This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Krid: I'm copying this here because I like how it turned out: "Here. I think I can capture the essence of this.
Originally, Ban Dai attempted to license Sailor Moon in North America. Of course, I'm not talking about the anime or manga, I'm talking about the series name.
The plan was to make a hybrid live action/animated show. The abomination never made it past the proto-pilot stage, but you can view that here -> http://youtube.om/watch?v=358ewVY2nko
Another example would be if somebody decided to remake Neon Genesis Evangelion, but have Shinji (Now "Max Powers" - a suave and debonair hot shot with a chip on his shoulder and the skill to back it up) live with his mother Misato (Now "Mary Powers" a prim and proper woman who occasionally shows signs of knowing more about what's going on than one would expect, and sometimes far more than those 'in the know') after she divorced his alcoholic father Gendo (Now "James Powers", a kind and sensitive person who suffered greatly to keep a major secret from his family in order to protect them, and now wishes to make-up for lost time), until one day his father came around to reveal that he faked being a useless drunk so that he could work on his hidden project - artificially 'evolving' various kinds of lizards into giant biomechanical dragons so that they could fight off an impending invasion by an alien race known as the "Detheroids" (the insectoid Organic Technology/Crystal Spires And Togas sort of invaders, whose goals are never actually stated apart from blowing stuff up). He meets Rei (Now named "Jenny Buxom" - a ditsy bombshell who's an engineered Detheroid/human with a positronic brain who tries her hardest but lacks any sort of actual ability) who plays the comic relief and secondary love interest - ripping off the Cylons, she dies at least once per episode and simply downloads into a new body. Later, he meets Asuka (Now "Violet Shrinking", a quiet and reserved intellectual who has some piloting skill but only ever barely squeaks by due to a self-imposed mental block against hurting others), who becomes the other competitor for the affection of 'Max Powers'. The setting of the show is "Neo Venice", a place constructed so that it could submerge itself in a lake for protection because the aliens are allergic to water. Naturally, religious symbolism plays no part in the series. Etc...
The Eva example is thankfully entirely fictional, but it's not quite as out of proportion as I would have liked given the Sailor Moon example above. (Yes, it's only tangentially topical - I bastardized Eva for kicks.)"
Now, actually on-topic: This needs more examples. I would harvest the ones from the discussion linked above, but I'm pressed for time at the moment.
Shire Nomad: You don't know how tempted I am to list the following as an example:
- The mysterious Force of the Star Wars trilogy is repackaged as a medical state involving some sort of cells called "midichlorians" in... oh, wait.
(Umm, for the record, I wasn't the one to actually add it to the entry.)
Tanto: Is the Microsoft Shadowrun game the same as the version that game out for the SNES in the early-mid nineties? 'Cause I thought that one was pretty good. Of course, I've never role-played.
Kizor: No, the SNES one was quite loyal. I've heard that the Sega version was as well. As for that Force note? That's so very definitely going in the article. Do you think that we can afford candidly tossing away that amount of awesome?
Nezumi: Yeah. The SNES one was loyal. The new one just uses the name and some of the elements for no explicable reason when having nothing to do with it. And... I've always thought "Midichlorians make The Force too scientific and kill its mysticism" was a bogus argument. There's no reason it can't have a scientific basis and still be a strange, mystical force.
Kizor: I agree that the theory might be possible. Unfortunately the repackaging was executedin the worst possible way for coexistence. After a full movie trilogy's worth of presenting the Force as an explicitly mystical and supernatural connection, we get what amount to power level scanners as a triviality.
- Qui-Gon: Make an analysis of this blood sample I'm sending you. I need a Midi-Chlorian count.Obi-Wan: IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAND!
Morgan Wick: Funnily enough, when I read that, I had seen some Phantom Menace and I actually thought that might have been an actual quote, until I saw Mana and Memetic Mutation.
