problems for everybody else.
* '''It's a distraction.''' Instead of reading through examples on a trope or work page, readers are now somewhere else, on another website, watching videos and doing all manner of activities irrelevant to the article they were just reading (and
* '''URL links
Namespaces are
* '''The mere appearance of a weblink explains nothing about the example on its own.''' Clicking on a link is a choice; people can either do it or ignore it. For anyone who ignores the link, the remaining text is as helpful as a Administrivia/ZeroContextExample.
* Moreover, '''nobody should ''have to'' click on a weblink.''' People reading trope examples shouldn't have no other choice but to ''leave'' the page they are already on in order to understand something immediately relevant to what they were just reading.
On the whole, we want to encourage editors to write out their examples and explain how any given trope is
It is always preferable to use outside links as additional tools to ''clarify'', ''enhance'', or ''provide reference to'' a detailed example's content, rather than using them ''in place of''
This problem isn't exclusive to leaving URL links in example spaces, either. Directing page readers to other
Any trope example that relies entirely on getting readers to visit a separate webpage for an explanation should be (a) expanded from
See Also: Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, Administrivia/ZeroContextExample, for more on on the importance of providing written explanations for tropes; Administrivia/SinkHole, for more on how to avoid using links irresponsibly; Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample, for more on how to make sure examples are written correctly. An overabundance of links of any sort will generally increase odds of users going on a WikiWalk.
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When documenting a trope's presence in a work, it is always emphasized that an adequate explanation describing where the trope occurs and/or how it is used be written for it. However, with media content being so easy to find on the Internet, and with [[Website/YouTube video sharing sites]], Wiki/{{Wikipedia}}, [[WebOriginal original Internet content]] and [[{{Webcomics}} comics]] being what they are, sometimes it feels easier to just paste a URL link to wherever else on the Internet a trope example appears, like so...
-> [[TropeName [Trope Name]]]: As seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> Happens in ''[[TemplateGag [Work Title]]]'', seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> [[http://www.wikipedia.org/ [Subject Pertaining to Article on The Other Wiki] ]]
:: -OR-
->[[http://www.youtube.com/ This]]
Unfortunately, despite the convenience this practice gives an editor, leaving examples like this causes a number of problems for everybody else.
* '''It's a distraction.''' Instead of reading through examples on a trope or work page, readers are now somewhere else, on another website, watching videos and doing all manner of activities irrelevant to the article they were just reading (and which we'd much rather prefer [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife they stay engaged with]]).
* '''URL links are not guaranteed to work forever.''' While in the short term, a video or website may be working and people may be able to view the relevant content, if at any point a video is removed or a website shuts down or puts a block or restriction on the linked content, nobody is going to be able to view it or understand the example.
* '''The mere appearance of a weblink explains nothing about the example on its own.''' Clicking on a link is a choice; people can either do it or ignore it. For anyone who ignores the link, the remaining text is as helpful as a Administrivia/ZeroContextExample.
* Moreover, '''nobody should ''have to'' click on a weblink.''' People reading trope examples shouldn't have no other choice but to ''leave'' the page they are already on in order to understand something immediately relevant to what they were just reading.
On the whole, we want to encourage editors to write out their examples and explain how any given trope is used in all circumstances. Even if a trope example is overly complex or requires a lot of explanation that a weblink to some other place can seemingly convey more easily, or even if one wants to include a weblink, anyway, one should still try to make an effort to write a sufficient, clear explanation of a trope example, no differently than if one didn't have any URL links on hand.
It is always preferable to use outside links as additional tools to ''clarify'', ''enhance'', or ''provide reference to'' a detailed example's content, rather than using them ''in place of'' the detailed example itself.
This problem isn't exclusive to leaving URL links in example spaces, either. Directing page readers to other articles on ThisWiki where a relevant trope example has already been written out is just as problematic and ill-advised.
Any trope example that relies entirely on getting readers to visit a separate webpage for an explanation should be (a) expanded from the linked content , (b) pulled from the article and brought to its respective discussion page, or, if this poses a problem throughout a significant portion of a page's examples list, (c) brought up in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13245272780A22160100 this Special Efforts thread.]]
See Also: Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, Administrivia/ZeroContextExample, for more on on the importance of providing written explanations for tropes; Administrivia/SinkHole, for more on how to avoid using links irresponsibly; Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample, for more on how to make sure examples are written correctly. An overabundance of links of any sort will generally increase odds of users going on a WikiWalk.
