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Blacknumber
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11:53:06 PM Jun 11th 2014
This is under "Stop Having Fun" Guys: "Admitting you play Casual Mode to "hardcore" FE fans is bound to start some trouble, even if you play it exactly as if it was Classic mode."

This sounds incredibly pointless.
madgodzulcan
06:53:38 AM Jun 12th 2014
You mean the act of playing casual mode as classic mode? I thought it was weird too. I suppose everything after some trouble should be deleted.
AzureSeas
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09:52:18 PM Apr 10th 2014
RE: This entry under Broken Base-

  • Really, the game as a whole. Some of the fanbase dislike it because it feels like a large step back in depth and story, while others enjoy the romance aspects and minmaxing.

As I said in the edit reason, there are plenty of people who think Awakening is an improvement over its predecessors gameplay-wise. In the interest of portraying the other side fairly, I propose the following-

  • The game as a whole. Some of the fanbase dislike it because it feels like a step back in depth and story with too much focus on romance and min-maxing, while others think the gameplay has improved with some new wrinkles to the strategy and the story and characters match that of its predecessors'.

How's that?
RangerJackWalker
11:32:36 AM Apr 11th 2014
That works.

I think the line should make mention of some fans criticizing the characters as well as making note of the bringing back of various features from previous games that some fans think have been improved this time.
AzureSeas
09:56:00 PM Apr 13th 2014
I think characters would be covered under story and previous features under improved gameplay. I want to keep this as succinct as I can. I'll see if there are any other comments before I send this out.
Monsund
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03:53:43 PM Mar 16th 2014
edited by 75.37.40.138
The controversy on Nowi and Nah being marriagable is mentioned on several gaming such as tinycartridge, Kaleo, and kotaku, as well as Lampshaded In Awkward Zombie.

Keep in mind, Unfortunate Implications just notes the controversy, its not trying to make the reader take a side.
Monsund
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07:35:31 PM Jan 7th 2014
I think the YMMV part takes a side too much and there's alot of Complaining about Complaining.

True, fans like that are annoying but they shouldn't be focused on so much.
helterskelter
01:34:39 AM Jan 9th 2014
I agree, but I honestly feel it's a bit of a losing battle until some of the popularity of the fandom dies down. Too many people in and out and making huge edits. I definitely agree that the biggest issue with this page is Complaining about Complaining.
Monsund
01:40:41 AM Jan 30th 2014
I decided to delete some of the most extreme of it.

New complaints about the fandom will have to be sourced.
helterskelter
08:23:04 PM Feb 2nd 2014
Mm...I agree something should be done, but I don't think unilaterally deciding they have to be without any discussion and without any basis in the rules is entirely justified. It's difficult to source things from fandom anyway, since you'll find "sources" of just about any opinion on the internet, and YMMV is about opinions.
SeptimusHeap
12:22:47 AM Feb 3rd 2014
Also, citations are not required for YMMV items. And complaining or no, YMMV tabs are for documenting opinions, so they should not just be deleted.
DancingNinian
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05:58:12 PM Nov 4th 2013
edited by 200.30.218.64
Uh, Helterskelter, PLEASE stop deleting anything denouncing the Sumia bashing in the YMMV section. It can be very easily seen less like a "clean-up" and more like you using clean up" as an excuse to push anti-Sumia bias on the YMMV page, then reacting... badly when others don't buy it.

Because really, whoa, you have deleted *almost every pro-Sumia comment/paragraph* there. That's a bit too much, to say it politely, and it reminds me of character/pairing haters who can't stand even seeing other people disagree with them.
helterskelter
11:01:48 PM Nov 4th 2013
No, I didn't delete every pro-Sumia comment, I deleted every "anti-anti"-Sumia comment. There's a big difference. Don't use YMMV pages to wage battles against fans you don't like, against opinions you don't like. If you'd like to address that element of fandom, please take a more neutral POV, as there are people on the wiki who share those negative viewpoints (and no, I'm not one of them), and you'll end up with a messy, contradictory, and edit warring page about it.

The problem with the page is that a large part of it is—was—devoted entirely to protecting Sumia. I don't really care about her character one way or the other. However, the state of this YMMV is absolutely appalling.

Which is kind of why the comments that reference anti-Sumia stayed—because there's a stronger contingent of pro-Sumia fans, they were correctly neutralized either from the get-go or later by a fan to reference the state of fandom and opinion without being angrily biased against her.

I'll also point out that YMMV tends to aggregate more negative tropes than positive ones, so you will overall see more negative tropes associated with characters you like than positive ones.
Emilnier
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04:55:37 PM Sep 16th 2013
Uh, on Ensemble Darkhorse, the fourth bullet was changed to Owain. Wasn't it originally Inigo?
lu127
moderator
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02:05:14 AM Jul 18th 2013
Alright, looks like we have an Edit War over this:

  • Irony: Despite all the hate for the pairing, Chrom/Sumia is actually the best pairing for Lucina out of the non-Avatar ones, with Chrom/Olivia a close second. This is because of Sumia!Lucina's ridiculous skillpool, having skills and classes that allow for many different builds, allowing her to fill just about any spot in the army that you need, whether it be a physical attacker, a magic user, a support unit, or a tanky unit, or more than one role, and being more likely to start with good stats for her level in comparison to Olivia!Lucina, who makes for one of the better physical attackers and nothing more, and will likely have worse bases than anyone else if you didn't grind Olivia.

Settle it here, please.
Folt
12:31:14 PM Jul 18th 2013
I spoke with the guy who deleted it. He believes Olivia!Sumia is better mostly because of Apotheosis, ignoring that there's other stuff, including postgame stuff, besides Apotheosis in the game. The entry was not just for Apotheosis, and it's not like Sumia!Lucina's skillpool won't allow her to kick ass there anyways.
Folt
12:31:15 PM Jul 18th 2013
I spoke with the guy who deleted it. He believes Olivia!Sumia is better mostly because of Apotheosis, ignoring that there's other stuff, including postgame stuff, besides Apotheosis in the game. The entry was not just for Apotheosis, and it's not like Sumia!Lucina's skillpool won't allow her to kick ass there anyways.
JSND
11:36:54 PM Jul 20th 2013
Its EXTREMELY easy to kick ass in Apotheosis, so thats not saying much

It should be noted that Olivia Dance Abuse allow Sumia!Lucina to get outdone by Olivia!Lucina, even more so with Second Seals, although by how much LAREGELY depend on how much of unit that you used in the team.
Folt
04:12:08 AM Jul 21st 2013
Apotheosis can be done with non-optimized children anyways, so it's not like that means much.
Folt
04:12:09 AM Jul 21st 2013
Apotheosis can be done with non-optimized children anyways, so it's not like that means much.
Raxis
10:40:41 AM Jul 30th 2013
Whether or not Olivia is a better mom for Lucina or not is, to this day, a debated issue. I don't feel the claim that Sumia is a better should be made as an absolute fact, especially not to the extremely gushy extent that it's being argued.
helterskelter
10:51:41 PM Oct 31st 2013
I'm doing a clean-up, and I'll leave it because it's up here, but honestly, how is this irony. I'm not contesting her role as mother to Lucina, I'm contesting the idea that this has anything to do with irony. Not everyone plays for stats. Not to mention, the example even says that there's one other pairing that's better—MU.
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