Seven Seals: Maybe it's just my lack of warm fuzzy feelings for the source material, but the Mech Warrior criticism reads like a definite jump into fanboy rant territory. I can just hear the Simpsons' Comic Book Guy saying something like "But, Aquaman, you cannot control a mech with more than four limbs. You lack the neural links of the limb-analogues." A certain amount of blatant suck is needed for this trope; if you're going to complain that they didn't get the phlebotinum quite right, you can line up just about every conversion ever made.
The Defenestrator: Since when does the Tarantula have 8 legs anyway? I remembered it as having 4 legs, like a few other mechs, and my technical readout books for the tabletop game have the original Inner Sphere version of the Tarantula as a 4-legged mech (the Tarantula in the game is the IIC model)
Nezumi: I hadn't seen it personally—never got far enough in Mechwarrior 2—but another entry refers to the prototype version of the Tarantula shown in that game as having 8 legs. And although the 8-legs bit is a bit trivial... recharacterizing the Wolf Clan changes their nature and is just wrong. The Guardian Clans and Crusader Clans are two different, completely opposed philosophies among the Clans. To summarize, the Guardian Clans believe that ultimately, you can't force the Inner Sphere to rebuild the Star League and return to the golden age. All the Clans can and should do, in their view, is make sure the Inner Sphere "barbarians" don't end up destroying each other before that can happen, and be ready to help with the rebuilding when the time comes. The Crusader Clans believe that the role of the Clans is to take the Inner Sphere from the "barbarians" currently inhabiting it and rebuild the Star League by force. In the canonical setting, the Wolf Clan was a Crusader Clan, with the Wolf's Dragoons mercenary unit getting its start as Wolf Clan spies that turned Guardian. According to everyone I've ever talked to who is familiar with the Battletech/Mechwarrior setting only from the computer games, the Wolf Clan was characterized as entirely a Guardian Clan—a massive philosophical shift that seems to serve no purpose other than to make the philosophical differences between Wolf and Jade Falcon seem more pronounced.
SAMAS Are you sure about that? Every single Battletech source I've seen says that Clan Wolf was a Warden(not Guardian) Clan until 3057. After the Refusal War, the clan was split into two factions, the survivors of the original Clan Wolf that went into exile in the Inner Sphere, and the Crusader Jade Wolf Clan, who eventually dropped the "Jade".
Nezumi: I'll admit I'm not as familiar with Battletech as I'd like to be... but from the materials I've read, I was under the distinct impression that the faction of the Wolf Clan involved in the Clan Wars—which would be the one covered in Mechwarrior 2—was a Crusader Clan which helped spearhead the Clan Wars along with Jade Falcon, despite infighting over who were the true heirs of Kerensky... with the Wolf's Dragoon detachment turning and deciding to help the Inner Sphere against their former brethren. Then again, most of the material I read was more from the perspective of the Inner Sphere nations, whose understanding of the Clans is rather distorted, so I could be misunderstanding. Of course, this is rather a moot point in the long run, as we're way past the Clan Wars in both Tabletop and electronic continuities. I'd also like to add that the criticism of the Word of Blake's potrayal in Mech Assault is a bit misleading; although much of what's said is true, it seems to imply that they're not religious fanatics. Which... isn't really right. They are a group of militant religious fanatics who broke off from Com Star over the secular reforms which they believed ran counter to the ideals of its founder. However, they're more subtle and organized than they seemed to be in Mech Assault.
Krid: Oh, I know they're religious fanatics, but that doesn't change the fact that they abide by the ares conventions and don't target civilians (Interestingly enough, the player violates the ares conventions by engaging in/initiating combat near population centers). There's a difference between that and strap-a-bomb-to-your-chest-and-blow-up-that-school-bus religious fanatics. Well, at least up until the point where WK decided to pin the blame on them for setting off the new Dark Ages arc, but since that's another example of this trope (and it was written after Mech Assault was made) I'm just going to ignore it for the purpose of this discussion.
Nezumi: In the end, Mech Assault's core game is fun enough that I'm willing to overlook the loric errors. Time will tell if the same will be true of Shadowrun—especially given how horrifyingly severe the loric errors are by comparison to Mech Assault. Even if it got the details wrong, Mech Assault did actually take place in the same setting and timeline.
