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ahanix1989
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03:20:16 PM Nov 8th 2013
This episode confirms that they have cutie marks on both sides? What about Rarity's overhead shot in Suited for Success back in the first season?
anrwlias
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10:25:18 AM Jun 26th 2012
What's up with the edit war entry at the bottom of the page?
TARINunit9
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04:34:46 AM Jan 21st 2012
Question: does Spike's interruptions of Twilight's imagine spots qualify as a full 4th wall break? I'm pretty sure it only qualifies as Painting, not Breaking, but I'm not sure enough to change the article yet
clam15
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03:51:27 PM Nov 3rd 2011
Do you think it's about time we gave this episode its own nightmare fuel page?
Meneth
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02:39:30 PM Oct 19th 2011
edited by Meneth
I think there's a plot hole: In Elements of Harmony, Princess Celestia doesn't specify that Twilight has to send her letters every week.
"She must report to me her findings, from her new home in Ponyville!"
SchizoTechnician
02:40:22 PM Oct 19th 2011
You underestimate Twilight's neuroses.
KendraKirai
11:34:09 AM Nov 26th 2011
Yep, Twilight's "Every WEEK" deadline seems to have been entirely self-imposed. For being so literal-minded and by-the-book-y, she took it much more seriously than one would think.
HeinousActsZX
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07:14:33 PM Oct 17th 2011
I request that we remove the link to the Molestia picture in the Shout-out part. I don't think it's a Shout-Out, and I don't think it's the kind of thing we want to link to anyway.
locuas
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11:35:39 AM Oct 17th 2011
edited by locuas
how about something like "Twilight has Serious OCD" as laconic?
Calnos
04:58:38 PM Oct 17th 2011
I like "Twilight snaps: The Episode" myself.
Scalondragon
12:32:47 AM Feb 19th 2012
Given she and the others just fought Discord in a two-parter before this, she could have post-traumatic stress disorder on top of her OCD as well. No lessons today? What if this was a set-up for a bigger thing to come down the pike later? Or a lull that might make Celestia think all was well in Ponyville enough to call Twilight home for good?

Is Twilight having a "Blue Screen of Death" kind of thing?

(Yeah, I normally shouldn't be with this, but I have a young niece, Avvie— and she often asks Uncle to help her try to understand why her favorite pony was like this or that in the episodes she streams with her parents.)

The others have a better snapback than Twilight, so when they realize their friend had it much worse than they were willing to believe it, it leads to them realize they had 5 Idiot Balls and possibly 5 Villain Balls for not caring about their friend on that slippery slope. It's only when they admit they failed her and beg for Celestia not to take Twlight from them that Celestia lets them help with the load she'd initially put on Twilight alone.
Godzillawolf
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03:25:11 PM Oct 16th 2011
Am I the only one who thinks this page's picture would do better as the pic for the Nightmare Fuel page? Just saying it's a LOT scarier than freaked out Pinkie Pie.
HeinousActsZX
05:21:07 PM Oct 16th 2011
Yeah, I mean, the Pinkie picture is kinda funny. Twilight, well, she scared the kids I was babysittin'.
Calnos
05:30:10 PM Oct 16th 2011
Yeah...could we have picked a more disturbing image?
VVK
07:07:30 AM Oct 17th 2011
Well, at least the scene in this episode isn't as disturbing. Pinkie's breakdown was masterful, this isn't nearly as well thought out.
StyxD
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03:19:10 PM Oct 16th 2011
edited by StyxD
Does anyone else think that the Smarty Pants doll was meant to be a Shout-Out (Shout In?) to the MLP merchandise? You know, with this "She comes with her own notebook and quill for when you want to pretend she's doing her homework!" Also, since Big Macintosh snatches it when no one is looking (ahem).

EDIT: Ok, seems like someone found a suitable trope.
VVK
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01:35:22 PM Oct 16th 2011
edited by VVK
Okay, something else than pointing out incorrect use for once... Since I see there are often/sometimes separate entries for Continuity Nod and Call Back on these episode pages, can someone here tell me what the difference is between the two? As far as I can see, there isn't any, except for the Continuity Nod page incorrectly implying Call Back has to drive plot development.
Calnos
05:29:37 PM Oct 16th 2011
Well, going with the Laconic versions...

Continuity Nod: A reference to a previous installment in one work's continuity.

Call Back: A Shout-Out to previous episodes in a series.

...Yeah, I'm confused too.
rjung
09:11:14 AM Oct 19th 2011
Trope Repair Shop time!
locuas
08:30:56 PM Oct 21st 2011
i think a continuity Nod is a reference, meanwhile a Call Back is more like a joke.
VVK
03:39:14 PM Oct 23rd 2011
edited by VVK
That would make Call Back a subtrope, but it's not really supported by the trope description(s), and also it would be confusing and vague even if it was meant that way.
VVK
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01:20:00 PM Oct 16th 2011
How does Only Sane Man apply? Most of the characters just aren't following most of the action, and the other ponies certainly notice Twilight's acting odd (which is the closest thing to a crazy thing going on as required in the trope definition), even if they don't handle it right.