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-> [[TropeName [Trope Name]]]: As seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> Happens in ''[[TemplateGag [Work Title]]]'', seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> [[http://www.wikipedia.org/ [Subject Pertaining to Article on The Other Wiki] ]]
:: -OR-
->[[http://www.youtube.com/ This]]
Unfortunately, despite the convenience this practice gives an editor, leaving examples like this causes a number of problems for everybody else.
* '''It's a distraction.''' Instead of reading through examples on a trope or work page, readers are now somewhere else, on another website, watching videos and doing all manner of activities irrelevant to the article they were just reading (and which we'd much rather prefer [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife they stay engaged with]]).
* '''URL links are not guaranteed to work forever.''' While in the short term, a video or website may be working and people may be able to view the relevant content, if at any point a video is removed or a website shuts down or puts a block or restriction on the linked content, nobody is going to be able to view it or understand the example.
* '''The mere appearance of a weblink explains nothing about the example on its own.''' Clicking on a link is a choice; people can either do it or ignore it. For anyone who ignores the link, the remaining text is as helpful as a Administrivia/ZeroContextExample.
* Moreover, '''nobody should ''have to'' click on a weblink.''' People reading trope examples shouldn't have no other choice but to ''leave'' the page they are already on in order to understand something immediately relevant to what they were just reading.
On the whole, we want to encourage editors to write out their examples and explain how any given trope is used in all circumstances. Even if a trope example is overly complex or requires a lot of explanation that a weblink to some other place can seemingly convey more easily, or even if one wants to include a weblink, anyway, one should still try to make an effort to write a sufficient, clear explanation of a trope example, no differently than if one didn't have any URL links on hand.
It is always preferable to use outside links as additional tools to ''clarify'', ''enhance'', or ''provide reference to'' a detailed example's content, rather than using them ''in place of'' the detailed example itself.
This problem isn't exclusive to leaving URL links in example spaces, either. Directing page readers to other articles on ThisWiki where a relevant trope example has already been written out is just as problematic and ill-advised.
Any trope example that relies entirely on getting readers to visit a separate webpage for an explanation should be (a) expanded from the linked content , (b) pulled from the article and brought to its respective discussion page, or, if this poses a problem throughout a significant portion of a page's examples list, (c) brought up in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13245272780A22160100 this Special Efforts thread.]]
See Also: Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, Administrivia/ZeroContextExample, for more on on the importance of providing written explanations for tropes; Administrivia/SinkHole, for more on how to avoid using links irresponsibly; Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample, for more on how to make sure examples are written correctly. An overabundance of links of any sort will generally increase odds of users going on a WikiWalk.
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-> [[TropeName [Trope Name]]]: As seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
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-> Happens in ''[[TemplateGag [Work Title]]]'', seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> [[http://www.wikipedia.org/ [Subject Pertaining to Article on The Other Wiki] ]]
:: -OR-
->[[http://www.youtube.com/ This]]
Unfortunately, despite the convenience this practice gives an editor, leaving examples like this causes a number of problems for everybody else.
* '''It's a distraction.''' Instead of reading through examples on a trope or work page, readers are now somewhere else, on another website, watching videos and doing all manner of activities irrelevant to the article they were just reading (and
* '''URL links
Namespaces are
* '''The mere appearance of a weblink explains nothing about the example on its own.''' Clicking on a link is a choice; people can either do it or ignore it. For anyone who ignores the link, the remaining text is as helpful as a Administrivia/ZeroContextExample.
* Moreover, '''nobody should ''have to'' click on a weblink.''' People reading trope examples shouldn't have no other choice but to ''leave'' the page they are already on in order to understand something immediately relevant to what they were just reading.
On the whole, we want to encourage editors to write out their examples and explain how any given trope is
It is always preferable to use outside links as additional tools to ''clarify'', ''enhance'', or ''provide reference to'' a detailed example's content, rather than using them ''in place of''
This problem isn't exclusive to leaving URL links in example spaces, either. Directing page readers to other
Any trope example that relies entirely on getting readers to visit a separate webpage for an explanation should be (a) expanded from
See Also: Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, Administrivia/ZeroContextExample, for more on on the importance of providing written explanations for tropes; Administrivia/SinkHole, for more on how to avoid using links irresponsibly; Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample, for more on how to make sure examples are written correctly. An overabundance of links of any sort will generally increase odds of users going on a WikiWalk.
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See Also: Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, Administrivia/ZeroContextExample, for more on on the importance of providing written explanations for tropes; SinkHole, Administrivia/SinkHole, for more on how to avoid using links irresponsibly; Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample, for more on how to make sure examples are written correctly. An overabundance of links of any sort will generally increase odds of users going on a WikiWalk.