Andyroid: Okay, Eric DVH and his little rant are seriously bugging me. Anyone else more familiar with the rise and fall of Interplay wanna try to make the entry a bit more objective?
Krid: Malicious Illusion, it's considered bad form to radically alter an example without telling anybody when said example has already been talked about on the discussion page. If you have a problem with the entry for Mech Warrior, you can tell us what it is here so that we can address the issue.
Malicious Illusion: Sorry, I didn't realize there was a discussion going on when I edited it. I haven't done much wiki editing before, so I hadn't realized I was screwing up when I was, well, screwing up.
Krid: It's ok, no harm done. ^^ TV Tropes is unlike other wikis in that it's not meant to be pure NPOV, but to be informative and entertaining. Your edit was bringing things more in line with Wikipedia-style writing, which makes it an honest and well-intentioned mistake.
Ununnilium: The Starship Troopers and I, Robot examples make me think there's a trope here. Studio makes new, derivative but putatively original movie; legal team notes it's a bit to close to an actual work; studio buys rights to said work, puts the name on the movie, and adds superficial elements to make it seem like it was an adaptation all along.
- The Fallout series is being revived with an upcoming entry from the makers of The Elder Scrolls that is regarded as very ominous by hardcore Fallout fans. Although Bethsda Softworks have demonstrated a willingness to discard core elements of the Fallout design in favour of gameplay elements from their earlier games, it may be too early to say whether this will become the next poster child for this phenomenon.
Nezumi: Okay, could someone tell me what these supposed core elements they're dropping are? The only thing current previews indicate they're seriously dropping is it being isometric and turn-based. And I could certainly see how you could consider that a core element of the game... if you were a drooling, subhuman cretin. It's entirely trivial to the game, and they seem to be keeping the tone and atmosphere, as well as more iconic gameplay elements, such as the SPECIAL system and called shots. They're even throwing an AP system into their real-time game, specifically to appease fans who want it to be more like the first two. I hate being a fan of Fallout, because I'm one of about 3 in the world that aren't subject to among the most horrifyingly intense Fan Dumb in the world.
Seven Seals: That entire entry is highly dubious, and I'm condensing it to the bare essentials. Most fans don't like Brotherhood of Steel and Dark Alliance, that much is true, but the rest is just uninformed ranting. I know this ain't Wikipedia, but for one thing, claiming that Throne of Bhaal was ever intended to be a full-blown third installment is poppycock. There was a (never announced) BG 3 which was cancelled due to licensing issues, but To B was always intended as the expansion to BG 2.
What's even more galling is attributing the disappearance of Black Isle Studios to games made by different developers. If you've got some inside scoop on the cash flow of Interplay, by all means enlighten us, but otherwise it's just your classic fanboy rant about how the games you wanted to see didn't get made, and how the other games you didn't want to see were to blame for that.
And if you want to bash Bethesda for all the things that are wrong about Fallout 3: how about waiting until it's actually out? Sheesh.
Andyroid: Thank you, Seven Seals! Like I said earlier, that anti-Interplay rant has been bugging the hell out of me.
INH: I took this out:
- Back in the original Dark Forces game, your character is shown single-handedly stealing the blueprints for the Death Star. This openly defies the fact that Star Wars itself makes it pretty clear that it was Bothan spies (plural) who stole the plans and delivered them to the Rebel Alliance, at a heavy price to themselves.
Um, Bothan spies stole the plans for the second Death Star. The plans in the game were for the first Death Star.
Nezumi: That's what I thought, but I'd heard it mentioned so many times that I wasn't sure. x.x;
Willy Four Eyes: I'm tempted to edit down a huge chunk of the entry on Negima, because parts of it sound like they belong under Merchandise-Driven. Of course, I wouldn't be able to verify any of it, since I haven't seen or read anything related to the Negiverse (pardon the pun). Any ideas? Suggestions?
Ununnilium: Taking this out, first of all because it's long, rambling, and unclear, and second, because it seems to just be a way for the writer to bash what they didn't like about the Negima anime.