And while we're at it, Ungrateful Bastard? Twilight was grateful at the end. And Spike's rant was just silly boasting.

I understand these may be someone's reactions, but the question is whether the tropes apply, objectively and by their stated definitions, and the answer to that is "no" as far as I can see.
HeinousActsZX
02:50:59 PM Oct 16th 2011
I agree. Twilight was very happy that Spike did what he did.
VVK
12:16:29 AM Oct 19th 2011
To be more explicit: Only Sane Man says "something absolutely insane is going on, but only one person notices (or cares)." There is no dynamic here of everyone else being oblivious and only one character seeing what's going on. The other ponies do think Twilight is being crazy even if they don't take it seriously enough.
Scalondragon
12:17:19 AM Feb 19th 2012
Could it be that when it snowballs that eventually their "isolation" of Twilight by dismissing her concerns only makes them realize their friend on a verge of a nervous breakdown is about to be forced by the Princess to be recalled to Canterlot for good? And they have a semi-Heel Realization as they should have been a little more caring about Twilight's emotional implosion?

It leads the others sans Spike (who was afraid Twilight might do something to hurt herself in her hyper-anxiety state and brought Celestia to try to talk some sense to Twilight since only SHE might be able to calm the pony then) to admit their "failing" as friends to embrace her concerns, and begging Celestia to let Twilight stay with them.

For a darker take, there was one episode of "Teen Titans," "Haunted," where Robin thought he was fighting a supposedly dead Slade in darkness nobody else could see. Robin was getting wounded and argued he couldn't be self-inducing this. It was only when Raven went into Robin's mind and indeed saw Slade fighting him that they realize that Slade brought the fight to where Robin couldn't call on the other Titans: to a place where only Robin could sense him even if from beyond the Dead. The stress from having to fight Slade would kill Robin—but it seems Slade vanishes when a light comes on. When Slade charges for a killing blow, Robin turns on a light—and Slade vanishes for good. It turns out it was part of a Batman Gambit where one of Slade's Masks had chemicals that made Robin hallucinate when there was no light, but the sinister addition? The chemicals were activated by someone outside the Tower...

Likewise, the expectations of herself imposed by Twilight might be also this being that is taking a toll on her mind, and only when her friends are willing to do anything to keep Twilight with them despite their previous dismissal of a not-so-trivial-for-Twilight concern is THAT being able to be deal with for good.
Scalondragon
06:44:59 AM Feb 19th 2012
When Twilight reveals she might because of all this be sent back to Canterlot for good, the other Mane Cast could have a "My God Why Didn't We See it was THIS BAD?!?" moment vs. just a plain "My God What Have We Done?" It wasn't just that Twilight was worried over what they thought was nothing, but that worry brought Princess Celestia over. Meaning it was a LOT worse than they wanted to have believed—and "With Friends Like Us, Did Twilight Need Enemies this time" becomes a real fear of their own. By forcing her to go it alone, could it have been bad as when Discord turned them all against Twilight just one episode earlier? Or worse, given Twilight's on the verge of a nervous breakdown?
VVK
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12:53:48 PM Oct 16th 2011
Took a Level in Badass is when a character (it also says a weak one) has permanently become more Bad Ass. It keeps appearing (I don't know if by a single editor) in the context of this show to describe single moments.

Anywho, I'm going to remove it from this episode as soon as I can. Fluttershy has not become able to beat up bears, she's actually just doing her usual thing, and Rainbow Dash was already the way she is, even if she hasn't done this particular trick before. Besides, this trope would be something hard to judge from a single episode. But very likely, it's not being meant the way it's supposed to be used.
VVK
02:20:10 PM Oct 16th 2011
Wait, actually Twilight thinks Fluttershy has done this...
EpikuriousOranj
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11:09:07 AM Oct 16th 2011
Looks more like a (rather violent...) sort of massage than chiropractic to me: FS specifically refers to tension in the bear's (Harry's?) shoulder, and chiropractic really shouldn't touch the neck (god, that twist.) Fairly YMMV, I guess.
Robotech_Master
11:10:37 PM Oct 19th 2011
edited by Robotech_Master
Um, chiropractic is all about the neck, and the spine. In fact, one chiropractor I went to only believed in manipulating the neck area, feeling that anything further down would be influenced by those manipulations of the neck.