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Repairing the link isn\'t helpful advice because people who place the original link in the first place have no way of nowhere when it breaks, and people who click a broken link have no sure way of knowing what exactly they\'re supposed to be finding. The lesson here, above all, is to always provide context on a trope or work page itself; having web videos you want to share is secondary and superfluous to what is REALLY important.
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* '''URL links are not guaranteed to work forever.''' While in the short term, a video or website may be working and people may be able to view the relevant content, if at any point a video is removed or a website shuts down or puts a block or restriction on the linked content, nobody is going to be able to view it or understand the example... or even repair the link, since they don't know what it ''was''.
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* '''URL links are not guaranteed to work forever.''' While in the short term, a video or website may be working and people may be able to view the relevant content, if at any point a video is removed or a website shuts down or puts a block or restriction on the linked content, nobody is going to be able to view it or understand the example... or even repair the link, since they don't know what it ''was''.example.
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* '''URL links are not guaranteed to work forever.''' While in the short term, a video or website may be working and people may be able to view the relevant content, if at any point a video is removed or a website shuts down or puts a block or restriction on the linked content, nobody is going to be able to view it or be able to understand the example.
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* '''URL links are not guaranteed to work forever.''' While in the short term, a video or website may be working and people may be able to view the relevant content, if at any point a video is removed or a website shuts down or puts a block or restriction on the linked content, nobody is going to be able to view it or be able to understand the example.example... or even repair the link, since they don't know what it ''was''.
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See Also: Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, Administrivia/ZeroContextExample, for more on on the importance of providing written explanations for tropes; SinkHole, for more on how to avoid using links irresponsibly; HowToWriteAnExample, for more on how to make sure examples are written correctly. An overabundance of links of any sort will generally increase odds of users going on a WikiWalk.
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See Also: Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, Administrivia/ZeroContextExample, for more on on the importance of providing written explanations for tropes; SinkHole, for more on how to avoid using links irresponsibly; HowToWriteAnExample, Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample, for more on how to make sure examples are written correctly. An overabundance of links of any sort will generally increase odds of users going on a WikiWalk.
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When documenting a trope's presence in a work, it is always emphasized that an adequate explanation describing where the trope occurs and/or how it is used be written for it. However, with media content being so easy to find on the Internet, and with [[Website/YouTube video sharing sites]], {{Wikipedia}}, [[WebOriginal original Internet content]] and [[{{Webcomics}} comics]] being what they are, sometimes it feels easier to just paste a URL link to wherever else on the Internet a trope example appears, like so...
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When documenting a trope's presence in a work, it is always emphasized that an adequate explanation describing where the trope occurs and/or how it is used be written for it. However, with media content being so easy to find on the Internet, and with [[Website/YouTube video sharing sites]], {{Wikipedia}}, Wiki/{{Wikipedia}}, [[WebOriginal original Internet content]] and [[{{Webcomics}} comics]] being what they are, sometimes it feels easier to just paste a URL link to wherever else on the Internet a trope example appears, like so...
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* '''The mere appearance of a weblink explains nothing about the example on its own.''' Clicking on a link is a choice; people can either do it or ignore it. For anyone who ignores the link, the remaining text is as helpful as a ZeroContextExample.Administrivia/ZeroContextExample.
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When documenting a trope's presence in a work, it is always emphasized that an adequate explanation describing where the trope occurs and/or how it is used be written for it. However, with media content being so easy to find on the Internet, and with [[Website/YouTube video sharing sites]], {{Wikipedia}}, [[WebOriginal original Internet content]] and [[{{Webcomics}} comics]] being what they are, sometimes it feels easier to just paste a URL link to wherever else on the Internet a trope example appears, like so...
-> [[TropeName [Trope Name]]]: As seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> Happens in ''[[TemplateGag [Work Title]]]'', seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> [[http://www.wikipedia.org/ [Subject Pertaining to Article on The Other Wiki] ]]
:: -OR-
->[[http://www.youtube.com/ This]]
Unfortunately, despite the convenience this practice gives an editor, leaving examples like this causes a number of problems for everybody else.
* '''It's a distraction.''' Instead of reading through examples on a trope or work page, readers are now somewhere else, on another website, watching videos and doing all manner of activities irrelevant to the article they were just reading (and which we'd much rather prefer [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife they stay engaged with]]).