- The shonen manga Mahou Sensei Negima is about Negi Springfield, a young boy wizard, who is searching for his father the legendary warrior Nagi Springfield better known as the Thousand Master. It just so happens that his quest includes teaching 31 female students. It contains a unique combination of Hanyou, an implied Schoolgirl Lesbians who is also a swordswoman, a Ninja, and several other magic users. Due to Executive Meddling the two anime series are about selling about 10 different versions of several mediocre songs, sung by several people who need singing lessons. They try to have a plot but the first was a badly stripped down version of the manga's plot that removes several important characters and doesn't even advance the plot much. It then quickly drops the main story just so they can include all 31 students in cute outfits. The second series tried a new plotline but it was mostly boring and didn't have the drama of Negi trying to find his father or save his village. The new Live-Action Adaptation promises more of the same. When it was first announced the main character wasn't announced, only the 31 female students. Some of which are played by actresses in their 20's. Hopefully these can sing.
Charred Knight: I rewrote it completely, and simply wrote about the parts that where most criticized by the fandom. The main complaint is that they replaced the main plot with mostly fluff hence the comment about the cast herd.
Willy Four Eyes: Okay. That makes a lot more sense, and is much easier to digest. Thanks.
Bob: I removed the I Am Not Making This Up from the Catwoman example because, unfortunately, a movie based on a comic book suffering severe Adaptation Decay is far to plausible to be a
Tabby: Every time I see this trope's title, I hear River whimpering, "They just lay down!" I don't know why.
SynjoDeonecros: Question: is the guy who pointed out the "Knuckles is a mole" thing was a mistranslation in the Sonic the Hedgehog OAV example the same guy who brazenly stated "No, you do the research! "Knuckles was a mole" was a mistranslation!" (or something to that effect) on the So Bad Its Horrible Sonic OAV example? If so, you made your damn point. Stop bugging me about it, because I don't care; the OAV was released in Japan in 1996, two years after Sonic 3 was made, and the American and Europe version was released three years after that in 1999, so there should be no excuse for why they mistranslated Knuckles as being a mole.
Ericho: For the record, no. It was me who put it in TheyJustDidntCare, and someone else put it in SoBadItsHorrible before.
TTD: Cutting some of the fat off the His Dark Materials examples as it's beginning to look a lot like Thread Mode:
- Another troper heard the mother's line as, "we'll get your Daemon back." That isn't any better at all, mind you, but it's worth noting.
- Is it really surprising that the boy's mother didn't say "Sorry son, but they've stolen your soul and now you're going to waste away and die, sucks to be you"?. This troper didn't find the concept of a mother lying to her traumatised child to make him feel better to be a Wall Banger at all.
Err, the mother wasn't there in the original novel. The "cutting" happened to a completely random character who was briefly introduced in an early chapter; we never knew what became of him until this scene. And his mom was a neglectful bitch who didn't give a shit about the kid anyway. Basically, this is an extremely dark series. What a great candidate for the next Harry Potter franchise, eh?
Seven Seals: While I absolutely adore Yahtzee (that rambunctious stallion) there's such a thing as overdosing on quotes, and I think this one just doesn't fit:
When you consider that the original Turok games were about a time-traveling Red Indian, this new installment has had to really work hard to rip off Aliens. They had to lock the established setting and storyline in a wardrobe and throw it off a cliff. They've approached ripping off Aliens with the same determination that most developers would approach making a game that's actually good, and that's sort of admirable, I guess, in a retarded kind of way.
I don't think Yahtzee's suggesting that this Turok game should have been about the time-traveling Red Indian again do to the series justice (or indeed that anyone would), he's just pointing out that the Alien ripoff plot we do get is incredibly uninspired. An important criticism, but not exactly what this trope is about. It's not like there were hordes of previous Turok fans out there... Unless I'm greatly offending an enormous fanbase here.