The chiropractor I visit now actually does neck twists like that (allowing for cartoonish exaggeration in the show of course) on me—taking hold of my head and giving a sharp twist until I feel a *pop* as the bones adopt a new position. A little disturbing to be on the receiving end, but it's amazing how much tension and pain it relieves.
EpikuriousOranj
03:06:50 PM Nov 12th 2011
edited by EpikuriousOranj
Spine: sure. Neck: personally I wouldn't, given Simon Singh and Edzard Ernst's advice as reported at http://skepdic.com/chiro.html. The Jarvis quote there is interesting too, regarding disagreements which end is supposed to be thrown around(!) Looks like neck manipulations have the nastiest risks associated with them: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chirostroke.html

But anyway. Ponies! Far nicer than risky vitalistic pseudosciency stuff. I need to do some music figuring out. (Oh but, oh Celestia! *Horrible* headcanon now: Fluttershy's absence from the (at least) 3 episodes following can be explained by her arrest and banishment for putting Harry the Bear in a wheelchair... nooo! Must think nice, pastel thoughts.)
BornIn1142
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06:47:45 AM Oct 16th 2011
Is Mrs. Cake mentioning a baker's dozen really not a pun? She's a baker. Using that term to describe thirteen units of something gives it a double meaning, doesn't it?

If anything, I wonder if it's stealthy enough to be a Stealth Pun.
EpikuriousOranj
11:14:34 AM Oct 16th 2011
Definitely not a pun, IMO. It's exactly the meaning of a baker's dozen, and even explained within the show.
DracoDei
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05:18:14 PM Oct 15th 2011
Not sure if talking to other people(rather than repeating it to yourself) and only asking each of them once (well, once in the exact same words), counts as a "Madness Mantra". If I am correct then both the main trope listing on this page, and the linking in the caption need to be changed.
DracoDei
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01:09:56 PM Oct 15th 2011
"Herd Hitting Attack" seems barely applicable, especially since everyone in the pile are mutual enemies at that point. Seems like there should be something more specific for bursting out of a pile of foes... maybe I should hunt down the "You know that thing where?"
DracoDei
01:24:12 PM Oct 15th 2011
Ok, found it... "Dog-Pile of Doom"... which I now notice is already on the page... right...
Nevix
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09:49:32 AM Oct 15th 2011
The page is checked out right now, so I'm adding a note here that there's a third continuity nod.

In season 1, Applejack mentions that she wants to fix up the barn because of how run down it is. Apparently, she decided to just rebuild from scratch instead.

Also, is there a trope for Big Macintosh taking the Smartypants doll at the end?
JapaneseTeeth
09:57:50 AM Oct 15th 2011
DracoDei
01:26:59 PM Oct 15th 2011
Well, it looked smaller than the main barn, which was skeletonized by parasprites in "Swarm of the Century". I suppose they could have done cheap "make do" repairs at that time if they were still similarly short of money, and/or not wanting to put good boards on bad structural members(and couldn't afford new structural members).
DracoDei
01:31:01 PM Oct 15th 2011
Also, while it IS a continuity nod, I am not sure that Rainbow Dash actually Sonic Rainboomed the barn. The ring shaped burst is similar/identical, but it happens at the BOTTOM, rather than higher up. So if she Rainboomed, she only broke the sound-barrier AFTER she had passed through the roof of the barn.
Otakukun
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09:06:46 AM Oct 15th 2011
New opening Yay!!!!!
CharginChuck
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08:07:29 AM Oct 15th 2011
So, Twilight attempting to create a problem just so she can be the one to solve it-do we have something for this? The closest thing I can find is Monster Protection Racket, or possibly False Flag Operation, but those don't really fit.
DracoDei
02:14:12 PM Oct 15th 2011
edited by DracoDei
If so, then it might also need to be added to the recap for The Best Night Ever for Rainbow Dash's later attempts to re-attract the attention of the Wonderbolts.
HeinousActsZX
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08:06:36 AM Oct 15th 2011
Could Twilight be considered to be carrying the Idiot Ball? I don't think so, because she's been shown to overeact before, but I thought I'd at least bring it up.
CharginChuck
08:10:21 AM Oct 15th 2011
Can individual episodes have their own YMMV pages? Because that would probably be the place for this one.
HeinousActsZX
08:14:46 AM Oct 15th 2011
I was under the impression that YMMV tropes were allowed on Recap pages.
JapaneseTeeth
09:57:25 AM Oct 15th 2011
I really think it's within Twilight's character to horribly overreact to something like this. If there is an Idiot Ball, it's intentional; Spike even points out that Twilight is massively overreacting.
DracoDei
01:11:21 PM Oct 15th 2011
YMMV exist on several of the episode pages for this show. Don't know if it "acceptable" or not, but it has been around long enough I would THINK someone would have fixed it by now if it weren't.
VVK
03:50:50 AM Oct 17th 2011
It's flanderization, or rather, hopefully the merely temporary counterpart to that trope. So I think it counts for Idiot Ball as well. It doesn't just follow naturally from what has gone on before.
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