* '''URL links are not guaranteed to work forever.''' While in the short term, a video or website may be working and people may be able to view the relevant content, if at any point a video is removed or a website shuts down or puts a block or restriction on the linked content, nobody is going to be able to view it or be able to understand the example.
* '''The mere appearance of a weblink explains nothing about the example on its own.''' Clicking on a link is a choice; people can either do it or ignore it. For anyone who ignores the link, the remaining text is as helpful as a ZeroContextExample.
* Moreover, '''nobody should ''have to'' click on a weblink.''' People reading trope examples shouldn't have no other choice but to ''leave'' the page they are already on in order to understand something immediately relevant to what they were just reading.
On the whole, we want to encourage editors to write out their examples and explain how any given trope is used in all circumstances. Even if a trope example is overly complex or requires a lot of explanation that a weblink to some other place can seemingly convey more easily, or even if one wants to include a weblink, anyway, one should still try to make an effort to write a sufficient, clear explanation of a trope example, no differently than if one didn't have any URL links on hand.
It is always preferable to use outside links as additional tools to ''clarify'', ''enhance'', or ''provide reference to'' a detailed example's content, rather than using them ''in place of'' the detailed example itself.
This problem isn't exclusive to leaving URL links in example spaces, either. Directing page readers to other articles on ThisWiki where a relevant trope example has already been written out is just as problematic and ill-advised.
Any trope example that relies entirely on getting readers to visit a separate webpage for an explanation should be (a) expanded from the linked content , (b) pulled from the article and brought to its respective discussion page, or, if this poses a problem throughout a significant portion of a page's examples list, (c) brought up in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13245272780A22160100 this Special Efforts thread.]]
See Also: Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, ZeroContextExample, for more on on the importance of providing written explanations for tropes; SinkHole, for more on how to avoid using links irresponsibly; HowToWriteAnExample, for more on how to make sure examples are written correctly. An overabundance of links of any sort will generally increase odds of users going on a WikiWalk.
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-> [[TropeName [Trope Name]]]: As seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> Happens in ''[[TemplateGag [Work Title]]]'', seen [[http://www.youtube.com/ here.]]
:: -OR-
-> [[http://www.wikipedia.org/ [Subject Pertaining to Article on The Other Wiki] ]]
:: -OR-
->[[http://www.youtube.com/ This]]
Unfortunately, despite the convenience this practice gives an editor, leaving examples like this causes a number of problems for everybody else.
* '''It's a distraction.''' Instead of reading through examples on a trope or work page, readers are now somewhere else, on another website, watching videos and doing all manner of activities irrelevant to the article they were just reading (and which we'd much rather prefer [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife they stay engaged with]]).
* '''URL links are not guaranteed to work forever.''' While in the short term, a video or website may be working and people may be able to view the relevant content, if at any point a video is removed or a website shuts down or puts a block or restriction on the linked content, nobody is going to be able to view it or be able to understand the example.
* '''The mere appearance of a weblink explains nothing about the example on its own.''' Clicking on a link is a choice; people can either do it or ignore it. For anyone who ignores the link, the remaining text is as helpful as a ZeroContextExample.
* Moreover, '''nobody should ''have to'' click on a weblink.''' People reading trope examples shouldn't have no other choice but to ''leave'' the page they are already on in order to understand something immediately relevant to what they were just reading.
On the whole, we want to encourage editors to write out their examples and explain how any given trope is used in all circumstances. Even if a trope example is overly complex or requires a lot of explanation that a weblink to some other place can seemingly convey more easily, or even if one wants to include a weblink, anyway, one should still try to make an effort to write a sufficient, clear explanation of a trope example, no differently than if one didn't have any URL links on hand.
It is always preferable to use outside links as additional tools to ''clarify'', ''enhance'', or ''provide reference to'' a detailed example's content, rather than using them ''in place of'' the detailed example itself.
This problem isn't exclusive to leaving URL links in example spaces, either. Directing page readers to other articles on ThisWiki where a relevant trope example has already been written out is just as problematic and ill-advised.
Any trope example that relies entirely on getting readers to visit a separate webpage for an explanation should be (a) expanded from the linked content , (b) pulled from the article and brought to its respective discussion page, or, if this poses a problem throughout a significant portion of a page's examples list, (c) brought up in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13245272780A22160100 this Special Efforts thread.]]
See Also: Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, ZeroContextExample, for more on on the importance of providing written explanations for tropes; SinkHole, for more on how to avoid using links irresponsibly; HowToWriteAnExample, for more on how to make sure examples are written correctly. An overabundance of links of any sort will generally increase odds of users going on a WikiWalk.
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