Justin Cognito: I'd argue that Yahtzee is talking about this trope. There's an established backstory for Turok, set up in a comic series that dates back to the '50s and four other video games. The creators of the new game thought that the only elements they'd keep in would be a Native American with "Turok" somewhere in his name and dinosaurs, and then rip the rest wholesale from Aliens and Gears of War.
Still, yeah. It's kind of a quote overdose, so I think I'll leave it out.
TTD: Speaking of quotes, I think this one fits "They Changedit Now It Sucks" much better:
"At last, the movie's in the can, and fans can't wait to peek
So they can jump online and post a withering critique
For every detail overlooked, they'll howl and curse and shriek
Well we don't care we got it wrong, so shut your pieholes, geeks!"
Crazyrabbits: Removed this example:
- Another comic book adaptation which isn't even out yet, Wanted, seems to have taken a nihilistic and darkly hilarious super-villain tale and turned it into a heroic vigilante story. The casting alone is pretty horrendous - Angelina Jolie plays a love interest character who was an African-American Catwoman homage/rip-off in the comic (ironically, Halle Berry would have been a better casting choice) and Morgan Freeman plays The Obi-Wan, who was a 4 1/2 foot tall, white, Mad Scientist pastiche in the comic. All of the comic-book elements involving super-powers and crazy costumes seem to have been removed. This troper plans to protest outside of his local theater, and urges others to do so as well.
Wait until the movie comes out before you make snap judgements. Films have changed the ethnicity of main or supporting characters before (for example, Freeman played the character Red in The Shawshank Redemption, when he was a white man in the novel). You're basing your entire example on three or four minutes of footage. Trailers seem to make bold claims all the time. Whether or not the movie follows through on your claim can be decided when the film comes out.
Gambrinus: I took the following off because, well, I just don't see how it relates to this trope at all. Misplaced from Did Not Do The Research?
- The use of the word "Dragoon" in video games to mean a dragon knight has become extremely common, probably started by Final Fantasy. In fact, a dragoon is a foot soldier who travels mounted. The actual origin of the name is probably from a gun called a "dragon carbine" because it produced flame when fired.
- This editor has had several discussions with people that insist that "everyone knows" dragoons are some kind of half-dragon knight things, and that they must be from real-world mythology.
- This was parodied in the webcomic Knights of the Old Coding, where Kain (from Final Fantasy IV) challenged Simon Belmont. Simon refused to fight Kain, because a Dragoon is supposed to ride a horse, and he claimed it would be honorless to defeat a warrior who did not have his proper tools. Kain agrees to go find a horse before fighting Simon, but once he's far enough away, he realizes that — as a Final Fantasy character — he has no idea what a horse is. (Overland transportation in Final Fantasy is done on giant flightless birds.)
Gambrinus: And along the same lines, I also removed:
- Historical Mel Gibson vehicles are prone to this, sometimes (The Patriot) to the point of actually being offensive. Braveheart, while a decent film on its own merit, cares so little it makes historians cry.
Heliomance: Why does this trope exist? So far as I can see, it is entirely covered by three tropes: Adaptation Decay, Dis Continuity, and Complaining About Shows You Dont Like.
Gambrinus: I think there's a place for this trope, particularly in the realm of obvious cash-ins, but the examples are a mess. I think liberal pruning is probably in order.
Citizen: This page is too hefty to be simply cut without an equally hefty internet fight.
Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: I agree with Citizen here.... It's not Dis Continuity. This troper thinks of it, ideally, as severe Adaptation Decay done with little reason and without true pragmatic justification. This troper believes that, on occasion, the extreme end of a trope can qualify as its own trope.
That Other 1 Dude: Isn't the whole of point of Adaptation Decay that it's without reason? Anyway, despite what you might think, we're suppose to not have articles that are The Same But More, especially when practically every examples is on both pages.
Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: No, it's possible to have Adaptation Decay with an excuse. California Doubling, Americanitis, Bowlderization: we may hate them, we may think them destructive, but sometimes (until we can enlighten the executives) things like that are necessary to get an adaptation at all. If the choice is Bowlderization or NC-17, for instance... (And who airs subtitled series?) This trope should be for when the Executive Meddling is truly and especially senseless.
That Other 1 Dude: Now it's about Executive Meddling? Looking at it now, it appears to refer to when anyone fails to get anything right. It's basically They Changed It, Now It Sucks! when people actually think it sucks. The freakin' page image is about getting the number of Chevron's on a Stargate wrong. It's not even limited (someone listed the fourth season of Yu-Gi-Oh GX), and generally means "someone doing anything wrong with anything without an excuse", which is not a trope!
Krid: I actually intended this to only be for situations where the studio had basically EVERY chance to get things right, and proceeded to ignore the readily available help and royally cock-up in the process. By way of example: Every once in awhile an author will complain that they never should have given somebody permission to turn their book into a movie. Or, more visibly, Uwe Boll keeps making movies. Or the Mario Brothers movie. It's not about screwing up, it's not about executive meddling, it's not supposed to be about Fan Dumb or They Changed It, Now It Sucks!... It's supposed to be about those times when the studio/developer/whatever snubs the fans who are eager to help them for the sake of improving the final work and the original authors and the source material in question, and produces a work which is missing either one or more vital elements to the original, or gets the vast majority of the details wrong for changes that serve no purpose. It's not about screwing up, it's about outright and neglectful apathy. Take Fallout 3, for example. Bethesda has been listening to the player base and taking their comments to heart. In an effort to appease the oldskool players, they added an option to switch to turn-based combat and some new camera options. Even if it turns out poorly they've still clearly shown that they DO care about trying to make the players happy, and so I intend to keep that game out of this article. Now, compare that to Shadowrun - not only is it tossing the vast majority of the setting and key elements out the window, but it's also a fairly mediocre game to begin with. I've seen it on sale for $4.99USD, and it still wasn't selling. It's quite clear that They Just Didn't Care. TL;DR: Apathy and neglect are key factors here.
Prfnoff: Moved the Crystalis example to Porting Disaster, and cut this quote (later: moved the quote to What Could Have Been)
Lale: How is it related to What Could Have Been?
Cassius335: Tempted to stick Ben 10 Alien Force here, but that's not only same medium, it's (I think) same people making it. And yet, a lot of things have been changed (Ben's roster, Gwen's biology, Kevin in general) for no good reason and there seems to be a double case of Aborted Arc replaced with Naruto Filler Hell. Is there a different trope I should be thinking of?
Charred Knight: Wallbanger?
Charred Knight: This trope is for Adaptation Decay that so great that its clear that they didn't give a shit about the original version. So I am deleting a bunch of examples that just don't fit
This is the trope on bad ports, I forgot its actual title Guitar Hero III's Playstation 2 and Wii ports are thought to be subject to this. The Wii version lacked several effects which would show when Star Power was activated, such as a guitar-mounted flamethrower actually spewing flames instead of the guitarist just flailing his instrument around like a maniac, that also goes for the PS 2 port, which is considered to be the least graphically pleasing game in the series yet, despite the first game originally being released on the same console.
This is So Bad Its Horrible
- A lot of Sonic's fans view his 2006 X Box 360/Play Station 3 game with much distaste; you know Sega's growing desperate when they kill off their own mascot in a Disney Death, and make him fall in love with a human woman just to get some shocks out of the storyline...
- Where it really shows that They Just Didnt Care, however, is in the loading times. There are usually a few mini-missions available, but trying to do them is a trying experience. The basic pattern goes like this: Start in the hub, talk to a person, person explains their mission, choose to do their mission, loading screen, the person restates what the mission is, loading screen, the mission starts, the mission ends, your performance is reviewed, loading screen, the person congratulates you, loading screen, return to the hub. That's four loading screens each weighing in at between 10-30 seconds, which means that you can easily spend more time loading than actually completing missions. Considering that these mini-missions are handled only with text and contain no voice acting, it makes you wonder why they didn't just load all the dialog in the game into memory. This isn't even touching on the game's mid-cutscene loading screens, or needing to load after you beat any boss but before that boss's death animation. Since Sega didn't have these kinds of problems with the same kind of game when it was on the Dreamcast, one has to wonder why they even bothered releasing an Obvious Beta.
- Medieval II: Total War, a game that prides itself on historical authenticity, contains numerous flaws that go under Rule Of Cool, such as Scot troops having kilts. However, the designers' focus on certain areas of medieval Europe can be seen in them putting Helsinki, the modern capital of Finland, as a castle located where the city is nowadays. For everyone those who do not see anything wrong in this, Suomenlinna, which this castle is based on, was founded in 1748. What's more, Helsinki is automatically guarded by a host of Viking Raiders. The only time vikings were in Finland was when they were trading or pillaging there.
- Although to be honest, these complains are usually seen as nitpicky when Rome : Total War had the Egyptians tooling around in chariots that historically had been obsolete for several hundred years, complete with pharaoh costumes ; celtic Head Hurlers ; flaming pigs as a regular unit ; and Praetorians were basically the backbone of any late game Roman legion. Oh, and there was a town called (I Am Not Making This Up) Domus dulcis domus too.
This is Rule of Cool
- The Roland Emmerich film 10,000 BC features woolly mammoths building the Great Pyramids. One way or another, that should tell you all you need to know about 10,000 BC.
- So, was Emmerich trying to make a film adaptation of The Way Things Work?
This is just an awful movie, and its name is expected
- Epic Movie, as its name suggests was supposed to be a parody of epic movies. I don't recall Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory being an epic movie, or Nacho Libre, or Borat.
This is Adaptation Pragmatic is it accurate? No, but it was quite good
- And Sonic the Hedgehog (Sat Am), and the Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog (Ao St H), as well as mentioned above in the Anime section, the Sonic OVA... actually come to think of it, not one single iteration of Sonic is anything like any other, though Sonic The Hedgehog (Archie Comics), is sort of stemmed from Sat Am. However, this is stemmed from the decision by Sega to localise the Sonic franchise as they saw fit for each of the main regions, leading to discrepencies in backstory from the word go. Don't ever ask anyone in the Sonic fanbase which is the main version, as even though the games were made first, the lack of story details within the games themselves causes some fans to argue that the actual story is told in the comics, with the games just being playable versions of such.
That Other 1 Dude: Look. No matter how people try to claim there is a real definition or purge the page, people will just come back and start posting the same crap. Everything is covered by tropes (sometimes more than one!) that are better defined and less prone to rant. I just went through three random examples and it included complaining about an adaptation which hasn't come out yet for inconsequential crap, 300 for being historically inaccurate (even though it's suppose to be an adaptation of a graphic novel and not history) including mispronouncing a name, and the Race Lift for the cast of the Live-Action Adaptation of Avatar The Last Airbender, which was otherwise so faithful to the series that it couldn't possibly fit in one movie.
fleb: Keep the page like The Un-Twist, definitely burninate every on-page example but don't Cut. It should be a last-resort turn of phrase, with some legitimate uses.
That Other 1 Dude: Yeah, I suppose all the red links this would make would be a pain in the ass to remove, and it'd be alright for something use in another article.
Bein Sane: There's nothing left to differentiate this from Adaptation Decay now, and to there it shall be redirected.
fleb: Sure there is; it's not just for adaptations. And is a bit more specific-slash-presumptuous about what the source of the flaws in the material are.
Charred Knight: Their is a good definition the problem is that people don't use it correctly. It has just become a place to bitch about crap, I mean it has bitching about a stuffed animal! Who cares!
Muninn: Seconding fleb's opiniong. Keep the page, cut examples.
Nezumi: I say we kill it. It's little more than an excuse to whine about adaptations/sequels/etc. you don't like. It creates a monstrous amount of red links, but in this case, even that's not a good enough reason to keep it.
Krid: I'm nixing the kill decision since the problem here isn't with the article, but that nobody has been bothering to take the time to edit the page to keep it from going feral. Sheesh, what do you people do when your yard is overgrown? Salt the earth and lay down concrete? Take a look at the portions I've edited and see if they're more to your tastes.
